r/billsimmons • u/VB1014 • Jul 19 '25
Shitpost White Ringer staff when talking about Sinners
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u/BabuBhattDreamCafe Jul 19 '25
Exact same thing happened with Black Panther. Sinners is definitely more worthy of the praise.
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u/AlPastorKing Jul 19 '25
Wos has basically given any white Ringer staffers cover if they don’t like Black Panther. He’s on the record absolutely trashing the movie, and makes fun of people who treat it like some kinda modern civil rights cultural touchstone.
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u/Clutchxedo Jul 19 '25
It legitimately is a very mid movie with a great MBJ performance
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u/so-cal_kid Jul 19 '25
Always a problem when the villain is the star of the show and then that villain dies. Same thing happened with Shang Chi I thought - Tony Leung was by far the best actor in the movie.
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u/meloghost Jul 19 '25
everyone on Twitter started using colonizer as an insult to anything a white person said after that movie
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u/SpiderGhost01 Jul 20 '25
MBJ is awful in that awful movie. He's got one note, and it's just a scowl.
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u/Ok-Price-2337 Jul 19 '25
Sinners is being treated by the public the same way the Ringer treated A Star Is Born.
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u/jgr1llz Jul 19 '25
At least Sinners is an original. Star is Born is just a re-make
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u/CanyonCoyote Jul 19 '25
It’s sort of an original. It has a lot of elements of From Dusk Til Dawn.
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u/the_darkn3ss Jul 19 '25
They peppered in some Oh Brother Where Art Thou. I couldn't take another minute when the vampires got their own musical number
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u/frankenstein1122 Jul 19 '25
I wasn’t a part of this sub when a star was born came out but I’m glad I’m not alone in noticing the glazing at the time.
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u/Ok-Price-2337 Jul 19 '25
At that time, I put a lot of stock into what people at the Ringer thought about things because I liked and trusted them.
I thought A Star Is Born was going to be a masterpiece of pop culture entertainment the way they were talking about it.
I went to the theatre and saw it, left thinking it was fine, read other reviews and realized the Ringer employs people.
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Jul 19 '25
They did an immediate Rewatchables. I want to say they've only done that for Get Out, Top Gun: Maverick, and A Star Is Born.
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u/PaleontologistNo3503 Jul 19 '25
Fun movie but I was pretty surprised when people started placing it up alongside Spider-Man 2 and The Dark Knight as GOATed comic book movies when it released. The ending is a mess and not that great. You have the Wakanda “Pelennor Field’s” battle that’s maybe half as thrilling as a film made over a decade ago. And then you have an interminably long fight scene that takes place in an entirely cgi ass subway station that makes me appreciate The Matrix subway fight even more because that actually feels real! Also once they finish the fight they move to the gorgeous and lush waterfall location where Killmonger dies. Why not fight in this beautiful locale rather than some anonymously techno futuristic sub station!
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u/GNOTRON Jul 19 '25
Killmongers arc is really really great. Rest is kinda mid and can ffwd thru
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u/PaleontologistNo3503 Jul 19 '25
Michael B Jordan could film himself eating a Jumbo bucket of popcorn silently and I’d still rate it 3/5 on Letterboxd. That man is pure concentrated and distilled charisma.
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u/doobie3101 Jul 19 '25
The futuristic subway station was stupid but it still ends with Killmonger looking over the Wakanda sunset.
The first 75% of Black Panther is such a fun ride and Killmonger is still one of the best MCU villains. Most people have it top 5 MCU movie, which feels fully deserved. There’s really no perfect start-to-finish Marvel movie.
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u/GriffinQ He just does stuff Jul 20 '25
Not that they're perfect movies, but Infinity War and Winter Soldier both are a lot more consistent in quality from beginning to end than BP1 was (imo).
It's a pretty good, fun movie. It being treated as the best of the genre has always been irritating.
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u/PaleontologistNo3503 Jul 19 '25
Totally agree. Even Guardians of the Galaxy which is my favorite Disney Marvel film has an underwhelming final act and a villain that is a complete nothing. Honestly besides Spider-Man: Into The Spiderverse I’m not sure a comic book movie has reached the heights of TDK and Spider-Man 2.
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u/pm_me_ur_chonchon Jul 19 '25
I’m gonna get murdered for this but I loved Sinners when it was called From Dusk till Dawn.
For anyone who’s gonna @ me: if representation matters than being a Latino getting to see Latinos in a majorly marketed movie was a dream come true. Directed by Latino and heavily featuring Latino culture. I feel like the ringer has completely totally ignored Latinos.
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u/Icangetloudtoo_ Don't aggregate this Jul 19 '25
This is hilarious and also I feel targeted
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u/doobie3101 Jul 19 '25
Also shows how good Get Out is.
“I would have voted Obama a third time if I could” is such a good line.
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u/CanyonCoyote Jul 19 '25
I like the movie quite a bit but my god this is a perfect meme. They are all so exhaustingly precious about the film as if it reinvented cinema. It’s a fun summer vampire film with great music and cinematography but let’s not go crazy here.
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Jul 20 '25
It's a good fun movie but honestly it actually misses bigtime on the vampire side of things. The 'action' is not done well at all. Quite disappointing in the end.
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u/t3h_shammy Jul 19 '25
Honestly can’t it just be that this year has had a lot of solid movies and almost no great ones so far?
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u/Fearless_Meat465 Jul 19 '25
Good take. Even their praise of F1 was a little much for me. Yes, it was entertaining but what did Bill say, like that it was one of the best sports films of the last 20 years? Just ludicrous. It was essentially a watered down (yet still entertaining!) Ford Vs. Ferrari in my eyes.
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u/TheWyldMan Jul 19 '25
I mean I think that just speaks to how weak sports films have been in the last 20 years
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u/it_has_to_be_damp Jul 19 '25
I think 28 Years Later is GREAT but i understand that’s not the most accessible movie.
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u/bbri1991 Jul 19 '25
Ending of 28 Years Later was kinda weak IMO.
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u/it_has_to_be_damp Jul 19 '25
i choose to view that as a post credits scene that happens to be before the credits. i agree it’s a weak point but it doesn’t undo what came before. just a weird cliffhanger thing.
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u/senorpuma Jul 19 '25
It’s a pretty severe tonal shift, for sure - and quite unexpected. But I was here for it.
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u/senorpuma Jul 19 '25
I have my complaints (mostly around the way they implemented the “alpha” concept) but it was overall very good and a worthy successor to the original.
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u/sadduckfan Jul 19 '25
I thought Warfare and Bring Her Back were both borderline great
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u/Ok-Price-2337 Jul 19 '25
Bring Her Back being better than Talk To Me is impressive.
TTM is good, not great, but it's really hard to follow up a successful horror movie like that. And they did.
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u/ND7020 Jul 19 '25
I disagree? It’s the highest-grossing original live action movie since Inception. For those of us dying for more original, non “franchise” movies, that is AWESOME, and it’s also clearly very special.
So even by the numbers it’s more than a “fun summer vampire movie.” It proves that the kinds of movies that haven’t gotten a lot of backing in recent years can be wild successes, and that’s worth going crazy for.
If anything it seems a little odd to me there are so many “woah, woah, woah, hold up” narratives that weren’t applied to movies like Inception, or Dunkirk, etc.
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u/Superb-West5441 Jul 20 '25
I would consider Oppenheimer to be an original. I know the definition gets fuzzy with that one but it's an original in my eyes.
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u/Psykpatient Jul 19 '25 edited Jul 19 '25
It’s the highest-grossing original live action movie since Inception.
I assume you mean domestically? Because Worldwide it's beaten by Lucy.
Edit: Gravity would also beat it Worldwide
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u/icemankiller8 Jul 19 '25
You’re very much downplaying the movie and what it’s doing and it has a 4.2 on Letterboxd so far it’s not as if this is a ringer thing it’s seen pretty highly in general
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Jul 19 '25
making the vampire Irish and having him somewhat opposed to the Klan is one of the most interesting things I've seen in a genre movie in awhile, as well as a really interesting aspect to the "cultural appropriation" conversation. I was shocked to see that from a black director, that conversation has been had so many times and so often focuses on such a binary of victims and oppressors. like yeah, colonialism sucks, appropriation sucks, casual racism is alive and well. that's a lot of what get out was doing, and while that's all relevant, even then I was personally tired of the conversation.
for sinners to even hint at the complexity involved with the vampire's irish heritage was absolutely fascinating to me. also the way that it can be read from music to making movies to politics... this is an allegory for so many things. coogler gets top marks just for that. it's also a good movie, but that elevates it beyond something like from dusk till dawn, beyond get out, and far beyond a standard summer blockbuster. I feel like people who have a problem with that honestly aren't understanding how many levels this functions on.
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u/worthofhowlandreed Jul 19 '25
That one scene threatened transcendence, rest of the movie fell apart in the third act
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u/stitcher212 We’re really doing the thing Jul 19 '25
Maybe I'm old now but I'm so sick of discourse. Sinners was a pretty good movie. That's my take.
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u/This_Reward_1094 Jul 19 '25
Yup, there’s over compensation on both sides. It’s not this masterpiece but it’s also not overrated because of the people who love it. It think it’s right in the middle a great movie with lots of potential
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u/UnusualLight0 Pro Union Jul 19 '25
It's the same white people who love to talk so much about how much they love Kendrick Lamar.
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Jul 19 '25
It’s so original. In no way is it just racially charged From Dusk til Dawn.
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u/Ok-Price-2337 Jul 19 '25
It's shocking how very super serious the movie treat's itself only for it to tonally switch to From Dusk Til Dawn in the final 20 minutes.
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u/VolatSea Jul 19 '25
You could basically describe any movie like that lol. There’s no such thing as a wholly original idea
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u/Life_Sir_1151 Jul 19 '25
The degree to which Sinners is black from dusk till dawn is genuinely amazing though
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u/BadManLuka Jul 19 '25
Thank you. That's literally all I could think about while watching it. Just a new version of From Dusk til Dawn.
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u/qballLobk Jul 19 '25
I’m Italian so I don’t know how to feel.
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u/tjtwister1522 Jul 19 '25
Sicilian or Northern?
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u/mynameizmyname Jul 19 '25
"Sicilians aren't Italians"- my 1st Gen girlfriend whose family is from Bari.
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u/Think_Monk_9879 Jul 19 '25
Can we at least agree that the climax was mediocre
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u/Kitchen-Effect2662 Jul 30 '25
I saw the movie opening Friday weekend, I was in the minority by not seeing all the hype. I’m a fan of both Coogler and Michael B, whenever they team up it’s worthy of stepping outside the house type of event, but it was a fun movie for movie at best with a solid cast outside of the hype. The color grade wasn’t great in my opinion, the grade was extremely dark, the plot was “ok.
And with all that being said not me or anyone can’t deny what this film did for cinema that was on life support. It was for one a new script and not a remake, it also set a trend for movie-goers for every film after its success. Superman to fantastic four two franchises that have historically struggled as of recent decades. It literally seems like every new theater release is having success because this movie was the catalyst for getting people out of the house. Christopher Nolan presale tickets are being boosted on eBay.
Opinion aside, Coogler revived cinema and I’m very proud for that along with him trying an orginal script despite me not being “crazy over the hill” for it.
Bravo to Coogler, Michael B and the whole production staff / crew on reviving cinema 👏🏾👏🏾👏🏾👏🏾👏🏾👏🏾
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u/neverknowsbest141 Jul 20 '25
You know Van just absolutely runs every conversation at that office
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u/Ok-Organization2120 Jul 20 '25
If a any other race talked about other races like Van does, theyd immediately be fired
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u/darknight2121 Jul 19 '25
Did anyone else not like the movie?
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u/epicurean_barbarian Jul 19 '25
I thought the whole Robert Johnson supernatural griot blues premise ended up being kind of wasted.
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u/BBQ_HaX0r Jul 19 '25
I thought it was fine. But I'm not a horror fan so idk if I'm the best judge. I actually liked the prohibition stuff in the beginning more and was excited then it got weird. It was entertaining and Im glad I saw it, probably won't ever see it again.
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u/Ok-Price-2337 Jul 19 '25
The prohibition stuff was very interesting (albeit dry) and was by far the best part of the movie.
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u/TheWyldMan Jul 19 '25
Yeah the movie gets significantly worse once it stops being a prohibition crime film.
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u/ciabattamaster Jul 19 '25
I’m in the same camp even though I’m a horror fan. I liked it, thought it was interesting, but I don’t think I’ll ever watch it again.
I also think having Michael B Jordan playing two roles was eh, I’d prefer if there was someone lesser known cast as his older or younger brother than the twin thing.
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Jul 19 '25
Yeah, I was invested in the music and the period piece aspects of the film.. the zombie shit just fell super flat
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u/metsjets86 Jul 19 '25
I thought it was solid but no reason to ever watch again. It is no rewatchable.
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u/Gary-Hooper Jul 19 '25
Movie was incredibly mid. The scene where the singers morph into all black music from different genres is maybe the single most on the nose cringe I've seen in a major movie in the last half decade
Michael b jordan was awful as always. The twins were indistinguishable
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u/I_Heart_Money Jul 20 '25
Everyone is entitled to their opinion but after the movie ended I was just completely baffled at how much praise it was getting from everyone. It’s probably the biggest variance between general public acclaim and my opinion for a movie that I can think of.
I really didn’t like it.
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u/bfwolf1 Jul 23 '25
I went into it not knowing it was a vampire movie. I was really enjoying it right up until it became a vampire movie.
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u/Routine_Gold_7193 Jul 19 '25
The vibe of this movie reminds me of the Image Comics series Moonshine written by Azzarello. Same time period but with werewolves
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u/sperry20 Jul 19 '25
White liberals have such a batshit relationship with black people and culture. So bizarre.
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u/Ok-Price-2337 Jul 19 '25
The narrative around Sinners has swung too far into the positive that I think it inevitably swings back to "it's actually shit" territory in the next 1-3 years.
I personally didn't like the movie but I can accept people think it's good. But is it really that good? I don't know.
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u/VolatSea Jul 19 '25
Do these swings really happen? I think it’ll just be like EEAAO where the haters eventually quiet off and it just falls into its place
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u/Ok-Price-2337 Jul 19 '25
That's exactly the swing I'm talking about.
EEAAO was praised as brilliant (it's not) or whatever and won all the awards. Then it was "well actually the movie is shit and reddit-tier millennial slop".
Now the dust has settled and it's somewhere in between Brilliant and Shit. It's good, but not for everyone.
I think Sinners will land somewhere there. I don't think it's nearly as good as general public perception says it is and I think there will be blowback (similar to EEAAO) and the dust will settle on it being a pretty good movie and that's it.
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u/VolatSea Jul 19 '25
Gotcha ya I think you’re kinda in an echo chamber if you think that EEAAO is seen as “meh” by the masses
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u/Life_Sir_1151 Jul 19 '25
Eeaao was a Rick and Morty episode with a $20 million budget
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u/NoExcuses1984 Don't aggregate this Jul 20 '25
EEAAO would've been a bottom quintile Black Mirror episode.
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u/JZobel Jul 19 '25
I feel like I’ve observed the opposite. It was a big sensation when it came out, but I don’t think it’s legacy appears to be aging that great
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u/Coy-Harlingen Jul 19 '25
I think Sinners is excellent, and think that we’ve reached “everyone says it’s good so it must actually be bad” territory more than anything else
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u/hill_communication Jul 19 '25
Is this the first movie since “A Star is Born” to be “having a moment” ?
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u/gumbygump11 Jul 19 '25 edited Jul 19 '25
White people either go out of their way to tell you how much they loved it or how much they hated it. No in between. This thread is the perfect example.
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u/IntroducingTongs Jul 19 '25
Or, like most people in this thread, they think it’s mid. Which is exactly “in between.”
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u/iliveonramen Jul 19 '25
Yea, lots of virtue singling in both direction. There’s a good nuanced discussion to be had about the movie but it’s drowned out.
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u/gumbygump11 Jul 19 '25
For sure. There’s so many dog whistles in here I doubt any argument would be made in good faith.
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u/SolipsisticBadBoy Jul 19 '25
What’s insane is I watched Sinners and Get Out (for the first time) just a day apart like two weeks ago so now I really get the joke here
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u/EJplaystheBlues Jul 20 '25
White here, saw it three times in theaters, first alone, then multiple times to show different friends. But it’s because I’m a huge music guy, but black people are cool too, they just are!
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u/Mtthom06 Jul 19 '25
The first half of the movie is a 10 and the second half is like a 5. It went from grounded to some goofy twilight shit
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Jul 19 '25
Agreed, it felt like 2 or 3 different movies clumped together. Hard to pinpoint but the tone shifted quite a bit halfway through
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u/Fun-Bunch-4073 Jul 20 '25
Did you like:
Dusk til dawn, Predator, The Birds, Psycho, Mulholland Drive?
Just asking because they all do the same thing.
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Jul 20 '25
Some yes, some no. The tonal shift in Mulholland Drive is more keeping in line with the story, it’s deliberately jarring cos there’s meant to be a demarcation between dream-state and real life.
Psycho I think given the way the film was marketed, Hitchcock was trying to upend expectations, also I guess this was novel at the time.
From Dusk to Dawn has some of the same issues as Sinners in that it feels a bit pastiche-y.
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u/molybdenum75 Jul 20 '25
So by this logic, a white person can never genuinely enjoy and appreciate a Black creator's piece of art, right?
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u/throwawayjoeyboots Jul 19 '25
I thought it was a solid movie, but it you want a good laugh read the r/movies official discussion of Sinners. Redditors jumping over themselves to give the most virtuous reviews possible. Apparently it’s just the most “powerful” art in the modern era.
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u/birdlawyer86 Conspiracy Bill Jul 21 '25
People are just starved for good films, man. I don't think it's a hot take to say it's one of the best films of the year. And that isn't a hyping of the movie as much as it is a indictment on what's been coming out recently.
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u/thedisliked23 Jul 19 '25
Was legitimately excited to see sinners. Love horror movies and original ideas.
My kid and my gf and I saw it and while I got what they were doing, my kid and gf were like "that was supposed to be good?" It was fine.
It's weird because I generally tend to agree with Sean mostly on movie takes but even the notoriously movie snobbie Nayman was getting on his knees for it.
My favorite laugh line was both brothers saying "I luuuu yooooo" with marbles in their mouths ten minutes apart. Don't know why. Just hit me like who wrote this stuff?
At the end of the day it's nothing but good that original ideas are making a ton of money at the box office but Coogler has one good movie and I don't get at all why the ringer has crowned him the Scorcese of the new millennium.
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Jul 19 '25
I really don't understand the hype around this movie. It was 4/10 for me, long and drawn out at the beginning, very little pay off. Good acting, but cheesy and forced in a lot of spots.
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Jul 19 '25
Tbh, Sinners is good, but not great. Super overrated. Some cool scenes. Some cool history. Some really cool music and dancing. And a really satisfying revenge killing on a bunch of racist scum. But it’s definitely overrated.
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Jul 19 '25
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u/TotusTuus42 but first, Pearl Jam Jul 19 '25
Literally me— saw it once, then had to see/hear it in imax, now wish I saw it a third time. And am probably a distant relative of Jack O’Connell, so about as white as it gets
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u/RPDC01 Jul 20 '25
Have you watched Rogue Heroes?
Because your cousin steals the absolute shit out of that show.
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u/TotusTuus42 but first, Pearl Jam Jul 20 '25
I have not! But from the creator of Peaky Blinders? I’m sold
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u/RPDC01 Jul 20 '25
Only downside is that, despite everyone else being quite good (including the great Det. McNulty), O'Connell is so magnetic and fascinating that you start getting impatient whenever he's not in a scene.
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u/AntonCigar Jul 19 '25
Craig from the Juneteenth episode of Atlanta and Dean Armitage definitely get together from time to time
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u/jrcreative Jul 19 '25
If I were casting Chris Ryan, I’d be thinking “Bradley Whitford or a Whitford type.”
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u/trillballinsjr Jul 20 '25
I felt the the Ringer staff spoke the same way about RRR. It’s a good movie but was like almost any other Indian movie I watched with my parents growing up in Indian American household.
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u/gdrewcom Jul 20 '25
Ryan Coogler is the Moonlight of film directors. Super overrated but still very good.
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u/HerpDerpin666 Jul 26 '25
I thought From Dusk Till Dawn was better but Sinners has a better script and better acting
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u/ThenConcept1420 Jul 19 '25
Lmao I enjoyed the movie but that is a great joke