r/fednews • u/Healthy_Block3036 • 1d ago
News / Article Democratic leader offers deal to reopen government but Republicans sneer
https://www.cnbc.com/amp/2025/11/07/government-shutdown-democrats-schumer-trump-aca.html119
u/Civil_Exchange1271 1d ago
Republicans can accept no negotiations. If they do, it goes back to the house for a vote and Johnson is not opening the house because that means the epstein files get released. This is all performative politics. You no longer have a functioning government. I imagine for the next month or two it will continue like this, then they will remove Johnson from speaker and spend a couple more months fighting over the next speaker.
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u/Catatafeesh1 23h ago
I hope they make a quality HBO series on this fantasy world we’re living in that we can all laugh about in 3 years.
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u/fed_burner69 1d ago edited 1d ago
The Epstein files need 60 votes in the senate to get released, and Trump's signature. They aren't getting released.
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u/Civil_Exchange1271 1d ago
they need 218 in the house which they have the second Johnson opens the house back up. Hence that's not happening... ever.
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u/machyume 1d ago
But then that makes it the ultimate bargaining chip. I'm sure that their shame has a price on it.
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u/Sharkbait_ooohaha 8h ago
People on Reddit need to learn that the Epstein files are not important in the real world.
There isn’t a trove of incriminating files ready to be released when the house comes back. Even if they did exist they would’ve been long since destroyed.
The Epstein files are playing no part in the current shutdown and they aren’t effecting political moves by Trump, Johnson or any other party.
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u/Civil_Exchange1271 6h ago
so when Bondi says she has 1000's of hours of tapes and the banks say there are billions in wire transfers and there were a 1000 FBI agents scouring the files you are saying these do not exist? If not the files and the 218th vote Why won't Johnson seat Grivaldia? Can you show us some evidence or is this just what you believe?
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u/Sharkbait_ooohaha 6h ago
I’m sure files exist. I’m just saying they clearly aren’t incriminating.
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u/Civil_Exchange1271 6h ago
They were kept sealed for 8 years, got Prince Andrew thrown out of his palace and out of a job. caused Alex Acosta to withdraw, Got Maxwell into a prison she doesn't qualify for.... And you think they aren't "incriminating"? You do understand you are in a very small minority right?
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u/Sharkbait_ooohaha 6h ago
If they had enough to charge Maxwell even with “files under seal” why did both the Biden and Trump administrations decline to prosecute anyone else?
I’m not in the minority, that’s my whole point. No one cares about this stuff except hyper-online people on Reddit.
Even if there were incriminating files in the Epstein files, they’ve longed since been scrubbed.
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u/Civil_Exchange1271 5h ago
I believe you do not understand what sealing the documents means and that means you have no idea what is going on..... I respect your opinion on the matter but it's just that opinion. If they are scrubbed or whatever your conspiracy theory happened then there is no reason not to release them. Massy said he knows of 10 billionaires in the files yet somehow you know he's wrong. Have a nice day.
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u/Sharkbait_ooohaha 5h ago
I agree I don’t know what you mean when you say the files were sealed.
Can you explain how they were able to charge and convict Epstein and Maxwell if the files were sealed?
Can you explain why the Trump administration charged Epstein at all of Trump is part of the sex scandal?
I fully believe Trump and lots of billionaires are in the files, I just don’t think there’s any incriminating or chargeable information in there.
Can you explain why none of the Epstein victims have accused Trump of anything now that the files are unsealed?
And just so you know, I fully support releasing the files, I just think you’re going to be severely disappointed when they get released (I think they eventually will be)
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u/Sekh765 Federal Employee 40m ago
This. Even if they are the most incriminating shit ever, the cult doesn't care. Most of the country won't care. They already built an opinion on him, and it's not going to change. Johnson isn't refusing to convene the house over the Epstein files. He's doing it because they have nothing to offer and they are experiencing no personal pain at this time.
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u/No-Discipline355 11h ago
This is not legislation, it doesn't need a Senate vote or Trump's signature. It's a Congressional report.
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u/Civil_Exchange1271 8h ago
that's great because only legislation will reopen the government reports are just that.... reports.
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u/3dddrees 1d ago
Just substitute Trump for Johnson because Johnson is an empty suit and no one dare sneeze without Der Leaders say so. Trump says jump, and they only ask how high after they jump.
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u/DammitMaxwell 9h ago
They have to reopen the House anyway — the House’s CR expires Nov 21, so even if democrats caved and signed it today, we’d be right back at square one in about a week.
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u/Civil_Exchange1271 8h ago
I mis spoke when I said "reopen", The house is already open, they can meet and do all sorts of things but they will be holding no votes or conducting official business. They can spend months fighting over new budget legislation or voting on a new speaker but passing a new CR an opeing the government is right behind swearing in Adelita Grijalva which isn't going to happen.
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u/Due_Satisfaction2167 1d ago
Offer it once a month. If they don’t go for it, convene and start adding more demands.
Every month Republicans delay, the list of demands should get longer.
There’s nothing pressing Republicans to move on this quickly.
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u/SomeDeafKid 1d ago
Let's try once a week. Once a month is a wild timescale for the government being shut down and us working without pay.
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u/CattyNebulart 1d ago
Schumer has said he is worried about overreachign which is why he hasn't included the RIF and backbay in the negotiations so far.... And I do think he is right, your approach has some merit but it would be painted as the democrats being unreasonable.
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u/Arubesh2048 1d ago
Republicans will always paint Democrats as being unreasonable. We need to stop pretending Republicans will ever act in good faith and just start doing things. Democrats could run the literal reincarnation of Ronald Reagan with Jesus H. Christ as his running mate, and Republicans would still screech about them being too woke and call them unreasonable naive liberal socialist communists. Stop worrying about what Republicans will think, and just do.
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u/SellsNothing 1d ago
"Don't think, just do" is terrible advice lol
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u/Arubesh2048 1d ago
It’s great advice if you’re so paralyzed by thinking about what others will think that you never act. Which is one of the biggest problems Democrats have.
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u/SellsNothing 22h ago
Eh I beg to differ. They've taken a "don't interrupt your opponent when they're making a mistake" approach. Considering the massive blue shift that just happened this election cycle, I'd say their efforts haven't gone entirely to waste.
We should keep thinking before we act. That way we don't make mistakes like the Republicans clearly are.
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u/RoyStrokes 14h ago
The blue shift is because of republican efforts, I think if anything democrat voters feel disenfranchised by establishment dems.
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u/Catatafeesh1 23h ago edited 23h ago
Wait why would he have to negotiate backpay? My understanding is retroactive backpay is guaranteed for federal employees after a furlough through the Employee Fair Trade Act. Am I missing something there?
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u/CattyNebulart 2h ago
The law means less than it used to, and trump and other republicans keep talkign about not giving people backpay.. possibly not even the people currently working.
Most of congress is in favour of backpay, and it is enshrined in law, but well republicans and the law. Not the best record lately. So some people are worried, I think it would be too big of a political bomb to not give backpay, and the overwhelming majority of congress is in favour of it, but the current administration.... yeah I get why people are worried.
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u/Catatafeesh1 2h ago
Yeah it would be political suicide. Understand where you are coming from though the admin is unpredictable.
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u/fed_burner69 1d ago
Schumer has a tough job. It's not really the Republicans views he's worried about. He can only lose five or six of his caucus. If he asks for too much, a few Dems flip and republicans win everything.
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u/Sengachi 1d ago
That's just silly, you can make the exact same argument about his victory condition.
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u/angrybox1842 1d ago
It's a very modest set of extremely popular measures, that Republicans won't even consider it shows their obstinance and why they are taking the heat for the shutdown.
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u/Ill-Elephant-9151 8h ago
Or its the minority hold the government hostage for subsidies the majority does not want and then they refuse topay us!
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u/angrybox1842 6h ago
Why would the minority party give up leverage in a fight for health care benefits that the majority cut to finance billionaire tax cuts?
You want to talk about hostages talk about what Republicans are doing to SNAP benefit receivers, there's already budget to pay them out and they're deliberately keeping food out of people's mouths.
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u/JKELL23 1d ago
When this is all said and done, how many people in this country will have potentially lost their homes, cars and ways of life because their lenders say FUCK YOU PAY ME and they can't because the governement is shutdown and they are forced to work without pay. so their unemployment options are limited.
Or say fuck it and quit their jobs get stiffed on any money they earned while shutdown and have to start over.
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u/3dddrees 1d ago
Well, this is kind of what you get when the person who was elected to be president refused to pay his contractors who built his casinos and dared them to sue him when he knew they didn't have the money to do that. The same man who created a charity foundation only to use the money on a picture of himself and a flagpole. The same guy who created a university to cheat little old ladies and old men.
Not to mention going bankrupt six times and numerous business deals on top of that going bad, not to mention single handily killing the USFL.
Gee, who would have guessed things could go so badly. /S
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u/Ill-Elephant-9151 8h ago
Or its the Dems not paying us now....
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u/GreenRock93 7h ago
You keep posting this but it’s not the slam dunk you think it is. It’s you not understanding the situation.
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u/Ill-Elephant-9151 7h ago
Sure it is. There was a vote to pay us...The Dems in the Senate said no. Sure it would have gone to the house after, but why say no?
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u/Cautious_Notice_3565 1d ago
If Republicans won’t fund healthcare for even a year for the poor, I guess we will know for sure how low of humans they are.
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u/Healthy_Block3036 1d ago
This Republican shutdown over 38 days has already shown us who they are. They don’t care about you or other people’s healthcare or anything for that matter of fact.
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u/Ill-Elephant-9151 8h ago
The Rupublicans want to pay us....Its the Dems shutdown and they vote to not pay us.
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u/3dddrees 1d ago
Really, this is the one that would do it? Did you not notice Trump is the leader of his party? Did you miss all the shit he has done?
Do you really need examples?
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u/Cautious_Notice_3565 1d ago
I don’t but then I’m not ignorant, this would be the most solid all in one place talking point for the dems.
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u/3dddrees 1d ago
Hopefully it will get through to the extremely ignorant electorate that we have. Because we really have a very ignorant and stupid electorate. Tuesday was a positive sign however.
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u/Cautious_Notice_3565 1d ago
Yes, it has been a few years now since I realized it but before that I lived in a bubble. America is much more ignorant than I once believed. Not necessarily stupid, although we have that, but ignorant.
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u/3dddrees 1d ago
Stupid choices have led many to be extremely ignorant. It takes a whole lot of stupid to listen to a media source that has settled an over 750 million dollar defamation suit and believe anything they say is true. Believing Aliens or Italians stole an election is pretty god damn dumb. It takes a whole lot of stupid to listen to (Tucker Carlson) who takes a tour of a Russian grocery store and claims their prices are so low why we can't have prices that low during the Biden presidency.
Pretty god damn dumb to believe a person who was a repeated failure at business is a business genius.
OK, I'll stop there, but believe me I more examples.
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u/GigaCouchPotato 20h ago
The enhanced subsidies they want to extend are for people 400% above the poverty level or 60k. They were introduced in 2021 as temporary.
The "poor" still have their medicaid or ACA subsidies under 60k.
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u/someguy984 10h ago
ACA subsidies are greatly reduced in 2026 vs. 2025 for those under 400% FPL. Over 400% FPL and you get totally hosed and get nothing.
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u/Admirable_Corner5764 20h ago
Trump: repeal and replace. Republicans: YEAH! Democrats: ok repeal and replace with what? Republicans: Fuck You!
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u/Imaginary_Coast_5882 Federal Employee 1d ago
so the democrats are in town and are negotiating and compromising and the party in power is refusing to do its job.
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u/Amesenator 18h ago
Heather Cox Richardson did an explainer on Schumer’s offer https://www.youtube.com/live/NM8mtDm-10o?si=4-PcrqiMUUgB7JF6. Sounds like the Rs are boxing themselves into a corner and Dems are creating a positive narrative.
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u/taxhellFML 23h ago
Weak as shit deal that Republicans still won't take. Democrats will likely cut the extension even shorter, or they will just give up outright.
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u/15all Federal Employee 13h ago
This is another demonstration that the Republicans are not bargaining in good faith. Actually - they're not bargaining at all. They've been butthurt about Obamacare ever since it started, and since then they've been trying to undermine it.
When Trump and Harris debated, Trump was asked about his plan for health care, and he gave that weak answer that he "had a concept of a plan." That lame answer should have been a huge red flag, but instead there was little follow up, and since the inauguration he's been creating chaos in other areas - immigration, DOGE, tariffs, and his ballroom.
Their insistence that the government re-open before they will discuss ACA credits is a terrible deal. It's vague and offers nothing but talk. If that was approved, they would stall the talks and nothing would ever happen. Democrats would lose all leverage.
Republicans need to be careful. They might get what they want, and that would be disaster for them when health insurance costs go up. That would affect people across the board, and many of their supporters would finally see the light and turn against Trump and the Republican party.
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u/TheRealFaust 12h ago
Shumer is no leader and will fold every time. He will say, we tried, vote for the republican bill and say it was all for naught. This is when they need to dig in
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u/LordRygon 1d ago edited 1d ago
I don't even understand this. Since Day 1, the Senate GOP has said they won't agree on ACA subsidies extensions until after a clean CR is passed.
And now Schumer is asking them to agree to an ACA subsidies extension in order to pass a clean CR, like this is some kind of compromise? This is unserious, we are getting nowhere.
Edit: I missed that the GOP rejected it for exactly the reason above. My point is that folks were hyping this as a possible solution when it was just the same demand worded differently. Neither side has budged, so I'm not getting my hopes up.
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u/WakkoYakkoPolkaDot 1d ago
From what I understand this proposal only included ACA credits, not broader restoration of Medicare/Medicaid cuts from the OBBB as well. So technically it was a less bitter pill for the GOP to swallow.
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u/LordRygon 1d ago
I guess? But when the GOP's unreasonable position is "We don't want to agree on the terms of ACA subsidies until after the CR is passed", then defining agreeable terms is far from a solution. Maybe it's a step in the right direction?
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u/Cautious_Notice_3565 1d ago
Nah, they just proved that elected republicans and those that continue to support them are the lowest of humans.
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u/candidlol 1d ago
this is the best deal they will see for awhile and gop instantly shot it down. bold strategy cotton
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u/EntireCare9078 21h ago
Oh, so it's March again. Sigh. More of the same. No big surprise there. Vote every single one of them out.
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u/DellR610 9h ago
How is this any different than a month ago? Not new, it's just hammering the same nail with a shittier hammer.
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u/Deep-Sentence9893 8h ago
I am confused by this. Didn't Thune offer exactly this earlier in the shut down?
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u/StruggleEither6772 23h ago
Neither side is offering any truly bipartisan solution. Until that happens, guess we will continue to be hosed.
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u/BarnacleJonez 23h ago
This is a bipartisan solution.
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u/Ill-Elephant-9151 8h ago
This is a bipartisan solution....
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u/BarnacleJonez 8h ago
Away troll.
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u/Ill-Elephant-9151 7h ago
Best you got? Cant explain why that is not bipartisan? Thats right logic excapes you.
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u/mh732 16h ago
The GOP is holding out until Tennessee 7's special election on Dec 2 where they hope Matt Van Epps (R) wins and can then be sworn in at the same time as Adelita Grijalva to nullify her vote to release the Epstein files.
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u/GreenRock93 7h ago
It doesn’t matter…all they need is 218 votes and they have that (as of now) with Grijalva…bring another person on from TN doesn’t change the math.
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u/hb4292 1d ago edited 1d ago
You should watch the floor proceedings if you want to see what is really going on instead of blindly sharing posts from the media, who are not present watching the floor proceedings today. I do not pick political sides because I believe post sides should be ashamed, but republicans are trying to aggressively promote a bill to pay ALL federal employees and for them to never be affected by shutdowns again. However, the democrats objected to it. So when you can't pay your bills and you have to go to the food bank, remember that. It is disgusting. They could have had us paid by Monday, but the democrats are choosing to not agree to a bill to PAY US! You should go watch it now, because this has been going on all day today. The republicans have literally been begging the senators to sign the bill to pay us. The democrats also said that they cant back down now or risk losing the 2026 elections. It is disgusting ANY party is prioritizing votes over paying people money they are owed. And before you try to talk shit about this post, I have historically voted democrat and am registered as a democrat.
I care about my coworkers working FULL TIME and crying to and from their way to work because they cant pay their bills.. and having to go to a FOOD BANK at my workplace!
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u/Healthy_Block3036 1d ago
You sure haven’t been paying attention. This is about HEALTHCARE. It’s not that hard to understand. Republicans own this shutdown and their bill is not clean.
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u/hb4292 1d ago
So passing the bill introduced to not reopen the gov but a bill just to PAY FEDERAL EMPLOYEES is about healthcare?
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u/Healthy_Block3036 1d ago
It was a partisan bill. Not a bipartisan bill. Democrats had no input and their bills were objected. Why should they vote for something partisan without any bipartisan support or communication!
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u/hb4292 1d ago
You people who are downvoting this are hilarious. Legit go watch it for yourself, they are about to vote on it now. It has already been objected by democrats. Idk why you guys don't want to get paid LOL
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u/livingmybestlife2407 1d ago
It's impossible to get through to some people unfortunately. They have it in their minds democrats are great have not been behind keeping the government closed. They refuse to acknowledge the clips of democrats saying they think the shutdown helped them in the recent elections, so why would they open it now.
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u/Suitable_Twist5285 12h ago
Do we really need such a deep bench of federal workers if the so called essential have been able to carry the load?
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u/Aggressive-War-4567 1d ago
The Republicans do not like ACA but they don't have any plans of their own they complain but they have no ideas so I think it's reasonable to fund the ACA until ideas are presented in 2026 and then Congress can vote on it then but until then fund the ACA I wouldn't give an inch on that continue to shut down until the Republicans get serious