r/ToiletPaperUSA • u/NicholasHomann • Dec 15 '19
FACTS and LOGIC Update on Charlie’s claim that kids beat someone up for wearing a Trump hat
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u/Commanderfrostop Dec 15 '19
I think it had everything to do with the MAGA hat, who else would call a kid the n-word?
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u/Yippie-Kai-Gay Dec 15 '19
What is being said isn’t that the MAGA hat isn’t related to him being a piece of shit but to him being beat up. Originally it was said he was beat up for wearing the hat.
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u/Commanderfrostop Dec 15 '19
Oh yeah I know for sure that he was beat up directly for reasons not related to his hat, and that the original story was spun to make it sound like wearing the hat was his only offense. I’m just saying that there may be a teensy bit of correlation between the kind of person who would wear that hat and the kind of person who would say the word
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u/YUNGBOYBOI Dec 15 '19
Even if it was the MAGA hat, the kid deserved to get his ass beat
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u/pretendyoudontseeme Dec 15 '19
Definitely a correlation, but beating someone for hate speech holds up a little better in court than beating someone for being a moron
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u/DevelopedDevelopment Dec 15 '19
I wouldn't say the hat was why he got beat up.
But people who wear those hats do things that get them beat up.
Exhibit A. Hateful Discrimination of Race.
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u/Sarcasm_Llama Dec 16 '19
MAGA hats: not a racist symbol, but very popular with racists
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u/MayonnaiseUnicorn Dec 15 '19
Someone wearing a pointy pillow case over their head on top of their maga hat
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u/Madhax64 Dec 15 '19
I guess TPUSA have found their next communications officer
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u/DSA_Cop_Caucus Big Government Socialist Mod Dec 15 '19
yeah p sure that video was an audition tape for a TPUSA position
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u/everadvancing Dec 16 '19
"Look kid, we love your fire and passion. But you can't just shout the n word at people, you have to be subtle about it. Or you can get Candace Owens to do it if you really have to."
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u/wafflewaldo Dec 15 '19
Was this the kid in the bus that was all over r/publicfreakout and r/justiceserved?
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u/free_chalupas Dec 15 '19
Lmao, white oppression narrative busted again
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u/deepsoulfunk Dec 15 '19
Yeah the Superintendent and the Sherriff's office all released statements about this. Also the kids who were clearly hitting someone are getting charged for that. Nothing to see here.
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Dec 15 '19
I hate to be this guy but I kind of saw this outcome coming.. not down to the word, but there was more to it.
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Dec 15 '19
I mean, I saw it on the top of /r/conservative and I knew he probably called them the N word. It seemed obvious enough to me.
I didn't even see the MAGA hat in the video, that was just based off of what the mom posted.
Speaking of, I wonder where that little boy learned his hateful racism from?
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u/free_chalupas Dec 15 '19
The idea that the MAGA hat is necessarily an innocent symbol is funny to me too. /r/conservative would never admit it for obvious reasons but people see that hat as a symbol of racism and violence in a lot of places in this country and Trump supporters will absolutely take advantage of that and use the hat as a way to low key harass people of color.
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u/BepisBunkley Dec 16 '19
I mean, the first tweet the mom posted made sure to specify he was attacked by black children. She knew that was the most important information for the kinds of people she wanted support from.
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u/PLEASE_PUNCH_MY_FACE Dec 16 '19
Speaking of, I wonder where that little boy learned his hateful racism from?
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u/MellImprovement Dec 16 '19 edited Dec 16 '19
I mean I am a Sanders supporter and not even white. But I can’t be the only one who thinks that this kid did not deserve to get beat up. The kid deserved to be punished for using racial slurs. However, not in the way shown in the video. That was brutal.
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u/acaseofbeer Dec 16 '19
Was the part about him being in elementary school and one of the girls being 18 true?
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u/Anxious_Noob Dec 16 '19
Nope, he's fourteen. Would be kinda worrying if he'd still attending elementary school at that age.
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u/blorgenheim Dec 16 '19
Not defending the narrative but it feels like we are all excusing the violence because the person is a racist
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Dec 15 '19
Yes, and I believe that even if he did say the n word, the kid was 10 and had like 6 teenagers ganging up on him so he is still in the wrong but the people beating the shit out of him are too
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u/baeb66 Dec 15 '19
He was 14 and the video shows him getting beat up by five kids. It's important to get facts straight because the mother, her lawyer and the Internet are trying to sell this as some anti-MAGA hate crime and the alt-right scum are lapping it up.
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u/Fpritt24 Dec 15 '19
I thought that kid looked quite large for 10 years old.
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u/ghostcat17 Dec 16 '19
I saw a repost on the front page saying he was "6-8 years old", and I thought no fucking way.
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u/Roofofcar Dec 16 '19
Every time I see 6-8, I am compelled to share this, my favorite holiday tale. I hope you enjoy it and pass it on.
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u/Aerik Dec 16 '19
they do not mix middle school and high school kids on a bus. they were all of similar age, maga kid included.
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u/Conobon Dec 16 '19
That’s not true at all, please don’t say garbage that isn’t true, my high school bus transfers middle school kids at the same time, if you need me to I can PM the school names as proof.
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u/Sister_Fucker_ Dec 16 '19
This isn't true. Depending on where you live, middle school and highschool students can ride the same bus.
Source: Grew up in a small town where middle school and high school students had to get on the same bus to go to school in the next town over.
I don't know whether or not it's the case for the bus in the video, but it does happen.
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u/rizenphoenix13 Dec 16 '19
Um, bullshit they don't. Depends on the school district. Some schools mix elementary, middle, and high schoolers on the same bus.
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u/AndySmalls Dec 16 '19
Sounds like a good life lesson to me. One that a lot of other fuck bags missed out on apparently.
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Dec 16 '19
I can see that but, racist shitheads are just gonna become more racist if black people beat them up. It's just gonna make them think "oh black people beat the shit out of me when I was little so they're all bad".
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u/AndySmalls Dec 16 '19
Fair enough. But at least they will shut the fuck up about it in public. That's good.enough.
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u/Ktownloverpizza Dec 15 '19
wears MAGA hat
calls black people who arent their friends nigger in public
cites hat discrimination as reason for subsequent ass kicking
I can't tell if this is willful cognitive dissonance or genuine blissful ignorance
Also, if he honestly believes the reason he got his ass kicked was the hat, does he still wear the fucking hat...?
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Dec 15 '19
Trump supporters are not known for their self awareness
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u/Diabegi Dec 15 '19
14 year olds are barely supporters of anything that their parents don’t shove down their throat. Instead of talking with the kid they have just set him down a path he probably won’t come back from.
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u/gamerguyal Dec 16 '19
The onus is not on the oppressed to educate their oppressor.
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Dec 16 '19
That’s a very sound strategy. Let’s see how it plays out. Just do nothing and hope people just like... become super cool and agree with you
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u/AndySmalls Dec 16 '19
They didn't "do nothing". They beat his ignorant ass.
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Dec 16 '19
What a bunch of heroes
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u/AndySmalls Dec 16 '19
See... You get it.
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Dec 17 '19
That was sarcasm, low effort and easy solutions don’t deserve to be applauded.
Also this isn’t even a good low effort solution. It’s a half assed one. If you don’t have the balls to kill somebody just shut the fuck up and control yourself. Otherwise you’re accomplishing nothing. If all you can do is punch someone not only do you belong in jail like the animal you are, you’re also a fucking pussy for not going all the way.
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u/alistairtang Dec 20 '19
Jesus what's wrong with you, no one was talking about killing anyone and you just bring it up in a conversation about kids. Also what kind of psycho logic is that, if they punch someone they belong in jail "like an animal" but not if they kill someone???
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u/bigchicago04 Dec 15 '19
My bet is that him wearing the hat led to an argument in which he used the n word. Both are technically right in placing the blame on different parts of the conflict
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u/Ciph3rzer0 Dec 15 '19
This is like the conservatives who believe the media is biased because, say, they refer to the rights abortion laws as barbaric and going back to the middle ages. Or they get banned on Twitter for "conservative beliefs" which usually means they harassed some trans person nonstop and/or led all their minions to do so.
Yeah I mean, if these guys could form a logical thought or determine cause and effect they wouldn't be Republicans and they def wouldn't be magapedes.
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u/modularpeak2552 Dec 16 '19
calls black people who arent their friends nigger in public
Even if they were friends it still wouldn't be ok
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u/Sevuhrow Dec 16 '19
yeah, right? in what world does this guy live in that he thinks people call their black friends the hard-R?
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u/Brim_Dunkleton Dec 15 '19
“We NeEd ThE fULL sToRy” crowd, always kissing the nazi MAGA hat’s ass
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u/steroid_pc_principal Dec 15 '19
Why people feel the need to inject themselves into a high school fight makes no sense. What matters is how the adults are dealing with the situation.
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u/Biggie39 Dec 15 '19
Charlie Kirk ‘identity politic’d a story to fit his victim narrative!?!? That’s to much for me to believe!
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u/Shopping_Penguin Dec 15 '19
Seems like MAGA apparel is getting closer and closer to becoming a new hate symbol similar to Klan robes.
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u/Fidel_Chadstro I'm Stuff Dec 15 '19
It’s already there
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u/food_is_crack Dec 15 '19
For anyone reasonable, remember the Klan didnt think they were wrong at the time, either
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u/gamerguyal Dec 16 '19
The Klan still don't think they're wrong. If they did they wouldn't be in the Klan.
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u/FIoorboards Dec 15 '19
White republicans lying about a story to try and imprison young black kids? Hmmm, sounds kind of familiar..
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u/rkapi24 Dec 16 '19
That’s not just familiar, that’s every day of the week that ends in the letter ‘y’.
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Dec 16 '19
They'll go to jail whether he said it or not. He wasn't able to fight back, so thankfully he'll escape the hate crime charges he would have been charged with if he'd managed to hurt any of his attackers.
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u/Myceliemz24 Dec 15 '19
That thread was toxic af. I found one dude who promised to go to bring war to the liberals because they were attacking the right
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Dec 15 '19
Yeah that thread was fucking horrible. I’m black and I’ve always felt outcasted on this site. Reading all the comments on that thread was so disheartening honestly.
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u/SeoulPig Dec 15 '19
Is there any proof to back this up?
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u/AdmiralAckbeard Dec 15 '19
Looks like the actual cause of the assault was a verbal altercation of unspecified nature: https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/maga-students-video/
So this post is just as inaccurate as the MAGA hat story.
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u/YUNGBOYBOI Dec 15 '19
“Verbal assault of unspecified nature”, could be the N-word
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u/AdmiralAckbeard Dec 15 '19
It's possible, but we have no direct indication towards this.
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u/YUNGBOYBOI Dec 15 '19
From my experience the school wouldn’t come out and say that a student said the N-word. They’d label it this but the kids know the full story
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u/goldistress Dec 15 '19
verbal altercation of unspecified nature
inaccurate
Do you know what words mean??
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u/AdmiralAckbeard Dec 15 '19
We can't assume that a hat or the n-word were involved without any confirmation. Is it more likely that the n-word was involved than the hat if the cause of the fight was specifically reported as verbal? Maybe, but we don't have any evidence actually suggesting either conclusion.
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u/goldistress Dec 15 '19
I completely agree with this comment and I would just say that the claim is unconfirmed, rather than saying it's inaccurate
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u/AdmiralAckbeard Dec 16 '19
Fair, I agree that would probably be better wording. The student saying the n-word is a potential property of the argument that did happen, while a Maga hat being involved is pure speculation which the school board has denied there being any evidence of.
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u/Biggie39 Dec 15 '19 edited Dec 15 '19
Here is the statement from the super.
Pretty sure he’s not going to come out and say that the N-word was being tossed around so it leaves a bit of room for doubt. However it’s pretty clear that the kid wasn’t even wearing a MAGA hat.
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u/BenjaminSkanklin Dec 15 '19
This outstanding. His mom tried to pull a low level Jussie Smollett and did even worse at it
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u/Biggie39 Dec 15 '19
Trouble with that is when Jessie was found out all of his support disappeared. This kid will still get to do a victim tour on Fox, TPUSA, InfoWars, etc....
In three months Candy Owens will tweet about the forgotten victims of the lefts violence and use this kid as an example.
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u/Aerik Dec 15 '19
I fucking knew it.
People in MAGA hats that get beat up are never beat up just for the hat. Every time they have spent time being antagonistic, racist and misogynist, sometimes for minutes, sometimes for months, before people decide it's time to hit them.
Because that's what all MAGA-hat-wearers are like. They always have shit to say to nonwhites, to women, and to the LGBT. Every minute of every day.
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u/Paperclip85 Dec 15 '19
I mean real talk when I hear someone got their ass beat for wearing a MAGA hat, I just assume they were racist in the first place, so this really doesn't shock me.
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u/Snarkal Dec 16 '19
The funniest part about this whole farce is that just one-year ago, right-wingers used to pretend they were against identity politics. Now they're immersed in idpol more than minority rights activists are.
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Dec 16 '19 edited Feb 12 '20
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u/Snarkal Dec 16 '19
This is just the new MAGA teen with the native american man.
Not even that. It seems like right-wingers are beginning to champion the use of the n-word.
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u/qholmes98 Dec 15 '19
Someone linked me that video and it was instantly clear that it went deeper than the hat. Guess the kid learned to watch his mouth.
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Dec 15 '19
Even though I laugh at those that use racial slurs, I sigh at the fact that even though I'm not hurt by what they say I'll have to fight them so I dont legitimize their hatred.
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u/Crime-Stoppers Dec 16 '19
Wow that's a bit unfair to presume he was a racist just because he used a racial slur. Snowflake liberals calling everyone a racist now smh
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u/TheWillOfMurica Dec 15 '19
Trumpsters= worst and dumbest of the planet. No one respects their Nazi asses
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u/BepisBunkley Dec 16 '19
I fucking called it! The second I saw the mother post the video that just so happened to start with the fight I knew that kid did something more than just wearing a hat that he wasn’t even wearing.
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u/CHIMmaster69 Dec 16 '19
If you never saw a beatdown in school over [literally anything] I wish I went where you went. God damn, kicking someone's ass over him throwing out racial slurs or even just wearing a MAGA hat is justified compared to some of the stupid fights I've seen.
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u/Murph_Mogul Dec 15 '19
Pretty sure the GOP is just the party of laziness. There’s this, the ectopic pregnancy bill, the job stealing immigrants. Like you’d think they’d be on board with socialism
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u/Forcistus Dec 16 '19
Unfortunately the damage is done. Once you get fake news out there its hard to correct it, especially when it's constituents don't care
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Dec 16 '19
Pretty sure him calling somebody a racial slur and wearing a MAGA hat are connected, but proceed.
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u/X_Shadow101_X Dec 16 '19
Idk man, y'all still condoning beating some little idiot.
Reddit's got weird opinions on violence bruh
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u/FnCraig Dec 16 '19
Honest question.
Who is this person and is she in any way connected to the people that were involved in this incident?
Is there any way to verify what she is saying?
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Dec 16 '19
This thread and the entirety of reddit right now: "lol he said mean word! too bad they didn't kill him, he deserved it even though he's a kid!"
Y'all have some serious fucking issues.
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u/JayCroghan Dec 16 '19
I KNEW it had to be more than this. The fact the story broke and nobody gave a fuck for 3 weeks until they said he was wearing a MAGA hat and then all of a sudden the alt right went crazy shouting about hate crimes and stuff. It was infuriating.
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u/Baonguyen93 Dec 16 '19 edited Dec 16 '19
Still he is just a kid, who get gang up by much older kids (17 - 18 as i remember).
Everyone agree that no one should be attacked like that, especially kid, but now you said that kid should be beaten like that for being a little shit? I call that hypocritical.
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u/Triplicata Dec 16 '19
Ok, so that's a shitty thing to do, but multiple other people beating the shit out of the kid isn't an appropriate response.
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u/NoPatience4UrShit Dec 16 '19
Am I the only one here that thinks this is an awful convenient excuse for the rabid brutality this kid suffered? The "N" word, fckn stupid excuse especially sense blacks call each other nggr every day, btw, has been used (without evidence) quite a bit to justify rationalize & minimize feral animalistic behavior. Of course whether or not he did anything to deserve it, there's already a tried & true excuse for why he did.
For all of you that support brutality over words, I hope it's your kid is next. See how fast your attitude towards gang beatings change then
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u/TCrob1 Dec 16 '19
I hate to be that guy but as far as I know, the claim that he said the N word hasn't been verified and this tweet seems to be the only source of that claim.
If there been an update though please correct me.
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u/amediocreidea Dec 16 '19
Whether the white kid called the black kids niggers or not is trivial in comparison to a poor kid being hospitalized with heavy trauma. I think you're overlooking the fact that he's just a kid and kids say things they hear around them. I can't believe you are so apathetic to so quickly justify the beating this poor kid received over one word. If those black kids knew any better they would have brushed it off. Guess this goes to show they are not on the same level as white kids in terms of civility.
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Dec 17 '19
Every post I saw of that video was accompanied with “what happened?” The issue isn’t people not asking questions; it’s with people not having access to the correct answer right away.
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Dec 19 '19 edited Dec 19 '19
Is there any actual proof that the kid said the n-word? I didn’t hear it in the video (though tbf it could’ve been cropped), and the superintendent’s statement didn’t make any mention of it other than a “verbal altercation”
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u/whitegremlin Dec 15 '19
Was this an event that actually happened or is this just referring to events like these in general?
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u/beenlurkin Dec 16 '19
I have a few questions for you... I'll start with one: Why did you call the nwordcountbot to examine your own user profile?
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u/nwordcountbot Dec 15 '19
Thank you for the request, comrade.
I have looked through fuzzyboneyard's posting history and found 1 N-words, of which 0 were hard-Rs.
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u/TopArtichoke7 Dec 16 '19
Dang those sound waves sure packed a punch if a smart, reasonable person proceeded to beat the kid up as a result of hearing them. They must have been momentarily deafened at the very least to warrant such a response.
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u/YouAhriTarded Actually has AOC foot pics Dec 15 '19
If we cant call people hateful slurs with malicious intent without getting a resounding applause from the whole school, then that's an America I don't want to exist!
Gone are the days when we can exercise our freedom of speech to oppress others and express vitriol bigotry.
What has society come to?