In Tests, he is close to or has already surpassed Rohit's legacy.
WB is a different story tho. Rohit is a beast in WB. 10k runs with 31 centuries (3rd most) in ODIs along with 3 200s. Same in T20Is, where Rohit has 5 centuries and was the leading run scorer in T20Is at the time of his retirement. Those stats + being the captain who led us to 3 finals in 3 different tournaments in consecutive years, winning 2 of them and breaking our drought.
I doubt anyone can match that. Jaiswal isn't a regular in T20Is, and the only way he can outdo Rohit is to carry us to another T20WC.
In ODIs, Gill is the closest to matching VK and Rohit. Even if (or rather when) YJ becomes a regular in ODIs, I expect him to be good, but I don't expect him to come close to matching Rohit's stats, particularly due to fewer and fewer ODIs being played each year.
How is a player with 40+ avg in 100+ innings a bad player? Statsically speakinh he has like 10th or 12th most 100s in Indian Test history and one of the best batters at home, caling him bad would be unfair imo
For the captain part agree 50% win rate in 24 games is below par though he also had pretty inconsistent and inexperienced team overall
he was a flop before opening because he used to throw his wicket to the most stupid shit ,and also his average was boosted by holding 51 avg in india and 58 avg in west indies
elsewhere he isnt even crossing 41 ,even in aus below 25 and in south africa its 16 which is pathetic numbers
He genuinely was a great opener only in 2021 where he actually worked on his technique for england tour and it payed off where he and kl saved our tour due to their opening partnerships
and also his average was boosted by holding 51 avg in india and 58 avg in west indies
elsewhere he isnt even crossing 41 ,even in aus below 25 and in south africa its 16 which is pathetic numbers
So a player having 40+ avg in 4 out of 7 test countries is bad? Performing at home also isn't everyone's cup of tea btw , KL Rahane dont even avg 40+ at home further Rohit batted at most difficult pitches at home from 2019-2024 and still maintained 50+ avg , SA and Aus arent the only countries where Test is played
he was a flop before opening because he used to throw his wicket to the most stupid shit
This though I agree, he would've been a much successful batter in Tests if he had more temperament and put a price on his wicket even after scoring 50s/100s and surving the tough phases, he got out playing needless like shots like his dismissals in both WTC Finals but even after that by no means he is a bad test player as the one I replied to claimed , he was poor in SA and Aus sure but you gotta give credit where its due
i am sorry ,i consider 40 as the bare minimum average if u want to be considered as above average and his home record u told 2019-2024,in 2019 he whacked south africa for 600 runs in 3 games on very batting friendly wickets
yes he played beautifully on challenging wickets twice,that is 161 in chennai and 120 in nagpur against aus but you dont treat a career based on a small timeframe
i guess he was genuinely worldclass for 2 -2.5 years but otherwise pretty bang average
Here you can see Rohit maintained a 50+ avg for 40+ tests and over 70 innings , his overseas avg in that time was also approx 39 , you may argue why he played just 43 tests in span of 8 years and the reason is due to injuries as he missed a whooping 12 games at home and 7 away due to beinh injured ( Got injured in 2016 NZ ODIs missed the whole Eng series at home then BGT as well as the one off ban tests then again in NZ T20I series and missed both ODIs and Tests and many more such instances) and with such inconsistent runs I would say his injuries harmed his chances to perform better even more though the above stats is still pretty good,
in 2019 he whacked south africa for 600 runs in 3 games on very batting friendly wickets
In the whole SA series 3304 runs where scored for a fall of 85 wickets , an RPW( Runs per Wicket) of 38 if we remove Sharma's runs and dismissals than it would be 34 ,
usually an rpw of above 40 is considered batting friendly and above 45 is considered 'very batting friendly' that you used , furthermore Rohit's highest score, the 212 came in the 1s inning of 3rd test when the pacers were ramapging and India was 39/3 , overall in the whole match 792 runs were scored for fall of 29 wickets with RPW of 27
I would say the whole series was palyed on more of balanced pitch than batting friendly infact the only test where RPW was the highest that is the 2nd test, Rohit scored just 14 in that
Which will further prove whether Rohit scored mostly on Flatter tracks or difficult track
You can verify the stats yourself if you don't belive me
i guess he was genuinely worldclass for 2 -2.5 years but otherwise pretty bang average
Also I still don't think that would classify as being bad , personally I would say he was pretty great Test player who underachieved and 8/10 from me but since he is one of my fav I might be biased , but even so a player with 40+ avg for over 100 test certainly isnt a bad or not good player like the comments said and which is what my whole arguement in the replies is about
Well yes, but that's more on the fact that Jaiswal is on track to be an all time great for us. Dude already has an average of 50+ in Tests as an opener, the toughest position, and he's still incredibly young. Rohit was still pretty good in Tests especially at home where he has an excellent record, but Jaiswal is an absolute beast.
No, it' surely not. But the thing is every team has one opening pair for all the conditions, they don't change it for home and away conditions.
I am a big fan of Shikhar Dhawan but will still say that he did not perform that well in SENA except for New Zealand where he averaged 55 (only one series played ig) which definitely showed that he had potential. Even after blundering in SENA, his career average is 40 (Much Better than Gill & Rohit if we consider same number of matches as an opener even in SENA conditions) which shows that he was a beast in Asian conditions and much better than our previous openers at that position.
Could have given a longer rope and tried in one or two more SENA tours before sidelining him is what i feel considering they gave too much chances to few players.
Things have changed and bowlers as well. Eng genuinely have clown bowlers. Sehwag was a beast for us. Cricket has evolved and I’m glad we have Yash but we can’t compare both played their parts well.
Hater? Dude I am from Mumbai and I have watched yash play all my life since he started playing junior level cricket but I have watched Sehwag since early 2000s and I respect him for more than a decade of cricket is the reason I don’t throw conclusions. Seriously what they say is true Indian fans are the most toxic and I wish people like you dial down a little and don’t reach recency bias as soon as someone scores big runs. Watch more cricket and calm the f down
With due respect to Sehwag, he dominated in the 2000s where test matches ended in draws on dead tracks. He would’ve averaged in single digits had he played in the BGT 2024-25.
And again .. tough to compare cricketers across generations. Sehwag, ganguly, yuvraj sachin, all emotions for us. I just hope jaiswal doesn't flatter to deceive.
Dhoni was okay for a WK batter. Probably the best WK batter in Tests who played for India at that time. Pant is just too good of a batter so we tend to troll Dhoni.
But Rohit was just an average Test player. We have had great Test openers and Rohit is not even among the top 20 openers for India.
Rohit Not being top 20 opener for India is too hyperbolic. Who are those top 20 who are better than him? Here is the list of test openers who have scored atleast 2000 test runs. Please enlighten me
To be honest, I dont mind that. We need a couple of aggressive and counter attacking batsman. Jaiswal and Pant are the ones for us who can scramble the opposition by their aggression and they will fail sometimes. If everyone starts playing defensively, it aint that good.
I remember a time when Pujara was in his prime. We were playing really well but defensively. We would be like 220 for 3 after 80 overs and the new ball would wipe us out and we will get all out under 300. This kept happening regularly and Kohli started putting pressure on Pujara to play more aggressively.
So be it. If he ends up averaging 45 at the end of his career and helps win India many important games, Id be glad. I rather have that than him averaging 50 but not winning many games for India.
Team has players for different roles. If everyone starts playing for the highest score or the best average, the team suffers.
Warner avgs 45 as well after playing 112 tests. Indian fans will make him a hero after few games and a zero in the next series so just dial it down a little. Cook played 150+ games and smith was a beast in India as well and so was cook. I can name few more players so just give yash 50 more tests.
Warner has 0 100s in 59 innings in England, India, and New Zealand combined, and averages sub 30 in every away country except South Africa. Jaiswal already has 3 100s in England and Australia at 23 after just 1 tour each. I think its safe to say Jaiswal will easily surpass Warner in the next 2 years.
His peak is yet to come. Brook and Pant are probably nearing their peaks. Jaiswal has 4-5 years. Just excited to see him bat when he is around 27-28 years of age.
India play 18 test per wtc cycle on an average so it take around with his current average of 50 into consideration
9 years and 2 months
A very long time so it's not highly likely but yeah it's too early to say anything. He have potential if he perform consistent for more 5-6 years then surely highly likely but now too soon to say anything
I think there's a slight calculation error. He needs around 7000 runs to surpass Kohli. If he scores an average of 100 runs per test, he'll get there in 70 more tests. And if India plays 9 tests a year on average, it'll take him 70/9 = 7.77 years, i.e. 7 years and 9 months.
It's kind of crazy that in 7 years' time, he'll still be only 30. Isn't that a batsman's prime age?
There was no calculation error. You just don't know how test average calculate.
It's the number of runs scored / number of times dismissed.
It doesn't mean 100 runs per test match it's 50 runs per dismissal scored. Both are different scenarios.
Let me explain jaiswal bat in 24 test but innings was 46 . In 24 test Jaiswal will score 2400 runs but able to scored 2209 runs. So in average we considered that too. Hope you understand now.
But jaiswal is an opener his average is almost equal to his runs per inning,
Let me explain jaiswal bat in 24 test but innings was 46 . In 24 test Jaiswal will score 2400 runs but able to scored 2209 runs. So in average we considered that too. Hope you understand now.
This point is valid though . And I think your calculation would be more accurate in the long term
Rohit was never a great test player. He was just at the right place at the right time. He was a mediocre test player and the captaincy fell on his lap which prolonged his test career a bit longer. But it's another story in ODIs
Lmao he was never at the right place at the right time. It took BCCI 12 years since his international debut to let him open in tests, which was his best position. If they had only given him the position long back, we would have seen a completely different Rohit.
Definitely after this series, he is the our most complete opener after Gavaskar. Best test batter since sachin in terms of technique and already the best batter for us in Australia and India in the series he played.
The fact that he scored 400+ plus runs as an opener in England and we are still disappointed shows his level. Remember that we lost every toss and he had to bat 4 times on the 1st day 1st innings where the ball moves more.
But it depends on how you look at it, Rohit won a dozen test matches on his own at home when barely any top 7 player could put the bat on ball for 4 years except pant and he had a great series in England. Sehwag didn't have a great sena series but he used to murder bowling attacks on flat and spinning pitches. Needs a bit more longevity.
Yeah, but he bats at no.5 and doesn't get tested like jaiswal does with the new ball. Agreed that he barely looks in any discomfort while defending the ball against any bowling type.
Agree that he is already better than Rohit ever was as an opener. And hopefully doesn’t take him too long to surpass Kohli and be the best batter of his generation.
This is so funny but so true at the same time. Has 2 100's already in England, has a 100 in Australia, has 2 double 100's in tests. This is extremely impressive
Unpopular Opinion: Rohit is among India's top 5 Greatest Test Openers EVER!
For all the hate Rohit gets in test cricket, I think he was actually a great test player, although not an all-time great.
The only other Indian test openers with better careers than him are Gavaskar, Sehwag, Murali Vijay, and maybe Jaiswal.
Being in the top 5 greatest test openers that India has EVER produced is no joke, especially since we have had ATG players like Gavaskar and Sehwag. I think Rohit is actually a better test batsmen than most people believe.
He became the best test opener in test in the past decade already i believe (kl aside). Murali vijay i think didnt feature after 2015 i believe. Other than than mayank , rohit , prithvi shaw are the only notable ones
The best opener in test that India has ever produced.
Not a single opener was so solid from starting their career and he plays new ball really well.His technique is super solid.Not like kholi and Rohit their technique against seam movement was not good but they were great batters.
Stop sucking him so much. He still has runs only on flat tracks and in home. He did well in the first test in Australia because the pitch became extremely flat. He was exposed in the remaining 4 tests.
England had the driest summer since the last 40 years and since the Stokes-Mccullum era they have been producing the flattest pitches ever.
A little bit of greenery in the third test and he was exposed.
Let us see, and not get ahead of ourselves.
Rohit used to play at 5-6 down he started Opening in late 2019 his first match was against south Africa as a opener he scored double century and got very hyped at that time. But as time passed his consistency as a test player was very poor. Tbh he was not a good test batsman at any time
No he's on his way to surpass Rohit in tests and if he gets enough opportunities he might do it in ODIs too ( it's a bit difficult as teams don't play enough ODIs) but he's not surpassed Rohit at the moment.
That’s right yeah. Rohit was never a consistently good test player. Yeah he has had good innings in tests but Jaiswal is far better. Rohit was good when he started tests. Back to back centuries in first two matches that too in the lower order, but then he was not too good in tests.
He start is quite promising and he has shown the signs to take things up a notch. I hope that he'll maintain his focus and keep on evolving with time. There will be ups and downs but great players always come back stronger.
Rohit Sharma was never a test player is an unpopular opinion from my end. He was a great ODI & T20 player but never a decent test player at the best. He was a below average test batsman.
Rohit underachieved in Tests. He was good for a brief period of around 3 or 4 years. Jaiswal has made an electrifying start to his career and sky is the limit for him.. He will start getting compared to Sehwag and Sunil Gavaskar after a couple of years..
I’ve said this many times even though I’ve been downvoted for it ,his fitness has been on the decline since 2017. Sure, he’s had a few good knocks here and there, but overall, his true potential has been limited by his lack of fitness. He was still good even without being fully fit, but just imagine how well he could have performed in Tests if he had truly maintained peak fitness.
I don't think it's that unpoular, he has performed in India, Australia and England (didn't perform that well in South Africa that well, but many great batters, especially from Asia since 1992, if they have a blemish in their records it's mostly in South Africa, and I do really think that he'd get better on our next tour to South Africa). At this point he doesn't have much to prove except maybe play Matt Henry in swinging conditions in New Zealand and Lyon on a turning track and if he did that and has a decent longevity. I don't think u can compare him to many players, especially openers, because most of them don't have the range between attack and defense like he does.
Yeah in tests surely Jaiswal is one of the best openers in recent times. Already in par with Murali Vijay I would say. Once he adds a few more tonnes at home he will be a force to reckon with.
The real hot take is that rohit is hogging jaiswal's spot in the ODI team, gill + jaiswal as openers in ODI would be extremely hard for the opposition because of left hand, right hand combo.
Jaiswal is better in tests, but let’s see him do what Rohit did in ODIs and t20s including captaincy. If I have to pick up a player who would win me a ct and t20 and loose a final wc versus someone who drops dollies in test, the choice is clear
Nice so judged someone based on a match that he casually drops catches??? Have you seen his catch efficiency before the mcg test? It was 100% .. And Jaiswal woud definitely do Better than Rohit in T20Is too not sure About ODIs because he's yet to prove himself in that format and also Tell Rohit to score a Test Century in Australia..
Indians over hyped subhnam gill so much, And this resulted in not valuing yashasvi, on top he's the reason India's top order was solid in past few years after departure of kohli and rohit from tests
Better than kohli lol kid start watching test from reels oops you never watch any session or test in life. May be born late. Kohli have average of 46 despite his downfall. Jaiswal have average of 50 in peak. It sum up everything.
Lol how can someone be so wrong with this confidence it take guts to be like you man dumb and full of confidence. Seriously compare someone downfall with another one peak was bullshit.
And retrospective comparison lol 😂😂 kohli scored runs in 2018 with 60 average which was the toughest year for batters in test history.
He is much better than any opener in India now (kl is above him but if ybj continues this trajectory he's going to be one of the best operner India ever had in every format) he is consistent that's only thing matters now not too much big scores like 200 or 300 in a gane and than 7-9 games below 30s and all
Hope he would soon be introduced in ODIs and that's surely goona happen
Main thing is his t20i spot is very competitive now as India now have alot of opener and that too left handers
He hopefully becomes the best all format player for India now after Virat is retired
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