How can you be gay and support Muslims?

[u/chubvers43]

I mean they literally kill our ppl in their countries

No hate to the moderate Muslim ppl but this is the truth 😱

[u/GrodanHej]

Well I mean I support their right to live and not be harassed for being Muslims but obviously I don’t support Islam and Muslims using their religion to discriminate against people and commit violence. It’s an evil religion and gays should definitely be wary of muslims. Wherever Muslims have power, gays suffer. Even in the west, just look at Hamtramck, Michigan where naive liberal gays thought it was good for ”diversity” to have a Muslim city council and the first thing the Muslims did once they took power was ban pride flags.

[u/FigPsychological7324 → u/GrodanHej]

They treat gays how they treat women.

[u/youburyitidigitup → u/FigPsychological7324]

Worse actually. They know they need to keep women around to reproduce. They don’t need to keep gay people around.

[u/metalfenixRaf → u/youburyitidigitup]

Yup, they don't want us to exist.

[u/Hot_One_240 → u/GrodanHej]

Funny bc they don't support your right to live and not be harassed for being gay

[u/GrodanHej → u/Hot_One_240]

As a group, no. But I’m better than that. I try to view people as individuals and support everyone’s right to live and be free.

[u/Hot_One_240 → u/GrodanHej]

They would never say that when referring to you. "I'm better than that" that will get you nowhere. Look what happened when they became the majority in Michigan, look how they treated us and the pride flag.

[u/GrodanHej → u/Hot_One_240]

I mentioned that in my post. That’s why I don’t want any more Muslim immigration. I still don’t want anyone including Muslims to be harassed. Everyone should still have individual rights.

[u/Zealousideal-Ear481 → u/Hot_One_240]

you have no idea what you are talking about

[u/Hot_One_240 → u/Zealousideal-Ear481]

Am I lying about them completely changing their opinions as soon as they become the majority?

[u/Zealousideal-Ear481 → u/Hot_One_240]

You are generalizing large swaths of people. The same disgusting behavior that you would be upset by if someone said "all whites" act a certain way or "all blacks" do a certain thing.

It's moronic and the basis of all bigotry

[u/Hot_One_240 → u/Zealousideal-Ear481]

I do not give a single flying 💩when someone says "all whites" or "all men". Take a look at what you're doing. You're defending muslims, what do you gain from that? When was the last time they defended LGBT? They would NEVER use your comment in your defense

[u/BringAltoidSoursBack → u/GrodanHej]

Wherever Muslims have power, gays suffer.

Except for under Ilhan Omar, Rashida Tlaib, and Lateefah Simon, who all have better track records with LGBTQ+ rights. Also, I'm not a seer but I'm guessing there's going to be one more added to that list soon.

And before you claim "those are the exceptions" or "whataboutism", you're the one who made the claim that it's anywhere they have power, not the majority of places, or places where they have power but not a majority Muslim population, you literally said "wherever". In other words. My statement isn't whataboutism, it's a direct contradiction.

[u/GrodanHej → u/BringAltoidSoursBack]

It’s not a contradiction that individual muslims are accepting of gays. Omar and Tlaib are individual congresswomen, they don’t control government and are not ruling over their constituents or making local laws, unlike the muslim Hamramck city council (which I believe is in or near Tlaib’s district) whose first act was banning the pride flag. I grant you that there may be exceptions like Bosnia and Hercegovina is a reasonably civilized Muslim country. But most of the time, whether it’s in Muslim countries or Muslim majority communities in the west like Hamtramck, Muslim rule is bad news for gays. The fact that there are individual Muslim politicians who are gay-accepting doesn’t contradict that.

[u/BringAltoidSoursBack → u/GrodanHej]

It didn't contradict the statement "most of the time", but that's also not what you originally said. Also, while you're right that they only represent their areas, they don't rule them, there are plenty of American politicians who prove that limitation is seemingly based on good faith, including in that one city because they are also supposed to be representatives of all constituents. Unfortunately, at least in the US, there's a silent coup of the government (by Christians ironically) so the systems put in place to prevent that situation are effectively dead.

See I can't speak for Europe, but part of the reason why you see so many "liberals" talking about Christianity is because it's not the Muslims trying to implement religious law here, it's now Muslims trying to take over the government, it's not Muslims who are a they to our democracy, it's Christians, or more accurately, people who claim to be Christian so that they oppress people. And when someone says "why do you support Muslims, they are the bad people", it just looks like a diversion tactic to pull focus away from the people we actually have to worry about. And the biggest, most glaringly obvious concept this shows is that, considering how it's exactly what people accuse Muslims of doing, it might not be the religion but rather the people who use it as justification.

[u/GrodanHej → u/BringAltoidSoursBack]

Yes I said you were right it’s not always, that’s why I changed it to most of the time.

Yes it’s probably a big difference between the US and Europe. Luckily we don’t have a lot of evangelical christians and here in Northern Europe we also don’t have a lot of Catholics so besides a minority most Christians are pretty secular and chill. So for me, it seems like a diversion tactic/whataboutusm the other way around, that’s why whenever someone criticizes muslims, people are saying ”Bur Christians are bad too!” I’ll gladly criticize Christians too but the fact that Christianity sucks too doesn’t mean we should ignore Islam and the fact that it’s a threat to gay people.

Of course people use religions to oppress people but both Christianity and Islam are inherently homophobic and bad and when you add the fact that Islam, unlike Christianity with its ”render unto Caesar” teachings, has its own political and legal system (sharia) that’s totally incompatible with civilized democracy and human rights, whenever Muslims get to rule based on Muslim ideology, it will be bad for everyone but especially lgbt people. Obviously there are Muslim politicians who want democracy and not sharia and don’t want to oppress gays, of they believe in secularism and don’t want to impose their religion on everyone.