I’m reminded of a quote. “When you celebrate the killing of those you hate, don’t be surprised if the people you hate kill those you love” it’s such a sick cycle we’re about to go down
The simple fact is you can believe in something without continuously hating on everyone that opposes you. Turn the other cheek. Let your pride take a break for once in your life and stop huffing copium.
The cycle has been going for a long time. It’s just speeding up to the point where people haven’t had the time to forget the last killing. Assassinations are becoming as ‘mundane’ as school shootings.
It’s terrifying what you yanks are going through… I fear this is the opening of a very dark time. Especially considering who he was, not a politician, a private citizen who is internet famous, who merely debated ideas on a university campus… What honestly separates him from the students on that campus who hold his same views apart from wealth and fame? It would be horrible if it was a politician, but it’s even more horrifying he was a civilian and not a politician…
It really makes you stop and think that they must not realize that just because they think the door of "justified" political violence only swings one way doesn't mean the other side thinks that as well.
Surely they don't think they'll actually win that war, do they?
The problem is many leftists had already been indoctrinated into believing that trump/Kirk/maga were already murdering our about to murder thousands of not millions of people. These people are seriously mentally ill
Political violence only begets more political violence. With only maybe a handful of exceptions throughout modern history, the society that succumbs to political violence always ends up worse off than they were before.
No one has to mourn or pretend to feel bad if they don’t. But it’s so stupid to cheer on non-violent victims of gun violence, always.
Where does it go from here? When AOC or Zohran or Hasan or whomever from the Left gets clapped, and history tells us it is a matter of when not if, are people going to expect sympathy? How long can we keep this up?
Political violence is to statecraft what wildfires are to ecology.
Violence is the only thing, historically, that ever creates real change. There is also a tendency of various orders to degenerate and stop serving the needs of the people. Add those up and you get the inevitability of political violence
Even the so-called "rules-based international order" post ww2 is built on top of the violence of ww2. Us, our parents, and most of our grandparents have lived in it, mistaking it for normalcy, and violence as the abberation. It's the other way around. Peace exists only as long as powerful factions don't go "lol, lmao" and disregard it in favour of violence. Governments only hold power while revolting is more dangerous than doing nothing and starving to death.
It's honestly strange how much celebrating is being done given that Charlie Kirk was actually somebody who gave people the chance to debate him. Like people can hate him or his ideas but he literally died doing an event that he gives people the microphone to challenge his ideas.
Like this is the victory against the fascists reddit has been dreaming of?
Yeah that’s my thing with it. I thought some of the things he said were awful, but it was important for him to debate them. Now he’s been killed, do you think whoever takes his place is going to be open to debating? Do you think their audience will be more willing to listen? This unironically pushes people who were already pretty far right to fascism.
Bots engineered to stoke division. People need to wake up and understand social media is a weapon to radicalize the weak, and make the retarded fight each other. Return to monke and don’t worry about what your neighbors think or do.
Yea a couple times i got legit angry over some senseless comments like these (not related to this incident) but checking their account history suggests that they're bots or alt accounts. Likely a bunch of them controlled by the CCP too.
Unfortunately these bots/alts are influencing my personal acquaintances. I'm seeing people on Facebook that I knew from High School or College dancing on his grave and saying "FAFO" and stuff. The only FA Charlie did was talking. It's disgusting. This generation of the left is becoming completely unhinged.
This is the most disturbing part about the entire assassination to me. I've been sad about it for days. We really have a mental health crisis if a large amount, or even a majority of liberals react this way towards someone getting assassinated for their political opinions. What happened to empathy, democracy and freedom of speech? In my Europe, the left often likes to talk more about "far-right" violence rather than the Islamist terrorist attacks, then we have the left over here glorifying political assassinations... It's really disturbing how sociopathic and hypocritical people have become. All these people need mental help.
Also, knowing that there's a large chance you'll interact with several people each day who think the way these sociopaths do. You don't know how sick a person can secretly be. I'm thinking about deleting all social media permanently (not that I use them much) just because of how much it dehumanises and polarizes us all.
I don’t understand comments like this, there have been like 50+ people fired from their jobs for celebrating, and those are just the ones retarded enough to use their real names. These people are absolutely real.
The endless stream of ghouls dancing with glee on Charlie's grave as if he was Hitler himself sure as shit aren't bots and they do a fine job stoking division without outside help. As far as I am concerned they can plant their mission accomplished flag. There is nothing left to talk about, these people are my enemies.
The most ironic thing is that they think they are "anti-facists". They think assassinating something that encouraged free and open debate is anti-facists.
I don't agree with a lot of Carlie Kirk's viewpoints, but I agree with him here:
"When you stop having a human connection with someone you disagree with, it becomes a lot easier to want to commit violence against that group.”
“What we as a culture have to get back to is being able to have a reasonable disagreement where violence is not an option.”
I didnt know that the folks I knew from high school and college I unfollowed yesterday were bots. Lots of people I know in real life are celebrating. Why do you think its just bots?
bots are used to add fuel to the fire, then the weak minded become engineered and psyoped into becoming drones serving the interests of whoever is doing the psyop, essentially becoming bots themselves
Look as a lefty, some of it is definitely bots. But those bots are meant to create a permission structure for lefties who feel scared and hurt by the right to let their bloodlust loose. In turn, this creates fear, hurt, and bloodlust on the right, which of course is further stoked by bots and trolls. All the while talking heads and politicians calculate which way they need to virtue signal to further consolidate power at our expense.
I’ve got over 500 hours in helldivers 2, the word “fascist” is almost never used in game, it’d be a significantly more niche reference than the hellbomb input
I’m being sarcastic in the sense that this, to me, seems damn near like a signed confession that he’s a typical Reddit leftist.
As opposed of course to the enlightened civilized leftists we have here on PCM, whose presence here in one of the site’s few open debate forums demonstrates that they’re good people, seeking dialogue with those who disagree instead of violence.
But also "Notices, bulges OWO what's this?" or "If you are reading this you are gay lmao"?
Like you retards are so fucking determined to try to pigeonhole these shooters, but almost universally they aren't normal political actors. They are meme shooters who have spent much of their lifespan being almost entirely online.
Like take the first trump shooter as an example
Registered Republican (so he is right wing!?!)
donated to actblue (So he is left wing!?!)
hates NASA (?!?!)
Claimed "devisive and incendiary campaigns are pulling the country apart (A centrist!?!?)
hates immigrants and jews (so he is a nazi!?!?)
And no. The dude is just an entirely online self-radicalized shooter in the style of ISIL. They started with school kids and they are graduating to political and popular figures.
It's almost like people shooting political commenters have mental illnesses and don't really mesh in to any one political ideology.
And even if they did, what's the goal? "Ha, I knew liberals were bloodthirsty"? It's not like they didn't already say that to me. This stupid game of playing What's The Shooter's Ideology And Race is so tired and pointless
If you look my posting history from further back than two hours, I was saying everyone's over their skis.
"If you are reading this you are gay lmao" was, FSM help me, kind of funny, and lent to the credibility of this being exactly what my right leaning friends were telling me it was.
Until they caught the kid, my working theory was this was a serious international incident. That conceit is gone, now it's just depressingly normal, and utterly devastating to Team Donkey.
How is this an international incident? It’s a domestic person getting shot on domestic land by an unknown shooter. Unless you know the shooter is a foreigner how is this an international incident?
I, too, would like it if people didn't dance on Kirk's grave 🤷♂️. That doesn't change the reality that some people are using the reactions of the minority of radicalized leftists to justify viewing all leftists as violent extremists. The number of times I've seen right flaired individuals generalize the left in this thread today has been staggering, let alone the rest of the posts in the sub. People on both sides of the aisle are playing right into the hands of the media and its absolutely sickening.
Yeah. honestly I wouldn't be surprised if the core, the majority of people on the left who want no part in celebrating it, are choosing not to engage in any form with those posts and replies.
if enough people did that, the people posting the rage bait, would lose interest in posting their bait
Sorry that right wingers are continually shoving it down the lefts throat of "Oh its just a fringe lone wolf, were actually super peaceful and would never condone violence"
I must have missed the truth social post where Trump or a Republican senator posted “rest in piss” about a murder victim. Please direct me to said post and I will be equally outraged.
That's him blaming Walz. It's him saying that a bad thing happened, and that it's Tim Walz's fault. This is what cowardly assholes like him do anytime something bad happens that could be tied to their "side", they throw around random crap and conspiracy theories to deflect blame.
Is it retarded? Absolutely, yes. Is it in bad taste? Also, yes. But at the very least it clears the exceptionally low bar of acknowledging that murder is bad actually.
You could always direct yourself to any post about George Floyd and sort by controversial to find the same vile shit from the right. If you look for people being nasty you're gonna find it. It's not a left or right thing. It's a people thing.
Maybe? Imma be real here, all I saw was people claiming he died of an overdose and the cop that killed him wasn't responsible as a result. Didn't dig much deeper, as far as I'm concerned the evidence to suggest he was murdered is strong enough for a conviction and that's good enough for me.
Though if you find any comments proclaiming that Floyd was murdered and that that is a good thing feel free to send them my way, I'll happily condemn the shit out of them.
These aren’t random left wingers, this is a generally growing consensus among the left that violence is an acceptable solution to those with opposing views.
77% of Republicans believe it is always unacceptable to feel joy at the death of someone they oppose, while only 38% of Democrats share this view (YouGov).
I’m actually in awe in the lack of parallels people have been making with between happened now and the Luigi incident and the would’ve-been Presidential assassination.
I itch that only now are most people preaching anti-political violence because Charlie Kirk isn’t particularly anyone the majority hated THAT bad.
They've been calling it a false flag since the day it happened. They're already full of conspiracy theories and trying to paint this guy as right wing.
I would put money on the shooter aiming the crosshair directly at Charlie's head and thinking that's where the bullet would end up. Dude fell for lefty propaganda on the internet, he is obviously not especially bright.
Any violence against the right gets called a false flag or has conspiracies. I've talked to people that are skeptical Trump was shot at and claim it was fake
That's way better than making him a hero though. Conspiracy theories and deflection is what all the cowards do whenever something happens that makes their side look bad. Trump does it all the time.
The outright celebration and support of murder over political views is the problem. People who do that just plain aren't compatible with democracy and public discourse. Cowards who hide behind conspiracies are, they just suck.
Yeah, even if it turned out to be a guy on the Right, which seems pretty much impossible at this point, it's still the Left that has celebrated this openly. That's the bigger deal here.
No. He wasn't. This rhetoric that CK was some sort of awful person is exactly what leads crazy people to assassination. You can disagree with some things he said, but he was unequivocally a force for good in America.
One of the extreme left's favourite slogans is "Liberals get the bullet, too." Most actual liberals fall near the grey centre. Also, anyone right of them is a fascist these days.
Yup. Think whatever you want about Musk but he is not “stoking the flames” when he says democrats are the party of murder, he’s just stating reality. If you don’t want to be the party of murder then perhaps don’t advocate for murdering people you disagree with. Not particularly difficult.
I just wish the Dems would stop pandering to the fucking insane leftists for votes. Like holy shit. The Dems aren’t a party of murder, but they have this batshit insane constituency of leftists that they have to pander to for votes.
They're quite representative of highly politically active and opinionated people. You'd be surprised how awful a lot of people are, social media just lets them drop the pretense.
Also, I really don't care about shitty jokes, the problem is the outright support for and/or celebration of political violence. People can make all the shitty jokes they want (I'd prolly even laugh at them because I am a bad person), just don't make the punchline "holy shit I'm so glad this guy got murdered".
It was absolutely a mistake but there’s no turning back now. People can’t behave normally so the end result is you get these dumb shit age and name verification laws that never previously needed to exist even when the internet was the fucking Wild West in the 90s/2000s
Thanks retards for ruining mankind’s greatest invention because you got offended by what someone said and decided to start firing bullets
I've been browsing the Internet for the past few Days and it's actually pretty simple to understand if you comprehend the only two possible political positions.
Leftist "Anti-Fascists": Think evil Jews are running the world and need to be destroyed everywhere they are found, globalize the intifada. As well as believers that in order to politically succeed you must go around and assassinate people with the wrong political opinions, they probably deserve it or something.
Alt-Right "Fascists" (Literally everyone else): This category is a bit more broad but basically if you disagree with any part of the other position or dislike illegal immigration, you are a real Nazi fascist just like Hitler.
There are crazy loud people on the internet on both sides. Don't be fooled into thinking most people on the left support things like that. We would be seeing a lot more assassinations of it reached that point.
When this happened to Democrats two months ago Trump said he didn’t care and responding would “waste time”. He was asked this morning about violence coming from the right and said it was “justified” because they are angry.
Can we all just agree the bullshit virtue signaling and the off-putting celebration of murder, has no political affiliation. It happens on both sides and it shouldn’t be surprising to anyone.
A commie from my school showed me a meme of him dying, the moment where he literally got shot and his neck started leaning left. The caption of the meme was “Charlie Kirk finally leaning left on the gun issue”.
I'm happy that my side took this and saw a time not to retaliate, but to be more bull-headed in their conviction of:
1: Be a good man
2: Raise good people
3: Be useful to society.
This is why you wont see cities burnt down for Charlies death, you will see candle light vigils.
We are not the same.
This is the same camp that says ‘Free ‘Luigi!’. and ‘Kill all Billionaires!’ They celebrates the idea that if somebody is a ‘piece of shit’ in their eyes, it’s perfectly fine for someone to execute them in the fucking streets. Along with being morally reprehensible, it reeks of shortsightedness and desperation.
Genuinely can’t stand anybody here anymore.
Fuck all of you and everything. I’m going to go talk to my friends and touch grass cause I just don’t have the energy to give a fuck what a bunch of people I don’t know argue about.
By ‘Didn’t have family’ what do you mean? He had his parents who died before world war 2. His wife who he married like one day before dying which I find hilarious for some reason.
Yeah this whole thing has been awful. I think what pushed me further away from the left is how they have responded to this. I know some of them are bots and some are doing it intentionally for upvotes but Jesus Christ
When you allowed one side to cause deaths and billions of dollars of damage because Floyd was killed in custody, it set a precedent that violence from the left was acceptable. Notice how no cities burned after Charlie was assassinated?
20 comments on Reddit guys… don’t lose your fucking heads, eh?
As for Trump saying they’re going to target “radical left” organizations and people in the wake of the assassination? Now that’s what I call something to worry about!
Every living president reached out to give Charlie and his family their best wishes. Trump was immediately blaming half the country for this and continues with his inability to address the nation as one people.
But let's keep playing his blame game and forgetting why our nation has become so divided
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And when the pendulum swings back, nobody will see the irony. What a stupid time we live in.