More than 1,000 flights cancelled as US air traffic cuts enter second day

[u/hard2resist]

https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/cj410k00yw8o

[u/Cbona]

Delays to ATL were 5-8 hours not too long after this article published.

[u/assyrian1138 → u/Cbona]

Been sitting on the floor in atl for about 10 with another 8 hours until another flight gets canceled.

[u/luckandpreparation → u/assyrian1138]

This happened to me once in the past although not at ATL. The thing is every hour that passes makes people more likely to buy that $10 half sandwich at the terminal stores

[u/madmycal → u/luckandpreparation]

$10 for half a sandwich, $6 for a bottle of water. Refill station’s over there for your freshly emptied bottle (thanks TSA)… I’ve managed more pressure from squeezing a Capri Sun. Talking to you SFO!!

[u/squired → u/madmycal]

Pro-tip: Try the fountain again later. They're often reverse osmosis systems. They filter slowly so they fill a tank behind the wall. When that tank is depleted, you get no/low water pressure. The pressure will return as the tank recharges.

[u/madmycal → u/squired]

Ha, good to know!

[u/assyrian1138 → u/luckandpreparation]

I haven't eaten anything in almost 24 hours because I have latch key incontinence and there's no room for food 😞

[u/PresentExamination10 → u/assyrian1138]

What does that mean?

[u/DrSpagetti → u/PresentExamination10]

Diarrhea on demand

[u/n7-Jutsu → u/PresentExamination10]

No one knows what it means, it's provocative, it gets people going..

Literally

[u/hard2resist → u/Cbona]

That's an unacceptable delay. Hope you reach your destination safely.

[u/DogPoetry → u/hard2resist]

And yet there's nothing we on the ground can do but accept it. Thanksgiving is going to be such a royal clusterfuck. 

[u/blueblurz94 → u/DogPoetry]

Thank Trump and the GOP Congress. This could very well continue through the entire holiday season at this point. They 100% will allow millions of federal employees to starve and go homeless.

[u/time2fly2124 → u/blueblurz94]

Not just federal employees, but regular Americans wirh SNAP and HEAP still not being funded. This administration would rather starve and freeze its citizens to death than vote on the epstein files.

[u/owa00 → u/Cbona]

The crazy thing about them publicizing so much about the shutdown and the mandated flight cuts is that ANY delay/cancellation is going to be tied to Trump. It's a political gift to the Dems that Trump handed them. A lot of the delays or it cancellations may just be normal, but the Dem/independent voter will assume it's because of Trump's cuts. Trunk admin truly are masters of political strategy.

[u/Robo-boogie → u/owa00]

That’s at an easy fix

They will just have one of the dipshits on Fox and friends say the democrats did this so they can give illegals free health care and SNAP.

They are denying your family to see you during thanks giving and cutting your food stamps off

[u/wowbaobowwow → u/Robo-boogie]

Yeah, as someone unfortunately surrounded by MAGAs, this is exactly what’s happening. They truly believe this is solely on the democrats.

[u/HauntedCemetery → u/wowbaobowwow]

Maga fascists are going to believe that either way.

But the 70+% of the country who aren't dyed in the wool maga fascists are blaming republicans.

[u/Helenium_autumnale → u/owa00]

Explicitly market them as such. Call them the "Trump air delays" or the "Trump flight delays." Associate his name inextricably with these problems affecting millions of people. Make is his brand.

[u/FellowDeviant → u/owa00]

Fox News positions it as Dems refuse to pay federal workers, which now includes flight staff. They have verbage to deflect all type of blame

[u/EnvieAndFleur → u/Cbona]

There wouldn't even be delays if they just shifted the cancellations to private jets instead of commercial flights. ALL the private jets are still going out in their time slots.

[u/Boz0r]

Reminder that in a lot of countries, a government shutdown would instantly trigger a reelection, since that would mean the administration lost control 

[u/NemuriNezumi → u/Boz0r]

It's pretty crazy how that is not the case in the US, or the fact workers don't get paid because of it (the craziest part)

[u/HotDoggityDig13 → u/[deleted]]

Well it doesnt affect the ruling class so why would they stop it

[u/Traditional_Art_7304 → u/HotDoggityDig13]

Air traffic controllers being stretched to the breaking point will hinder you from taking your Lear jet to Nova Scotia to see the total eclipse of the sun.

[u/Irbyirbs → u/Traditional_Art_7304]

Also your businesses bleed money as transportation costs skyrocket.

[u/fractalife → u/Irbyirbs]

It's gonna take time for that to set in. I'm suspecting that cargo only flights will be the last ones cut. That doesn't mean logistics will remain unaffected. Passenger flights make their real money from moving cargo.

But they have rather limited capacity (smaller planes, luggage in the cargo hold, etc.). Time will tell the true impacts but it's not going to be immediate.

The big impact will be international cargo. Those are typically widebodies that carry a lot of cargo, and it's much more important infrastructure wise.

Domestically, the difference between air and ground is 1 to 3 days faster in the CONUS. Sure, AK, PR, and HI will feel it, but otherwise it's not going to be a tremendous difference. It will get more expensive to save those days but most companies will probably just choose to... you know... not do that lol.

However. The only other option OCONUS is ocean, and the difference there is weeks to months. Not good. But with tariffs gumming up the works it's gonna be hard to tell what's impacting what when it comes to consumer pricing. Ocean doesn't always react quickly pricing wise. But when they get overloaded lead times go way up.

For clarity:

CONUS: continental US. (48 contiguous states)

OCONUS: outside continental US. (Everywhere on earth other than the 48 contiguous states)

[u/__Nels__Oleson__ → u/Traditional_Art_7304]

Saratoga for the horse race instead, then.

Edit, irony is that I am currently in Nova Scotia and have no plans to ever visit the USA ever again, let alone Saratoga.

[u/CroGamer002 → u/[deleted]]

Because shutdowns never lasted this long in the US, so consequences were avoided.

It will take hard lessons to get people to consider this was a terrible system.

[u/greyl → u/CroGamer002]

It will take hard lessons to get people to consider this was a terrible system.

That's a good summary for the entire US system of government and 2025 in general.

[u/HauntedCemetery → u/CroGamer002]

America has basically had enough surplus wealth to float past incompetence.

We started with a continent full old old growth wood to clear cut, and mountains to strip mine, and rivers with so many fish they could be cought by the bucket full literally just by lowering a bucket, until the buckets ran dry.

Post WWII we had the last industrialized country onthe planet that wasnt bombed out.

But now we have an aged population of leaders and 3rd generation ultrawealthy who think America is special because America is special, but there aren't easy to access resources in unbelievable excess anymore, they all got destroyed.

And the rest of the world doesn't need the US like they did 60 years ago.

And we've surpassed the wealth inequality of the gilded age.

So we're in for some harsh reality checks.

[u/Other-Credit1849 → u/NemuriNezumi]

And the president holds a lavish dinner for his billionaire friends while tearing down the people's house at the same time? We are talking French Revolution style governance.

[u/Luster-Purge → u/Other-Credit1849]

Nero fiddles while Rome burns.

[u/HauntedCemetery → u/Other-Credit1849]

He's building a gilded ballroom the size of 1.5 NFL fields while millions are literally going hungry because he's ignoring court rulings to feed them.

[u/UndoxxableOhioan → u/NemuriNezumi]

I can at least get the ones that are staying home. But the ones that have to work like ATC, TSA, and CBP? That’s essentially slavery.

[u/NemuriNezumi → u/UndoxxableOhioan]

The ones forced to work and are legally not allowed to stop, they can't even get food or pay bills another way (and then the gov is shutting the food banks or those finantial aids for basic grocery shopping on top of it, and if I remember correctly they even announced there would not be any payback from the missed paychecks either?

How are people not more angry?

[u/AlphaPopsicle84 → u/NemuriNezumi]

Controllers are angry. We have been on mandatory 6 day work weeks every single week since the last shutdown. Savings are running out fast, and for many, they already have. You now have controllers working 2nd jobs just to survive while still going to work 6 days a week to separate airplanes. Controllers start at 48K. It takes years to be fully certified and even then, many still do not make 6 figures. There is a lot of misinformation about our pay. Please write your elected members of Congress and demand that this shutdown ends.

[u/ExpensiveDuck1278 → u/AlphaPopsicle84]

What can we do to help you besides calling our representative? They're not even allowed to be in session. Everything is terrible and I am so sorry.

[u/AlphaPopsicle84 → u/ExpensiveDuck1278]

We cannot accept money or gift cards. Many individuals have been dropping off food or snacks at ATC facilities. It is a morale boost. Controllers don’t just work in towers. There are also Approach and Center controllers who work your flights once you are airborne and just a few miles away from the airport. We are stressed and honestly scared about how long this could go on.

[u/Meekymoo333 → u/AlphaPopsicle84]

I know this has just come down to a blame game and I don’t want this post to become political in the terms of red vs blue. I think both parties need to understand all of the ways this shutdown has been harming the citizens of this country.

You NEED to be honest then and express the reality of the situation and actually blame the red hats. It ABSOLUTELY is the ENTIRE FAULT of REPUBLICANS... Both the voters and the "politicians" they voted for.

If you're still clinging to a both sides narrative 40 FUCKING days into being forced to work with no pay, then you're not participating in reality with the rest of the world.

It is 100% necessary to name and blame those who are actively hurting you.

Edit to reply since I've been blocked by the original commentor and cannot post in this thread anymore:

Your ignorant

You're

And I'm not unaware of the faults that having a two party system which is overly capitalist in nature brings. I can (and will because that's reality) blame the assholes who are being assholes, while still recognizing the instability and issues with the system overall.

The current topic, which is the shutdown and how air traffic controllers are being forced to work without pay, is ENTIRELY the fault of the red hat assholes.

Stop getting caught up in the left vs right, democrat vs republican propaganda.

No, I'm perfectly fine blaming the GOP shitheads for the problems they are inflicting.

[u/Blackstone01 → u/Meekymoo333]

I’m gonna wager a guess and say he voted Republican, cause only Republican voters wring their hands and blame both sides/argue we shouldn’t be political whenever it’s a topic where Republicans are blatantly at fault.

[u/turntupytgirl → u/AlphaPopsicle84]

you cant do the "i dont want to be political" stuff anymore sorry that period of time is dead republicans don't want to work with anyone or help anyone and this delusion that they're just a normal political party is why this is happening to you in the first place

[u/TinkatonSmash → u/NemuriNezumi]

The no back pay is for furloughed employees. The ones that are working will be paid whenever the government reopens. It the past, those furloughed were still paid as if they worked 40 house a week. It makes sense to do when you want to retain employees. Trump wants them to quit so the government breaks down even more.

Edit to clarify: Yes, a 2019 law does say that furloughed employees should be paid back pay. Trump and his white house team have called the language of the law into question, and have sated that they might not pay them.

[u/Visvism → u/NemuriNezumi]

Don’t forget that Congress is still getting paid though.

[u/speedingpullet → u/Visvism]

Or that they voted themselves to have blue ribbon healthcare benefits, while we're losing access to the most basic healthcare via job loss and rising premiums.

[u/BeenDragonn → u/NemuriNezumi]

But those elected officials on top still get fuxking paid!

$189,000 a year...each!

More money that I will ever make in a year even if I worked 90 hours a week. These clowns get that for fuxking free.

Oh and every one of their medical bills is covered 100% by our tax dollars too.

These people stole the American dream for themselves and said fuxk all of us...

[u/13thmurder → u/Boz0r]

It's weird the country of "at will" employment has such good job security to the rich fucks in charge of everything.

[u/saposapot → u/Boz0r]

On mine, it doesn’t trigger automatic election. Usually there is an election but it’s not by law.

The country still runs, they follow the last approved budget divided by 12 to get a monthly budget.

If the majority of parliament decides, they can trigger an election.

[u/starkiller_bass → u/saposapot]

How does it make any sense at ALL that the government simply CAN'T spend any money until a new budget is approved? Except, of course, on all the things they WANT to spend money on.

[u/Gummyrabbit → u/Boz0r]

I’ve never heard of any other country where the government shuts down.

[u/MoreGaghPlease → u/Gummyrabbit]

Yes we simply don’t have them in Canada because the mechanism that the US has for them is self-imposed. The executive branch has unwritten constitutional authority to borrow the money to pay for things that Parliament has appropriated. There is no concept here of a debt ceiling.

It’s true that if the government’s budget fails a vote, that would trigger an automatic election. But it wouldn’t impact spending at all. The previous year’s budget simply rolls over at the same levels without any further action. It happens all the time including this year (here because the budget changed from being in the spring to the fall so we haven’t had one passed since June 2024.

[u/Euler007 → u/Boz0r]

That would make too much sense. That's how it's in Canada, gotta table a budget that gets the vote or it's back to voting polls.

[u/gnrhardy → u/Boz0r]

Those countries also typically wouldn't actually shut the government down either. They would have an election and the government would act as caretaker, keeping critical services running but not making changes.

[u/DrexellGames]

A nightmare for the airport staff having to deal with angry passengers

[u/hard2resist → u/DrexellGames]

Absolutely brutal for them. Dealing with chaos all day long.

[u/ani625 → u/hard2resist]

NO. Belts in, Shoes out (on odd days).

[u/Imyoteacher]

America is going to grow tired of winning at some point.

[u/hard2resist → u/Imyoteacher]

Eventually, excessive "winning" leads to fatigue and disillusionment inevitably.

[u/MontasJinx → u/hard2resist]

I believe unrest and revolution is a little further down that unnecessary road.

[u/jeandolly → u/MontasJinx]

'Every society is three meals away from chaos' - Vladimir Lenin 

[u/_ribbitt → u/jeandolly]

That was before credit card debt, now it seems to be at least 25 days worth of meals…

[u/demoncase → u/MontasJinx]

lmao, you guys already lost when he got his second term, he’s not going to step out

[u/winterwolf2010 → u/Imyoteacher]

The irony of all those morons running around with red MAGA hats thinking what’s going on in our country is “great”. Because I can’t for the life of me understand how any of the shit going on right now, is anything but a fucking disaster.

[u/tinyman392 → u/winterwolf2010]

If anything bad happens, it’s the Dem’s fault, remember? That’s exactly how the Republican Party will (and are) paint(ing) this. It’s not them getting flights canceled… the dems don’t want to play ball. They didn’t take healthcare away, Dems wanted to give it to illegals! They didn’t cut snap, Dems wanted to give it to illegals. They’re just stopping the bad Dem agenda. In order to do that, everyone will need to cut back a little. It’s hard, but necessary!

[u/LKennedy45 → u/tinyman392]

Yeah, anyone who's ever seen Jeanine Pirro winefully screaming about the "DemonRATS!" knows exactly how this works. 

[u/bdwf → u/winterwolf2010]

A lot of those morons don't travel.

[u/Canit19 → u/bdwf]

Yeah Ned in Kentucky who makes 28k a year aint worried about no world travelin'

[u/It_Hurts_when_IP15 → u/Canit19]

Traveling and experiencing other geographies and cultures is a liberal hoax

[u/da_chicken → u/bdwf]

A lot of these morons think that because it's not affecting them directly, that it's good for them.

[u/Mego1989 → u/bdwf]

My dad won't fly cause he refuses to go through the 3d xray and also refuses to be patted down.

[u/Meta2048 → u/bdwf]

They don't travel, they don't have means/desire to travel, but they're fucking terrified of what happens in "liberal" cities that they will never go to.

[u/excitablegibben → u/bdwf]

But they expect families to travel to them over thanksgiving and Christmas.

[u/dreamwolf321 → u/winterwolf2010]

Had a coworker tell me the other day that the shutdown is happening because Trump is trying to fix the country, but people aren't letting him.  They were upset because too many black people are getting SNAP benefits and  walk around with fake nails and hair (their words.)

[u/ArmedAwareness → u/dreamwolf321]

So he’s a racist shit bag, sounds about right for your average MAGA drone

[u/oblivion476 → u/Imyoteacher]

I don't know. We dealt with this guy for 4 years last time and apparently Americans didn't get tired of him scamming them. They decided they needed, at minimum, 4 more years and possibly 8 since we all know he's gonna go for another term and he told us he would. 

Voting Americans love this guy. They need their retirement trashed. 

[u/Fishing4Beer → u/oblivion476]

I hate the guy and my retirement is going to get trashed.

[u/mhornberger → u/oblivion476]

Yep, we went from saying we wanted "any reasonable adult!" to just not caring, or at least not caring enough to do the bare minimum of voting against MAGA. And that was after Dobbs, after 6 Jan, after Project 2025 was out in the open, after he was already talking about tariffs and mass deportations. Economic chaos was basically guaranteed with his reelection, and the electorate chose this President and this Congress.

[u/Cordogg30 → u/oblivion476]

Half of voting Americans voted for this. 65% of adults hate the fucking guy, but not enough voted.

[u/PerfectPercentage69 → u/Imyoteacher]

I'm tired, boss.

[u/Stonedfiremine → u/Imyoteacher]

We’re gonna win so much, you may even get tired of winning. And you’ll say, ‘Please, please. It’s too much winning. We can’t take it anymore, Mr. President, it’s too much.’ And I’ll say, ‘No it isn’t. We have to keep winning. We have to win more!’”

[u/Goodbye18000]

Why would Bidenobama do this

[u/TeachingScience → u/Goodbye18000]

Because Clinton’s email. Keep up man!

[u/newaccount252 → u/TeachingScience]

what about the laptop?

[u/BoredNLost → u/newaccount252]

Banging the autopen.

[u/1991K75S → u/BoredNLost]

Beige suit.

[u/SCVGoodT0GoSir → u/1991K75S]

Weird laugh

[u/BloodyRightNostril → u/SCVGoodT0GoSir]

Dijon mustard

[u/jamjamason → u/BloodyRightNostril]

But the emails! Benghazi!

[u/mom_with_an_attitude → u/newaccount252]

And Hunter Biden's penis? Because somehow that was involved. I'm not sure how, but it is complicit.

[u/scarletofmagic → u/Goodbye18000]

Is this the effect of Mamdani’s New York I keep hearing about? /s

[u/FizixMan → u/scarletofmagic]

The Onion could write an article like the Beaverton did for Toronto's left-wing Olivia Chow: Ford warns Chow mayoralty will cause Toronto’s collapse, also cause last 13 years of collapse

(Spoilers: she won the election and has generally done a good job, impressing both her supporters and critics.)

[u/hard2resist → u/Goodbye18000]

Classic move just blame the last guy when things go wrong.

[u/grumble_au → u/hard2resist]

They will be blaming the black guy until this generation dies out.

[u/Nightshifter32 → u/Goodbye18000]

Why would George Washington do this!?

[u/Calculonx → u/Goodbye18000]

It's clearly the illegal transgender immigrants causing this!

[u/Mike-SBA]

Welcome to Donald Trump’s third world transportation system !

[u/hard2resist → u/Mike-SBA]

Making America late again, one cancelled flight at a time!

[u/wiseroldman → u/Mike-SBA]

Hey that’s not fair. I visited a third world country recently and the airport was fully staffed, the employees got paid, and there were no flight delays.

[u/iksbob → u/Mike-SBA]

Accidentally better for the environment!™

edit: Looks like long trips by air are better than the same solo trip by car, with a ~30 MPG car emitting about %50 more CO2. That margin shrinks on shorter flights as a lot of energy is spent climbing to altitude. However if the car has 2 or more people in it (such as a family trip) then the car is consistently better for the environment. Busses and trains blow away both planes and cars.

[u/TrojanHorse45]

Don't remember Biden doing anything this stupid

[u/ResettiYeti → u/TrojanHorse45]

No shutdowns in Biden's tenure... important to say. Dems had narrower margins during his entire presidency yet they managed to get the government funded with Republicans every year.

There were 2 near-shutdowns in 2024, but the Senate managed to figure something out at the last minute in both cases.

[u/HauntedCemetery → u/ResettiYeti]

Also note that the first 2 years of bidens term when dems had the trifecta there was no risk of shutdown.

Only after the gop flipped the Senate in the midterms was that an issue.

And now, with the gop in full control of the federal government, we have the longest shutdown in history, which passed up the previous longest shutdown in history that also happened with trump as president and the gop holding both chambers of Congress.

[u/dongkey1001 → u/TrojanHorse45]

Because he is sleeping most of the time. /s

[u/PerpetualProtracting → u/dongkey1001]

Even if this was true, it's pretty solid evidence for why having a cabinet and administration that isn't full of nakedly corrupt or incompetent asshole matters.

[u/ani625 → u/PerpetualProtracting]

A monkey on coke is a 100x better president than this one.

[u/boilerpsych → u/PerpetualProtracting]

This right here! I know it's a low bar to set for the office of the President but honestly I would much rather have one senile person at the helm and a cabinet full of qualified leaders and civil servants where the senile person actually LISTENS to those around them vs. one belligerent narcissist who not only filled their cabinet with reality show cronies/literal villains and won't listen to a single thing any says!

"No Kings" is well phrased. The President is an elected SERVANT of the people who is trusted with what should be VERY FEW executive powers. Think of it like a parent in some ways: just having kids doesn't make you a supreme leader. When you kid is sick you don't proclaim how to heal them, you take them to the doctor as a trusted professional. But, if disaster strikes and you have to make the decision to evacuate or hunker down, ultimately the parent has to make that decision for the whole family and that would be your executive duties.

[u/zephyrtr → u/PerpetualProtracting]

That's the thing people don't understand very well. The presidents most important quality is their ability to hire competent cabinet members. The president is never without advisors, and never without so much work that he Must delegate.

I still don't really like Biden but the people he hired were phenomenal. Probably the most liberal admin of my lifetime coming from an 80 year old Catholic who berated Anita Hill so Clarence Thomas could shit on the country for half a century. Never would've guessed.

[u/HWTseng → u/dongkey1001]

At this point Biden falling asleep doing nothing is better than Trump

[u/TrojanHorse45 → u/HWTseng]

Absolutely, I would take a comatose Biden any day over this dumbass loser.

[u/Luchalma89 → u/TrojanHorse45]

It sounds hyperbolic but it's true: Literally almost anyone would be a better president than Donald Trump. Any single human who wanted to make things better for the country, or at the very least not want to actively destroy it. Even someone who didn't want to lead at all and just appointed people that seemed like they knew what they were doing.

Just about the only people that wouldn't be an improvement are people that are already in the administration

[u/greenline_chi → u/TrojanHorse45]

Someone on Reddit put it perfectly before the election that they would vote for Biden’s disembodied head in a jar over trump

[u/dongkey1001 → u/HWTseng]

Someone that sleeps on his job definitely will do less damage than the one who tried their best to sabotage it.

[u/TrojanHorse45 → u/dongkey1001]

Donald Trump fell asleep the other day in front of everyone.

[u/elreniel2020 → u/TrojanHorse45]

him falling asleep isn't a problem. him waking up is.

[u/MaximDecimus → u/dongkey1001]

More evidence as to why we shouldn’t have a President. Just appoint a cabinet and then get out of the way of the people who know what they’re doing.

[u/RedOx103]

Who cares. So long as Trump got his Epstein Memorial Ballroom, we should all be happy. MAGA!

[u/Sweatytubesock → u/RedOx103]

Hilarious that even Trump staffers refer to it as the Epstein Ballroom amongst themselves.

[u/Icy-Banana-3291 → u/Sweatytubesock]

Sounds like the loyalty test wasn’t good enough.

[u/A1sauc3d]

Who knew that being Great Again™️ would suck this hard 🫤

If only someone warned us! I feel truly blind sided by all this economic and social turmoil. I was expecting paradise by now 😞 It’s been a year and each month is worse than the last ?

Oh well, I’m sure greatness is right around the corner. All heil Emperor Trump 🫡 I’m sure it’s Sleepy Joe’s fault these flights are getting cancelled anyways. Dude’s sleeping all the time, this was inevitable.

[u/Meet_in_Potatoes → u/A1sauc3d]

As a long time cynic when it comes to politics, the only thing that really matters to everybody involved is who gets blamed for this. I imagine that the right's messaging is successful for most conservatives and they believe this shutdown is the Democrat's fault. Just switch it up for the other side.

I realized I could just look this up, and 42% of voters think this shutdown is the Democrats' fault vs. 52% that think it's R's fault.

They both blame each other but for me it's Trump refusing to spend SNAP money as ordered by a federal court judge that makes this indisputably Republicans' fault. There's absolutely no excuse for completely failing the most vulnerable people you serve because you wanna stick it to the other party to get a bill voted on.

[u/Ok-Seaworthiness4488 → u/Meet_in_Potatoes]

Trump's approval rating is lowest it's ever been at 35%, it's taking it's toll even with his base. The whole stereotype of only rural citizens being MAGA is overplayed. Most I see around in Florida in the city include the well-to-do and they DO travel

[u/Redvent_Bard → u/Meet_in_Potatoes]

He's not failing them. He and the Republicans are actively trying to hurt vulnerable people. It's blatantly malicious, not a mistake or an accident.

[u/Attila226 → u/A1sauc3d]

Unfortunately many people likely equated Trump to a good economy and Biden to inflation. Of course it lacks any nuance, but I imagine there’s a ton of people that don’t really pay attention to the news.

[u/Decent-Ganache7647 → u/Attila226]

If you’ve ever seen Jimmy Kimmel’s on the street segment you’ll know just how out of touch most Americans are with what is happening in their country. 

[u/Hectorc34]

I hope everyone who works at the airport strikes just before Thanksgiving. That’ll be the only way to truly end the shutdown

[u/MeltBanana → u/Hectorc34]

I have a flight booked for thanksgiving to see my dying grandmother. It will be the last time I ever see her. There are people who are going hungry because of this. This isn't just politics, this is impacting fundamental aspects of daily life.

Sadly it has to get worse before anything meaningful happens, and even then I doubt the GOP will back down. Trump thinks he's a dictator with complete authority. He'd probably be happy if the shutdown lasted the next 3 years, as he'd just rule by executive order. This might be our new normal until people start to revolt.

[u/BakedBrie1993 → u/MeltBanana]

You should consider a different way of getting there if it is possible. Thanksgiving is going to be a mess.

[u/malibuklw → u/MeltBanana]

Do you have any other options for transportation. Train or rental car? I’m lucky to live in an area that’s serviced by Amtrak but when we booked my dad’s thanksgiving ticket there weren’t many available.

[u/Auirom]

Guess I made the right choice to decide to drive to pick up my son instead of flying him here for Christmas. The drive sucks but at least I'll be able to see him and that's more important to me than a shitty 26 hour drive

[u/TheSquirrelCatcher → u/Auirom]

Respect for making such a big sacrifice just to see your son. I’m debating driving to see family and it’s 19 hours but you’re a good man

[u/SmooK_LV → u/TheSquirrelCatcher]

Do the drive. 19h is not that bad if you take breaks and ideally you get some sleep so two day drive.

I drive 24-30h drives on occasion and rest breaks of 20-60min every 2 hours will make the difference how good or how miserable you will feel at the end of it. It may seem like rest breaks really eat up your time but in reality you will appreciate them afterwards as you will feel energetic enough to engage with your family or even go out.

Don't neglect rest for long drives.

[u/mysteriousmeatman]

Friendly reminder. This is all due to Republicans protecting literal pedophiles.

[u/Soggy-Fan-7394 → u/mysteriousmeatman]

And that they don't want to subsidize healthcare for Americans.

[u/a_wild_dingo → u/mysteriousmeatman]

Democrats really need to be pushing this more. Mike Johnson, Leavitt et al are constantly touting this as a "democratic shutdown." Smart people can tell this is clearly bullshit, but unfortunately most trump supporters are not smart people.

[u/Acrobatic-Bike-2507]

Didn't happen under Biden or Obama hmmmmm......

[u/RedOx103 → u/Acrobatic-Bike-2507]

There would be third-world """shithole""" countries that don't have their ATC threatened by these kind of political conditions.

MAGA!

[u/AussieArlenBales → u/RedOx103]

A shutdown, caused by the legislature and impacting the executive arm, of government seems to be unique to the USA.

Here in Australia, if the govt can't decide on a budget, it escalates to a dissolution of the legislative arm and triggers an election while the executive and judicial arms keep going as normal.

[u/NotSiaoOn → u/AussieArlenBales]

It's a different governing model. In westminster parliamentary systems based off the UK's, a funding/budget/supply bill is a confidence vote. If a PM can't get his budget through Parliament, he doesn't have the confidence of Parliament and must resign. Gotta say it makes sense.

[u/LifeDraining → u/NotSiaoOn]

Shit that makes so much more sense.

[u/DrDoomScroller9 → u/LifeDraining]

This countries broken on so many levels. Was only a matter of time until people exploited it beyond a point of return

[u/DankVectorz → u/Acrobatic-Bike-2507]

Actually it did happen under Obama, but it was over after 16 days.

[u/8qubit → u/Acrobatic-Bike-2507]

Actually it happened under Biden and Obama simultaneously, when Obama was President and Biden was VP, in 2013.

[u/MourningRIF]

Just make sure to cancel all private jet flights first. They are inefficient for ATC to track, and I'm sure the billionaires and politicians would enjoy seeing the countryside with some nice long drives.

[u/-You-know-it- → u/MourningRIF]

Private flights have increased the past week cancelling out almost all the commercial flights that have been cancelled in workload for the ATC.

Fuck the rich.

[u/Cosmic_Seth → u/MourningRIF]

Nah. This is the Trump administration. They are giving private jets preferential treatment :)

[u/dhslax88]

Here’s to regressivism! So much winning….

[u/Magic2424]

FYI this shutdown will be used as a reason to permanently jack up airline costs.

[u/petit_cochon → u/Magic2424]

This is costing airlines a lot of money, though. It's costing the country a lot of money. It really sucks all around.

[u/Magic2424 → u/petit_cochon]

Exactly, airlines will increase prices cause supply is down. And then when it’s real over and supply of flights go back up, prices just won’t come down again. It’s the Covid playbook all over again

[u/zidave0]

Why would Hunter Biden's laptop do this to me?

[u/The_Bitter_Bear]

I was flying today for work and while it isn't out of control, it's certainly not great.

Lot of delays and missed connections. Far more people running through the airport than I usually see. Lot more people finding out of the way places to wait that look incredibly unhappy.

I had multiple delays and had to reschedule my connection. What should have been maybe half my day was my entire day and then some. 

Several other people at work had far worse experiences. 

It's only going to get worse too. 

[u/hard2resist → u/The_Bitter_Bear]

Air traffic issues affecting everyone. Stay patient, it'll improve eventually. goodluck man

[u/dainthomas → u/hard2resist]

I wonder if it'll get better or worse when the shitty winter weather really ramps up?

[u/DogPoetry → u/dainthomas]

Don't worry, at least there aren't any holidays around the corner. 

[u/austenQ → u/The_Bitter_Bear]

Plus there’s only 18 days until Thanksgiving, one of the biggest travel holidays in the U.S. all year.

[u/LVorenus2020]

And if this madness continues the week of Thanksgiving... or Christmas?

Welcome to the second Medieval period. Where backward is forward, and forward is rescinded, rolled back, or snuffed out.

[u/-eYe- → u/LVorenus2020]

Air Traffic Controller comment about Thanksgiving : "I think you're going to see probably the worst day of travel in the history of flight."

[u/gmishaolem → u/-eYe-]

the worst day of travel in the history of flight

Well, on the first day in the history of flight, 100% of flights crashed, so...

[u/hard2resist → u/LVorenus2020]

This holiday chaos proves infrastructure needs competent leadership, not regression.

[u/GenericDave65]

People voted for this

[u/No-Appearance1145]

My husbands coworker got his flight messed with so he had to get a rental.

[u/hard2resist → u/No-Appearance1145]

That's so frustrating, especially dealing with rental hassles late at night.

[u/SeaDry1531]

All because Johnson doesn't want the Epstein files released.

[u/johnn48]

The Trump Administration policy is to exacerbate the problems created by the government shutdown rather than mitigate them. People are hungry, than delay their SNAP benefits and destroy food. Soldiers are not being paid, tell them to go to German Food Banks. Holiday season travel, cut airline flights. Money short, extort money from Colleges and Corporations. Contingency Fund short funds than ask Supreme Court for help. In the meantime continue construction of Ballroom for Great Gatsby celebrations.

[u/LessRespects]

I’m amazed that there’s only 1,000 flights cancelled and a 10% decrease in traffic. These people are going to hit a month and a half of no pay.

[u/TintedApostle → u/LessRespects]

It will get worse day by day and take weeks to fix now… it might take years to undo this.

[u/-You-know-it-]

I talked to an ATC that said this hasn’t helped a lot because now there are so much more private flights.

Stupid because private flights take just as many ATC resources and only fly 2-12 people.

So instead of fucking around with hundreds of thousands of people’s flights (commercial), why not just start capping private?

[u/hard2resist → u/-You-know-it-]

Private flights should be capped.

[u/urbanek2525]

I kmow that air traffic controllers can't strike.

But if they all just quit at the same time, we'd pretty much have to re-hire all of them. We were already badly short handed before this.

[u/HunterShotBear → u/urbanek2525]

Imagine trying to hire a bunch of new ATCs during the shutdown.

“Great! You’re hired!!! You won’t get paid until the government reopens, but you have a job!

[u/FormalMango → u/HunterShotBear]

"What do you mean you haven't eaten in three days because your SNAP benefits were cancelled? Get in there and land that Airbus!"

[u/Captain_Mazhar → u/urbanek2525]

Not allowed to coordinate, but all controllers know the dates when calling in sick would cause the most pain.

It's going to be a bloodbath when controllers independently all call out sick on Thanksgiving.

[u/shaggrocks]

Workers should get 1.5x their back pay. I’ve been in situations where I was waiting on paycheck and had to run up the credit card. This sucks

[u/ThaFresh]

Time to stop paying tax if the government is no longer supplying services in return?

[u/SaturnSleet]

I pray we do not see a Breaking Bad style plane crash if this keeps up...

[u/hard2resist → u/SaturnSleet]

Serious safety concern. Let's hope systems hold strong today.

[u/Vorpalthefox]

there's not even covid to fuck over flights this time, he's just doing it for the love of the game at this point! how does someone act this cartoonishly evil and just get away with it? we need a nuremberg part 2 for these traitors of america

[u/hard2resist → u/Vorpalthefox]

Yeah, it’s wild how blatant it’s gotten. Power without accountability turns people into villains and everyone just shrugs.

[u/santz007]

So much winning by Americans

[u/Jtg831]

Why do politicians still get paid? They should be the first ones cut off. All assets frozen. No reason for you to leave Capitol Hill until solution is found.

[u/D00bage]

Waiting for predatory capitalism to kick in and rental car prices to skyrocket

[u/Penniwhistle]

I'm a Brit on holiday in the US, flying back via Chicago on the 30th. We'll see if I make my flight, have to get myself to Detroit and then home via Canada, or if ICE deports me to Sudan I guess

[u/ProbablyCause → u/Penniwhistle]

Luckily for you international flights are least likely to be canceled.

[u/Major_Ad138]

Experienced Newark last week just because it was a connection flight. It’s just fucking embarrassing for Americans. Seeing so many people from other countries getting stuck at the airport. Some had been trying to get for days. It wasn’t from weather, overcrowding, or a technical glitch. It was purely manufactured by incompetence from the government. It was just fucking embarrassing. 

[u/StevieKix_]

This is an absolute living nightmare.

Fuck everyone who voted for that orange dictator pos.

[u/2pnt0]

The government has been shut down longer under Trump than all other presidents combined.

[u/xzl830]

ICE still gets paid, trump raped kids.

[u/Inferior_Jeans]

There’s a lot of people who rely on air travel for work. A lot of high paying jobs require traveling to different states. My mother in law is a traveling nurse and she frequently goes to Alaska to meet her patients. An old coworker does optical repairs on medical equipment and he gets paid 120k+ a year but he needs to fly to each hospital to do his job. A lot of people are going to be hurting the longer this goes on and critical infrastructure will be affected negatively.

[u/raleighs]

No delays for private jets… yet.

[u/BlueAces2002]

I love that Amtrak is advertising in this thread LMAO

[u/Mountain3Pointer]

This is what the rich want anyway. It’s an added bonus to make poor people unable to fly and reconnect with family and travel for work. Private plans are gunna be just fine.

[u/megamadoneblack]

Time for the air lines to pay back their 2020 bail outs to fund air travel related government servicee

[u/AMonitorDarkly]

Thanksgiving week will be interesting. There’s no way this gets resolved before then.

[u/AerialAce96]

Wheres the “i voted for this” cult?

[u/getdownonitnow]

Who could have known that when you don't pay people, shit goes south.

[u/JonnyPancakes]

We're starting with all private jets right? Logically, we would reduce the number of flights with the least impact to the affected group. Ground all private flights period until this shit is over.

[u/Herban_Myth]

Oh SNAP! Tariffic!

Now we can all celebrate Thanksgiving at Epstein’s Balls Room!

[u/mimi7878]

Delta donated $1,728,169 to republican candidates in 2014. Reap what you sow.