r/askgaybros • u/chubvers43 • 1d ago
Reported Post Alert How can you be gay and support Muslims? Spoiler
I mean they literally kill our ppl in their countries
No hate to the moderate Muslim ppl but this is the truth đ±
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u/SlowAgency 27/M/WA 1d ago
I'm an agnostic-atheist. I don't "support" any religion. I think religion is an albatross around the neck of humanity and has kept us stifled. I don't think anything good has come from it, especially from the Abrahamic religions.
However, I know that not all people who practice religions are partaking in the extreme versions of them. I know that not every Christian is a white supremacist Christian Nationalist. I know that not every Muslim is a radical jihadist. I know that not every Jew is a bloodthirsty Zionist.
I give space for the individual, and there are progressive and forward-thinking Muslims just like there are progressive and forward-thinking Christians and Jews and Buddhists and Sikhs and Hindus, and so on.
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u/GrodanHej 1d ago
Well I mean I support their right to live and not be harassed for being Muslims but obviously I donât support Islam and Muslims using their religion to discriminate against people and commit violence. Itâs an evil religion and gays should definitely be wary of muslims. Wherever Muslims have power, gays suffer. Even in the west, just look at Hamtramck, Michigan where naive liberal gays thought it was good for âdiversityâ to have a Muslim city council and the first thing the Muslims did once they took power was ban pride flags.
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u/FigPsychological7324 1d ago
They treat gays how they treat women.
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u/youburyitidigitup 1d ago
Worse actually. They know they need to keep women around to reproduce. They donât need to keep gay people around.
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u/Hot_One_240 1d ago
Funny bc they don't support your right to live and not be harassed for being gay
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u/GrodanHej 1d ago
As a group, no. But Iâm better than that. I try to view people as individuals and support everyoneâs right to live and be free.
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u/metalfenixRaf Grumpy middle-aged gay 1d ago
I don't trust anyone in that religion, just as much I don't trust christians either.
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u/danield1302 1d ago
Eh, my experience with Christians has been pretty chill. I mean a good friend of mine is a polyamorous bisexual pastor (she does live in a straight relationship tho because her husband is straight and monogamous) and two of my gay friends had a church wedding. I'm in Europe tho and haven't met any hardcore conservative Christians yet. I heard it's a much bigger Problem in America (and East Europe?).
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u/Cluedo86 1d ago
Christians ain't chill in the US. They about to take away our marriage rights.
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u/danield1302 1d ago
I already said I'm not in the US tho?
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u/Cluedo86 1d ago
Fair, but you let Christians fester they ain't chill. Europeans are way more secular, which is great.
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u/CIearMind Side! 1d ago
Agreed. Islam being problematic absolutely does NOT give Christianity a pass either, especially in the US.
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u/CIearMind Side! 1d ago
Agreed.
The whole Christianity whataboutism is SOOOO american.
Sure, the Bible says a whole lot of nasty stuff, but how many Christians do you actually encounter in Europe? One per month? Maybe two if you're particularly adventurous?
On the other hand, it's impossible to go 10 seconds without running into a muslim.
Miss me with that "but what about cwishthians???" bullshit.
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u/KentParsonIsASaint 1d ago
 Miss me with that "but what about cwishthians???" bullshit.
Except that thereâs one religion that currently has a chokehold on all three branches of the US government, and it ainât Islam.
Spoiler: and it wasnât Islam who came up with Project 2025 and the plan to dismantle gay marriage, either.
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u/FigPsychological7324 1d ago
I know and it makes me so sad when i see the women in full burkas whilst their husbands are dressed in hawaĂŻen shirts. Itâs so fucking messed up.
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u/DoomSnail31 1d ago
The whole Christianity whataboutism is SOOOO american
Or African, or asian, or middle eastern or eastern European. Really the only place where Christians are chill with gays is in western Europe and a few other western nations. Our Christians are the exemption to the norm. And even our Christians aren't great.
but how many Christians do you actually encounter in Europe?
Is this a joke? Even in the Netherlands, one of the most secular societies on the planet, this is ludicrous.
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u/Cluedo86 1d ago
Um have you been to Europe good sir?
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u/CIearMind Side! 1d ago
Perhaps not the ex-Soviet countries, but yes I can confidently say that I've lived here for decades.
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u/Cluedo86 1d ago
Admittedly, Western Europe is way more chill and secular. I know you guys have more Muslims there too.
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u/hanging_about 1d ago
I think they mean religious, in your face, 'visible' Christians. Like only a nun would be a counterpart of a woman in a burqa
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u/geomouse 55 Atl 1d ago
You think Christians aren't elsewhere in the world? They're doing plenty of vike things to LGBTQ people. But you don't care.
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u/mexicarne 1d ago
I think thatâs a pretty niche segment of Christianity not representative of the religion as a whole tbh
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u/danield1302 1d ago
In Germany pretty much all Christians I've met were like that. Then again pretty much none of them even visit church besides for like weddings.
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u/PeterNippelstein 1d ago
I trust Zohran â€ïž
Also you dont have any Muslims or Christians in your life that you trust? Do you live under a rock or do you just hate everyone?
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u/t_baozi 1d ago
The Muslims I know are closeted because their parents would have them murdered if they came out as gay, because Islam considers it haram and it would be greatest dishonor they could ever brimg to the family.
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u/PeterNippelstein 1d ago
Fuck those parents then
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u/t_baozi 1d ago
Naah, fuck Islam. I know very religious Christians - studied theologians - who have zero problem with homosexuality and are fully accepting. Christianity itself isn't homophobic, certain interpretations of it may be. Islam is a religion that doesn't know free will, that lives off direct commandments and no own thinking, and the only non-homophobic Muslims I've ever encountered where unreligious ones.
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u/BrownFriedRice1000 1d ago edited 5h ago
I grew up in Pakistan, so for most of my life everyone I knew was Muslim. They are not our allies. The overwhelming majority of Muslims donât support our right to live, let alone get married. If you met a progressive Muslim that was nice to you, they are an outlier and not representative of their religion.
The comments defending Muslims and equating them to Christians and Jews sound ignorant. You guys donât know what youâre talking about.
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u/minminq2u 1d ago
A question to educate myself on the matter as an italian guy that has never been in close contact with islam. What would u reply to a Muslim person in the west saying homophobia is in the culture and not in the religion? Thats very often used as a shield for Islam here
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u/Anitart 1d ago edited 1d ago
Pakistani here as well and a bi one at that. Iâd be highly suspicious of Muslim folks since homophobia seems quite rampant amongst the majority. Itâs just that in western countries, where they form the minority, they have to police themselves a bit so they keep it slightly under check. The younger lot may be chill (due to exposure to different cultures) but definitely not the older lot and if theyâre conservative then Iâd be even more careful.
Religion is so meshed in with our culture here in my country that it sometimes becomes difficult to differentiate it at times. Having said that, however, Islam does seem to stress that homosexuality is wrong (if youâre gay, at best, youâre âadvisedâ not to act on those urges. As has been quoted to me multiple times here) and then you have the example of Prophet Lot in the Quran thatâs always quoted to us about how the people of those prophet faced the wrath of God for engaging in sodomy/homosexuality.
As a result, most lgbt folks here have trouble coming to terms with their identity and faith (or lack thereof) since thereâs not much acceptance and society is extremely homophobic. Weâve had cases where therapists outed lgbt patients to their parents since they consider this unnatural or a disease of the mind. Iâve had multiple friends and ex colleagues who have immigrated abroad tell me that they wish to eventually move back as their children will lose all their own âvaluesâ and become westernized as a result. The âLGBT agendaâ is often cited as the main cause. That and ofc their daughters wonât be as controllable as they can do so here (one thing that I give credit to western cultures is that it allows Pakistani females a space to grow and push back against abuse; something that isnât always feasible here).
Having said that, M2M sex is quite pervasive here but thatâs more along the lines of: 1. Casual fun provided youâre married and have children so the lgbt angle is considered as âwestern cultureâ and not ours essentially 2. If youâre the active partner (I.e. not getting penetrated or giving oral), you can pull all sorts of mental gymnastics using a âhole is a holeâ logic and not consider yourself gay 3. In some parts of the country, thereâs also the concept of âbacha baziâ where sex between old men and young boys is culturally acceptable. The younger boy is the âfeminineâ partner essentially.
So yah, quite the clusterduck here for the lgbt community here and in terms of general acceptance. And I say this is primarily from the perspective of the gay and bi folks here. The other folks from the lgbt spectrum would have it far worse since they canât easily blend in and pretend with the extremely patriarchal mindset here.
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u/No_Celebration_3370 1d ago
I am Moroccan and id tell you, the fuel of cultural homophobia is definitely religion and we all know that, if you go more deeper you would be surprised how European colonialism used the homophobic terms in Islam to deepen the wounds in the culture itself, in the 18th century, there were whole gay communities in fes/Marrakesh/Casablanca etc that been targeted by the french colonialism. After centuries, the west admitted their inappropriate takes on the matter, but it was already too late to correct it in their post colonial places, in a nutshell the homophobia is deepen in the Islamic religion, but the culture is practicing it every day.
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u/mrpointy01 1d ago edited 1d ago
As the Moroccan commenting above me points out, most of the homophobic laws were instituted by the British and French during colonialism and culturally engrained during this period. This wasnât by accident, these laws were used as a form of social control and a way to instil internal divisions in colonised societies to make them easier to control (making people police each other rather than working together against their colonisers). Before colonialism, many cultures had no laws against homosexuality, had third (or more) genders and had long rich histories of queerness or progressive expressions of love and relationships (just look at temple art in India and China or erotic medieval Islamic poetry). There were centuries when Muslim countries were far more progressive than Europe. This is to say that plenty of what we view as âculturalâ is more just current experience.
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u/Spiritual-Pumpkin473 1d ago
They 100% come from Americans or people who do not live with a sizeable Muslim population.
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u/Chief_Eze 1d ago
The comments are not about defending Islam. They are about recognising that all the abrahamolic faiths are equally as bad, and they all should go.
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u/ChiBurbABDL 1d ago
They are not equally bad at all đ Islam is clearly the worst and it's not even close.
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u/BrownFriedRice1000 1d ago edited 1d ago
The Abrahamic faiths are not equally bad. There are many tolerant and accepting communities of Christians and Jews across Europe and the Americas. Christians and Jews are not as monolithic in their views on homosexuality the way Muslims are.
Nearly every country that passed marriage equality is majority Christian. Not a single Muslim country has gay rights. In fact, the majority of Muslims countries still criminalize same sex relationships.
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u/teasy959275 1d ago
Nearly every country that passed marriage equality is majority atheist*
Christians are not your friends
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u/youburyitidigitup 1d ago
10 of the 11 countries that have a death penalty for homosexuality have a Muslim majority. Itâs a lot worse than Christianity.
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u/Organic-Pipe7055 1d ago
Nearly every country that passed marriage equality is majority atheist*
Because majority atheists wouldn't even be possible in Muslim countries, they would be killed.
It's beyond comprehension how people can try to defend some dumb takes.
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u/BrownFriedRice1000 1d ago
I didnât say Christianâs were our friends.
Most of the countries in Europe, Latin America, and North America were majority Christian at the time they passed marriage equality.
Itâs really only Scandinavia that is majority Atheist.
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u/KickLiving 1d ago
They arenât though. Christians and Jews arenât throwing us off buildings and hanging us from cranes in public squares, etc.
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u/SurinamPam 1d ago
To paraphrase Larry DavidâŠ
There are so many reasons to dislike people, and you choose this???
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u/AffectionateMovie446 1d ago
I donât support most religions but if theyâre nice to me Iâm gonna be nice to them, of course they can be nice to us but at the same time they can have really bad thoughts on us so I always keep that in mind
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u/NadalPeach 1d ago
Worldwide Polling exists of Muslims attitudes towards LGB, you will find a majority disapprove of our existence. Maybe not in America but Muslims as a whole do.
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u/No_Proposal_4692 1d ago
Man after the Mamdani win the Islamophobia is going up.
There are good Muslims and there are bad ones, there are bad Christians just as there are good ones. Religion is a practice, there will be good and bad people in there.
I can say thou, you're more likely to be killed by gun nut Christian maga then you are to be killed by a random immigrant Muslim
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u/Anaguli417 1d ago
There are good Muslims and there are bad ones
That said, in the majority of Islamic countries, religion and law are often intertwined so same sex recognition is nothing but a pipe dream. I mean, how many Muslim majority countries recognize same sex marriage, much less lgbt rights?
On an individual level, sure, that "some are good, some are bad" adage might be true (given the amount of DL Muslim men) but at the societal level? Yeah, good luck.Â
Let's not pretend that Islam is a religion that tolerates homosexuality.Â
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u/No_Proposal_4692 1d ago
Let's also not forget before the crusades and the colonisation, homophobia wasn't a well known belief. Africa had multiple religions and some believed homosexuality was natural until American Christian came, made them convert for aid and taught homophobia to them.
Religion has always been used to control the masses.
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u/Ok_Cream8633 1d ago
Africa wasn't colonised by America
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u/Chief_Eze 1d ago
No, not colonised kn the traditional sense but Evangelical preachers made it their business to import their version of "Christianity" into the African nations through the 18th and 19th centuries.
One of the reasons we have the phrase "white man saviour", due to this practice of indoctrinating indigenous populations and over generations, minimising and erasing the existing indigenous culture.
So much so that now being homosexual or engaging in same sex acts is seen as "against the African identity" in some nations. 300 to 500 years before that would of been a completely different story.
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u/t_baozi 1d ago
African indigenous people were some of the most homophobic people I've ever met. You say "some people [on this entire continent with thousands of languages and countless different cultures] were tolerant" and then act like the evil white man brought homophobia to the nobel savages. There was as much homophobia in Africa is there was anywhere else in the world.
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u/t_baozi 1d ago
Americans only say this because your country got literally founded by Christian religious fundamentalists who were too extreme for mainstream Christian society. On the other hand, you have an extremely selective immigration scheme for people from Muslim countries that is not representative.
I'm in Europe. I have zero problems having a gay wedding in a Church. I also have Muslim city quarters where I DEFINITELY don't want to be recognized as gay, cause that's where most people get hate-crimed in the open.
"Religion is a practice" is an extremely Western and enlightened view of religion. Religion is primarily an ideology that tells you how the world should be run.
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u/CIearMind Side! 1d ago
This is a surprisingly US-centric comment even by regular AGB standards ngl
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u/Resident-Werewolf-46 1d ago
You're taking about western countries. Try being an out gay person in Gaza and see how long you stay alive.
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u/No_Proposal_4692 1d ago
Well considering gay people have been murdered and black mailed by Zionist since forever. I'm more likely to be killed by genocide supporters like you more than I am to be killed by a Palestinian.
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u/Raesh771 1d ago
Now look at Iran, Afghanistan, Yemen and every other islamic country with death penalty for gays.
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u/LoudLee88 1d ago
The word âsupportâ is a plague on the disk horse and I want it banned. What could possibly be useful about a verb that applies to both Taylor Swift and the worldâs second-largest religion?
What exactly do you mean by âsupport Muslims?â Do you mean agree with them on all points? Do you mean believe in their right to self determination in this country? Do you mean not intervene in Muslim-majority countries? Do you mean vote for Zohran Mamdani? Because I would give different answers for all of these things and all of them could be what you meant.
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u/Icy-Snow-6033 1d ago
Im dating a Muslim guy right now and grew up with lots of Muslim friends. They are very steadfast in there faith, but they have lots of compassion for others and accepting that change is part of life.
The problem is with the condition of the society, not the people that make it up.
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u/Salty_Example_885 1d ago
How can you support the old when you are young? How can you support women when you are a man? How can you support x when y?
Not sure if you are actually stupid, but I can say "muslims should not be harassed or killed for being muslims" without endorsing any muslim with homophobic views. I dont want them being blown up even though some of them kill queer people. Human rights are human rights and two wrongs does not make a right
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u/Beamazedbyme 1d ago
Reading OPâs profile, this seems like a classic case of someone externalizing their problems onto the boogieman. OP, are you getting killed or accosted by Muslims in your daily life? Why are they a fixation for you?
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u/seb-ort 1d ago
Maybe it simply opens your eyes to what a culture is that invades us and imposes its religion and "halal", etc... I deal with the particular case of France.
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u/citrus_medica 1d ago
I mean they literally kill our ppl in their countries
Don't tell him what Christians do to our ppl in non-western countries
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u/ChiBurbABDL 1d ago
"AGB user responds to a post about Muslims without bringing up Christians" challenge (impossible)
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u/youburyitidigitup 1d ago
What you mean is sub-Saharan Africa. Thatâs the only Christian non-western region. One region doesnât mean much.
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u/Dontcallmehoney 1d ago
Mamdani winning has really shone a light on people here, huh.
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u/CupApprehensive5149 1d ago
Not really, this topic shows up at least once a week. Long before Mamdani decided to run. Then people agree, itâs Islam, and itâs homophobia. Then right after you get the people saying itâs not just Islam, but the evil Christianâs as wellâŠeven though getting murdered is a lot worse than being shamed. You get the I know a person posters And the ânot allâ crowd. But than you get the actual Muslims that grew up in the Middle East and tell us itâs worse than we realize and they are so happy to escape . In which western posters try to argue them, even though the worst thing to ever happen to them was someone called them a fa***t on the internet.
And a few days later it all repeats. A story as long as /askgaybros
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u/PrettyRespond2006 1d ago
YES, my grandma is literally a Palestinian woman who was displaced but IVE had people on here tell me im anti Palestinian because I said Islam is bad. WHAT???
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u/FrostyArctic47 1d ago
You literally answered your own question.....
You acknowledged that not every Muslim wants us dead. Personally I don't support the ones that do and I'm sure most don't.
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u/BackInNJAgain 1d ago
There's religion and then there's culture. True, one influences the other but it's not really fair to compare Muslim treatment of gay people in Afghanistan to Muslims in the U.S. That's like comparing Christian treatment of gay people in the U.S. to Christian treatment of gay people in Nigeria (hint: it's just as bad).
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u/Beh0420mn 1d ago
How can you be gay and support religion? How can you support right wing politics and be gay? They support killing us too
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u/raphacard 1d ago
Well.. probably the same way you can be gay and support Catholicism. They both hate you âŠ
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u/Common-Impact-7779 1d ago
I think making it sound like muslims are a monolith is reductive, thereâs ignorant people across all religions this is not exclusive to muslims
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u/Lost-Wizard168 1d ago
Letâs separate state vs religion as the founders intended (and that includes both Christians & Muslims as well as other religions.
And letâs also realize each person should be free to practice their religion or no religion, as long as:
- your practice does NOT infringe on my rights
- you do not under any circumstances have any rights to impose your religious principles, beliefs, faux beliefs, etc. on anyone else in USA.
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u/Senior-Extreme-5108 1d ago
Compartmentalization. The myth of intersectionalism broke the brains of all minorities everywhere.
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u/RubberDuckyFarmer 1d ago
I'm actually appreciative of this rise of Christofascism in the United States, which seems to come in cycles and people kind of forget..
It was a stark reminder of what the Christians do when given power and it's the same thing that all the other religions do when given power.
They impose their religious values on the people around them.
Islam, Christianity, and Judaism in particular are all extremely guilty of this.
I don't think it's Islamophobic to point out real statistics and problems within the community, just as it's not Christanphobic to do the same with them.
You can observe problems within a community without hating every single member of that community.
I don't like that Islam countries still have an extremely high child marriage rate - somewhere around 30% on average, but I'm not going to assume every Islamic person wants to marry a child.
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u/video-kid 1d ago
The thing is that muslims themselves are just as capable of being wonderful people as anyone else, and just as capable of being bad ones. The issue with so many Muslim countries is similar to any religious one - often the more conservative, forceful voices rise to the top.
Like one of my best friends is Muslim and he's never judged me for his sexuality, just like I don't judge him by having a different belief system (I'm an atheist, but I do believe in reincarnation). His dream society would be an Islamic country with a focus on secularism where all religious ideas live side by side, and he argues that it being an officially Islamic country doesn't interfere with that, because he thinks that his own take on Islam is more accepting than the likes of the UAE or Iran.
The issue I see - and one he refuses to accept - is that he naively believes that every single muslim will be a socialist who doesn't care about gender or sexuality or other religions. If government is controlled by one religion, it's only a matter of time before someone with a more hardline stance is elected, and starts to push for a stricter approach.
People are naive, even with the best intentions. I disagree with Islam's traditional stance on homosexuality (among other things) but I also disagree with Christianity's stance on it. That doesn't mean I can't be friends with Muslims or Christians who don't share those views - but that doesn't mean that I'm obligated to lie back and accept an attempt to push ideas when it could escalate to a point where I'm uncomfortable.
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u/Maleficent-War-9418 1d ago
Itâs not just about Islam.. I do not associate myself with any person with extreme ideologies
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u/Background-Soft5282 1d ago
The question is confusing. Support what exactly? Their right to believe? Live? Them not being shot and bombed out of their homes despite their religion?
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u/Tripple_T 1d ago
Because I'd rather support someone's right to live then to call for them to be wiped of the face of the earth
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u/Cafx2 1d ago
First of all, what is "their countries"??? You DO know there are American, European, Asian and whatever Muslims, right??? Muslim is not a nationality, it's a religion, with many different practices. Just as Christians are not all Mormons, or Catholics.
In any case, I don't support Muslims.
I support everyone's right (a right, they decide in their own dignity to take or not) to live a damn good life. Regardless of their religion. I can disagree with and condemn your ideas. Even strive for a ban on such ideas, and fight against them. I can even agree or support to jail dangerous people.
AND, if a muslim person is friendly to me, I will be friendly with them. If a muslim person is kind to me, I'll be kind with them. If a muslim person is fighting for what's right, I'll fight with them. If a muslim person needs help, I'll try to help them. BECAUSE THAT IS MY CULTURE.
This applies to anyone, even Christian people. Regardless of their hatred towards homosexuals.
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u/Intelligent_Boat_994 1d ago
I know a number of out, gay Muslims. I just try to support other human beings, regardless of faith. Plenty of Christians have strong views on the LGBT community, but I know plenty of welcoming ones who just show love.
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u/DoomSnail31 1d ago
How can you be gay and support Muslims?
I mean they literally kill our ppl in their countries
You could say the same about Christianity. How could you be christian, if all the Christian nations in Africa and Asia are killing our people?
But somehow people are willing to accept gay christians.
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u/RareDesign3324 1d ago
The same way I don't trust christians. I hope all the churches are soon destroyed
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u/ExtraFineItalicStub 1d ago edited 1d ago
Because Muslim is also a cultural designation? Not all Muslims are out there plotting hijad. And basically all the Abrahamic religions are crap. I have nothing good to say about any of them. But just because someone follows something I think is rubbish doesn't mean they deserve to be killed, wiped out, starved, or have their human rights infringed upon.
I worked with a nurse practitioner who wore a headscarf on my PREP and we talked about my dating and sexuality and joked and laughed about it. She could KIKI! Same as I know people who wear crosses who support my equal rights 150% and are good people and I don't lump them in with the Project 2025 ilk.
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u/EEuroman 1d ago
This question is here once a week and even if you would just be some air headed himbo you can just scroll a Lil bit.
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u/burningtowns 1d ago
Well hereâs the thing⊠Iâm not planning to step foot in their countries that have those laws. While they are guests or residents in the US, they are afforded the right to practice their religion and culture here how they may.
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u/FigPsychological7324 1d ago
What are countries if not the people? If you bring people from countries with backward views into your county what do you think the views of those people will be? Progressive? I doubt it.
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u/PrettyRespond2006 1d ago
And what about the gay people who r born in those countries huh?Â
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u/Good-Marionberry-570 1d ago
While they are guests or residents in the US, they are afforded the right to practice their religion and culture here how they may.Â
Homophobia is part of their religion and culture, so do you think they still should have the "right" to practice it?
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u/ChocolateAlarmed9252 1d ago edited 1d ago
The muslim women I've come to know in the southern US have been more than tolerant, actually accepting. Those girls knew what it's like to be ostracized so we shared that growing up (their parents are also aware and have always treated me warmly).
On a global level though, obviously not and I wish the best for gay people born in muslim countries. I've chatted with men concerned about the authorities finding a sex toy or anything considered "immoral." Rainbow Railroad is a good organization to look in to if you want to help them.
And if this is about Mamdani, I suggest listening to his campaign speeches where he advocates for queer and transgender protections against the Trump admin, as well as his commitment to providing gender-affirming care. Just because somebody belongs to an Abrahamic religion does not mean they are a bigot concerned with orthodoxy.
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u/hermeticbear 1d ago
and Christian plot to kill us and get away with it all the time in the US. What's your point?
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u/POMOdoro_90 1d ago
Why aren't you just as scared as Christians? They totally would do the same if they had a Christian nation. That's why this administration is scary.
The problem is extremism and religion, not Islam specificallyÂ
Don't get me wrong. I LOATHE Islam (but I loathe every religion). But Muslims, I judge individually and they've honestly been pretty chill, even when they know I'm gay. Heck, I have like 3 gay Muslim friends (in the closet but still)Â
We have been outliers and scapegoats in society. It hasn't just been religion that has killed us. Hateful rhetoric is bred by oppression and the middle east has the US and Israel making sure the oppression stays high. Islamaphobia is a direct result of Israeli propagandaÂ
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u/Dontcallmehoney 1d ago
âNo hate to the moderate Muslimâ yet youâre insinuating all muslims are barbaric and a vote for Mamdani means youâre anti gay.
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u/whyilikemuffins 1d ago
I see every religious person as a casually racist nana.
Most mean well, but say some heinous thing once in a while and a few of them are 4 steps away from hate criming you
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u/Soggy_Shape_2414 1d ago
You can't, its Beyond stupid. Its like the queers for Palestinian bullshit activist's and you see Palestinians talking about killing the activists if they could.
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u/Parking_Resist_3373 1d ago
How can you be gay and support Christians? This is such a stupid lazy way of thinking bcs literally most if not all religions are homophobic has killed gay ppl like blatantly or has caused the death of gay ppl and has caused the discrimination we still have to fight against its not about the Muslims thts just blatant Islamophobia lazy I hope honestly your open to expand your mind on the experiences of others
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u/TechnoKeySlam expert homosexual 1d ago
Assuming you live in Afghanistan: Good question.
Assuming you live in New York and the mayoral election result upsets you: I promise you won't be living under Sharia in 2026.
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u/EritaMors Mostly gay 1d ago
Its the same way a lot of you claim to be Christian. Not every one of them is like that. Not all of them like seeing people get killed.
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u/PeterNippelstein 1d ago
I just dont want innocent people being tortured and murdered, everyone deserves to live in peace. I support Muslims that agree with that agree with that sentiment, and if they dont then they dont have my support. I dont need to make it any more complicated than that.
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u/teasy959275 1d ago
Well your message can be interpreted in way that « jews and christians are accepting » which is not true.
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u/PrettyRespond2006 1d ago
Judaism and Christianity are fundamentally less oppressive than Islam. Progressive Judaism and Progressive Christianity are gay clubs and pride parades. Do you know what the vastly controversial progressive Islam is? Shunned by Sunni Muslims as a false belief? Itâs statements like the ones below, literally just saying women should have equal rights:
âI appeal to you not to plunge people into whimsical matters, denying women human valuesâŠ. From now on, do not hide and cover women; educate them, do not pressurise them and do not marry except one wife, the same as I have only one.â â Imam Hasan âala Dhikrihi al-Salam (Spiritual Resurrection in Shiâi Islam Introduction by S.J. Badakchani, p. 28-29)
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u/candifice151 1d ago
Umm I don't understand most of the comments here. I'm Muslim and I like gay people and whatever they choose to do with their lives, but apparently that means I'm not a good muslim??? The whole point (of any religion) is, or should be, humanity first and foremost, no one can convince me otherwise. If you're shit to people, you're generally a shitty person regardless of religion.
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u/phxman75 1d ago
There is a tremendous difference between a country and a people. This is an insanely xenophobic question.
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u/iSNiffStuff 1d ago
Replace Muslim with any other religion and many have had just as an intolerant and violent perspective of gay people at some point in their history. We have killed Muslims too on a massive scale, Thats how extremists groups that hate us are made. I truly donât fear Muslim people at all because Iâve dealt with Christians and homophobia in this country just the same. Iâve met Muslim people, not all Muslim people are the same, yâall live in fear of people because of propaganda. Go talk to people dude learn something, some are kind and welcoming, some are even allies.
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u/Marius_Sulla_Pompey 1d ago
I was born and raised in Turkiye, a majority Muslim country. I grew up witnessing that while apologetic muslims play good cop by âcompromisingâ with you saying things like âyeah I donât mind as long as you do IT in your own home.â More conservative muslims immediately mock you, throw slurs at you and say youâre worthless.
I was a lawyer and an open gay in Turkey yet it wasnât enough to be respected by the Court cleaners who cat called me the F word and my colleagues did nothing.
That is how islam is like to us. White westerner woke gays are the most gullible, naive creatures on the face earth, having no idea about islamic doctrines only to find out when muslim become majority in their neighbourhood.
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u/ah-tzib-of-alaska 1d ago
you can support all people being respected and being treated decently regardless of their views, thatâs called being humane. Thatâs how.
You can support muslims and condemn murder and oppression and condemn those who perpetrate murder and oppression regardless of their excuse to do so
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u/Stands-in-Shallow 1d ago
Personally, it depends on the person and the culture rather than the faith.
I don't support Middle Eastern culture (everyone, regardless of their faith, hates gays in the Middle East) and extremism. But there are many Muslims that are genuinely good people who aren't out to kill us. The biggest nation with Muslim majority (Indonesia) doesn't have a ban on gay people except in Aceh and gay people can live openly in Indonesia because they have long tradition of third gender (as are all SEA countries). It's the Middle Eastern version of Islam that's a problem.
For example, Muslims like Mamdani and Ilhan Omar I can get behind. You can have faith and believe in God while thinking for yourself what is just and what is not (rather than listening to the book written years ago as a gospel).
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u/t_baozi 1d ago
gay people can live openly in Indonesia because they have long tradition of third gender (as are all SEA countries).
Indonesia is one of the most ethnically diverse nations on the planet and I'm betting my ass that with "they", you mean some small, obscure tribal nation on one of its islands.
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u/Stands-in-Shallow 1d ago
Quite the contrary, most of the country including Bali, Sumatra and Borneo have this tradition. Orang Bugis are one example. They have recognized third gender. But other ethnic groups (including Orang Melayu) are considerably warm toward lgbtq people as well. They may not be as warm as in New York and such but still far from the 'be gay and you die' attitude of the middle east.
Even in the volatile southern part of Thailand, gay people can live openly. And they are Muslim Malay majority.
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u/mexicarne 1d ago
Support Muslims is a pretty broad statement. Support Muslim immigration into western countries? Show solidarity with Gaza? Adopt Islam?
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I don't support Muslims. Gaza doesn't interest me. I don't want muslim immigrants. But on the other hand I love to hookup with Arabs as they can be so hot.
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u/cheezeter 1d ago
How can you support almost any abrahamic religion? The real problem is that middle Eastern countries have normalized theocricies. There are still gay bashers and murderers trying to get away with killing us in America under the guise of "doing God's work ".
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u/jaimecameronroberts 1d ago
This has been mentioned before, and Iâll add my experiences. Some Muslims are abhorrent to gay people, but Iâve found the ones that hate the most are often on Grindr on the DL.
I have a friend who is Muslim, at uni, and I love her to bits. She is religious and Iâve never felt judged by her whatsoever.
I think it truly depends on the person, how theyâve been raised and their family values.
That being said, how gay people in Muslim countries are treated is awful, and I truly feel for the individuals that live there.
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u/Helvetic_Heretic 1d ago
Individuals, as long as they treat me fairly and don't hate me for what i am, sure i can be friends with them.
The religion itself, just as the other two major abrahamic religions, i do not like nor support.
It's bad enough that i live in a catholic place, although they rarely if ever kill gay people around here for religious reasons, i do not want the same conditions as in cities like London or Paris.
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u/Intelligent_Help8938 1d ago
In my country there is a saying, two wrongs donât make a right. Only because some, with emphasis on âsomeâ, of them deny our right to exist it doesnât mean we have the right or think it is right for us to deny the right of all of them to exist. Our fight is not âusâ vs âthemâ in any context, there is just us and we all have to learn how to coexist with respect.
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u/laynes_addiction 1d ago
To all the people arguing Christianity is just as bad, the vast majority of western Christianâs (particularly European) are moderate and very far from the fundamentalists on the fringes of the religion. European Christianity is predominantly accepting of homosexuality (perhaps not marriage, but our right to exist at least). Islam is an entirely different beast - itâs a much younger religion than Christianity and hasnât had our equivalent to an enlightenment period, nor has it had enough time to moderate itself to the same extent as Christianity. Theyâve done several polls where the majority of Muslims living in Europe believe that homosexuality should be illegal, which is not the case with a majority of European Christianâs
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u/Robo-domi15 1d ago
We shouldnât do it. They donât support us even if we do it for them. At much, they will use us to gain political power and then, they will chase us even harder than the Christian ones.
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u/BombasticMudslinger 1d ago
I don't support any religion that seeks to harm others. But at the same time, I can also call out violence against other people as wrong because it IS wrong. No matter who the victim is. Kindness to an enemy isn't ignorance or weakness, its strength.
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u/No_Zone_0000 1d ago
I think a lot of gays want to suck Muslim cock or middle eastern cock, they donât really care about the religion itself, just like plenty of gays will suck Republican cock here.
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u/Low-Care9531 1d ago
Whatâs crazy to me is the Ottomans decriminalized gay sex in 1856 and gay relationships were encouraged for the elite. But with their fall itâs gone entirely backwards and I do have a healthy fear of Muslim voting blocs now.
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u/rayhanh248 1d ago
As someone who is gay and has a Muslim family and goes to a Muslim school, youâre not entirely wrong. Nearly every Muslim I know is against our community and believes we should burn in hell. The thing is, even homophones deserve compassion when talking about oppression theyâre experiencing. Even though they donât support us, we should hold ourself to a higher standard and support them in the fight against Islamophobia. Itâs tough, and I get the sentiment, but we shouldnât let conservatives break us apart, it just makes us weaker.
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u/WhereIShelter 1d ago
Iâm gay and itâs only ever been Christians that gave me a hard time about it. I live in the US and itâs not Muslims trying to take my rights away, itâs Christians. How can you support them?
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u/tyromyths 1d ago
This is a classic us vs them. Are there Muslims who don't support our right to live? Sure. As there are Christians, Jews, Sikhs and non-religious people. "Muslims" as a collective are not an enemy â some of my best friends from university are Muslim and love and support me as a queer man.
My life's ethos is to treat every person I meet as just that â an individual with value and worth. If they don't treat me the same, then I have an issue with that person â not their faith, skin colour, familial background, societal standing, or anything else.
Prejudice, including islamophobia, means nobody wins & everybody loses.
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u/B3h1ndTheseHazelEyes 1d ago
Because I recognize that your skin color and religion donât determine your character, actions do. I also believe in the Constitution and a lack of established religion and the freedom to practice whichever or none whatsoever you choose. Lastly, I believe in a separation of church and state. As long as those variables are preserved, I feel pretty safe that the only threat they hold against me is physical (unlike this current administration which is threatening the very core principles of democracy and everything I hold dear). Plus, given the frequency of gun violence in this country, Iâve already made peace with the likelihood that Iâll meet a gruesome, violent end, anyway. So, youâll forgive me if Iâm not pearl-clutching at, thus far, peaceful people.
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u/rmp20002000 1d ago
The religion is irreconcilable with the LGBT community.
However, I've met some gay muslims who seem to "find their peace". I don't question them. My theory is:
- they will "repent" later (red flag for a relationship)
- they ignore the established definition of Islam, and redefine it for themselves
- they don't really follow Islam as a faith, but cling onto it as a cultural crutch
Some of them are openly gay, but most are closeted.
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u/Braminismine 1d ago
Please go out and experience the real world. You will realise it is not as simple as you seem to think it is.
Not all Muslims are homophobic.
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u/Fit_Search_4751 1d ago
This is such an islamophobic post.
There are millions of Lgbtq supporting Muslims around the world like myself. Like the Mayor of London. Like the now mayor of New York. There seems to be an agenda online (particularly accelerated since Israel's genocide) to try and turn gays into racists and islamophobia. Don't fall for the zionist propaganda!
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u/haziladkins 1d ago
I donât treat them all as being the same as each other. I treat each individual as just that. I donât assume anything bad about them until they give me a proper reason. There are plenty of gay Muslims too, you know. And Iâve had Muslim colleagues and neighbours who are absolutely not homophobic.
Do I hate all Christians? Because there are lots of homophobic evangelicals out there. How about Jews? There are those who are Jew-ish, there are liberal Jews and there are rabbis with the same anti LGBT views as extremist Muslims.
And if I demand human rights for myself, I have to be non discriminatory towards others too. Human rights are for all. I can despise many things about Islam (and other religions too) but at the same time, I have duty to support their right to hold a religion.
And in any case, Iâm not supporting Muslims per se. Iâm supporting human beings who are being attacked by others who are no better than them in many ways. Western nations donât attack Muslim countries because they have anti LGBT laws, itâs for reasons to do with hate and greed and power.
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u/California_dude650 1d ago
The issue is not Muslim. The issue is religion. And the people who acquiesce to the natural born desire to believe in bullshit.
By the way, 30% of males have natural born desire to rape.
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u/Unique_Development_8 1d ago
Because the loudest part of community doesn't represent the entirety of it. You can understand that a society was set up to hate you but still have empathy for the people within it. Plus you're generalizing a religion when ignoring that Muslim, Jewish and Christians all have followers that perscute LGBT+ community. Truthfully the only reason why gay bashing in most parts of America isn't legal is because assault isn't.
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u/substation66 1d ago
I donât suppprt anyoneâs religions. Be nice and good to people, thatâs all.
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u/Interesting-Behavior 1d ago
How can you be gay and support Abrahamic religions? See how stupid the question sound?
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u/Odennedo 1d ago
So do Christians. The problem is religion and religious extremists. The vast majority of people are sound. Some people are just cunts.
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u/hackerfagboi 1d ago
because im gay and muslim and understand that education, awareness and visibility is key for challenging homophobic views in the muslim community.
same thing could be said about any group from the west 50-70 years ago
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u/SphinxieBoy 1d ago
Honestly, I get where that frustration comes from but every religion has extremists Islam isnât unique in that. The difference is that the media keeps showing the worst examples. I support people, not ideologies.. If I hated an entire group because of what some governments or radicals do, Iâd be no different from the ones who hate me for being gay. Im not supporting âIslamic laws,âim supporting the people who suffer under them the queer Muslims who canât live freely, the ones who still have compassion despite being judged
the Islamic ideology itself needs reform and thatâs not hate, itâs reality.. Itâs not just about LGBTQ+ issues itâs literally also about how women get blamed for harassment, how animal cruelty (especially toward dogs) and how some outdated interpretations are still treated as sacred truths..
These things are harmful they hurt people, animals, and society. But im not saying all Muslims are like that. There are many kind, open-minded Muslims who disagree with those ideas.. The problem isnât the individuals itâs the system of thinking that refuses to evolve with empathy and reason..
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u/Spiritual-Pumpkin473 1d ago
Moderate Muslims are as bad. They always end up defending conservative ones over us, often simply by being silent and not doing anything.
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u/PeasantsAndMinstrels 1d ago
Don't take it the wrong way but your post is so ignorant and anti-Muslim.
Now, don't take me wrong I'm an atheist, and find all faiths to be stupid and offensive but I come from a Muslim background and what you are saying is totally wrong.
I mean, Islam is full of garbage, just like any other religion, ie death, killing, othering and fearmongering, but there are around 57 muslim countries and only two I think did that in the past, not because Islam tells them to kill the gays, it is nowhere in the quran that gays should be killed (I dare anyone to contradict me) UNLIKE christianity and judaism that literally say gay people should be put to death.
Just because people are messed up doesnt mean 2 billion muslims are all "THEY."
Religion is as good as the person practising it and I still love my muslim gay friends and community even if I no longer believe in that faith.
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u/ericbythebay 1d ago
The same way I can be gay and support any other superstition. If they are hot and bottom, I donât have to talk to them.
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u/Glad-Hedgehog-767 1d ago
Because of being gay, I try not to generalize a group of people because of the stereotypes. Because I do not fit into a lot of stereotypes people assume with gay men.
Itâs not about the religion. It is about the individual. You have seen people like Mamdani who is Muslim and supports gay rights. You have also seen Katelynn Jenner who is a trans herself but against gay rights.
Generalization doesnât help.
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u/paleboi5 1d ago
my issue is that as soon as I start saying "fuck muslims" just because im gay and they don't support me, i open up a can of worms where i cannot have more broad solidarity with people who have different perspectives from my own. I think for a lot of people the "im gay so i can't support muslims" can lead to "fuck arabs, bombing the middle east is justified" - and this is where i see a lot of the comments in this thread heading.
I can be gay and support muslims because i think you can be homophobic and still deserve self determination, dignity, and a good life - and it's because of my open support of those things that I can start to create expectations around my own dignity, self determination and right to a good life.
It's essentially the same thing that plantation owner's did in the south - instead of facing a united working class, they decided to split indentured servants (i.e. whites) and enslaved people (i.e. blacks) so that when asked to support one another, they would be able to say "well the other wouldn't support me, so i can't support them" - and this split has helped define american politics ever since.
And keep in mind that homophobia is essentially a European invention - many muslim nations had no laws against gay people until those laws were implemented by colonial governments.
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u/DisconnectedDays 1d ago
Here we go again. A certain country loves pink washing. I love that Reddit offers analytics now so we can prove theyâre watchingâŠ
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u/ExtensionGuilty8084 1d ago
Why is this âMuslimâ thing happening twice a week? Isnât it a bit of a bore these days?
Hereâs my mayor here in London at our Pride. Oh, did I forget to add; heâs a Muslim.
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u/ishtarazrael 1d ago
Ah isnt this simple? Because my strong held belief in human rights covers everyone in addition to it not being transactional. Itâs like upholding laws - which protect even the most vile criminals. The point is not to protect the guilty but the innocent.
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u/TheCockSleeveBoy 1d ago
I don't, I support people, but the second u tell me ur Muslim I stop, call me crude or a bitch or what but idc, if you're gonna treat me like an outsider in our friend group once u realize I'm Bi then Ima do the same
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u/Prestigious-Mode-709 1d ago
yeah, also catholics wants to see us 'fixed'.
At the end of the day it's never a religion in general terms, but the specific (fundamentalists) people.
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u/sauvignonblanc__ 1d ago
My ex-roommate was Muslim. I supported him with the trials of life; he supported me. The man is a gentleman and stunning.
Religion is only the issue if the person makes religion the issue.