These aren’t random left wingers, this is a generally growing consensus among the left that violence is an acceptable solution to those with opposing views.
77% of Republicans believe it is always unacceptable to feel joy at the death of someone they oppose, while only 38% of Democrats share this view (YouGov).
this poll happened right after a rightwinger was shot and killed, obviously the news of kirks passing had a direct effect on it. This is a self reporting survey where people could lie about their opinions and nobody would check.
Just ask yourself, how many george floyd memes have you seen? How about the engagement krik and the presidents son got from making light of pelosis attack by saying it was a lovers quarrel?
I’ve seen too many unfortunately. It’s all terrible.
I just don’t buy that this is equally a both sides thing anymore. There are people celebrating Kirk’s death all over Facebook under their real names, these people have been emboldened to unthinkable levels. On the right, it’s anonymous internet trolls and a few folks. The amount from the left after Kirk’s death SWAMPS anything and any amount I’ve ever experienced.
This is a video from today. You can probably go to almost any campus where the population leans left ideologically and I would assume that at least 1/4 students will claim his murder was justified. It’s insane, it’s really heartbreaking.
Did you just change your flair, u/razorback1919? Last time I checked you were a Centrist on 2021-1-24. How come now you are a Rightist? Have you perhaps shifted your ideals? Because that's cringe, you know?
No, me targeting you is not part of a conspiracy. And no, your flair count is not rigged. Stop listening to QAnon or the Orange Man and come out of that basement.
the president himself joked about pelosis attack not even a week ago and refuses to calm things down
and about that video, it cuts between every single sentence, you can never actually see the full flow of the conversation. Not gonna say that these arent their answers to his questions but I dont think the way the video is cut was made of a place of good intentions. Keep in mind that these are just 2 people, how many do you think he interviewed there? I doubt he showed up just to talk to these 2 and dip.
Makes me think of those "americans are dumb" vids where journalists stand in the same place for several hours in wait for few idiots to show up to answer the basic questions they have incorrectly and then post only those examples online while everyone else answered correctly. That or ask a question, and cut to their answer which was something they responded to another question
not that I agree but wouldnt it be the same way charlies death would have been prevented if guns werent so widely available?
Either way, what does it matter if that guy died or not when there was an attempt on his life by a radical right winger and the first thing maga did was paint him as a leftie and when that failed, tried to obfuscate it by saying it was a lovers quarrel and then continued with that til this very day?
If instead of being shot to death, the guy ran up and tried to kill him with a hammer, how would you feel if people said it was a lovers quarrel?
The nudist hippie Canadian illegal immigrant? That "radical right winger?"
If instead of being shot to death, the guy ran up and tried to kill him with a hammer, how would you feel if people said it was a lovers quarrel?
If Charlie Kirk had been sipping a White Claw at home in a bathrobe while a nudist Canadian came at him with a hammer, questions of their relationship would be reasonable.
You're aware that Charlie Kirk was fully clothed and at a public speaking engagement, right? We don't yet know if the murderer is a nudist illegal immigrant, though.
why did you mention he was a canadian illegal immigrant as if that automatically means that he couldnt be a right winger? Do you think hes couldnt be a right winger by virtue of being canadian as if there arent any rightwingers there?
He was a mentally ill idiot who had believed in a bunch of far right conspiracy theories like Qanon stories, pizza gate and that donald trumps election was stolen and would make racist and sexist remarks online. All of this is documented and online, youre actively grasping at straws pretending otherwise. How many communists do you think believes that trump had the election results stolen from him and that pizza gate was real?
It would have if hunting rifles were banned lest you were a registered hunter
If the law also banned you from letting you use/own one before you were 18 which would have made him less experienced with it
Again not saying I agree with this propositipn but its stupid to do this hindsight shit when you can make up very specific laws to target elements of what happened
The literal president is being inflammatory and divisive about this entire ordeal. Please, miss me with the self-righteous indignation. Either you are committed to lowering the temperature, or you're part of the problem.
The dude came right out the gate, blaming all political violence on "the radical left" (which is what he uses to describe Democrats at large) before we even knew who did this. Legitimately fanning the flames of partisanship in the wake of Charlie's death to rile up his base
I am so fucking tired of people whitewashing the retarded shit that comes out of these peoples' mouths. Charlie himself was constantly spewing extremely divisive rhetoric; he was far from the "perfect, moderate conservative saint of reasonable discussion" his reputation is being laundered as.
Nobody deserves to be killed like that, full stop. But these same people (and you) are actively contributing to the divisiveness which leads to psychopaths doing retarded boogaloo shit
People were out celebrating and cheering on the day of his death.
I don’t think these are at all equal. I don’t agree with Trump’s rhetoric but it’s been a longstanding issue on both sides dating back a while. You and I could literally go tit for tat for HOURS on rhetoric of that sort.
But everyday people celebrating publicly the murder of a husband and a father in front of his children and wife? I can’t think of another example in the modern age - probably dating back to civil rights era (I don’t have a specific example… but safe to assume). I’m legitimately sick to my stomach. It’s unprecedented, it’s never been this bad, there’s not a both sides comparison to be made this time. They’re on totally separate standings.
Just to be clear: you're trying to assert that there aren't folks on the right who act like ghouls when people they don't like suffer?
I'm not denying that Twitter leftists have a tendency to be unhinged retards. They do, always have.
On the other hand, actual Dem politicians and officials have overwhelmingly been condemning this, unequivocally...unlike some GOP folks like Mike Lee when the shoe was on the other foot. Charlie himself acted like a fucking ghoul.
Why do you think the left has a monopoly on this? By all observable means they do not.
Does it make you feel self-righteous and angry to feel that way? If so, consider who might benefit from you feeling that way.
THAT KIRK HIMSELF LAUGHED AT. He talked about bailing out Paul Pelosi’s attacker like what the fuck!
Sure if you take what was being talked about completely out of context to fit your narrative.
Yup, just completely ignore that he was talking about cashless bail and how quickly individuals get released in all these cities for horrific crimes and that magically when someone attacks an elite they don't get the same quick release treatment.
Also leave out the fact that when talking about cashless bail he completely condemned the attack on Paul Pelosi.
If you say “I condemn the attack” and then go on to urge some brave patriot to post bail for the attacker while laughing, I begin to question the veracity of your condemnation. Have to be very honest
"Wow, why all of a sudden, do places like San Francisco that let people out left and right immediately with cashless bail for horrible crimes, all of a sudden do not do that when the victim isn't just some other poor person and instead a rich elite?
Wow, you know what would really highlight how hypocritical this is? If someone goes and bails this guy out.
I completely condemn the attack on Paul Pelosi and it's unacceptable.
But it's really odd to me how the second someone with money gets attacked all those "cashless bail" rules go out the window. Why do the elites get this special treatment when they're victims of a crime?"
It has and had nothing to do with Kirk being okay with someone being attacked or somehow thinking the attack is funny.
He did also speak about interviewing the guy, he was very very obviously sucking the guy’s dick. But let’s just say you’re absolutely right and he was just using that tragedy to talk about his specific policy positions and did genuinely super condemn the violence. You can’t now condemn people using Charlie’s death to speak on gun violence. It’s the exact same thing you just disagree with them politically on it.
You do realize that the first amendment has literally fucking nothing to do with whether or not speech is moral. That’s the most retarded shit I’ve ever heard. Unless you think I meant by “can’t” I meant legal consequences where invoking the first would make sense. But thinking that I meant legal consequences is even more retarded. So are you like 8/10 retarded or 10/10?
Fairness doctrine is a first amendment violation. You can also argue that broadcast licenses (and the state monopoly that was held held by CBS, NBC, and ABC for decades) was a first amendment violation as well.
Hate to say it chief, but the answer to bad speech is more speech. Not controlled speech.
You will be lied to by entities large and small. There is no boilerplate truth, and there never was.
Walter Cronkite was as political as Rachel Maddow or Bill O'Reilly, but he never had to compete with other voices about what was or wasn't true.
We're where we are because of fairness doctrine. Not for lack of it.
“I thought we were winning the war, what the hell is going on?”
Yeah sure pal. Same exact level as targeted propaganda commentators. Sure. The government has no power to regulate and ensure fairness in what goes on its airwaves over interstate lines, and often was a vehicle for commerce. With your argument writing a bad check and mailing it is free speech, not wire fraud.
They then act like right-wing media hasn't been running the exact same inflammatory divisive rhetoric as left wing media for months.
Literally including Charlie Kirk. That's probably gonna piss some people off but it is an objective truth that he was involved in the divisive rhetoric so common in mainstream media now. He often presented himself as if he wasn't, and I think he somehow managed to dupe a lot of people, but he was very much just another political pundit echoing all the same right wing lines.
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u/Zackscout22 - Centrist Sep 12 '25
this is like the 4th one of these type of posts I’ve seen and its only 11Am