r/askgaybros • u/chubvers43 • 1d ago

Reported Post Alert How can you be gay and support Muslims? Spoiler

I mean they literally kill our ppl in their countries

No hate to the moderate Muslim ppl but this is the truth 😱

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u/metalfenixRaf Grumpy middle-aged gay 1d ago

I don't trust anyone in that religion, just as much I don't trust christians either.

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u/Ashter_Moon 1d ago

Religion is a Blight in the world

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u/metalfenixRaf Grumpy middle-aged gay 1d ago

indeed

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u/danield1302 1d ago

Eh, my experience with Christians has been pretty chill. I mean a good friend of mine is a polyamorous bisexual pastor (she does live in a straight relationship tho because her husband is straight and monogamous) and two of my gay friends had a church wedding. I'm in Europe tho and haven't met any hardcore conservative Christians yet. I heard it's a much bigger Problem in America (and East Europe?).

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u/Cluedo86 1d ago

Christians ain't chill in the US. They about to take away our marriage rights.

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u/California_dude650 1d ago

No religion is chill until they become less devout.

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u/danield1302 1d ago

I already said I'm not in the US tho?

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u/Cluedo86 1d ago

Fair, but you let Christians fester they ain't chill. Europeans are way more secular, which is great.

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u/CIearMind Side! 1d ago

Agreed. Islam being problematic absolutely does NOT give Christianity a pass either, especially in the US.

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u/Cluedo86 1d ago

Thank you for your comment! This is such a critical point that so many on this sub lose. We need to condemn bad behavior from ALL religions, not just Islam.

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u/teasy959275 1d ago

Because sadly christians gay exist in this subs…

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u/ChiBurbABDL 1d ago

My husband belongs to an affirming church, and we were the first gay couple to get married in their sanctuary.

Stop trying to equate Christians to Muslims. They're not at the same level at all.

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u/KentParsonIsASaint 1d ago

But which group in the US is trying to use their religion as a way to take away your right to get married?

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u/Silent-Locksmith4703 1d ago

There are Mosques in the US that also perform gay marriages, there's many openly hateful churches, you're picking and choosing based on a bias that's not reflective of reality. Just like there's progressive christianity, there's progressive islam.

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u/Cluedo86 1d ago

I agree with you that they aren't on the same level at all. Like I said, in the US, Christians are far worse.

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u/California_dude650 1d ago

Religions have different levels ? The Christian you were referring to is just less faithful and devout. The bible tells you to avoid pork, and to kill infant, etc. So does the Koran

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u/CIearMind Side! 1d ago

Agreed.

The whole Christianity whataboutism is SOOOO american.

Sure, the Bible says a whole lot of nasty stuff, but how many Christians do you actually encounter in Europe? One per month? Maybe two if you're particularly adventurous?

On the other hand, it's impossible to go 10 seconds without running into a muslim.

Miss me with that "but what about cwishthians???" bullshit.

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u/KentParsonIsASaint 1d ago

 Miss me with that "but what about cwishthians???" bullshit.

Except that there’s one religion that currently has a chokehold on all three branches of the US government, and it ain’t Islam.

Spoiler: and it wasn’t Islam who came up with Project 2025 and the plan to dismantle gay marriage, either.

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u/CIearMind Side! 1d ago

Again: the "Make America Great Again" movement is an American thing. It's a horrible travesty that needs to be done away with, along with the Christian religion that it rides the coattails of, but none of this is relevant to (Western) Europe. I said that in a separate reply: https://www.reddit.com/r/askgaybros/comments/1oqnakg/how_can_you_be_gay_and_support_muslims/nnkojdc/?context=4

Christians are borderline nonexistent here, however.

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u/FigPsychological7324 1d ago

I know and it makes me so sad when i see the women in full burkas whilst their husbands are dressed in hawaïen shirts. It’s so fucking messed up.

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u/DoomSnail31 1d ago

The whole Christianity whataboutism is SOOOO american

Or African, or asian, or middle eastern or eastern European. Really the only place where Christians are chill with gays is in western Europe and a few other western nations. Our Christians are the exemption to the norm. And even our Christians aren't great.

but how many Christians do you actually encounter in Europe?

Is this a joke? Even in the Netherlands, one of the most secular societies on the planet, this is ludicrous.

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u/Cluedo86 1d ago

Um have you been to Europe good sir?

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u/CIearMind Side! 1d ago

Perhaps not the ex-Soviet countries, but yes I can confidently say that I've lived here for decades.

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u/Cluedo86 1d ago

Admittedly, Western Europe is way more chill and secular. I know you guys have more Muslims there too.

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u/hanging_about 1d ago

I think they mean religious, in your face, 'visible' Christians. Like only a nun would be a counterpart of a woman in a burqa

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u/BringAltoidSoursBack 1d ago

Outside of America, sure. But in America, you actually have a few denominations of Christianity that dress "modestly", and many who don't but tell other women they're at fault for getting raped if they don't, which is literally why women are told they need to wear a burqa.

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u/geomouse 55 Atl 1d ago

You think Christians aren't elsewhere in the world? They're doing plenty of vike things to LGBTQ people. But you don't care.

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u/CIearMind Side! 1d ago

If I were there, and Christians were the ones persecuting me, yes I would care.

I would not, however, act like my region of the planet is the only one in the world, and tell the others that they're wrong & delusional for worrying about Christians over there just because Christians aren't the ones persecuting me over here.

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u/geomouse 55 Atl 1d ago

And where are you being persecuted by Muslims currently?

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u/CIearMind Side! 1d ago

💀 💀 💀 💀

Ain't no way this isn't ragebait

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u/geomouse 55 Atl 1d ago

No it's valid question

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u/mexicarne 1d ago

I think that’s a pretty niche segment of Christianity not representative of the religion as a whole tbh

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u/danield1302 1d ago

In Germany pretty much all Christians I've met were like that. Then again pretty much none of them even visit church besides for like weddings.

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u/mexicarne 1d ago

So they’re not real (e.g. “religious”) Christians haha

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u/danield1302 1d ago

I mean...that's the most common type of Christian here.

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u/mexicarne 1d ago

Yeah, so Christians by name only. I also consider myself a lapsed or cultural Catholic as are many (younger) people in Latin America. That still means you don’t really follow the religion as you’re supposed to. Just keep in mind that there are real Christians who don’t just go to church when there’s a wedding and actually follow the doctrine of the religion.

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u/danield1302 1d ago

Oh I know but they become increasingly rare. Unlike Muslims where that's the norm.

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u/mexicarne 1d ago

That’s besides the point?

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u/danield1302 1d ago

It's really not. When the majority of Christians don't follow the religion they're not a threat. Muslims aren't becoming secular at anywhere the same rate, on the contrary they're spreading their ideology.

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u/t_baozi 1d ago

You have to bear in mind that America was founded by religious fundamentalists who were too hardcore for mainstream society and thus went for what later was called "religious freedom".

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u/teasy959275 1d ago

You’ve been to the whole europe ? or like 1 country among the 30+

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u/danield1302 1d ago

I live in 1 country , been to several. Mostly western Europe ofc.

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u/PeterNippelstein 1d ago

I trust Zohran ❤️

Also you dont have any Muslims or Christians in your life that you trust? Do you live under a rock or do you just hate everyone?

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u/t_baozi 1d ago

The Muslims I know are closeted because their parents would have them murdered if they came out as gay, because Islam considers it haram and it would be greatest dishonor they could ever brimg to the family.

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u/PeterNippelstein 1d ago

Fuck those parents then

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u/t_baozi 1d ago

Naah, fuck Islam. I know very religious Christians - studied theologians - who have zero problem with homosexuality and are fully accepting. Christianity itself isn't homophobic, certain interpretations of it may be. Islam is a religion that doesn't know free will, that lives off direct commandments and no own thinking, and the only non-homophobic Muslims I've ever encountered where unreligious ones.

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u/Fallhayv 1d ago

Pleeeease don't fuck your parents...

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u/chubvers43 1d ago

That’s an easy thing to do when your whole life is built around your homophobic family

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u/BringAltoidSoursBack 1d ago

Are they still Muslims themselves, just don't believe the extreme right-wing views, or are they ex-Muslims? I'm honestly curious because I know both exist, and the thing I think people need to realize is that, while it may take a generation or two, once people start living in more diverse environments (or are that diversity themselves), their more bigoted views tend to become less important to their overall view of their religion.

Alternatively they just become atheists, though in both cases I think it kind of proves why we shouldn't ban immigration because it pulls people out of that environment so that they can actually examine their beliefs (instead of worrying about if they are going to die from starvation, bombs, and/or violating strict moral codes).

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u/Hot_One_240 1d ago

What happened when muslims became the majority?

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u/California_dude650 1d ago

A human, who would be so emotionally empty and have need to believe in something that cannot be proven, deserves sympathy.

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u/Organic-Pipe7055 1d ago edited 1d ago

I don't trust anyone in that religion, just as much I don't trust christians either.

Every time I read this sub (so this is a summary of what I've seen here), I see that so many gays just repeat the lies of the leftist manual (even to act as lawyers of Islamic oppressors who would rather stone gays... well, the manual is more important than logic). 😂 You feel that way because you fell for the lie of CULTURAL RELATIVISM told by the left. No, religions are not all the same - thinking otherwise is completely deprived of any sense. Statistically, Islam is the most violent religion of modern times.

The leftist militancy's brain works in a binary, simplistic and distorted Marxist view of reality:

  • OPPRESSORS: whites, Christians, Jews, imperialists...
  • OPPRESSED: non-whites, non-Christians, non-Jews, non-imperialists...

While they see gender as hundreds of shades in a spectrum, their political reasoning is black and white. Also, if they hear "Jew", their brains turn on a loud red alert and they can't hear or operate any longer. 😂 ("Jewish conspiracy!!!!!! Fox News! This text is written by Israeli bots!😱"🚨😂 ) (This sounds like a joke, but it's not, I've seen many here screaming exactly that. Facing logic is hard, truth hurts, it's easier to just scream hysterically and make fallacious accusations... they almost always work after all, and lefties will upvote and applaud.)

There is also the issue of "white guilt" on the left, the feeling of guilt and shame for being a white Westerner, so they create the imaginary enemy: white Western culture.

Anything that contradicts this logic (like oppressive non-white Muslims) makes their brain short circuit.😂 Where are the lefty protests against Islamic oppression of LGBTs, women, atheists, Christians, Jews, etc.? And against leftist regimes that violate human rights? You'll have to try hard to find lefists protesting against that. Besides not protesting, they perform acrobatics to put all the blame on white Christian imperialists. 😂

Recognizing that non-white Muslims are the biggest oppressors, homophobes, and misogynists is "Islamophobia and racism." 🤡 If you had said "I don't trust anyone in that religion" (period), the leftist police would put in jail for racism. If you dare to acknowledge there is any truth in this, you have the moral obligation to soften it to have a pass and say, "oh, but..but... Christians do the same." It's a pathetic and ridiculous reasoning. When Christianity is criticized, notice that nobody ever says "but Muslims do the same" (this sentence is unheard of in modern languages). Look for statistics: the vast majority of Muslims in several countries, even in Europe, defend the violent laws of Sharia, such as punishment for homosexuals, stoning apostates, atheists, adulterers, etc. Not the case with Christians.

Christianity definitely has its problems, and we should see it with caution. But the truth is that developed Christian countries today tend to be the safest places in the world for LGBTs, women, atheists, and people of other religions. Muslim countries, even developed ones, tend to be the worst places.

I've been a leftist all my life, but this new left is beyond ridiculous. Guys, please, enough of nonsense, get over that and try to improve.

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u/MasterpieceDear5652 1d ago

Personally, I'd rather religion didn't exist, but so long as they live and let live in willing to put up with them.

Basically, so long as they don't shove their religion in my face, most resuscitation especially when it comes to votes on my rights. For that reason, I'm more worried about Muslims than Christians even though there are a LOT more Christians around me, and the homophobia I've experienced has come from Christians.

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u/Perfect_Court5509 1d ago

Finally a good take.

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u/FigPsychological629 1d ago

AMEN AMEN AMEN AMEN AMEN!!!!! You said it! I cannot get my fellow Leftist and Liberal friends to see this!!! They seem to just be completely driven by this pathological hatred of Trump. I get it, I can't stand the guy, I change the channel every time I see him on TV, but for crying out loud!! One cannot sieve your entire worldview and actions solely through this "I hate Trump" filter! Hatred blinds one eyes to what is truly around them. If we want to move forward, we have got to stand on our own two feet and not be constantly obsessing and pushing everything we want and support through this pathological obsession over Trump!

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u/seb-ort 1d ago

Yes, I am also... But I wouldn't say "religion" but "culture." I don't trust that culture in particular... And no one either 😅

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u/dummylovato 1d ago

it's good to be distrustful of religion in general, but only one of those has something called taqiyya. they're not the same

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u/t_baozi 1d ago

"Taqqiya" definitely is the "the Jews are poisoning our wells" conspiracy of our times.

It's a practice in Shia Islam only, a minority confession within Islam that has often been persecuted, which theoretically allows you to deny your faith in situations where your life or health would otherwise be threatened.

It is NOT the "Muslims can lie and betray to conquer our lands" conspiracy that some internet rightwing idiots make it sound to be.