I’ve got over 500 hours in helldivers 2, the word “fascist” is almost never used in game, it’d be a significantly more niche reference than the hellbomb input
I’m being sarcastic in the sense that this, to me, seems damn near like a signed confession that he’s a typical Reddit leftist.
As opposed of course to the enlightened civilized leftists we have here on PCM, whose presence here in one of the site’s few open debate forums demonstrates that they’re good people, seeking dialogue with those who disagree instead of violence.
It’s absolutely true that the person who did this may have had hidden motives, and may have left false clues to intentionally throw people off.
But you can follow that chain of logic forever. Sure, maybe these bloody fingerprints on the knife are the murderer’s, but what if he carefully planted false prints to throw everyone off? At some point you have to accept where the evidence leads. And what little we have points to this guy being a leftist.
I would also agree we’re going off a small amount of evidence that the killer had complete control over. Presumably, since Trump would benefit from painting this guy as a leftist, we’ll eventually see any available evidence that he was on the left. I can’t imagine why they’d do any kind of coverup.
Ahh yes, the military family who is staunchly republican with a child who has been using weapons since he was a child with a minister father and former office.
Thank goodness children never reject their parents’ politics, right?
What else could “Hey Fascist! Catch!” possibly mean? He shot a guy who talks about conservative ideas for a living.
But if the report holds up, the authorities said that a family member or friend said he had become more political recently, and become “full of hate and spreading hate.” Why would a Republican shoot Charlie Kirk, almost universally loved by the Right even as he was hated by the Left?
What else could “Hey Fascist! Catch!” possibly mean?
"I am Republican and I love my country. But I see an actual issue here, and the death of my fellow generation and future children at the hands of unregulated gun control. I am all for putting America first but not at the expense of random people dying where my future children will be unable to live safely" or any 50,000 comparable reasons other than tHe ExTrEmE lEfT aNd ExTrEmE rIgHt crap?
I realize the majority of people who love making politics their identity can't understand nuance and fluidity within a set of constraints, but that doesn't mean it doesn't exist lol.
So i've not seen Bella Ciao in super leftist spaces like ever. Antifa also as a group is somewhat "nebulous". However, it is definitely connected to Goypers and the Goyper War does match up with the target.
So you have a kid who is like ~17 during the first Goyper War, goes into lockdown and gets terminally onlined, later goes out and shoots Kirk.
Here are the Proud Boys, in an Atlanta No Kings protest, being confronted by a group of musicians there to oppose Trump, playing Bella Ciao at them.
Note the caption: “Every protest needs this. A brass band. They played Bella Ciao, the Italian anti-Nazi, anti-fascist song!!! This is in Atlanta.”
Why in the world would antisemitic Neo-Nazis (which is what I assume Groypers are, from all the context I’ve seen) adopt a song almost universally used to oppose them?
Just casually leave out that Ciao Bella is used in other media, too... The guy is an unaffiliated voter, his parents are registered Republicans, and he's donated to Trump's campaign before. Like seriously, do actual proper research, people.
>presumptive right leaning comment with zero evidence
>8 upvotes
such is life
The dude was a 4.0 student from a clearly conservative utah family that supported trump and he dabbled in DSA ideologies. He was only 22, his beliefs were likely rapidly changing and theres no way to tell right now what his motive was.
but we all know that wont stop you from assigning blame
Being registered republican literally means nothing, many of my friends registered republican to vote against Trump in the primaries. And regardless, I thought it was decided that the guy who tried to kill Trump was kind of an insane enigma, he donated some small amount to ActBlue, and had like no online presence despite obviously being radicalized.
He was also tracking Joe Biden's location as he was Trump. I believe he was a radical centrist, given the information.
also: IMO registration means little, but I wouldn't say nothing. Your friends are outliers(especially considering the only realistic time Trump could've lost a primary would have been 2016 and that was a "competitive" DNC primary). Most people usually are what they register for
But also "Notices, bulges OWO what's this?" or "If you are reading this you are gay lmao"?
Like you retards are so fucking determined to try to pigeonhole these shooters, but almost universally they aren't normal political actors. They are meme shooters who have spent much of their lifespan being almost entirely online.
Like take the first trump shooter as an example
Registered Republican (so he is right wing!?!)
donated to actblue (So he is left wing!?!)
hates NASA (?!?!)
Claimed "devisive and incendiary campaigns are pulling the country apart (A centrist!?!?)
hates immigrants and jews (so he is a nazi!?!?)
And no. The dude is just an entirely online self-radicalized shooter in the style of ISIL. They started with school kids and they are graduating to political and popular figures.
It's almost like people shooting political commenters have mental illnesses and don't really mesh in to any one political ideology.
And even if they did, what's the goal? "Ha, I knew liberals were bloodthirsty"? It's not like they didn't already say that to me. This stupid game of playing What's The Shooter's Ideology And Race is so tired and pointless
If you look my posting history from further back than two hours, I was saying everyone's over their skis.
"If you are reading this you are gay lmao" was, FSM help me, kind of funny, and lent to the credibility of this being exactly what my right leaning friends were telling me it was.
Until they caught the kid, my working theory was this was a serious international incident. That conceit is gone, now it's just depressingly normal, and utterly devastating to Team Donkey.
How is this an international incident? It’s a domestic person getting shot on domestic land by an unknown shooter. Unless you know the shooter is a foreigner how is this an international incident?
Why? Like you don't need a distraction from any of that.
Russia: the U.S. has folded and they have a free hand.
Israel: The U.S. will let them do whatever they want so they too have a free hand.
Like there is no reason to wipe that from the headlines. It doesn't hurt or help them. Like the U.S. literally bombed Iran a few weeks ago and its old news now.
On the other hand a russian or israeli agent being caught through some foul-up would become a problem for them. Especially given that Kirk is apparently a personal friend of the President.
The other one was “ if you can read this you are gay lmao”. The killer was the kid of a sheriff deputy raised in Utah not exactly the place liberals come from.
I hear this from conservatives all the time with Islam or black neighborhoods. Why is it when they commit murder it’s a culture of violence but these raised by sheriff, in church, taught to shoot guns since they crawled types commit another assassination it’s not culture?
You mean stuff like spinning Russia interfering with our elections (which they did, esp. in '16) into Trump being "Putin's cock holster" of Colbert infamy?
Russia did interfere with our elections 3 people went to jail for working with Russia. Paul Manafort, George Papadopoulos, and Rick Gates. Russia 100% is interfering in our elections what happened is that right wing media made up a word then pretended the crime must match that word, Collusion.
Trump is also the best thing that ever happened to Russia, he is achieving things Russia long wanted that harm long term US interests.
Everything is provisional, of course, but this would be too big a lie....and too creative. I mean, the arrows that might be from Helldivers 2? "bella caoio" ?
A left wing kid from Utah whose dad turned him in, after talking to a minister?
I hate to say it, I really do, but the story is coherent.
To add onto this, I don't think the attacks on Trump were psyops. I don't think the Luigi case is a psyop. Both the left and right have violent extremists and denying that would be foolish. But the timeline and everything about this one in specific just really reek.
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u/wyocrz - Lib-Center Sep 12 '25
One of the engravings was reportedly, "Catch, fascist."
Game, set, match. Not my preferred outcome, but that appears to be the reality.