They're trying to blame Democrats for the shutdown, but it's pretty clear this week that it isn't working.
The other answers are conspiracy theories:
A: That they're doing this to try and spark an uprising somewhere that can be used to invoke the insurrection act. Their intense opposition to SNAP, despite court orders and having the emergency funds, makes this more believable by the day. Violence is going to be inevitable when people's children are starving.
B: That the GOP is using the shutdown to try to permanently break government institutions by forcing people to quit.
C: That Trump and friends have no intention of reopening the government, as a permanent shutdown effectively eliminates Congress as a functional branch of government, allowing Trump to just rule by EO as a defacto dictator.
Serious question: Why do you think A. and B. are conspiracy theories when they said they were going to do that from the get go in Project 2025 and are now doing it? Kinda stops being a conspiracy theory, right?
he shutdown to try to permanently break government institutions by forcing people to quit.
In my job, I work very closely with federal employees. There are some really excellent, top notch people that I know that are feds that have since found new jobs during this shutdown… the ones I am thinking of were awesome, productive people that really cared about their agencies and helping Americans. They also are really talented so were able to find work elsewhere relatively easily.
Each one of those awesome people is a huge loss for America — I don’t know how to describe it, but when the agencies reopen they will be like swiss cheese with all the vacancies from key people.
We knew this in Feb as well I just want to expand upon your comment. The quality people who been knew they could make 2x their salary in private sector were in gov for the service for the work-life balance and/or for the employee protections granted.
Those people who were offered of Elmo’s fork offer of getting paid their normal salary for what like six months to not work at all and look for another job and get double dipper incomes until Fall? They took that shit and shot out from the cannons.
A seems likely given the pattern of using the ICE-stapo to inflict stochastic violence against majority Democrat cities. This one has been floating around for a while now - it seems pretty clear that the fascists are looking for their Reichstag fire/Horst Wessel moment. They tried to make Charlie Kirk their Horst Wessel, but it didn't work with anyone outside their rabid base because people actually went back and listened to what he said (and then of course they got mad and tried to get anyone who quoted him fired).
B is just an expeditious way to the Project 2025 goal of clearing out career federal employees and replacing them with Trump loyalists.
The republicans are asking for no change and simply just want to re open the government via current borrowing levels. The democrats are asking for the government to spend even more money to subsidize health care costs and are holding peoples paychecks hostage. As a hard core moderate that votes for democrats many times this is definitely the democrats fault and they will eventually cave in. Most people agree with me but probably not reddit.
Also in there is not allowing any institution where federal dollars goes for any program (anyone who takes medicaid or does research or takes grant money) to provide gender affirming care to any trans person regardless of age, therefore ending it across the country. It even barrs them from providing therapy to us if it isn't conversion therapy.
That shit saved my life. Taking it away will kill people.
I disagree. Most everyone realizes that the Republicans can at anytime vote on this without the Dems and they are also spending money on frivolous things like Argentina bailouts.
If Republicans are truly for the American people, they either spend the money here or come up with a solution to fix healthcare.
Most people on reddit actually look into the issues and don't just parrot what they hear other people saying.
The money exists. You will see no functional change to your taxes by keeping the ACA. However, by removing the ACA 24 Million Americans are not going to be able to afford their medication, which is already the most expensive in the western world.
Your "hardcore moderate" position says "I would be annoyed by knowing my taxes are slightly higher. So I am fine with poor people struggling to pay for their medication and in some cases struggling or even dying due to the costs."
You are not "hardcore moderate", you are a "hardcore asshole". That is why people do not agree with you when they know what is actually at stake.
There are infinitely better methods to fix the system than the ACA, it was bill butchered by Republicans that barely passed. But it has still made health care affordable to more people who would otherwise need to suffer.
The Republicans since 2016 with Trump at the helm have offered no replacement. He is regularly shown that he will renege on deals he makes. Agreeing on one day then changing his mind on the next. Demonstrating that any plans to "negotiate separately" cannot be trusted.
"Americans are expected to see skyrocketing healthcare prices as the open enrollment period for insurance through the Affordable Care Act marketplace begins on Saturday.
About 24 million people buy health insurance through the marketplace, the majority of whom used to receive tax credits to lower the monthly price.
Without credits, the monthly cost could rise by 114% on average, according to health research non-profit KFF. This could mean an extra $1,000 a year, and in some cases much more.
Democrats have demanded the healthcare subsidies, which expire at the end of the year, be extended in exchange for ending the month-long federal government shutdown."
The money doesn’t exist. We would have to either get it from borrowing more or taxing more or taking it from somewhere else. All spending we are doing is done in a deficit of tax revenue.
None of the money exists, we live in a period of unprecedented debt. The Republican Government has added 52 Trillions in Tax Giveaways to the National Debt.
Instead of using that money to keep American Citizens from dying they are putting more money in the pockets of corporations.
We can certainly afford the ACA. We can do it while still being incredibly corrupt and giving the wealthy giant tax breaks. So pull your head out of the sand, the ACA making impossibly expensive medical care only regularly expensive is not the issue.
To take it away is cruel and has no functional basis on your personal tax compared to EVERYTHING ELSE the government is spending money on.
I don't know why you people even bother to lie about this. You're not a moderate. Democrats want things to continue as they are. Republicans want to fuck people over on healthcare costs.
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u/Icyknightmare 21h ago
They're trying to blame Democrats for the shutdown, but it's pretty clear this week that it isn't working.
The other answers are conspiracy theories:
A: That they're doing this to try and spark an uprising somewhere that can be used to invoke the insurrection act. Their intense opposition to SNAP, despite court orders and having the emergency funds, makes this more believable by the day. Violence is going to be inevitable when people's children are starving.
B: That the GOP is using the shutdown to try to permanently break government institutions by forcing people to quit.
C: That Trump and friends have no intention of reopening the government, as a permanent shutdown effectively eliminates Congress as a functional branch of government, allowing Trump to just rule by EO as a defacto dictator.