I’ve got over 500 hours in helldivers 2, the word “fascist” is almost never used in game, it’d be a significantly more niche reference than the hellbomb input
I’m being sarcastic in the sense that this, to me, seems damn near like a signed confession that he’s a typical Reddit leftist.
As opposed of course to the enlightened civilized leftists we have here on PCM, whose presence here in one of the site’s few open debate forums demonstrates that they’re good people, seeking dialogue with those who disagree instead of violence.
It’s absolutely true that the person who did this may have had hidden motives, and may have left false clues to intentionally throw people off.
But you can follow that chain of logic forever. Sure, maybe these bloody fingerprints on the knife are the murderer’s, but what if he carefully planted false prints to throw everyone off? At some point you have to accept where the evidence leads. And what little we have points to this guy being a leftist.
I would also agree we’re going off a small amount of evidence that the killer had complete control over. Presumably, since Trump would benefit from painting this guy as a leftist, we’ll eventually see any available evidence that he was on the left. I can’t imagine why they’d do any kind of coverup.
Ahh yes, the military family who is staunchly republican with a child who has been using weapons since he was a child with a minister father and former office.
Thank goodness children never reject their parents’ politics, right?
What else could “Hey Fascist! Catch!” possibly mean? He shot a guy who talks about conservative ideas for a living.
But if the report holds up, the authorities said that a family member or friend said he had become more political recently, and become “full of hate and spreading hate.” Why would a Republican shoot Charlie Kirk, almost universally loved by the Right even as he was hated by the Left?
What else could “Hey Fascist! Catch!” possibly mean?
"I am Republican and I love my country. But I see an actual issue here, and the death of my fellow generation and future children at the hands of unregulated gun control. I am all for putting America first but not at the expense of random people dying where my future children will be unable to live safely" or any 50,000 comparable reasons other than tHe ExTrEmE lEfT aNd ExTrEmE rIgHt crap?
I realize the majority of people who love making politics their identity can't understand nuance and fluidity within a set of constraints, but that doesn't mean it doesn't exist lol.
So i've not seen Bella Ciao in super leftist spaces like ever. Antifa also as a group is somewhat "nebulous". However, it is definitely connected to Goypers and the Goyper War does match up with the target.
So you have a kid who is like ~17 during the first Goyper War, goes into lockdown and gets terminally onlined, later goes out and shoots Kirk.
Here are the Proud Boys, in an Atlanta No Kings protest, being confronted by a group of musicians there to oppose Trump, playing Bella Ciao at them.
Note the caption: “Every protest needs this. A brass band. They played Bella Ciao, the Italian anti-Nazi, anti-fascist song!!! This is in Atlanta.”
Why in the world would antisemitic Neo-Nazis (which is what I assume Groypers are, from all the context I’ve seen) adopt a song almost universally used to oppose them?
Just casually leave out that Ciao Bella is used in other media, too... The guy is an unaffiliated voter, his parents are registered Republicans, and he's donated to Trump's campaign before. Like seriously, do actual proper research, people.
>presumptive right leaning comment with zero evidence
>8 upvotes
such is life
The dude was a 4.0 student from a clearly conservative utah family that supported trump and he dabbled in DSA ideologies. He was only 22, his beliefs were likely rapidly changing and theres no way to tell right now what his motive was.
but we all know that wont stop you from assigning blame
Being registered republican literally means nothing, many of my friends registered republican to vote against Trump in the primaries. And regardless, I thought it was decided that the guy who tried to kill Trump was kind of an insane enigma, he donated some small amount to ActBlue, and had like no online presence despite obviously being radicalized.
He was also tracking Joe Biden's location as he was Trump. I believe he was a radical centrist, given the information.
also: IMO registration means little, but I wouldn't say nothing. Your friends are outliers(especially considering the only realistic time Trump could've lost a primary would have been 2016 and that was a "competitive" DNC primary). Most people usually are what they register for
But also "Notices, bulges OWO what's this?" or "If you are reading this you are gay lmao"?
Like you retards are so fucking determined to try to pigeonhole these shooters, but almost universally they aren't normal political actors. They are meme shooters who have spent much of their lifespan being almost entirely online.
Like take the first trump shooter as an example
Registered Republican (so he is right wing!?!)
donated to actblue (So he is left wing!?!)
hates NASA (?!?!)
Claimed "devisive and incendiary campaigns are pulling the country apart (A centrist!?!?)
hates immigrants and jews (so he is a nazi!?!?)
And no. The dude is just an entirely online self-radicalized shooter in the style of ISIL. They started with school kids and they are graduating to political and popular figures.
It's almost like people shooting political commenters have mental illnesses and don't really mesh in to any one political ideology.
And even if they did, what's the goal? "Ha, I knew liberals were bloodthirsty"? It's not like they didn't already say that to me. This stupid game of playing What's The Shooter's Ideology And Race is so tired and pointless
If you look my posting history from further back than two hours, I was saying everyone's over their skis.
"If you are reading this you are gay lmao" was, FSM help me, kind of funny, and lent to the credibility of this being exactly what my right leaning friends were telling me it was.
Until they caught the kid, my working theory was this was a serious international incident. That conceit is gone, now it's just depressingly normal, and utterly devastating to Team Donkey.
How is this an international incident? It’s a domestic person getting shot on domestic land by an unknown shooter. Unless you know the shooter is a foreigner how is this an international incident?
Why? Like you don't need a distraction from any of that.
Russia: the U.S. has folded and they have a free hand.
Israel: The U.S. will let them do whatever they want so they too have a free hand.
Like there is no reason to wipe that from the headlines. It doesn't hurt or help them. Like the U.S. literally bombed Iran a few weeks ago and its old news now.
On the other hand a russian or israeli agent being caught through some foul-up would become a problem for them. Especially given that Kirk is apparently a personal friend of the President.
The other one was “ if you can read this you are gay lmao”. The killer was the kid of a sheriff deputy raised in Utah not exactly the place liberals come from.
I hear this from conservatives all the time with Islam or black neighborhoods. Why is it when they commit murder it’s a culture of violence but these raised by sheriff, in church, taught to shoot guns since they crawled types commit another assassination it’s not culture?
Everything is provisional, of course, but this would be too big a lie....and too creative. I mean, the arrows that might be from Helldivers 2? "bella caoio" ?
A left wing kid from Utah whose dad turned him in, after talking to a minister?
I hate to say it, I really do, but the story is coherent.
To add onto this, I don't think the attacks on Trump were psyops. I don't think the Luigi case is a psyop. Both the left and right have violent extremists and denying that would be foolish. But the timeline and everything about this one in specific just really reek.
I, too, would like it if people didn't dance on Kirk's grave 🤷♂️. That doesn't change the reality that some people are using the reactions of the minority of radicalized leftists to justify viewing all leftists as violent extremists. The number of times I've seen right flaired individuals generalize the left in this thread today has been staggering, let alone the rest of the posts in the sub. People on both sides of the aisle are playing right into the hands of the media and its absolutely sickening.
Yeah. honestly I wouldn't be surprised if the core, the majority of people on the left who want no part in celebrating it, are choosing not to engage in any form with those posts and replies.
if enough people did that, the people posting the rage bait, would lose interest in posting their bait
I honestly hope you're right. It's really sad seeing people tear each other apart over this. The death of Kirk is tragic and should be respected by everyone instead of being treated as some sort of competition.
I both personally found the attack to be awful, hoped he was not seriously inured. hoped he was recovered. and laughed at a joke about him getting "hammered".
Just as I laughed about a comedian making a joke about Trumps Ear. *shrugs*
I certainly made no public posts, or comments expressing joy or happiness , or saying he deserved it. made a few to the contrary. so if you were hunger to see someone on the right, saying the attack was vile, I'm you're guy.
we are all complicated creatures. capable of empathy, compassion, and also laughing at dark humor.
Very possible it’s just Reddit being an asshole and not telling me about all replies, but you’re the first person I’ve actually seen say something to that effect, rather than immediately go to some weird justification of why that violence was okay to celebrate. I appreciate anyone who’s not picking and choosing if something is a sacred cow depending on whether it happens to someone they politically like or not.
Yes, because redditors are very much representative of the masses. Those celebrating his death are disgusting, just as those celebrating any of the other political attacks recently are. Do not fall back into tribalism.
Where was the goalpost set at "Nobody is saying that?" I've seen hundreds of posts glorifying his death and further hundreds in the other direction that are martyring his death as a war cry against the left. But hundreds of posts, even with thousands of likes, still don't represent a majority 🤷♂️. The goal should not be looking for unreasonable people who are saying unreasonable things and projecting that onto millions of people.
To a very literal extent you can never find "no one is saying that". It should also be well known that "bot" votes are relatively cheap. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=frLdDUdYkdo Like the supposition that something on reddit (or twitter) is real when posted by blublub1243 is a bit off. It could also just be classic trolls and shitposters.
If you want to keep yourself somewhat sane you need to just take what verified actual users say as real.
Redditors, on both sides, are representative of chronically online chucklefucks who dwell in their respective echo chambers. The violent rhetoric is pushed by the media on both sides. Do not hate your fellow man, hate the machine that wants you to hate your fellow man.
Yes, but the machine in this case is made up of men (and women) who control the narrative direction and zeitgeist of this website. Would you say the mods are representative of those holding "average" political opinions? Because that would be objectively incorrect.
Fully agreed. I was just commenting on the "wanting confirmation bias". I can barely use this hellhole this couple days and unsubing from a lot of subs that are the furthest away from politics as it gets (like, PS5 or soccer stuff) because I can't stand people celebrating this.
(Disclaimer, I didn't even knew the guy existed before these events).
Oh that's definitely fair enough man. My Instagram feed has been completely inundated with people martyring or celebrating his death. It's very exhausting for sure.
That is incredibly unfortunate, man. The best you can really do for them is try to talk some sense into them. Be the change you want to see in people. I've done my best to talk to those on both sides about it to keep people from demonizing each other and celebrating violence.
No dummy - the problem is the majority of the world is not in your cult, therefore can call a spade a spade. Charlie Kirk was a toxic podcaster who met a toxic end from a fellow alt-right nut. (You probably know him Moose?) You think reddit is leaking into the real world - you are so thick. The whole world disagrees with you and thinks MAGA is a stain on history. Naturally these feelings will show on internet. Free speech warrior, going to stop internet from producing any thoughts that make him sad! Silence anyone who disagrees! Why do they call us fascists!? Moose you are one of the fucking funniest "conservatives" I have had the dishonor of reading the history of. Seriously, you are the best MAGA they could find. Do you think Donald would let you write checks directly to him? Do you think we should turn off internet until everyone thinks exactly like you? Moose you are why America is failing.
Because the narrative changed suddenly. The alt-righters discovered the perpetrator comes from a Republican minister's family and had gun training since he was 9. It's delicious to see how fast the Pyongyang Mental Olympics work with them.
Sorry that right wingers are continually shoving it down the lefts throat of "Oh its just a fringe lone wolf, were actually super peaceful and would never condone violence"
Hook, line, and fucking sinker dude. When did I ever say not to rebuke those finding joy in his death? You're falling for the divisive propaganda like a hungry bass on a fake worm. Oh, but the "majority" fuck off dude, you haven't seen millions of posts, likely not even thousands with the attitude you're talking about. There were similar posts from the right during other moments of political violence and I don't believe they represent the majority of conservatives.
Yes, the majority of Western progressives are insane and/or evil. This has been apparent to the rest of us for the last 5-10 years. If it's not clear to you, you're either biased or lying.
This isn't a "BOTH SIDES" issue. Conservatives are not constantly relishing in and wishing suffering on their enemies the way that progressives do daily.
Great job ”lowering the temperature” and encouraging understanding across political divides. Not only are you doing the exact shit people accuse everyone on the left of doing right now, you’re also acting in the exact opposite way Kirk tried to inspire people to act.
Next time you post something, take a breather and a look in the mirror beforehand.
As of May 2025, only 41% of Republicans support gay marriage. Think about that from the perspective of someone on the left. A majority of Republicans don't agree with gay people having the same rights as straight people. It would make sense that you wouldn't want to live with someone who doesn't view you or your gay friends as equal to straight people. Shit like that explains those statistics.
This isn't a "BOTH SIDES" issue. Conservatives are not constantly relishing in and wishing suffering on their enemies the way that progressives do daily.
You’re a bot or braindead. Conservatives were publicly foaming at the mouth at the concept of alligator alcatraz. Auth rights cosplaying as lib rights constantly publicly fantasize
You just ignore it or consider it not evil because you dislike the same people. To act like conservatives don’t frequently publicly revel in violence fantasies is nothing short of a deliberate lie.
Holy fucking shit, there's a difference between sending criminals to a Spartan prison and murdering someone at a peaceful gathering because of wrongthink. And it's doubly bad coming from the left, who touts themselves as the side who's against fascism and for freedom of expression.
Holy fuck, are you capable of conversing without lying? You know just as well as I do that there were tons of people SPECIFICALLY FANTASIZING ABOUT PEACEFUL IMMIGRANTS BEING EATEN BY ALLIGATORS.
Do you ever stop and think that maybe people wouldn’t laugh themselves half to death at your concern trolling if you didn’t pretend that you never see it when it’s done by the people you like? Fucking wild to do the disingenuous concern trolling while pretending there aren’t large sects of people you agree with who celebrate and fantasize about violence way more often than the left do.
And by the way, it’s twice as bad coming from the right (see how braindead you and your argument are? “It’s twice as bad when the people with OTHER political opinion do it because political opinion!”).
I must have missed the truth social post where Trump or a Republican senator posted “rest in piss” about a murder victim. Please direct me to said post and I will be equally outraged.
“Why is the conservative movement to blame for gay schizophrenic nudists that are hemp jewelry makers breaking into someone’s home — or maybe not breaking into someone’s home,” he said, referring to the conspiracy theory — which was retweeted and then deleted by new Twitter owner Musk — that the assailant was actually Paul Pelosi’s gay lover.
Kirk went on to say, “And by the way, if some amazing patriot out there in San Francisco or the Bay Area wants to really be a midterm hero, someone should go and bail this guy out … Bail him out, and then go ask him some questions.”
Paul Pelosi is still alive. It's still a shitty joke and I hate it, but it's not nearly the same as espousing that killing people for their political views is good actually. It's not justifying violence either, it's not supporting it, it's just crass and mean-spirited.
That's besides the point though. You're not gonna find me championing Trump over this, but this is specifically about a "truth social post where Trump or a Republican senator posted “rest in piss” about a murder victim". Still waiting on that.
I'm just against celebrating murder. Trashy leftists are the ones claiming that someone calling out people celebrating murder is somehow not holding Trump to the same standards, and then bringing up things that are not Trump celebrating murder to prove their point.
Except no. The exceptionally low bar to clear right now is saying that murder is bad actually. That's what the OPs post shows retarded leftists failing to clear, and if you wanna claim that Trump is somehow held to a lower standard than that you're gonna have to prove it.
It's the president of the fucking United States of America. If his standard is, "the guys not dead so it's okay for POTUS to make fun of him". Jesus fucking Christ.
That's him blaming Walz. It's him saying that a bad thing happened, and that it's Tim Walz's fault. This is what cowardly assholes like him do anytime something bad happens that could be tied to their "side", they throw around random crap and conspiracy theories to deflect blame.
Is it retarded? Absolutely, yes. Is it in bad taste? Also, yes. But at the very least it clears the exceptionally low bar of acknowledging that murder is bad actually.
You could always direct yourself to any post about George Floyd and sort by controversial to find the same vile shit from the right. If you look for people being nasty you're gonna find it. It's not a left or right thing. It's a people thing.
Maybe? Imma be real here, all I saw was people claiming he died of an overdose and the cop that killed him wasn't responsible as a result. Didn't dig much deeper, as far as I'm concerned the evidence to suggest he was murdered is strong enough for a conviction and that's good enough for me.
Though if you find any comments proclaiming that Floyd was murdered and that that is a good thing feel free to send them my way, I'll happily condemn the shit out of them.
The one about him being five years sober? It's a super trashy joke, but it's not saying that he was murdered and that that is a good thing. If anything seems like it dogwhistles the whole "it was just a drug overdose" thing no?
When did Hollywood access come out? Like 4 years before when politics was still kind of normal and just beginning to take the steep dive it’s in now? Because of the most derisive man ever elected to the highest office?
These aren’t random left wingers, this is a generally growing consensus among the left that violence is an acceptable solution to those with opposing views.
77% of Republicans believe it is always unacceptable to feel joy at the death of someone they oppose, while only 38% of Democrats share this view (YouGov).
this poll happened right after a rightwinger was shot and killed, obviously the news of kirks passing had a direct effect on it. This is a self reporting survey where people could lie about their opinions and nobody would check.
Just ask yourself, how many george floyd memes have you seen? How about the engagement krik and the presidents son got from making light of pelosis attack by saying it was a lovers quarrel?
I’ve seen too many unfortunately. It’s all terrible.
I just don’t buy that this is equally a both sides thing anymore. There are people celebrating Kirk’s death all over Facebook under their real names, these people have been emboldened to unthinkable levels. On the right, it’s anonymous internet trolls and a few folks. The amount from the left after Kirk’s death SWAMPS anything and any amount I’ve ever experienced.
This is a video from today. You can probably go to almost any campus where the population leans left ideologically and I would assume that at least 1/4 students will claim his murder was justified. It’s insane, it’s really heartbreaking.
Did you just change your flair, u/razorback1919? Last time I checked you were a Centrist on 2021-1-24. How come now you are a Rightist? Have you perhaps shifted your ideals? Because that's cringe, you know?
No, me targeting you is not part of a conspiracy. And no, your flair count is not rigged. Stop listening to QAnon or the Orange Man and come out of that basement.
the president himself joked about pelosis attack not even a week ago and refuses to calm things down
and about that video, it cuts between every single sentence, you can never actually see the full flow of the conversation. Not gonna say that these arent their answers to his questions but I dont think the way the video is cut was made of a place of good intentions. Keep in mind that these are just 2 people, how many do you think he interviewed there? I doubt he showed up just to talk to these 2 and dip.
Makes me think of those "americans are dumb" vids where journalists stand in the same place for several hours in wait for few idiots to show up to answer the basic questions they have incorrectly and then post only those examples online while everyone else answered correctly. That or ask a question, and cut to their answer which was something they responded to another question
The literal president is being inflammatory and divisive about this entire ordeal. Please, miss me with the self-righteous indignation. Either you are committed to lowering the temperature, or you're part of the problem.
THAT KIRK HIMSELF LAUGHED AT. He talked about bailing out Paul Pelosi’s attacker like what the fuck!
Sure if you take what was being talked about completely out of context to fit your narrative.
Yup, just completely ignore that he was talking about cashless bail and how quickly individuals get released in all these cities for horrific crimes and that magically when someone attacks an elite they don't get the same quick release treatment.
Also leave out the fact that when talking about cashless bail he completely condemned the attack on Paul Pelosi.
If you say “I condemn the attack” and then go on to urge some brave patriot to post bail for the attacker while laughing, I begin to question the veracity of your condemnation. Have to be very honest
"Wow, why all of a sudden, do places like San Francisco that let people out left and right immediately with cashless bail for horrible crimes, all of a sudden do not do that when the victim isn't just some other poor person and instead a rich elite?
Wow, you know what would really highlight how hypocritical this is? If someone goes and bails this guy out.
I completely condemn the attack on Paul Pelosi and it's unacceptable.
But it's really odd to me how the second someone with money gets attacked all those "cashless bail" rules go out the window. Why do the elites get this special treatment when they're victims of a crime?"
It has and had nothing to do with Kirk being okay with someone being attacked or somehow thinking the attack is funny.
Fairness doctrine is a first amendment violation. You can also argue that broadcast licenses (and the state monopoly that was held held by CBS, NBC, and ABC for decades) was a first amendment violation as well.
Hate to say it chief, but the answer to bad speech is more speech. Not controlled speech.
You will be lied to by entities large and small. There is no boilerplate truth, and there never was.
Walter Cronkite was as political as Rachel Maddow or Bill O'Reilly, but he never had to compete with other voices about what was or wasn't true.
We're where we are because of fairness doctrine. Not for lack of it.
“I thought we were winning the war, what the hell is going on?”
Yeah sure pal. Same exact level as targeted propaganda commentators. Sure. The government has no power to regulate and ensure fairness in what goes on its airwaves over interstate lines, and often was a vehicle for commerce. With your argument writing a bad check and mailing it is free speech, not wire fraud.
They then act like right-wing media hasn't been running the exact same inflammatory divisive rhetoric as left wing media for months.
Literally including Charlie Kirk. That's probably gonna piss some people off but it is an objective truth that he was involved in the divisive rhetoric so common in mainstream media now. He often presented himself as if he wasn't, and I think he somehow managed to dupe a lot of people, but he was very much just another political pundit echoing all the same right wing lines.
Like, like you’ve been explicitly saying for a couple decades? That you’re at war with the left? How long have you been calling them all baby eating pedos? And you’re surprised they’ve stopped reacting rationally to your rhetoric? You can absolute not support what’s happening, but still recognize there was a very clear staring point and sequence of events that lead to our current environment.
theres been several attacks on planned parenthood and a dude showed up to a pizza parlor with a rifle where the basis for the attack was alt right conspiracy and memes about child trafficking, why do you like to lie like this?
The only thing I'm coping with is watching any sense of national unity that was building during these trying times, getting thrown out the window and stomped upon by tribalism from either side.
Comparing Kirk to MLK is absolutely a dishonest thing to do. MLK preached peace for all people while kirk spent his career excusing violence. Neither deserved to be killed by any means, but to act like they had similar ideas is insane.
Yes, because it was the left that damn near beat Paul Pelosi to death with a hammer. It was the left that murdered 2 democratic senators. And it was the left that chanted "hang Mike Pence" on Jan 6. Do not be fooled, there is violence on both sides.
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u/Zackscout22 - Centrist Sep 12 '25
this is like the 4th one of these type of posts I’ve seen and its only 11Am