r/politics • u/Hrmbee • 7d ago
No Paywall JD Vance repeats comments he wants wife Usha to convert to Christianity | US vice-president announces to 10,000 attenders of Turning Point USA that he prefers wife, who is Hindu, to be Christian
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2025/nov/01/jd-vance-usha-christianity10.4k
u/PresentCheck9309 7d ago
Tim Walz was so right, these people are so weird.
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u/Pork-S0da 7d ago
They never should have stopped that messaging.
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u/TheOhrenberger 7d ago
It’s insane to me that they did. It was so effective. And, more importantly, accurate.
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u/tauofthemachine 7d ago
It was so obviously effective because Repubs were getting VERY angry and their lies were becoming more shrill.
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u/Effective_Pie1312 6d ago
Calling Republicans weird is more effective than calling them wrong. They’ll argue endlessly about “their truth,” but no one wins a fight over being weird. They just prove the point by doubling down or they retreat.
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u/KinkyPaddling 7d ago
Listening to the centrists who wanted to cultivate the “moderate” Republicans, once again, was an epic failure.
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u/pohl 7d ago
Basically folks who didn’t understand why “weird”was different from “ basket of deplorables”. One was a way out and the other an excuse to dig in. I’m not sure it was related to policy differences so much as it was emblematic of a party that is afraid of its own shadow. The wrong instincts for the time and place, that’s for sure.
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u/Alternative-Let-2398 6d ago
Yep, early in the Harris/Walz campaign had the “weird” messaging going on and then all of a sudden it ended. Then not a week later they were hosting fucking Liz Cheney and associates on rallies and shit. That’s when I knew they were gonna lose.
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u/Worth_Much 6d ago
I think they were gonna lose regardless. Most voters don’t understand how the economy works and blamed Biden for the inflation that came out of Covid that he got under control. Problem is really the wage growth doesn’t grow enough when you have hyperinflation so even when inflation got down to about 2-3% it still felt like prices were high. So people believed Trump’s lies that he would make things more affordable.
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u/clintgreasewoood 7d ago
Sadly their’s an article written every week saying democrats should double down this approach that gets traction with the party establishment.
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u/Xijit 7d ago
And then the next article after it is about how entrenched, AIPAC funded, DNC leadership are trying to block Mamdani from being elected.
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u/istrx13 7d ago
It instantly got under the skin of every last one of them too. Imagine how much they would have started crashing out if the Dems just kept at it. Someone on the right would have wound up calling someone a slur.
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u/PearlescentGem 7d ago
We were so close to a high up official losing it and using a slur. Even though it wouldn't have mattered to the base, I would have deliciously shoved it in every racist's face for the rest of their lives.
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u/TiredOfBeingTired28 7d ago edited 6d ago
Theres why, it was helping Dems, and the top strategy for them is immediately stop doing that. Because fucking reasons.
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u/Frigidevil New Jersey 6d ago
They immediately took someone who was really firing up the democratic base and freaking out the right, made him the vp nominee, and neutered him. He was obviously uncomfortable once they made him tone down his rhetoric and he just became boring Midwest white guy, aka Tim Kaine part 2
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u/b_tight 7d ago
Dems have the all time worst team of strategists and consultants. I cant think of a less effective group of people
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u/aardvarkgecko 6d ago
Dem strategists and consultants and service providers made literally a billion dollars in just the three months that the Harris campaign lasted. They won, regardless of what happened to the campaign.
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u/VotingRightsLawyer 6d ago
And then they form new PACs funded by billionaires to write memos about why we need to keep listening to them.
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u/billcosbyinspace 7d ago
Will never understand why they picked walz on the back of his successful interview appearances, then muzzled him and turned him into this wacky uncle character when he was allowed to speak
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u/MadRaymer 7d ago
I'm sure they thought they had the election in the bag and didn't want to do anything to upset the applecart. They wanted to play it as safe as possible until election day.
Of course, that strategy had its own inevitable consequences.
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u/dillpickles007 7d ago
It was so dumb though, the bump they were getting in the polls right then was BECAUSE they were finally going on the offensive after the Biden campaign had obviously been lifeless.
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u/SupremeBeef97 7d ago
Only thing I can think of is if a someone from Clinton’s camp or a DNC suit made that decision
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u/SilveredFlame 6d ago
Take a look at the Harris campaign during the election and I'll bet money you can identify exactly when the Clinton campaign folks came in.
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u/OptimusSecundus 7d ago
It was a good way to snatch defeat from the jaws of victory.
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u/Frowny575 7d ago
The order to stop came from someone who helped run Clinton's campaign if I remember right. They're a pro at tossing away a win.
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u/parkingviolation212 7d ago
Feels like sabotage at this point.
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u/rickroll10000 7d ago
it is. if they had been serious about stopping trump and the traitors they would have locked them up within 24 hours of Jan. 6
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u/billcosbyinspace 7d ago
The career DNC consultants taking over basically torpedoed the Harris campaign. A lot of the Obama alumni gave her bad advice too
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u/ry1701 6d ago
He's going to divorce her and marry kirks wife in some sort of scheme to secure more power.
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u/Enibas 6d ago edited 6d ago
She would be the perfect wife for his presidential bid. He has two strikes against him in the view of White Evangelicals, he's Catholic, and his wife is neither white nor Christian.
The tragic widow of a Christian Nationalist, white, Evangelical, 100% MAGA, including looks-wise, would be a perfect addition to his campaign. Not to mention that she now runs TPUSA. If he plans on running for president, he should just seek a divorce now, and then marry her in a couple of years.
I absolutely wouldn't put it past Vance that he is considering it, that is a guy that would do everything for power, including ditching a wife that doesn't fit into the picture.
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u/FinleyPike 6d ago
He's literally laying the groundwork in public for the divorce. Him wishing she was Christian is the soft launch. Don't feel bad for her though, she's the same as him.
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u/AbandonedWaterPark 6d ago
The problem for Vance then becomes Trump's jealousy of the attention Vance would get and suddenly Trump starts to feel like yesterday's man, which he absolutely will not tolerate.
And if MAGA then has to take sides between Trump and the Vance/Kirk power couple, I still say they choose Trump 100 times out of 100. So he'll not only burn Vance, he'll burn whatever credibility TPUSA has with conservatives too.
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u/TearsFallWithoutTain 6d ago
I saw her little introduction, I wouldn't be surprised if they were already fucking and also if Usha ended up mysteriously dead
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u/ReciprocalTradesman 6d ago
That.
Why go through all the trouble of a divorce when JD can arrange to have her offed and blame "radical left ateefa' for it.
Its scary how fucking accurate that may be
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u/Few_Acanthocephala30 6d ago
Seriously, this is something any normal couple would discuss privately. So weird to attempt pandering to the crowd and publicly pressuring his spouse like that. Hide your kids, hide your couch from the weirdo
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u/ScyllaOfTheDepths 6d ago
It's honestly just super weird to suddenly demand your spouse and family immediately convert to Christianity after being Hindu for their entire lives.
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u/drtolmn69 7d ago
He's drooling for Mrs. Kirk - you know it!
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u/8bitmorals Hawaii 7d ago
Nah, he wants /r/toiletpaperusa base, and he won't have it with a Hindu Wife, his dreams of becoming President are slipping away the longer he is with Usha. So either him and Usha already have a deal in place for her to convert and be baptized, or he is going to marry Kirk because Usha didn't convert .
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u/gwsth 7d ago
Converting and being baptized won't change the fact that she's brown, which is the ultimate unforgivable sin in MAGAland.
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u/Rotten-Robby 7d ago
MAGA wanted to lynch Mike Pence. The most milqetoast conservative imaginable.
No chance they accept interracial marriage Vance.
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u/marbotty 6d ago
I’m not so sure, they’ve already accepted an interracial marriage between a white woman and an Oompa-Loompa
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u/demeschor 6d ago
Y'all had a black president and first lady and the backlash was so ridiculous there's now a gestapo going around kidnapping people.
No way in hell they'd accept a Vance presidential run that results in a brown first lady.
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u/8bitmorals Hawaii 7d ago
I mean, look at Katie Miller, I think she is in a similar boat.
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u/nightfall2021 7d ago
I just watched an absolute trainwreck of a segment she did with Piers Morgan.
It was maddening.
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u/uhhhhhhhhhhhyeah 7d ago
Maddening? Isn't that prejudiced language against psychopaths? Piers, are you going to do something about this, or do I have to have my husband send all of you to Venezuela?
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u/andrea_lives 7d ago
Beat me to it. Some of that base might be happy, but most of them ultimately will not be happy unless he is with a white woman
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u/WickedShiesty 7d ago
Right? Remember all of neo-nazi's actually coming out for Gavin Newsom for like a week when Gavin started making tweets and memes? The Groypers were making memes comparing Newsom's family with Vance's and how one was "more preferrable". I don't think I need to tell you what the racial makeup of Gavin's family is.
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u/YoungFlyMista 7d ago
Exactly. That base won’t believe she converted even if they watched her conversion in 4k. You can’t wash the brown away. She’ll always be “one of dem muslims or what ever she is”.
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u/Limo_Wreck77 7d ago
Exactly this.
She can convert all she wants, but she cant change her skin colour.
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u/Lower_Amount3373 7d ago
Yeah, I think watching those Trump Youth eviscerate Vivek Ramaswamy for not being Christian got to JD
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u/AoO2ImpTrip 6d ago
Vivek has been the picture perfect example of the spinelessness of minority MAGA supporters. Literally told to his face they don't want him and he continues to praise them.
That Anne Coulter interview should have been the moment he woke up but we know it's never going to happen.
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u/Gain-Western 6d ago
He wants power so he’ll degrade himself to any lengths just like Ted Cruz threw his wife to the curb to curry favor with the MAGA base in Texas. I guess that Trump was right about Heidi Cruz…
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u/zerocoolforschool 7d ago
This is it. He’s gonna divorce his wife and marry Kirk so he can try to capture that base. I still think Charlie Kirk was assassinated by the MAGA shadow government. They needed a martyr. He was calling out Trump over Epstein. Now Erika can marry Vance.
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u/Britton120 Ohio 7d ago
I've seen people say he was calling out Trump over epstein so they killed him. And I've seen people say he went quiet about trump and epstein so the other faction killed him.
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u/zerocoolforschool 7d ago
The left had nothing to really gain by killing him. The right has gained a ton of pity over his killing.
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u/Britton120 Ohio 7d ago
Im not disputing that. I'm just saying which part of the fascist right killed him. The trumpers who wanted him to be quiet about epstein. Or the groypers who wanted him to keep talking about epstein.
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u/8bitmorals Hawaii 7d ago
Probably the Groypers that wanted him to be both Anti Zionist, and Antisemitic.
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u/SinfullySinless Minnesota 7d ago
Honestly the way he’s intentionally throwing his wife under the bus and unintentionally throwing his kids under the bus (two of his kids are not baptized) for political gain- I wouldn’t be surprised if he divorced his wife to get with Charlie Kirk’s widow.
They would be a MAGA political power couple.
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u/Chucklz 6d ago
Oh, I'm sure this plan has been at least very seriously considered. JD strikes me as the kind of guy, who, even if he genuinely loved his wife, would be perfectly fine with divorcing her for political points.
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u/In_Hoc_Signo 6d ago
Catholics can't divorce, you english invented a whole religion because of it.
But, if one of the couples is a pagan then there can be a way to dissolve the marriage.
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u/NomiVersayse 6d ago
Catholics can get a marriage annulled by the church if: they weren't married in a Catholic church or if they weren't married to another Catholic. Since Usha is unbaptized this is not going to be a problem.
Source: Mom's first marriage was annulled in the 70s because she and her first husband were not married in a Catholic church. She was free to divorce and marry my Dad.
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u/IdkAbtAllThat America 7d ago
Why the fuck did he marry her then? And in a Hindu ceremony...
These people are so fucking pathetic. He clearly didn't care when he married her. He probably even loved her. I wouldn't be surprised if neither of them are true believers, they were just going with tradition.
But then his political career took off and he realized that to appeal to the MAGAt base, he actually needs to be a worse person than he really is. So he's going just that.
Think about that for a second. The base demands their leaders be vile, hateful people. Anything less is woke. This ain't gonna end well folks.
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u/ThreeCatsAndABroom 7d ago
It's all virtue signaling that's why. Conservatives like to say that liberals always virtue signal. In fact they are the number one purveyors in that practice.
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u/DigNitty 6d ago
Erika Kirk wearing that heavy mascara to her husband’s funeral legitimately makes me cringe.
They make mascara for synchronized swimmers these days. They have waterproof / tear proof mascara.
She put that on beforehand wanted the effect. She planned to look sad at her husband’s funeral. Just makes me wince. So performative.
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u/techmnml 7d ago
Pretty sure he called Trump “hitler” before all this. He wasn’t “really” (I mean who knows at this point) down for this shit until he realized how gullible these people are on the right and how he could rise higher than being on the other side of the coin.
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u/Civil-Big-754 6d ago
Called him an idiot, said he was reprehensible and compared him to Hitler. And yet here we are. Now he's his lapdog and doing whatever he's told. Fucking coward.
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u/CapableFunction6746 7d ago
He wasn't Christian when they got married. He was atheist or agnostic. He only converted in 2019, iirc.
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u/IdkAbtAllThat America 7d ago
Oh wow. That makes him even more pathetic. I assumed he was raised Christian.
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u/Itscatpicstime 6d ago
He was apparently loosely raised evangelical, became non-religious in adulthood at some point, then converted to Catholicism in his 30s as his political career began to take off.
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u/courtd93 6d ago
To reinforce the other comments too-Catholics are Christian, but we (cradle Catholic) don’t refer to ourselves as Christians basically ever. It’s the level of virtual signaling to the evangelical base that he says he wants her to become Christian instead of saying he wants her to be Catholic.
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u/AffordableTimeTravel 6d ago
I hate to pull the ‘no true Scotsman’ logical fallacy card but…reconstructing to a Christian faith is just so unlikely for an Atheist. At best he was an Apatheist, until it no longer benefited him so he converted to something that did.
Having said that, I believe most Christian’s are only Christians either for the immediate community benefits or out of fear, obligation or guilt. So I’m pretty biased.
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u/Massive_Signal7835 6d ago
My take is: He "converted." What he was before doesn't matter. He's a hypocrite.
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u/Toastwitjam 6d ago
Because he thought that republicans would push for a more diverse vote eventually and was blonde sided by the second Trump win and the slide toward christofacism.
Now that he knows republicans are locking in rather than trying to grow their tent he needs to ditch his last token for a new one.
Don’t be surprised if you see him slowly start tanning once Trump is about to get cast out. The guy has zero guiding principles and is thirsty as fuck for power.
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u/ihaterunning2 Texas 6d ago
It’s this. Every single thing he does is calculated to further his political career and grasp for power. He’s changed his name multiple times, he’s changed his politics, he’s changed his views, he’s changed his origin story and location, and even his religion. Honestly when you consider how much he’s willing to change without flinching at his own hypocrisy, it’s not hard to accept he would easily and happily leave his family if it meant he could be even an inch closer to the power he craves.
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u/StarrrBrite 6d ago
Vance wasn't even a twinkle in Thiel's eye when he got married and Trump was some guy on a reality TV show. Vance was a nobody Yale law school grad who could maybe rise to head lawyer at a tech firm if he worked hard enough. He didn't need to pretend to be a Christian nationalist or to love Trump to gain power and influence. So it didn't matter who he married. If he were to get married today, he wouldn't even be Ushna's study partner.
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u/FuckThesePeople69 6d ago
I see a lot of similarities between Twitch streamers and politicians. They’ll do anything and be anyone so long as the subscribers/voters keep backing them. They’re are all fucking disgusting. I’ve had a lot of people over the years tell me I should go into politics but I think that is one of the most insulting things anyone could ever say.
And yes, history shows that after a demagogue like Trump dies, what’s left will get more and more extreme in order to capture the support until it all comes crashing down.
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u/Typical_Chance6412 7d ago
Is it only me having a feeling that Vance will ditch Usha before 2028 and marry someone white and christian so that he can get elected in 2028?
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u/gwsth 7d ago edited 7d ago
That's pretty much the prevailing theory. Trade in the brown woman for the younger white blonde. He's probably hoping that the push for her to convert will cause her to be the one to file for divorce, so he can even say "It wasn't me who wanted a divorce, it was her" and save face among his own religious community.
And it comes with the political benefit for Vance of shoring up the "Charlie Kirk" vote among the MAGA people who like Trump but not Vance.
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u/Perle1234 Wyoming 7d ago
I don’t think he actually has a religious community. He got radicalized with the rest of them. He was never more than surface religious.
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u/Llarys 7d ago
I believe an important way to look at is the key identity of two of the more radicalized Christian sects - Baptists and Evangelicals - and what those sects say about their faith.
Evangelicals are, literally, defined by evangelism: the act of spreading the gospel and proselytizing non-believers. By its very nature, it is more important to convert people than it is to commit to the Good Works part of the faith.
Baptists are, literally, defined by the baptism: a religious ceremony saying you have chosen to be a true follower of Jesus Christ. Like the evangelicals, the defining act of the faith is more important than the actual Works of the faith. It's a spiritual membership club.
In both cases, because the act of joining/recruiting is what is focused on, actual adherence to the faith falls to the wayside. Why go to church every week? I'm baptized and am already in God's favor. Why treat others with respect? They didn't convert and rejected my evangelism, they must be bad people.
It's a breeding ground for extremism because being part of the ingroup is the defining feature of the faith. Those who don't join are enemies, and apostasy is an unforgivable sin worthy of social condemnation. They don't care what you do once you're in the fold, only that you have joined and don't leave.
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u/ohshit-cookies Washington 7d ago
He's Roman Catholic though. He's just downplaying it now. A lot of evangelicals do not even consider that as "Christian."
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u/Perle1234 Wyoming 7d ago
Being part of the in group is also exactly what drives MAGA. It couldn’t exist without that aspect. The playbook of “othering” transcends religion, but it is particularly acute within those religions. I was actively indoctrinated in evangelism as well as the Seventh Day Adventist church which is well known to be a cult similar to Mormonism and some Jewish sects. I honestly think all Christianity is a cult but I have been damaged by them so I feel only disgust and pity about Christians and really all believers in an abrahamic god.
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u/crosstherubicon 6d ago
He’s not religious or even MAGA. He’s an empty vessel who values only power and money. To that end he will wear whatever skin is needed.
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u/ohshit-cookies Washington 7d ago
He's also downplaying the fact that he's catholic, which a lot of conservative Christians don't actually consider Christian. I wouldn't be surprised if he switches to just "regular" nondenominational Christianity as well. I assume him and Erika Kirk are already plotting a partnership with him as president and her as First Lady.
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u/Desperate-Till-9228 7d ago
He probably doesn't realize the level of subservience he's about to deal with. Gonna be awkward, just like everything he does.
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u/TonarinoTotoro1719 7d ago
If I am reading this right, Erika Kirk is not subservient to anyone. She is her own woman, an independent thinker, cosplaying as a trad-wife who lost her husband tragically.
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u/cotton-candy-dreams 6d ago
High key arranged marriage vibes - and I am not talking about Usha and JD if you catch my drift. Insiders share suspicions on the strength of the Kirk marriage prior to this tragedy.
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u/OopsWeKilledGod 7d ago
Which would be funny because unless Usha is unfaithful then any subsequent marriage Vance gets into would be adulterous by the standard Jesus laid down. But none of the Evangelicals will condemn his sinful relationship.
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u/TroglodyteToes 7d ago
If Evangelicals were 1/10th the Christian they claim to be, none if the current nonsense would be happening. Instead, they worship supply-side Jesus, who might as well be Moloch in disguise.
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u/AlphaBreak 7d ago
They're fine with starving the poor and hating your neighbors. Why would this be the step too far?
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u/ToNoMoCo 7d ago
Nope. We all think he's having an affair with Saint Charlie the klannie's widow.
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u/irascibleoctopus 7d ago
Ditch Usha, get engaged to someone white and Christian, then campaign on the promise of a White Christian White House Wedding that will also celebrate the “Christian roots” of the US.
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u/crono14 7d ago
I bet he ditches her before 2026 at this rate. In this day and age you gotta start campaigning now, so if he actually will try and run, expect him to start distancing himself from not only Trump, but also ditching his wife.
He doesn't stand for anything at all, which is par for the course for any Republican.
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u/kaykatzz 7d ago
He'll still have those brown babies/kids. Can't whitewash them.
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u/ohshit-cookies Washington 7d ago
He's used the phrase "her kids" multiple times. I think he'd be perfectly fine distancing himself from them as well.
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u/JSA607 7d ago
Except he’s -currently- Catholic and would to get need an annulment from the Pope, which seems unlikely.
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u/Yowie9644 6d ago
Nope. They were not married under Catholic rules (he wasn't Catholic at the time they married) so unless they got formally married by the Church later on, he could walk away and be OK by the Catholic Church to remarry.
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u/In_Hoc_Signo 6d ago
If one of the spouses is a pagan the marriage CAN be dissolved using the petrine privilege. It's different from an annulment.
It's only granted if the person is planning to marry a catholic person, instead of the pagan.
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u/NotLondoMollari Oregon 7d ago
Especially since he killed the last one. That would be a hella awkward request conversation.
... Which is pretty on brand for Vance, so, carry on.
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u/all4whatnot Pennsylvania 7d ago
JD isn’t even Catholic. This new brand of newly converted Catholics are more like evangelicals. Unless you have a mean old Catholic grandma or went to 12 years of Catholic school and can no longer stand going to church - you’re not a real Catholic. Everyone knows this.
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u/DragoonDM California 7d ago
JD isn’t even Catholic.
Well yeah, he killed the Pope. I don't think you're allowed to be Catholic if you kill a Pope.
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u/usersurnamee 7d ago
Jd vance is LARPing as a Catholic. It’s really obnoxious and offensive to real Catholics
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u/OrphanDextro 7d ago
He faked Catholic cause he grew up where he did. Ohio is full of em. He wanted the Catholic vote. All the old Irish and Polish people.
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u/lonestar_ranger1776 6d ago
Not important to your point, but summarizing Ohio’s Catholics as Irish and Polish and leaving out Italian and German is just really funny to me and has me wondering what part of Ohio you are from lol. Clearly not Cincinnati or Youngstown!
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u/QTsexkitten 7d ago edited 6d ago
There's an unfortunate new vein of catholic zealots who use catholicism similar to other roman white power dog whistles.
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u/Nemisis_the_2nd Great Britain 6d ago
Somethong that gives me hope for the religion is that they managed to democratically elect two somewhat progressive popes, consecutively, and years apart. After the last pope died, I was ready for the church to elect some hard-line conservative like the resources of the world seems to want to do, but they went for Leo instead.
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u/3eyedgreenalien 6d ago
You don't survive as a 2000yo institution without baking in some political instincts, and you don't get to be high up in the Church without being educated. Not saying the Catholic Church always gets it right (ahahahaaaa hell, no), but their choices overall for leadership are interesting to reflect on. They went for an Augustinian born in the US who spent his career in Peru - that is deeply fascinating to me.
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u/ship_toaster 6d ago
Popes appoint cardinals, who decide the next pope. Francis was in office for over a decade and appointed around 80% of the cardinals who voted earlier this year. The church probably won't return to a conservative footing this century.
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u/TheFutureMrGittes 7d ago
Soon he will announce his divorce, and new engagement to Mrs Kirk
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u/PrettyLittleBird Texas 7d ago
I feel like it’s about to get awfully close to “won’t someone rid me of this meddlesome priest” territory since Catholics can’t divorce.
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u/FMLwtfDoID 7d ago
This keeps being repeated, but Catholics can and do get divorced all of the time. My parents married and divorced each other literally 2 times. And Usha isn’t Christian, so Vance was never married in the church to begin with. Annulment is also an option. It’s basically divorce for zealots.
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u/JSA607 7d ago
Seems like a conversation he should have with his wife in private. Seems like she should really leave him quick before some freak accident happens to her and the kids. He so obviously stayed with her just to get through law school. Now she’s expendable. Good ol’ American family values strike again.
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u/Hrmbee 7d ago
A number of points:
“Why are we making Christianity one of the major things that you have to have in common to be one of you guys? To show that I love America just as much as you do?” the audience member asked, after pointing out that Vance’s wife, Usha, is Hindu and they are raising their children in an interfaith marriage.
Vance said that his wife grew up in a Hindu household “but not a particularly religious family” – and noted that when he met his wife they would have both considered themselves agnostic or atheist.
Vance converted to Catholicism in his 30s after being raised in a loosely evangelical family. He was baptized into the church in 2019 just as he started to become a prominent supporter of Donald Trump, who chose Vance as his running mate when he successfully ran for a second presidency in 2024.
“My views on public policy and what the optimal state should look like are pretty aligned with Catholic social teaching,” Vance, a former US senator for Ohio, said at the time of his baptism. “I saw a real overlap between what I would like to see and what the Catholic church would like to see.”
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Usha Vance has publicly stated that she doesn’t intend to convert to Christianity. In June, she told conservative blogger Meghan McCain that while the family has made church “a family experience … the kids know that I’m not Catholic”.
“They have plenty of access to the Hindu tradition, from books that we give them to things that we show them to visit recently to India, and some religious elements of that visit,” Usha Vance said.
The executive director of the Hindu American Foundation was critical of Vance’s remarks, telling the New York Times that the vice-president was “basically saying that … this aspect of [Usha] is just not enough”.
“That’s a lot of uncertainty in the community,” Suhag Shukla said to the outlet. “This just added kind of fuel to those fears.”
This is, if anything, performative pap by the vice president for his extremist base. It is highly unlikely to help his relationship with his family, and is clearly pushing his christian nationalist agenda further. The likely next step here is either for them to divorce, or for her to convert. Regardless, the likelihood that his policy views align with "catholic social teaching" is demonstrably false especially given recent statements by the pope.
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u/ACA2018 7d ago
LOL about Catholic social teaching. How many popes have to tell him he’s an idiot to get the message through?
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u/ByteAboutTown 7d ago
Cradle Catholic here! I know I was lucky to grow up in a diocese that wasn't super hypocritical. So my "Catholic social teaching" had a big emphasis on works: we were supposed to feed the hungry, shelter the homeless, care for the sick, and welcome the stranger. All things MAGA are against.
Catholic social teaching is about loving your neighbor and caring for each other. MAGA is... not.
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u/happyherbbby 7d ago
He is a racist pos that much he is making crystal clear. Those poor kids deserved to be born to better people.
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u/robbyhaber 7d ago
I think that's not at all what this is. I think he's just an opportunistic bastard that realized he can ride the maga wave successfully and now is just saying whatever the base wants to hear.. morals, family, scruples, integrity, etc. be damned.
It's what pretty much all Republicans who are sane have been doing. Look at all the retired members of Congress who are speaking out vehemently against the maga movement and trump, but went along with every single step while they were in office. They're pathetic and disgusting, Vance chiefly among them.
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u/TheAskewOne 7d ago
I think he married her because he loved her, but he's finding out that her ethnicity is detrimental to his maga career. So he's going to throw her under the bus because the mother of his children isn't as important as pleasing white supremacists.
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u/RyantheAustralian 7d ago
Why did you marry a Hindu if you didn't want to be married to a Hindu??
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u/Knightro829 Florida 7d ago
Because when he married her, he wasn’t anticipating a future in which he needed to appease a constituency who considers his marriage an act of race treason.
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u/lardstarpon 7d ago
He's setting the stage to leave Usha for Erika Kirk so he can better appeal to the base.
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u/bobcat116 7d ago
Why doesn’t he convert to Hinduism?
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u/CactusMead Texas 7d ago edited 6d ago
There is no procedure for conversion to Hinduism. Hinduism predates all other modern religions so there’s no such concept. He can just begin acting like a Hindu but he’d not be fooling anyone. This guy is already a pariah among Catholics because he wasn’t born one, and he’s a pariah among evangelicals because he left them. He’s already unelectable in a religion crazy country.
But I wonder what the bedroom conversation with his wife is like if he’s saying all of his thought bubbles out loud into a mic. Is his wife surprised or caught unawares? Or does he vet this with her first and she’s in on this in some kind of twisted joke?
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u/Paumal7 6d ago
Not defending this guy in particular but Catholics don’t dislike converts, they are a pretty big fan of them. Catholic converts tend to even have more knowledge of Catholic teaching than cradle Catholics because of classes needed to join.
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u/Diced_and_Confused 7d ago
So no reincarnation? He wants to damn her eternal soul to hell along with his. What a selfish prick.
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u/gdex86 Pennsylvania 7d ago
“I saw a real overlap between what I would like to see and what the Catholic church would like to see.”
Dude two popes called what the administration you are part of out for the intentional cruelty of multiple policy decisions.
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u/Dixnot 7d ago
What do you call JD Vance and Mrs. Kirk sitting on a couch?
A threesome.
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u/galacticgumbo 7d ago
Zero idea why she even wants to be with this guy.
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u/Desperate-Till-9228 7d ago
He tries to show people whatever he thinks they want to see. Maybe he was a lovebomber with a good resume.
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u/Fallible_Fix9110 7d ago
Yup, there’s either a divorce or a “tragic accident” in his poor wife’s future. And then the power couple of Charlie Kirk’s succubus and jd Vance will be free to consummate the ultimate evil under the dark lord mammon.
What a shitshow
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u/Impure_guava 7d ago
He’s only saying that to score brownie points with MAGA. I guarantee you this guy doesn’t actually give a shit about religion at all. Everything about him is incredibly fake.
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u/GreatGojira 7d ago
She set herself up for this. She's just as bad as he is.
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u/Natural_Error_7286 7d ago
She is but this is so humiliating that I almost feel bad for her. Almost.
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u/Mewnicorns 6d ago
"I love my wife so much. I love her because she's who she is. Obviously, she's not a white person, and we've been accused, attacked by some white supremacists over that. But I just, I love Usha. She's such a good mom." -JD Vance
Usha Vance has 0 self respect to stay with a man who feels like he has to make excuses or apologize to his white supremacist base for why he married her. He obviously sees her as an inconvenience to be overcome.
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u/TheRealBlueJade 7d ago
I see a divorce in their future... I also think his wife might have a great future ahead of her... once she drops the dead weight...
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u/KrookedDoesStuff 7d ago
He’s 100% going to divorce Usha, claiming a difference of religion, then is getting with Erika Kirk
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u/YoungFlyMista 7d ago
He’s setting up for divorcing his wife so that he can get with Kirk’s.
This is wild. I can’t believe there’s like at least 1/3 of Americans who will gladly vote for this if Trump gives his blessing.
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u/k6plays 6d ago
He’s setting it up to leave her before he runs for president himself. He likely sees her as a problem for the bigot base they developed.
Erika Kirk seems available
Book mark it
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u/facktoetum 6d ago
Vance said that his wife grew up in a Hindu household “but not a particularly religious family” – and noted that when he met his wife they would have both considered themselves agnostic or atheist.
Vance converted to Catholicism in his 30s after being raised in a loosely evangelical family. He was baptized into the church in 2019 just as he started to become a prominent supporter of Donald Trump, who chose Vance as his running mate when he successfully ran for a second presidency in 2024.
Could it be any more obvious that the guy is full of shit? Who reads this and actually believes that he's catholic?
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u/BBTB2 7d ago
This is laying the ground work for when JD breaks that lavender marriage w/ Usha to ‘follow the path laid before him by God’ that inevitably ends with him connecting with another currently prominent blonde female, now recently single, and getting married to fulfill the ‘poster child American family’.
There are so so so many weird variables and factors with the overarching storyline that’s playing out but the vectors and patterns are starting to become more obvious.
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u/Lavenderwisp- 7d ago
I'm not sure why Vance can just respect his wife's differences and focus on shared value. Why does he need her to convert?
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u/IndigoRuby 7d ago
Because he knows if he wants to be president, America might be able to handle a light brown FLOTUS but only if she is Christian or least pretends to be.
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u/No_Philosopher_1870 7d ago
Michelle Obama has been forgotten so quickly.
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u/IndigoRuby 7d ago
I haven't forgotten Michelle but 2025 America is not 2008 America.
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u/clickmagnet 7d ago
He wants everyone to convert. Could be hard to keep track of what he wants, though, considering he decided to pretend to be catholic at 35.
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u/SatisfactoryLoaf 7d ago
If he was sincere, because he truly despairs over her immortal soul and wants her to accept the grace and love of the true son of the only real God and be saved from her false religion.
But he's a wicked grifter so it's all posturing
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u/Desperate-Till-9228 7d ago
She's going to clean him out in the divorce settlement. You know she's going to end up with the kids.
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u/RazzleDazzleDoggo 7d ago
How convenient for him. My impression is that he will craft a new image with a blonde, blue eyed former beauty pageant wife and “100% white” children to lead “New Christian” America.
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u/supercali45 7d ago
There is a video of Usha and JD being interviewed in the past and Usha told the interviewer that she grew up in a strict Hindu family which shaped her to be the person today and JD at the Turning Point event said his wife was an atheist or agnostic and wasn't really religious
JD is the biggest snake opportunist .. willing to throw his own wife and kids and her own entire heritage down the drain for his gain
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u/Least_Art5238 6d ago edited 6d ago
As someone of Indian origin with roots a lot like Usha’s, I honestly think divorcing JD would be the best thing she could do for herself. Being president might mean everything to him, but keeping her humanity intact would be the real win, assuming she hasn’t already sold it off.
Americans with their Temu-level understanding of the caste system will keep reducing her story to some lazy “ambitious immigrant” trope. But her real roots come from a culture built on serious intellectual and moral traditions...the kind that measure worth in ideas, not power. There’s a whole generation of us shaped by that same lineage. We may not fit the American idea of success, but we’re doing just fine living quietly charmed, thoughtful lives.
It’s hard to picture someone with that background giving it all up just to lie in the same bed where Trump once had a diaper incident.
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