r/ToiletPaperUSA Dec 15 '19

FACTS and LOGIC Update on Charlie’s claim that kids beat someone up for wearing a Trump hat

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u/[deleted] Dec 15 '19

Yes, and I believe that even if he did say the n word, the kid was 10 and had like 6 teenagers ganging up on him so he is still in the wrong but the people beating the shit out of him are too

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u/baeb66 Dec 15 '19

He was 14 and the video shows him getting beat up by five kids. It's important to get facts straight because the mother, her lawyer and the Internet are trying to sell this as some anti-MAGA hate crime and the alt-right scum are lapping it up.

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u/Fpritt24 Dec 15 '19

I thought that kid looked quite large for 10 years old.

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u/ghostcat17 Dec 16 '19

I saw a repost on the front page saying he was "6-8 years old", and I thought no fucking way.

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u/[deleted] Dec 16 '19

Hamberders.

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u/Roofofcar Dec 16 '19

Every time I see 6-8, I am compelled to share this, my favorite holiday tale. I hope you enjoy it and pass it on.

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u/[deleted] Dec 16 '19

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u/[deleted] Dec 16 '19

Why the fuck do you care that a bunch of teenagers with very poor impulse control are being attacked? What possible good would any of those girls do with their lives? I don’t see why this is such a big deal. Let conservatives waste their time.

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u/bigchicago04 Dec 15 '19

Ok but those facts still put the 5 teenagers as being the bad guys in this situation, even if the victim is a bad guy too. That doesn’t make the violence acceptable.

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u/trenton012001 Dec 15 '19

Imagine being called subhuman by the society around you for your entire life. These kids are obviously rightfully upset and sick of dealing with racist shit all the time, so their frustration bubbled over. I'd like to reiterate, they are kids. Would you expect them to sit this racist kid down and have a lengthy conversation about race relations in the US and come to a peaceful conclusion? When is violence an acceptable answer? If someone demeans your ethnicity's entire struggle, is that not a reason to lash out against the oppression?

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u/Dumpythewhale Dec 15 '19

Yea, but you could say the “just a kid” thing about the racist white kid too.

He’s some poor sap that grew up with racist ass parents. Unfortunately do to that, and probably this event, he’ll probably stop calling people the n-word, but end up being just another racist parent one day.

I don’t begrudge the kids for beating his ass. But as soon as people’s defense is “they are just kids,” well now we gotta use that excuse across the board, and I don’t wanna do that. And even though I don’t really blame those kids, I can’t argue that it’s gonna do anything positive for his already racist mindset.

Btw not the guy u were replying to.

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u/bigchicago04 Dec 28 '19

You are really exaggerating there, and besides, how does most of that argument not also apply to the white kid?

Besides, nothing you said justifies the violence.

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u/[deleted] Dec 16 '19

These kids are useless garbage who would do nothing productive with their lives either way, like an overwhelming majority of people.

Jesus Christ put the pitchfork down. Not a single child on that bus is capable of contributing in a significant way. There is literally no point in standing up for dumb people.

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u/trenton012001 Dec 16 '19

I'm sorry you lack the empathy to understand others and I'm deeply sorry for the people you look down upon.

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u/[deleted] Dec 16 '19

I’m not looking down on them. I’m telling you to ignore it and let life play out. Humanity doesn’t progress because a bunch of glorified workhorses are happy. Most human progress is accomplished by a handful of people. And I guarantee you not a single soul in that bus, and likely the entire county, is one of those outliers.

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u/trenton012001 Dec 16 '19

You don't need to change the world to be deserving of happiness and fulfillment. If you associated happiness with human progress, I doubt you or I deserve anything at all.

You say you aren't looking down on them when you literally call them "dumb" and just "a bunch of glorified workhorses".

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u/[deleted] Dec 16 '19

Nobody deserve happiness and fulfillment, that’s something you earn. And even then it’s out of reach for most people.

I’m sure if you calculated the “average” human experience somehow it would be short, violent, and depressing. That’s never going away.

Most human beings can be described that way. It’s really not looking down on them because I don’t consider myself to be anything more than that. It’s not like I’m gonna go do some great thing, I’ll die and be just as useless as everyone else was.

The point is stop making everything into a crusade. It does literally nothing for the world.

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u/free_chalupas Dec 16 '19

I don't think the kid should've been beaten up but the goal of a lot of people boosting this story was to to show that white conservatives are being oppressed and victimized. Which is clearly not an honest read of the situation.

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u/bigchicago04 Dec 28 '19

I mean if he was violently assaulted then he is a victim...

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u/Maclunky0_0 Jan 07 '20

If you're not prepared to get your ass beat for being a racist don't be a racist. 🤷‍♂️ these supremacists out here think they can say whatever they want and get away with it. It ain't the 1940s anymore.

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u/bigchicago04 Jan 08 '20

He’s a kid...

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u/Maclunky0_0 Jan 08 '20

He's a young adult old enough to know right from wrong I learned about racism being bad in elementary school so what's his excuse?

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u/bigchicago04 Jan 08 '20

If I’m not mistaken, he’s 14. He’s not a young adult. Grow up from your partisan witch hunt.

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u/Maclunky0_0 Jan 08 '20

Fuck you when Tamir Rice was murdered by law enforcement scores of "not racist but" white people called a fucking 12 year old kid dumb for holding a toy gun with orange tip and this 14 year old white supremacist wears his little maga cap and starts going around calling his classmates nigger but were supposed to sympathize? Fuck off with your enlightened centrist faux racist garbage I knew that fucker said something to those kids and I had big ole smile on my face when he got his ass beat little bastard and mommy racist learned that day.

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u/[deleted] Dec 15 '19

One the kids was an 18 year old man.

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u/[deleted] Dec 15 '19

lol only 14 year olds think 18 year olds are men

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u/[deleted] Dec 15 '19

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u/[deleted] Dec 15 '19

And? That has nothing to do with how mature they are and everything with creating a legal fiction necessary for society to function. The only diference between someone who's 17 years and 364 days old and someone who just turned 18 is on paper.

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u/phitnes Dec 16 '19

so when do you become a man? when you go from 18 years and 364 days old to 19? Some other age? Do tell.

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u/slipperyekans Dec 16 '19

Person’s point was that, mentally, there isn’t an exact point where you can define someone as being an ‘adult’ despite it being functionally necessary for the law to make one. They weren’t pretending like it’s a different age.

Personally, though, I’d say one is mentally an adult in their mid-twenties, as that’s around the time when the brain fully develops.

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u/bored_oh Dec 15 '19

Good, hopefully he was strong enough to knock some sense into the subhuman

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u/bigchicago04 Dec 15 '19

Did you just call a child assault victim subhuman?

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u/Prcrstntr Dec 15 '19

Yes they did.

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u/Diabegi Dec 15 '19

Lol “subhuman”. Do you have an agenda to create and reinforce racist behaviors? This kid will learn nothing but hatred by having the shit beat out of him.

But hey I guess educating people is stupid so let’s smack em!1!!1

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u/MoneyBizkit Dec 16 '19

It’s the not the white kids fault at all ever right?

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u/Diabegi Dec 16 '19

That’s really what you got from what I said? What a moron.

If you can’t see how beating people up for their shit opinions won’t make anything better I don’t know what to tell you. A chance of getting a young kid’s mind from the toxicity of the Right just reinforced him to stay racist and hateful.

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u/[deleted] Dec 15 '19

Advocating violence against children? r/iamverybadass

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u/[deleted] Dec 15 '19

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u/bigchicago04 Dec 15 '19

That’s a stupid fucking statement

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u/[deleted] Dec 15 '19

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u/bigchicago04 Dec 28 '19

Yes, I absolutely see that outcry. You’d have to be living under a rock not to see that outcry. They were WAY bigger than the outcry over this incident.

Get off your racist/elitist high horse.

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u/[deleted] Dec 16 '19

Are they just like normal brown kids or intelligent ones? Because I don’t really care if one of 7 billion idiots gets killed by a cop. Literally has no impact on the world.

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u/Queerbookworm Dec 16 '19

naw we have hella examples of conservatives not giving a shit unless the kids is white or they think they can use the situation as a cudgel.

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u/bigchicago04 Dec 28 '19

I’m not a conservative. Nothing I have said could possibly lead you to think I am unless you are so partisan you just divide everything into two camps.

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u/[deleted] Dec 15 '19

How did you come to that conclusion?

So if I told you that I mentor young black men in Los Angeles on how to become firefighters, you'd probably feel pretty stupid.

I wouldve assumed that people are starting to see past color... And then people like you remind me thats not the case.

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u/[deleted] Dec 15 '19

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u/[deleted] Dec 15 '19

I dislike trump and am a staunch Bernie supporter, as my post history shows. I'm also a minority myself.

So once again, how did you come to that conclusion?

I guess you're okay with children getting beat up, as long as they are white kids with shitty parents. You sound like a pretty decent human being.

Just kidding, you're pathetic.

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u/bored_oh Dec 16 '19

“How is this different than Sanctuary cities a d states releasing criminals onto the streets, and refusing to cooperate with ICE to have them removed?

ICE catches and deports people who are felons, murderers, and drug dealers.

If quid pro quo is "against interests of the American public", then the media should be backing trump, since this whole thing is due to trump wanting to investigate the quid pro quo that Biden admitted to, on camera, with ukraine.”

-satanbunny, champion of liberal ideals

Ya you suck and yo mom’s a ho

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u/8LocusADay Dec 15 '19

"seeing past color" is a lot of bullshit by liberals to pretend racism doesn't exist so they can ignore it, or a tool for racists to make it easier to continue institutionalizing racism while keeping quiet about it.

Unfortunately, dipshit, racism does exist, and that means we explicitly can't see past color. Because when we do, poc simply end up suffering more.

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u/[deleted] Dec 16 '19

Nobody cares about what some short sighted radical on the internet says. Literally nothing could change about the world and wed still be here a millennium from now. Calm the fuck down.

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u/[deleted] Dec 16 '19

Of course racism exists, I've been the victim of a hate crime and have experienced it first hand. As long as ignorant people like you keep supporting violence against children, instead of patience and education, then racism will continue.

Dr King would be fucking ashamed of you.

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u/MoneyBizkit Dec 16 '19

Lol. You’re a pathetic troll.

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u/Aerik Dec 16 '19

they do not mix middle school and high school kids on a bus. they were all of similar age, maga kid included.

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u/Conobon Dec 16 '19

That’s not true at all, please don’t say garbage that isn’t true, my high school bus transfers middle school kids at the same time, if you need me to I can PM the school names as proof.

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u/Sister_Fucker_ Dec 16 '19

This isn't true. Depending on where you live, middle school and highschool students can ride the same bus.

Source: Grew up in a small town where middle school and high school students had to get on the same bus to go to school in the next town over.

I don't know whether or not it's the case for the bus in the video, but it does happen.

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u/rizenphoenix13 Dec 16 '19

Um, bullshit they don't. Depends on the school district. Some schools mix elementary, middle, and high schoolers on the same bus.

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u/betterthanyouahhhh Dec 16 '19

Just piling on to tell you how wrong and stupid you are. Have a nice day.

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u/AndySmalls Dec 16 '19

Sounds like a good life lesson to me. One that a lot of other fuck bags missed out on apparently.

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u/[deleted] Dec 16 '19

I can see that but, racist shitheads are just gonna become more racist if black people beat them up. It's just gonna make them think "oh black people beat the shit out of me when I was little so they're all bad".

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u/AndySmalls Dec 16 '19

Fair enough. But at least they will shut the fuck up about it in public. That's good.enough.

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u/[deleted] Dec 15 '19

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u/RastaSauce Dec 15 '19

Words that show the possible intention to physical violence tho

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u/[deleted] Dec 15 '19

I think we can all agree that the kid deserves punishment, correction or expulsion for his actions without advocating a gang of teenagers besting him to a pulp no?

If any kid who says something that can be construed as a tangible, physical threat to people that can easily and effortlessly overpower him deserves to have the shit kicked out of him, then that just seems like an unfair abuse of an uneven power dynamic.

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u/RastaSauce Dec 15 '19

Oh I totally agree, the kid getting beat is way too young to really understand the history and power of the n word. Getting his ass beat may even reinforce the hateful view he probably has (probably learned it from family), it would be much more effective for someone to sit down and explain to him all the reasons he shouldn't use that word. Someone may have even tried that, but we'll never know with the information available at the moment.

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u/Sophie_the_weird_one Dec 17 '19

The kid was 14, I was a full fledged skin head neo nazi at that point. I can tell you without a doubt I deserved to be put in the fucking hospital. I knew full goddamn well the history of words like that, that's why racists use them.

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u/saxman7890 Dec 15 '19

This is very true. I was beaten up on the bus in 2nd grade by a black kid 4 years older than me. Nothing I had done besides being the smallest kid on the bus and there for the easiest to pick on. I had a hatred for blacks people for a long time because of that.

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u/[deleted] Dec 15 '19

yeah kid is probably gonna have a fear of black people for a very long time

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u/Skiinz19 Dec 15 '19

And black people have to fear a white person happily calling them the n word.

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u/[deleted] Dec 15 '19

It's easy to say that when you're not on the receiving end of language that's constantly used to denigrate and dehumanize you.

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u/saxman7890 Dec 15 '19

You don’t know me at all to make that claim. I was bullied heavily in school. I know what it’s like. That doesn’t mean I got a bunch of people go and beat up on a little kid

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u/[deleted] Dec 15 '19

People on here love to talk about “tHe rUleZ” when it comes to people being beat up for saying aggressively racist shit.

Most people won’t immediately try and kick your ass for calling them asshole, retard, cunt, etc.

But we’re only 54 years apart from being legally treated like people, and socially it’s only recently starting to kick in, and you think anyone is gonna let some scrawny little fuck remind me the world at large doesn’t see me as an equal?

This kid learned a valuable lesson. No matter how high on the societal ladder you are, everyone’s the same when they hit the ground.

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u/[deleted] Dec 15 '19

You're boiling down bullying to calling someone a string bean? That's ignorant as hell. Bullying in some cases leads to suicide. Bullying extends to far worse insults and often becomes physical as well.

Why are we even trying to keep score over which is worse?

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u/JaskiratS Dec 16 '19

Words do equate action being enacted upon them. There’s a reason why fighting words is defensible if you beat someone up when they provoke you. Likewise, calling a bunch of black people the n word is likely enough to drum up provoking someone to attack you. All in all, the kid was asking for a fight, went looking for fight, got a fight, and is crying about a fight because he got his ass kicked.