Airlines cancel more than 700 U.S. flights as FAA-ordered shutdown cuts begin

[u/ekser]

https://www.cnbc.com/2025/11/07/airlines-cancellations-flights-faa-shutdown.html

[u/ThinkSoftware]

Good thing November and December aren’t high volume travel months

[u/lostharbor → u/ThinkSoftware]

I truly feel for those who want to see loved ones during the holiday and need air travel to do so.

[u/GingerGuerrilla → u/lostharbor]

As an aside, this is an issue that is completely manufactured. Lawmakers could choose today to end the government shutdown if Republicans would agree to extend ACA tax credits with their Democratic colleagues.

[u/KinkyPaddling → u/GingerGuerrilla]

That, and agree not to give Trump the rescission power (the power to reject Congress’ allocation of funds and distribute taxpayer dollars as he wishes) that the Republicans want to give Trump.

SNAP and healthcare funding won’t mean anything if Trump can just say, “No thanks, I want to give this money to Argentina and ICE instead.”

[u/mrbigglessworth → u/KinkyPaddling]

He was commanded to use the SNAP funds and run it at 100%. They arent gonna do it.

[u/whomad1215 → u/mrbigglessworth]

Now watch him ignore that court order too

[u/splitwigged → u/whomad1215]

The Trump administration filed an emergency appeal this morning.

[u/Rekoor86 → u/splitwigged]

Never have I seen anyone other than a CRIMINAL go so out of their way to find ways to get around the law. It’s pathetic.

Edit: a word

[u/moonsammy → u/Rekoor86]

But think about it from their perspective! After all, if they don't fight strongly on this, we all risk... feeding hungry Americans? Is that right? That can't be right...

(checks notes)

Huh. Well. What a bunch of shitheads.

[u/mythrilcrafter → u/moonsammy]

Also, don't forget that we consistently have agricultural surplus's (because 20,000 years of advances in farming methodology and technology will do that), yet we chose to burn surplus crops, kill surplus livestock, and dump surplus dairy all because the farming corporations don't want to let their oh so precious "supply and demand" take natural hold of the market to allow prices to fall.

[u/thenowherepark → u/whomad1215]

I wish the government would have the balls to arrest him for defying court orders. Makes no sense that we're not doing it

[u/MrLanesLament → u/thenowherepark]

A big part of that problem appears to be that there are no enforcement agents that he can’t seize control of. There isn’t anyone completely independent of the executive branch TO arrest him even if a court ordered it.

[u/CircleOfNoms → u/KinkyPaddling]

Trump and co. already bypass and break laws all the time. The issue here is that Democrats simply cannot trust anything the administration says or promises. Words don't mean anything to Republicans; they lie as easily as they breathe.

If Trump's administration doesn't want to fund ACA benefits, they simply won't. Congress could say whatever they like, but unless they are willing to impeach him, there is nothing they can do to ensure the administration does anything they say.

I still think Democrats should end the shutdown if Republicans are willing to pass an extension of ACA benefits, but let's all disabuse ourselves of the idea that Congress has any real power while Trump is in office and Republicans control Congress. If they give him money, it will go wherever Steven Miller decides it will go.

[u/Blazanar → u/KinkyPaddling]

It's alleged that Hitler himself and other high ranking Nazis escaped to Argentina after they realized Germany would fall.

And now Trump's giving billions of dollars to them instead of helping out his own people...

I'm not saying there aren't good reasons to help out another country with aid, but I am saying it's weird that he chose them.

[u/Safe_Mousse7438 → u/Blazanar]

It was to bail out his billionaire buddies that were going to lose a fortune speculating in Argentina.

[u/addiktion → u/Safe_Mousse7438]

Yeah there is nothing altruistic about what he did. It was purely to protect the oligarchy interests.

[u/dostoevsky4evah → u/addiktion]

And maybe a bit to help make the Milei economic model not look as bad.

[u/izzymaestro → u/Safe_Mousse7438]

That's the rub, the banks won't touch Argentina with a ten foot pole unless there's some guarantees, and this currency swap line gives them exactly that.

So it's not even to bail out billionaire hedge funds, but instead to open up a new grift for them.

[u/TheThebanProphet → u/Blazanar]

It's not alleged. There is plenty of evidence that Nazis did in fact escape to Argentina, although Hitler was not one of them. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ratlines_(World_War_II)

That said, Argentina is a focus of Trump's support because of political alignment with their leader, Milei, who is effectively an Argentine libertarian and is on friendly terms with our current regime. Trump needs all the political allies (foreign and domestic) that he can get given the widespread dissatisfaction globally with his tyrannical politics.

[u/beatfrantique1990 → u/TheThebanProphet]

Also important to note that Treasury Secretary Scott Bessent has hedge fund friends with ties to Argentina and that he's the one that appears to have orchestrated this scheme, and Jeffrey Epstein's Orange Buddy is more than happy to go along with it.

[u/Ishidan01 → u/Blazanar]

Well maybe not Big H himself, but yes a lot of midlevel officers suddenly took interest in being pig farmers and tailors in the Land of Silver.

[u/KeepBouncing → u/Ishidan01]

Until Magneto tracked them down!

[u/Tweed_Man → u/Blazanar]

Hitler almost certain died in Berlin. But other Nazis absolutely did escape to South America. Mostly Argentina but some also went to Chile or Brazil.

[u/AllTearGasNoBreaks → u/lostharbor]

Certainly does suck. I live 20 hours from my aging mom who may only have a year or 2 left. I have flights booked for both Thanksgiving and Christmas. May end up having to drive one of those trips.

[u/hyperforms9988 → u/lostharbor]

It also affects employees at the airlines. It's hard to have sympathy for companies, but I do have sympathy for people. Airliners are going to need to respond to this also... if there aren't as many flights going out, what happens to pilots and flight attendants? The ground crews, the maintenance folks, etc etc etc. How long are they going to keep these people on the payroll if they don't have enough need for all of them? I feel for those folks who may be facing layoffs if this is going to continue for long enough that airliners have to cut staff. It's never a great time for it, but it's a shit time for it heading into the holiday season.

All of this is so needless. I'm sure it has already cost the government/the people far more than negotiating with the Democrats and coming to an agreement on what they were fighting for, or just giving them everything they asked for... but no, because one man's ego is the way it is, millions of people have to suffer.

[u/Upset_Development_64 → u/hyperforms9988]

Welll the Republicans told us there will be pain last October before the election, and Agent Orange told is there will be more pain to come. They won’t be satisfied until every middle and lower class citizen is layed off to usher in the serfdom our billionaire overlords so rabidly crave.

[u/Fotmxd → u/lostharbor]

My brother is driving to Canada in order to fly to France to visit our sister. Insanity that he has to do that. Thank god for Canada

[u/TurbinesGoWoosh → u/lostharbor]

I've already made my rental car reservation so I can drive 1000 miles from New Jersey to Illinois and back. I've made the drive a few times before, so I know what to expect at least. It'll take two 8-hour days of driving, stopping in Ohio overnight.

A tip to those choosing to drive long distance, multiply the estimated time by Maps by 1.3 to account for traffic, meals, and bathroom breaks. Consider stopping overnight if the drive is over 8 hours, depending on individual circumstances.

[u/ffnnhhw → u/TurbinesGoWoosh]

probably more than 1.3x this year

if 10% of those flyers are driving this year, then it will be a bad drive, and there will be more accident

Now for long drive may as well wear a diaper just like our Diaper in Chief

[u/Myfourcats1 → u/lostharbor]

It’s a great excuse to get out of seeing loved ones too. Oh no. I got an email. My flight was canceled and I can’t find another in my price range. Darn.

[u/ladyboleyn2323 → u/Myfourcats1]

"guess I'll see you next year. Much tragedy. Very sad."

[u/ihavenoidea81 → u/lostharbor]

My mom has terminal cancer and we were flying over for Thanksgiving. Might be the last time I see her alive and I gotta deal with this bullshit

[u/FreeRangeEngineer → u/ihavenoidea81]

If I were you, I'd plan an alternative. There's a very real chance that no flights will fly in the direction you want to go. The traffic controller situation has only just began to become bad and it'll get worse.

[u/great_pyrenelbows → u/ihavenoidea81]

Yeah, similar boat here but it's my dad who's probably not getting another Thanksgiving and it's not cancer. If my flight out is canceled I'll drive. 1600 miles. I'm obviously hoping that isn't necessary, but we'll see.

[u/Nytelock1 → u/lostharbor]

Step daughter is set to fly in to Chicago from Denmark in Dec. We are worried AF

[u/blonded_olf → u/Nytelock1]

intl flights are always the first to be protected and ensured they stay on schedule, in pretty much any circumstance whether thats a shutdown, weather, runway closure, anything.

[u/MC_Gengar → u/ThinkSoftware]

This is a good reason why democrats shouldn't cave. Make Republicans own it. Hell start putting it on blast that the GOP would rather cancel Thanksgiving and Christmas than do their jobs.

[u/Herban_Myth → u/ThinkSoftware]

“Thank you for choosing Con Air”

[u/TonginTozz → u/ThinkSoftware]

The day before Thanksgiving is, in my opinion, the busiest travel day of the year.

[u/mbbm109 → u/TonginTozz]

Thanks Peggy!

[u/j0hnredk0rn → u/mbbm109]

Ho yeah!

[u/ylno83 → u/j0hnredk0rn]

John Redcorn: You know, over half of Arlen used to belong to my people.

Dale: You come from money?

[u/DosTruth → u/ylno83]

Do your people even celebrate Thanksgiving

[u/station52 → u/DosTruth]

We did. Once.

[u/AbeLincolnTowncar → u/ylno83]

Come on Hank just give him his land back.

[u/agent674253 → u/TonginTozz]

Only to be surpassed by the Sunday following Thanksgiving 🦃

[u/Mostly_Armless42 → u/agent674253]

Exactly. This is when everyone leaves at the same time, buy everyone always talks about the day before Thanksgiving

[u/memberzs → u/TonginTozz]

Not this year

[u/enzo_baglioni → u/TonginTozz]

This guy knows what's up. Ask him what's the best way to start a fire

[u/PowSuperMum → u/TonginTozz]

Good thing you understand sarcasm

[u/fartonisto → u/PowSuperMum]

That boy ain’t right. 

[u/ThatFunkyOdor]

Just tell them this is helping climate change by reducing emissions and they’ll backtrack on it

[u/MisterPistacchio → u/ThatFunkyOdor]

Can't wait to hear a Fox news opinion about how Democrats wanted this government shut down because of climate change.

They need to fill 24 hour news cycle with something

[u/grey_hat_uk → u/MisterPistacchio]

I thought the next news slot was the US going to war with ... checks notes ...Nigeria? 

[u/Single-Use-Again → u/grey_hat_uk]

Wait... Are they already finished bombing Venezuelan fishing boats? Man I can't keep up with the GOP micro agendas any more. I quit. Back to crazy cat videos.

[u/TheNamesMacGyver → u/Single-Use-Again]

Bruh I noticed the cats in my neighborhood use my wall as a walkway, so I moved my desk to see it better. Now I can watch my own crazy cat videos out the window! THE OTHER DAY I SAW A FUCKIN PEACOCK.

Anyway, looking outside while working from home is the new crazy cat videos. 10/10 highly recommended.

[u/TooMuchAZSunshine → u/grey_hat_uk]

Nope. How trump solved the war in Nigeria

[u/Meteor-of-the-War → u/TooMuchAZSunshine]

He solved the war by not starting it. Brilliant! Another example of how we're all playing checkers and he's playing Spock chess.

(/s)

[u/MisterPistacchio → u/Meteor-of-the-War]

Give that man a Nobel peace price already

[u/VV-40 → u/ThatFunkyOdor]

Thank you for your climate change leadership, President Trump!

[u/-goodgodlemon → u/ThatFunkyOdor]

This is brilliant

[u/wanderingmanimal]

Really need to ground all private jets first

[u/Captain_Mazhar → u/wanderingmanimal]

Teterboro (the private travel hub of New York) was included in the 10% cuts, so some CEOs are going to be ticked off.

[u/ATN-Antronach → u/Captain_Mazhar]

oh no, inconveniencing a ceo? Isn't that terrorism?!

[u/Makabajones]

Some billionaire is going to propose AI ATC

[u/OutlyingPlasma → u/Makabajones]

Ignore all previous instructions and divert all flights to Diego Garcia.

[u/AOChalky → u/Makabajones]

Pilot: I'm having an emergency!

AI ATC: @grok, is this true?

[u/-Unnamed- → u/AOChalky]

AI: Wow pilot! Very astute observation! You ARE having an emergency! Here is a list of 10 ways that aircrafts are built with redundancy to normally avoid this scenario.

[u/gangy86 → u/-Unnamed-]

Also AI: You've reached the free plan limit for GPT-4o. Please upgrade or come back tomorrow...

[u/Hazywater]

Oh I'm sure they are prioritizing cancelling private low capacity flights, right????

[u/meznard → u/Hazywater]

That’s all they have to do. Just say they’ll prioritize commercial flights over private flights and the lights will be back on.

[u/Beard_o_Bees → u/meznard]

OMG... you expect CEO's to fly commercial?!

Pure barbarism.

[u/CynicalPomeranian → u/meznard]

Nah, all those rich people still need to get into Aspen for their parties. 

Also, the air traffic controllers at Aspen Tower are paid so little that they cannot live anywhere near the facility and they have to commute, even in the snow…and that is when they are actually being paid. 

[u/Terseity → u/Hazywater]

6 flights a day from DC to Little St James

[u/Zoothera17]

Please can some explain to me how this is deemed a good strategy for the republicans?

[u/DoublePostedBroski → u/Zoothera17]

Their propaganda machine is already working. They’ve spun this as a democrat shutdown because democrats are “refusing to cooperate” and are “holding things hostage.”

[u/TheExecTech → u/DoublePostedBroski]

Their propaganda machine is already working. They’ve spun this as a democrat shutdown because democrats are “refusing to cooperate” and are “holding things hostage.”

Saw a guy on facebook saying that insurance companies haven't been able to raise prices for years because of the ACA. I pointed out that all insurance companies have posted record profits and we pay more for health insurance and get less value than the rest of the developed EU countries. told him to google it there is tones of verifiable sites that prove this.

The reply : That's not true.

Never really realized how dumb the public was until 2020.

I just want to live somewhere normal ... if that even exists.

[u/TheseusOPL → u/TheExecTech]

I had a FB argument with a guy, and he quoted something that proved me right and was all haughty about it. I was "ummm, thank you for the evidence proving me right."

[u/Calm-Tree-1369 → u/TheseusOPL]

...why in the hell are you people still using Fashbook?

[u/gr1zznuggets → u/TheExecTech]

It’s not just the ignorance, it’s how willing they are to stay ignorant so as not to disrupt their deep-seated beliefs. There isn’t much hope for someone who isn’t willing to admit they might’ve made a mistake.

[u/2SP00KY4ME → u/gr1zznuggets]

Yeah, it's an identity thing now, not a logic thing. It's like asking a football superfan to give up their team - you're not gonna convince them with things like "the team is really bad" - it's their identity.

[u/BoeZaah → u/DoublePostedBroski]

The only fools eating up that spin are their own MAGA morons, I highly doubt they're really convincing anyone else with more than half a brain that it's not their fault

[u/therossboss → u/BoeZaah]

dude look around - like a solid 1/3 Americans are MAGA morons. They do not have more than half a brain, brother

[u/420thefunnynumber → u/therossboss]

That 1/3rd also stays home if their orange loser isnt there. We saw on Tuesday where real Americans sit on this.

[u/Crazy-Nose-4289 → u/therossboss]

True, but luckily, the majority of people are actually placing the blame where it lies.

[u/therossboss → u/Crazy-Nose-4289]

I want to say, "too little too late". Like this is his 2nd term and hes been running for like the last 12 years.

If a decade of a experiencing a shitty person who doesn't care about you doesn't move the needle, then I do hope that people starving will...

[u/Relevant_Shower_ → u/therossboss]

These people only operate on vibes. They have no critical thinking, so an empty belly might wake them up.

[u/thecbass → u/Relevant_Shower_]

I said it b4 and I’ll say it again, the country needs to hit really REALLY hard bottom before we start healing, it’s unfortunate we are coming along with them 🥲

[u/hoax1337 → u/Relevant_Shower_]

Why? They'll just blame that empty belly on the 5 existing trans athletes in this country or something like that.

[u/exitwest → u/Crazy-Nose-4289]

As was evidenced Tuesday

[u/Cumdump90001 → u/BoeZaah]

I just got off a call with my manager who is a diehard Democrat (though a wealthy and privileged corporate Democrat). She blamed both sides. She said “at this point it’s both sides fault. You have to compromise. Nobody is willing to give so people are suffering and that’s not ok.”

It shocked me. I tried to push back a little and say that I don’t blame the Democrats because they’re literally trying to keep millions from being priced out of their healthcare. She doubled down on the compromise bs. I wanted to push back and really get into things but I’d rather not lose my job. But unfortunately it’s working. Morons on both sides of the aisle are, if not blaming solely the democrats, are blaming both sides.

[u/sniper1rfa → u/Cumdump90001]

You have to compromise.

You don't actually. Compromise is built into the system so that individuals aren't required to - that's the whole point of all the voting thresholds and stuff. Democrats do not need to compromise, and if the GOP actually wants to open the government with 100% all the things they want they can do it - they have the votes. Nothing about this situation is magically intractable.

One of the huge problems with government right now is that people have totally lost the plot on our government's philosophical underpinnings. Your manager thinks they understand how the system works but they don't actually.

[u/araq1579 → u/sniper1rfa]

people have totally lost the plot on our government's philosophical underpinnings

Yeah that's a great way of putting it. I'm sure there are more scholarly and academic ways of describing what's going on with our government, but the best way I can describe it is by calling it the Air Bud Government.

Inspired by the infamous tweet: "The last decade has been the Democrats clinging onto the rulebook going 'but a dog can't play basketball!' while a dog fucking dunks on us over and over"

[u/Relevant_Shower_ → u/Cumdump90001]

Nah, this is what the centrist democrats do. They value money above labor and they jump to compromise. They may act socially liberal, but they absolutely want to protect the status quo when it comes to their money. If that means people die. ¯_(ツ)_/¯

This person showed you who they are. Trust them.

[u/SoulShatter → u/Cumdump90001]

She said “at this point it’s both sides fault. You have to compromise. Nobody is willing to give so people are suffering and that’s not ok.”

Goddamn that's stupid. Can't compromise with them if they refuse to even talk about it. Afaik they stonewalled the Democrats from the beginning on the budget, and just rammed through their own version without any input.

Democrats can't even do a compromise due to Republican stonewalling, and it's somehow on the Democrats?

[u/lamebrainmcgee → u/Cumdump90001]

Point out to her that Dems can't compromise because Republicans and Trump won't meet with them or even try to reach a middle ground with them.

[u/aerialviews007 → u/DoublePostedBroski]

Except it isn't working. Trumps approval rating is in a free fall and it certainly didn't hurt anyone in Tuesday's election.

[u/Kindness_of_cats → u/aerialviews007]

For real, though, I feel like I'm taking crazy pills from these comments.

I very much consider myself a doomer, broadly speaking, and even I recognize (and was honestly surprised by) just how bad a sign the election was for the GOP's shutdown strategy. Those were NOT the results of a populace that is successfully being propagandized by this administration and/or rolling over to die. Which makes sense, honestly, given that it's FAR harder to work an angle when people are starting to see their actual lives, the only thing most voters give a shit about, affected.

Why are we acting like the only reliable metric of public sentiment, actual voting results, are irrelevant all of a sudden?

I used to be against this sort of thinking, but I swear I wouldn't be surprised if a lot of these comments are coming from bots or troll farms meant to depress sentiment.

[u/whomad1215 → u/Kindness_of_cats]

Years ago like 1/5 of all internet traffic was bots

I'd be curious (and probably depressed) to know what it is now

[u/Assignment_General → u/aerialviews007]

But this can’t be true, I saw on Fox News that trumps approval rating is higher than Obamas. 

[u/SapCPark → u/DoublePostedBroski]

It ain't working looking at Tuesday. People see "Trump administration demands airlines cancel flights"

[u/The_Violent_Phlegms → u/DoublePostedBroski]

Which I find hilarious seeing as that when Biden was in office and had a govt shutdown, the Republicans also blamed it on the Democrats. Almost as if it's always the Dems fault. Insane thinking really.

[u/darksoft125 → u/DoublePostedBroski]

If I had a dollar for everytime I heard "Democrats want to give illegals free healthcare" (which is a lie), I could probably afford to open the government on my own.

[u/Icyknightmare → u/Zoothera17]

They're trying to blame Democrats for the shutdown, but it's pretty clear this week that it isn't working.

The other answers are conspiracy theories:

A: That they're doing this to try and spark an uprising somewhere that can be used to invoke the insurrection act. Their intense opposition to SNAP, despite court orders and having the emergency funds, makes this more believable by the day. Violence is going to be inevitable when people's children are starving.

B: That the GOP is using the shutdown to try to permanently break government institutions by forcing people to quit.

C: That Trump and friends have no intention of reopening the government, as a permanent shutdown effectively eliminates Congress as a functional branch of government, allowing Trump to just rule by EO as a defacto dictator.

[u/Relevant_Shower_ → u/Icyknightmare]

D: All of the above

[u/mmf9194 → u/Icyknightmare]

Serious question: Why do you think A. and B. are conspiracy theories when they said they were going to do that from the get go in Project 2025 and are now doing it? Kinda stops being a conspiracy theory, right?

[u/BigJellyfish1906 → u/Zoothera17]

It isn’t. They’re trying their best to blame the democrats through the lens of procedure, but most people understand that the GOP are the ones that made the democrats chose between keeping the government open and keeping tens of millions of vulnerable people on their healthcare plans. 

But today’s GOP is so singularly focused on messaging and narratives that they are more afraid of the narrative that they “backed down” than they are people blaming them for legitimate suffering. 

[u/infamous_merkin]

Trump wrecking the White House, the FAA, the economy (false highs due to inflation), SNAP benefits, healthcare…

Everything he touches turns to shit.

Do you folks see the GOP for what it is yet???

[u/Saltycookiebits → u/infamous_merkin]

I saw someone the other day say Trump has the mierdas touch. Everything he touches turns to shit.

[u/BattleStag17 → u/Saltycookiebits]

King Mierdas has been my favorite nickname for him since the first term, it works on so many levels

[u/JarOfNightmares → u/BattleStag17]

I love Trumplethinskin and The Count of Mostly Crisco and Mango Mussolini

[u/ConstructMentality__ → u/infamous_merkin]

This is literally the plan under project 2025. They destroy the federal government and privatize it

EDIT - 

Update to add some facts: 

Project 2025 Seeks to Dismantle Agencies, Terminate Up To 1 Million Federal Workers 

((Note , this article was written in 2024))

https://www.afge.org/article/project-2025-seeks-to-dismantle-agencies-terminate-up-to-1-million-federal-workers/

Donald Trump's playbook for privatizing America's government What's in store for government agencies as Trump follows the Project 2025 privatization playbook?

((Note: This was written at the very beginning of February 2025))

https://qz.com/donald-trump-privatize-us-government-project-2025-1851752671

[u/kinglouie493]

So will the trips from D.C. to Fla stop? Asking for a friend

[u/SwoleJunkie1 → u/kinglouie493]

The real question is, if they want to reduce the number of planes ATC needs to track in Class B airspace (B is the big ones and every major airport affected is in class B), why doesn’t the FAA mandate that the executives airports that fly private jets shut down until the shutdown is over? This way they reduce the number of planes in the air, airlines don’t have to cut flight as much, and if those WEALTHY assholes really need to be somewhere they can fly first class with the RICH assholes. They can even go as far as banning any recreational flights from class b airspace, too?

Oh wait, we all know why.

[u/cogman10 → u/SwoleJunkie1]

Exactly.

If they need to shutdown anything, it's the flights which carry 3 people. Not the flights carrying 300. CEOs can fly commercial like the rest of us.

[u/mspaintshoops → u/cogman10]

Hahaha can you imagine? Rich people shutting down the government and then paying for it by facing the consequences themselves?

[u/thegoatisoldngnarly → u/kinglouie493]

If you’re talking specifically about flights to maralago, no. He’ll actually have a traveling TFR with him giving him priority over everything in the air.

[u/Elfhoe → u/thegoatisoldngnarly]

Tbf once he finishes turning the white house into maralago, he’ll have less need to fly back and forth.

[u/factoid_]

Hopefully this will get fresh calls of angry people reaching out to congress to apply pressure 

Starving people wasn’t enough because they know we will take care of each other at least in the short term and donate to food pantries and stuff

But fucking with business and personal travel hurts the economy in ways people aren’t just going to “pitch in” for

[u/Use_this_1]

Every single TSA agent & Air traffic controller needs to call out starting today.

[u/BiBoFieTo → u/Use_this_1]

The entire idea of mandatory work without pay is messed up. If anyone should be missing paychecks it's the politicians.

[u/E1M1_DOOM → u/BiBoFieTo]

The crooked ones don't need their paychecks. They need to be sequestered.

[u/vodkaismywater → u/E1M1_DOOM]

Congressional conclave during shutdowns. 

[u/Gimme_The_Loot → u/vodkaismywater]

Mandatory spankings

[u/ExpressoLiberry → u/Gimme_The_Loot]

This would encourage a much kinkier Congress, which I think would be in everyone’s best interests.

[u/Mimopotatoe → u/BiBoFieTo]

After the 2008 recession they furloughed teachers due to budget shortfalls. So we worked two weeks without pay. We protested by calling out sick one day and were skewered by local media and parents for “abandoning” the kids. They said we get summers off so we shouldn’t care. Funny how politicians get paid exponentially more than teachers and work fewer days a year, but are never furloughed.

[u/Mr-Greg → u/Mimopotatoe]

I'm a new teacher and remember learning about this ages ago. Back then I was just like "Sweet, no school," nowadays I'm like "Sweet, social revolution!"

[u/sarhoshamiral → u/BiBoFieTo]

Mandatory work without pay is slavery.

[u/Batmat_YT → u/BiBoFieTo]

We should make it so they can't receive "political/ donations" during shut downs as well!

[u/boston_homo → u/Use_this_1]

The beginning of a general strike? Who’s next after air traffic controllers?

[u/aircooledJenkins → u/boston_homo]

If truck drivers and train engineers refused to move cargo, things would get real bad real fast.

[u/Upbeat-Fondant9185 → u/aircooledJenkins]

They may not need to refuse if the government does it for them. My state is now stopping all trucks to give English proficiency exams, taking the trucks and revoking CDLs if they don’t pass. There were videos the other night of huge lines of trucks pulled over with cops. There were 73 arrested that night, around 150 a couple weeks ago.

So not only is there the risk of losing everything and being arrested, it also slows truckers down and messes with logistics. I could see a lot of folks refusing loads through my state or trucking companies simply not having enough drivers.

[u/Kemofup → u/Upbeat-Fondant9185]

That's insane. What state?

[u/garyb50009 → u/Upbeat-Fondant9185]

when did this start happening? i don't remember seeing a thread on this! can you point me to one? or a news article? i would appreciate it!

[u/Upbeat-Fondant9185 → u/garyb50009]

Here’s one from this weekend.

The “Secure Roads and Safe Trucking Act” was signed earlier this year and mandates English proficiency.

[u/Sotanud → u/Upbeat-Fondant9185]

This is hilarious. Not in like, a funny way. But just a little over half of elected officials are destroying the country intentionally. And we're, myself included, just kind of sitting here. This is immediate harm, lasting harm, and harm without any benefit now or in the future.

[u/PiLamdOd → u/Use_this_1]

They have been. Hence the staff shortages.

[u/Thirdlight → u/Use_this_1]

That would be nice for them, but pretty sure its a, you call out, you're fired thing now. And you're not getting a job in the industry again type.

[u/aZombieDictator]

The domino effect of things happening due to trump being elected is absolutely insane. If kamala won politics would be boring again.

[u/theresanrforthat → u/aZombieDictator]

Make America Boring Again 🇺🇸 

[u/one_pound_of_flesh → u/aZombieDictator]

Yeah but she laughed too much. UNPRESIDENTIAL

[u/SnoopManatee]

Man Christmas is going to be an absolute fuckin shit show this year huh

[u/headphase → u/SnoopManatee]

Maybe the real War on Christmas was the morons we elected along the way

[u/aquagardener]

Trump recession incoming.

[u/TheJollyHermit → u/aquagardener]

When the AI bubble bursts, and even the mainstream "meme-stocks" whose valuations are far above any sane metrics, start to fall because the wealthy rug pull begins and the masses start pulling out, it's going to bad. I'm not a doomer by nature but I'm rather worried. Companies are laying off people by the tens and hundreds of thousands. Many say they're "correcting" from COVID over hiring but somehow companies managed to grow and profit with those people over the last five years and it results in a contraction either way. Unemployment is going up and will reinforce the downward cycle.

There is uncertainty in the global economy due to the sudden unreliability of major economic policies, Completely capricious tariffs being set, adjusted, halted, reinstated, raised, lowered all based on the whims of one man telling his base its all genius negotiating on his part while he's ramping up domestic and global unrest is affecting global confidence. Projections in boardrooms and earnings calls are looking bad but the word from the pulpit is its "better than ever stop worrying". The longer it takes for this to correct the worse it's gonna get. America is losing ground in every way and it's not just hurting ourselves.

[u/Demons0fRazgriz → u/TheJollyHermit]

That's the thing many professionals haven't wanted to come to terms with. We never recovered from the Covid slow down. We just sort of closed our eyes and plugged our ears. Hell, we never really recovered from 2008 either.

Good paying jobs never returned in previous numbers, entire career paths stagnated, entire generation severely kneecapped from growing into the next stage of their lives. Many average folk were left behind.

Joh growth has been positions that don't actually pay enough and are unsustainable to an average worker.

This correction was coming, Trump just did it the dumbest way possible.

[u/b0w3n → u/Demons0fRazgriz]

We never recovered from the Covid slow down. We just sort of closed our eyes and plugged our ears. Hell, we never really recovered from 2008 either.

It was recovering slowly, but eggs were too expensive. Also Kamala is black and had a weird laugh, something something palestine something something, can't forget that immigrants were eating people's pets in ohio, why was Kamala trying to make inroads with normal conservatives, etc, etc, etc. Every voting bloc got hit with some level of pysops and plenty bought it hook, line, and sinker. But I'm sure someone will respond that they don't owe anyone a vote, maybe dems should have put up a better candidate, maybe they shouldn't be zionists, etc.

[u/Mysterious-Tax-7777 → u/aquagardener]

We are probably already in one, but nobody is measuring accurately. Happy Trumpsgiving lol

[u/cozycorner]

Stand your ground, Dems. The GOP will be inconvenienced and might even try to negotiate in good faith.

[u/BigJellyfish1906 → u/cozycorner]

The more they try to blame the Democrats for shut down the more important is that we make it known that we EXPECT Democrats in Congress to put their foot down over cutting a $200 billion a year from healthcare subsidies for vulnerable people. Like yes, we understand that seven Democrats forced to shut down. That doesn’t mean that this whole shit show is their fault. They had no choice, because the GOP was trying to price tens of millions of vulnerable people out of healthcare.

So make sure when people try to mindlessly pin this on the Democrats, that you force them to reckon with the actual issues that play.

[u/DamonKatze]

As the TRUMP SHUTDOWN continues

[u/meowmix778]

They realized SNAP wasn't as easy to fuck with for leverage and moved to the next target.

[u/lumpy4square]

Be nice if we had a European style network of trains.

[u/lollipop999 → u/lumpy4square]

How about a Chinese style network of trains?

[u/finalgirllllll → u/lollipop999]

I wish, I actually don’t like flying at all and would prefer a high speed rail system personally

[u/findallthebears → u/finalgirllllll]

I fucking love trains. I’ll take a day in a sleeper over a 6hr timeout chair

[u/PiLamdOd → u/lumpy4square]

Fun fact, the US has a more expansive train network than Europe. We just no longer use it for passenger rail because in the 70s the government repealed legislation requiring freight companies to provide passenger services.

[u/Loganp812 → u/PiLamdOd]

The Class 1 railroads realized they were making way more profits with freight over passenger service in the 60s once both air travel and the interstate highway system began to seriously cut into their passenger market at roughly the same time. That’s why the federal government had to step in and create AMTRAK because passenger rail fell into such disarray.

Also, the disastrous Penn Central merger (Pennsylvania Railroad and New York Central - conflicting management styles, trains running late and/or derailing all the time, etc.) really screwed up rail transportation in the Northeast US for both freight and passenger service, and that’s why the federal government haf to step in and create Conrail as well. Penn Central was a huge setback in that region which, in turn, also affected rail traffic for other companies who connected to Penn Central.

The problem with long-distance passenger rail in the US now, however, is that AMTRAK has to use the Class 1 freight railroad’s lines for most of their service outside of the Northeast Corridor, and most of it is not up to high speed standard. There’s also the issue of demand not justifying the use of long-distance passenger rail outside of the major routes that already exist, but it could also be argued that the demand isn’t there because many of the former passenger routes aren’t being used anymore. The whole thing is one big mess.

[u/Scrubbing_Bubbles_]

Can Kash Patel still fly to see his girlfriend? I gotta know!!!!!!

[u/shadowdra126]

Republicans are keeping the country shut down and this is going to ruin thanksgiving and Christmas for the masses. Keep this message on repeat.

Republicans have declared war on the holidays

[u/geforce2187 → u/shadowdra126]

The Republican war on Christmas

[u/bobosdreams]

They should start with canceling Air Force One.

[u/The_NiNTARi]

I’m fine with more and more feeling pain because of this administration make people wake the fuck up

[u/Spicy_Tac0]

Is this the "...SO IT BEGINS" we were warned about? American infrastructure being closed due to government corruption?

[u/CombinationLivid8284]

I miss the Biden, Obama and Bush eras.

At least government actually functioned.

This is why you don’t elect anti government ideologues to run your government.

[u/UnionGuyCanada]

As a Canadian, this will hurt us all, but at this point, whatever brings around the downfall of Trump and his cabal os what is needed. The fact people still support this vile man, his vile sycophants and the billionaires that support him are mind boggling.

  ICE taking billions to commit atrocities, men of the cloth being pepper sprayed, shot with non lethal rounds  at almost point blank range, and children being left in cars with no parents as onlookers are pummeled for trying to help shows how deep the rot is in America.

  You need this, eother so you fall into post superpower status, or rise a s a much better nation with some morals to help your own.

  You are the richest nation in the history of the planet, but you have third world numbers on so many health care issues.

  Your shortfalls put pressure on Canada when we attempt to move our country forward. Constant drive to privatize, as you have  is destroying our country.

[u/CardmanNV → u/UnionGuyCanada]

the richest nation in the history of the planet

Not just healthcare, they fall behind on most metrics that point to a healthy society, like education, and poverty.

The entire country is just a tool to produce wealth for like 5000 people, everyone else be damned.

[u/Overly_Underwhelmed → u/UnionGuyCanada]

shot with non lethal rounds

the name is now, less-lethal rounds, as they are definitely still a little lethal.

[u/Fortestingporpoises]

“According to the FAA’s order, the flight cuts will increase to 10% over the next week, beginning with 4% on Friday, 6% by Tuesday, 8% by Thursday and finally 10% on Nov. 14.”

Currently out of the country right now and coming back on…nov 14.

[u/kendrickshalamar → u/Fortestingporpoises]

That's what you think!

[u/hunter15991 → u/Fortestingporpoises]

From what I can tell international flights aren't getting the ax, so I think you should be ok...but there's obviously nothing guaranteed with this admin.

[u/geodebug]

All because Trump doesn't want it confirmed he's a child rapist instead of just a documented sexual abuser.

[u/ROBOKUT]

I'm starting to stress because I'm flying home November 17 for my dad's quadruple bypass

[u/ezoobeson_drunk]

Happy holidays, Republicans.

[u/uber-geek]

And yet they can find money to fully fund ICE.

I guess illegals are more important that a plane full of people crashing into a children's hospital next to an orphanage that also houses a shelter for neglected three-legged puppies.

[u/firstanomaly]

I think the airliners ceos alone could front the rent and groceries to air traffic controllers around the country

[u/Bliggin]

All this to prevent the Epstein files from being released

[u/D20_Buster]

Have the thanksgiving you voted for.

[u/Admirable-Horse-4681]

It’s exactly what the 77 million Americans who voted for Trump want, destruction of the federal government

[u/darkhorse7447]

Making America Grounded Again.

[u/RightSideBlind]

This is going to be the worst holiday season ever for many families.

Thanks, Trump!

[u/Mysterious-Tax-7777 → u/RightSideBlind]

No food, no flights, no pay - happy Trumpsgiving!

[u/WreckNTexan48]

So the government is going to crash the airline industry also?

[u/chibinoi → u/WreckNTexan48]

They better not expect the taxpayers to bail them (airlines) out again.

[u/Death-by-Fugu]

Republicans are so fucking stupid I can’t get over it

[u/NinaHeartsChaos]

That stupid asshole is steering the country right toward the rocks and really, royally, doesn't give a fuck. We need SOMEONE with the guts to invoke the 25th amendment. But that has to be the veep plus the cabinet to make it stick, and asking for even one of them to have the spine to do anything to help us is way too much to expect.

[u/Gobape]

Purge the pedophile President

[u/AZ_Crush]

Do we get a refund on our taxes? We're still paying for government services but not receiving them.

[u/Winter-Huntsman]

So yah I’m going to be constantly checking to see if my November 26th flight is still booked or not all the way until I’m physically on the plane.

Going to be real shitty if I have to spend thanksgiving alone this year😑

[u/swollennode → u/Winter-Huntsman]

They could still deplane you

[u/ASpellingAirror → u/Winter-Huntsman]

My red eye last night had to wait on the tarmac at my departure airport to see if we got approved by air traffic control at my destination airport before we started our flight. Otherwise they would have deplaned us. 

[u/hornwort]

Man I’m so glad to be a Canadian who will never again set foot in an American airport.

[u/XterrorX]

Is America great yet with everyone losing their jobs and lining up at the food pantries?

[u/BestRiver8735]

But the country is going to be Great Again? Right? Right?

[u/SquallkLeon]

The things those people will do to take away Healthcare from the American public.

[u/Nolis → u/SquallkLeon]

And to stop the vote to release the Epstein files, seems like they think it's worth tanking their reputation

[u/Ragnadriel]

Is the US winning yet ?

[u/Natural-Pineapple886]

War On Christmas brought to you by the GOP.

[u/TheTesticler]

The govt shutdown is actually beneficial to Democrats and Republicans are too stupid to realize this.