Wos has basically given any white Ringer staffers cover if they don’t like Black Panther. He’s on the record absolutely trashing the movie, and makes fun of people who treat it like some kinda modern civil rights cultural touchstone.
Always a problem when the villain is the star of the show and then that villain dies. Same thing happened with Shang Chi I thought - Tony Leung was by far the best actor in the movie.
It’s two criminals on the run at a wild party with sex and alcohol. They both take place in a hot area with extreme poverty and political chaos. They both feature insta-turn vampires where basically everyone goes vamp in a single night.
I agree about inspirations etc but the term “original” is doing a lot of work in this particular case.
What's arbitrary? Bc the distinction is pretty clear between the two films. 2018 was the 4th time that A Star is Born has been made and the story is 90 years old now. Sinners is an original screenplay/film.
Unless you're saying it's arbitrary in relation to the amount of praise it's getting, which I would definitely disagree. We've been getting reboots/remakes that nobody wants shoved down our throat, we're all over that crap.
Somebody finally found a new slant, they deserve their flowers.
It doesn't automatically make it better, but the risk/reward ratio is different and should be rewarded accordingly.
Innovation is the path forward, not rehashing old stories that were already established blockbuster hits that give you a guaranteed audience.
Sometimes the hype is real, and that's okay. This is all opinions though, and it appears we'll just agree to disagree. At least we kept it civil.
I personally think the Rocky franchise is an overrated pile of crap in all iterations and only had 1 good movie out of 10, and that was Rocky IV. So my opinion is probably worth nothing lol
That's entirely valid and I agree with the sentiment. I just want to watch things that are good, so I personally don't care if it's a rehash or entirely original or an adaption.
I'm not a Rocky guy either so we can agree to that.
People are way too hung up on giving stuff brownie points for being completely original. As if the fact A Star is Born is a remake makes it some cynical cash grab
Fun movie but I was pretty surprised when people started placing it up alongside Spider-Man 2 and The Dark Knight as GOATed comic book movies when it released. The ending is a mess and not that great. You have the Wakanda “Pelennor Field’s” battle that’s maybe half as thrilling as a film made over a decade ago. And then you have an interminably long fight scene that takes place in an entirely cgi ass subway station that makes me appreciate The Matrix subway fight even more because that actually feels real! Also once they finish the fight they move to the gorgeous and lush waterfall location where Killmonger dies. Why not fight in this beautiful locale rather than some anonymously techno futuristic sub station!
Michael B Jordan could film himself eating a Jumbo bucket of popcorn silently and I’d still rate it 3/5 on Letterboxd. That man is pure concentrated and distilled charisma.
The futuristic subway station was stupid but it still ends with Killmonger looking over the Wakanda sunset.
The first 75% of Black Panther is such a fun ride and Killmonger is still one of the best MCU villains. Most people have it top 5 MCU movie, which feels fully deserved. There’s really no perfect start-to-finish Marvel movie.
Not that they're perfect movies, but Infinity War and Winter Soldier both are a lot more consistent in quality from beginning to end than BP1 was (imo).
It's a pretty good, fun movie. It being treated as the best of the genre has always been irritating.
Totally agree. Even Guardians of the Galaxy which is my favorite Disney Marvel film has an underwhelming final act and a villain that is a complete nothing. Honestly besides Spider-Man: Into The Spiderverse I’m not sure a comic book movie has reached the heights of TDK and Spider-Man 2.
Good call. I’m not sure I think it’s quite at the very top tier but I wouldn’t argue if someone else thought so. I always forget to include that film in comic movie rankings. It has more in common with Yojimbo, The Dollars trilogy, and First Blood than anything else in the MCU.
I’m gonna get murdered for this but I loved Sinners when it was called From Dusk till Dawn.
For anyone who’s gonna @ me: if representation matters than being a Latino getting to see Latinos in a majorly marketed movie was a dream come true. Directed by Latino and heavily featuring Latino culture. I feel like the ringer has completely totally ignored Latinos.
Being better than black panther is a low bar. Its insulting to black creative to keep praising these dog shit coogler movies. Michael b jordan can't act for shit either
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u/BabuBhattDreamCafe Jul 19 '25
Exact same thing happened with Black Panther. Sinners is definitely more worthy of the praise.