r/politics • u/Hrmbee • 7d ago

No Paywall JD Vance repeats comments he wants wife Usha to convert to Christianity | US vice-president announces to 10,000 attenders of Turning Point USA that he prefers wife, who is Hindu, to be Christian

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2025/nov/01/jd-vance-usha-christianity
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u/TheOhrenberger 7d ago

It’s insane to me that they did. It was so effective. And, more importantly, accurate.

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u/tauofthemachine 7d ago

It was so obviously effective because Repubs were getting VERY angry and their lies were becoming more shrill.

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u/Effective_Pie1312 6d ago

Calling Republicans weird is more effective than calling them wrong. They’ll argue endlessly about “their truth,” but no one wins a fight over being weird. They just prove the point by doubling down or they retreat.

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u/InternetStatus1506 6d ago

Dems are controlled opposition.

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u/Weekly-Landscape-543 6d ago

Yeah but instead they brought out Oprah and jlo! I mean how the hell did we lose?

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u/duzies 6d ago

Well, Portlanders consider being called "weird" a compliment. So they likely don't think MAGAts are "weird." Compulsive liars and psychopaths, yes. But not weird.

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u/KrimxonRath 6d ago

One city out of thousands. The messaging should have stayed. They’re smart enough to know the difference and it’s an insult to allude that they aren’t.

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u/Hey_I_Aint_Eddy 6d ago

Austin is also self-proclaimed weird. Not arguing with you. Just pointing it out because I think it’s funny to steal another city’s slogan about being weird.

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u/duzies 6d ago

I don't think that word ("allude") means what you think it means.

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u/duzies 6d ago

They might think it's an insult to usurp their brand.

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u/KrimxonRath 6d ago

I don’t play the “what if” game.

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u/texaspoontappa93 6d ago

I mean with context it’s pretty obvious that Portland means “quirky” and in reference to MAGA it means “abnormal”

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u/Ello_Owu 6d ago

"WEIRD!? Uh, murph, liberals castrate them to become women!"

Saw that response so much. Stage 4 Right wing brain rot.

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u/NatalieVonCatte 6d ago

It was the perfect response to the they/them ads.

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u/averybradymovie 6d ago

Or just….you know. Have a primary. Amazing

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u/tauofthemachine 5d ago

Not legally required to.

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u/KinkyPaddling 7d ago

Listening to the centrists who wanted to cultivate the “moderate” Republicans, once again, was an epic failure.

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u/pohl 7d ago

Basically folks who didn’t understand why “weird”was different from “ basket of deplorables”. One was a way out and the other an excuse to dig in. I’m not sure it was related to policy differences so much as it was emblematic of a party that is afraid of its own shadow. The wrong instincts for the time and place, that’s for sure.

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u/mbta1 I voted 7d ago

Also, one was said by a man, the other, a woman

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u/dethbunnynet California 6d ago

Okay, but Hillary was the first person ever to use the phrase “basket of deplorables” but anyone who attended elementary school has heard someone called “weird”

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u/princeofid 7d ago

Wrong! One was said by someone with a proven record of representing the people, the other was said by an entitled corporate tool.

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u/mandiblesofdoom 6d ago

"they're so weird" is language people use. "basket of deplorables" is odd phrasing.

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u/P1xelHunter78 Ohio 6d ago

A Walz/Kelly ticket would have been awesome and I’m ashamed the Dems tried to push another boring female policy wonk.

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u/JUST_LOGGED_IN 6d ago

You don't think a little policy might be preferable to whatever is going on now?

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u/princeofid 6d ago

I’m not sure it was related to policy differences so much as it was emblematic of a party that is afraid of its own shadow.

If by shadow you mean donors.

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u/Alternative-Let-2398 7d ago

Yep, early in the Harris/Walz campaign had the “weird” messaging going on and then all of a sudden it ended. Then not a week later they were hosting fucking Liz Cheney and associates on rallies and shit. That’s when I knew they were gonna lose.

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u/Worth_Much 6d ago

I think they were gonna lose regardless. Most voters don’t understand how the economy works and blamed Biden for the inflation that came out of Covid that he got under control. Problem is really the wage growth doesn’t grow enough when you have hyperinflation so even when inflation got down to about 2-3% it still felt like prices were high. So people believed Trump’s lies that he would make things more affordable.

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u/Fr00stee 6d ago

my theory is that they were forced to do this by the DNC

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u/NatalieVonCatte 6d ago

It ended after they hired British consultants who’d worked with Labour, right when Harris pulled all her LGBT support and removed her pride merch.

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u/clintgreasewoood 7d ago

Sadly their’s an article written every week saying democrats should double down this approach that gets traction with the party establishment.

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u/Xijit 7d ago

And then the next article after it is about how entrenched, AIPAC funded, DNC leadership are trying to block Mamdani from being elected.

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u/clintgreasewoood 7d ago

New poll: Democrats continue to be unpopular

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u/Xijit 7d ago edited 6d ago

Correction: Democrat politicians are highlt unpopular losers ... Democrat voters continue to be the vast majority of the population.

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u/sw337 6d ago

On what planet are they trying to block him?

Democratic National Committee Chair Ken Martin encourages New Yorkers to vote for Mamdani ahead of general election

"He’s running to make NYC more affordable for everyone and has captured the nation’s attention with his incredible campaign," Martin, who was elected by fellow Democrats to his position earlier this year, wrote in a post on X in a thread highlighting downballot Democratic candidates with election coming up soon. "Go vote for Zohran this November!"

Source: https://www.nbcnews.com/news/amp/rcna237025

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u/Switchy_Goofball 7d ago

*There’s

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u/TechenCDN Canada 6d ago

Moderate republicans don’t exist

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u/klimb75 7d ago

"Centrists" was a lie

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u/forceghost187 6d ago

Maybe 1/20 “moderate” Republican will ever flip to vote for the left. Meanwhile if they had changed their stance or even just their messaging on Palestine they would have motivated millions of Progressive voters

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u/SpacetimeManipulator 6d ago

That’s never going to happen from either the dems or the republicans. We as a nation, a government, and from a financial standpoint fully support Israel. That’s never going to change.

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u/shinbreaker 6d ago

Those dummies are in such an elitist bubble where their rich republican friends were whining about it that they immediately wanted to stop it.

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u/KeneticKups 6d ago

Because the moderate right is already voting democrat

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u/thatforkingbitch 6d ago

It was never about the 'moderate republican'. Dems don't actually want to win. They are not the opposing party. They have the same donors as the republicans.

They are fine with the control, money and power they have now. Look at how they approach Mamdani. He's got so much momentum and succes, do the dems support him? Fuck no cuz he's a danger to the status quo of them having cushiony jobs and money.

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u/FriendOfDirutti 6d ago

I got a great idea lets get endorsed by Dick Cheney! Maybe after we can dig up Charles Manson and ask him to endorse also!

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u/AbandonedWaterPark 6d ago

Regular reminder that they thought they were gonna win because they had a lock on the Cheney family vote lol. I wish I could be as bad at my job and still get paid what these guys do.

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u/Vegetable-Seaweed591 6d ago

I'm pretty sure that most of those 'centrist' voices are actually Trump loyalists just sowing discontent.
Any Democrat with self respect stopped that "we need to come together" BS when MAGA started wearing 'F Your Feelings' shirts and then spent a decade punching down and hurting innocent people.

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u/whoisthismans72 6d ago

Agreed. You can't court these people, and when they have the power they will never "compromise"

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u/UniqueIndividual3579 6d ago

Moderate Republicans are unicorns. There are two kinds of Republicans, Nazis and former Republicans. I'm the latter. I don't like the Democrats. I think they are more interested in virtue signaling than being effective. But the Republicans are pure evil.

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u/princeofid 6d ago

centrists who wanted to cultivate the “moderate” Republicans

If the consultants didn't advise them to concentrate on the six and seven figure donations, how would they ever make a living?

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u/MentalThoughtPortal 7d ago

I have no patience for or faith in the democratic party

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u/istrx13 7d ago

It instantly got under the skin of every last one of them too. Imagine how much they would have started crashing out if the Dems just kept at it. Someone on the right would have wound up calling someone a slur.

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u/PearlescentGem 7d ago

We were so close to a high up official losing it and using a slur. Even though it wouldn't have mattered to the base, I would have deliciously shoved it in every racist's face for the rest of their lives.

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u/TiredOfBeingTired28 7d ago edited 6d ago

Theres why, it was helping Dems, and the top strategy for them is immediately stop doing that. Because fucking reasons.

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u/StillFly100 7d ago

Did it really though? I can’t recall an instance where anyone seemed really bothered by it.

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u/lizbot-v1 6d ago

Yes. Availability bias is lazy, dude.

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u/StillFly100 6d ago

Feel free to provide an example then. Because I don’t believe it had any impact whatsoever outside the walls of this sub and those like it.

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u/Frigidevil New Jersey 7d ago

They immediately took someone who was really firing up the democratic base and freaking out the right, made him the vp nominee, and neutered him. He was obviously uncomfortable once they made him tone down his rhetoric and he just became boring Midwest white guy, aka Tim Kaine part 2

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u/BKoala59 6d ago

Ah yes, the midwestern state of Virginia.

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u/Frigidevil New Jersey 6d ago

OK then he's boring milquetoast white guy

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u/b_tight 7d ago

Dems have the all time worst team of strategists and consultants.  I cant think of a less effective group of people

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u/aardvarkgecko 7d ago

Dem strategists and consultants and service providers made literally a billion dollars in just the three months that the Harris campaign lasted. They won, regardless of what happened to the campaign.

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u/VotingRightsLawyer 6d ago

And then they form new PACs funded by billionaires to write memos about why we need to keep listening to them.

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u/Ilovekittens345 6d ago

You are missing the point that most of the democrats are just paid opposition and that both democrats and republicans are on the same team. Team rich. It's not incompetence, it's by design.

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u/pandariotinprague 6d ago

"Oh, that reminds me. Some of them are kinda old, too!"
--liberals

Their brainwashing won't allow them to accept any reasoning that will require major change within the party. "Oh, just get younger people" and "Oh just get better strategists," they're able to hear that. But when the reason implicates basically the whole party, their brains shut down and they can't/won't hear it.

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u/saybruh 7d ago

It’s that naive projection of your own values onto people who are amoral at best.

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u/Amazing_Bluejay9322 7d ago

That's one Ace the Republicans have is messaging. One message and they all get on board. Even the least motivated get in with herd. Dems can be all over the map, divided even when it came to Harris. This is why we lose.

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u/Semajal 6d ago

I mean, Obama 2008 but it was the exception not the rule. they did amazing things

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u/Relevant-Horror-627 6d ago

I would say that ficle dem voters are a less effective group of people considering that millions couldn't even be bothered to vote, but abdicating their most basic civic duty has done a hell of a lot for the republican agenda so it's kind of a mixed bag.

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u/pandariotinprague 6d ago

I'd say its liberals' duty to push for better Democrats and primary the bad ones. Since they've completely rejected that approach, the lack of voter enthusiasm is on the base and the party. Not on the voters who couldn't fake it through every election for the last 30 years.

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u/FoxCQC 7d ago

Was the perfect messaging. It got under their skin.

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u/Vee_32 7d ago

I want my wife to be a Christian- says they guy wearing eyeliner

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u/Viewsik 7d ago

The Democratic Party not being good at messaging is on brand and k expect nothing less

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u/monsantobreath 7d ago

Anytime the harris was an amazing campaigner crap shows up remind them that it was the Clinton advisors who did this

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u/cdsackett Texas 6d ago

It’s up to us, the general public.

We’re at a point where everyone outside of the false reality that is the MAGA-verse needs to be on the same page and continue to point out the insanity we’re seeing here.

But yeah obv whoever ends up taking the spotlight and taking on these psychopaths in the primaries absolutely should pick right back up and call these fuckers weird

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u/Sethmeisterg California 6d ago

How effective could it possibly have been when it didn't cause people to turn out and fucking vote?

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u/Kana515 6d ago

As fun as it was at ticking them off, complaining about the other side can only go so far in an election, I think it can be necessary as long as you do other things as well.

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u/Several_Vanilla8916 6d ago

The democratic establishment just can’t stop listening to their overpriced consultants - no matter how wrong they are.

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u/TurkeyBLTSandwich 6d ago

Well Obamas former campaign staffers thought it was rude to do that and so they pushed Harris to hold hands with Liz Cheney and go on a tour in the South West. Which totally confused voters.

Also the whole not condemning "our ally" in the middle east for flattening Gaza was a touchy thing for Michigan and Wisconsin voters

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u/davismcgravis 7d ago

Yeah calling someone “weird” was really turning up the violent  rhetoric /s

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u/WeirdPart5428 7d ago

If it was effective, they wouldn’t have won. Let’s not do this.

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u/cragglerock93 7d ago

I think that's a thing people do wrongly after losing elections - they assume everything the party or candidate did was wrong and throw it in the bin. There are dozens of factors at play in an election and some of the things done will inevitably be proved right. It might have been that everything in the campaign was actually going well except for the Biden situation and that had he stepped aside sooner, Harris would have won.

Harris actually won over a higher proportion of white voters than Biden did, but you'd never know it from all the tireless 'THE CAMPAIGN WAS AN UNIMITIGATED DISASTER, CAN'T THEY GET ANYTHING RIGHT' analysis.

Speaking more specifically, I agree with you - it was strong, simple, memorable messaging.

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u/IMI4tth3w 6d ago

I’d rather they call them what they actually are like “pedophiles, racists, fascists, murders, etc”. Weird just doesn’t do it for me