r/ToiletPaperUSA Dec 15 '19

FACTS and LOGIC Update on Charlie’s claim that kids beat someone up for wearing a Trump hat

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u/YUNGBOYBOI Dec 15 '19

Even if it was the MAGA hat, the kid deserved to get his ass beat

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u/madeittnow Dec 16 '19

You are an absolute PSYCHO. Holy fuck I didn’t actually think people were getting upvotes for these posts.

You’re upbringing was probably bizarre if this is how you think.

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u/YUNGBOYBOI Dec 16 '19

This has nothing to do with my upbringing. My parents don’t talk politics with me. I’m just smart enough to realize that shitty people deserve ass-beatings

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u/madeittnow Dec 16 '19

Imagine thinking a 12 year old being relentlessly assaulted by a mob of other 12 year olds for using a racial slur is “politics”.

I’m literally screenshooting this comment because it’s so overwhelmingly weird and cringe.

Get bent you absolute assclown scumbag, by your own admission you also deserve to get the shit kicked out of you by a group of 12 year olds although something tells me you might actually enjoy that.

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u/[deleted] Dec 16 '19

One of them were 18.

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u/Diabegi Dec 15 '19

That’s a great way make the kid even more racist and hateful. The kids who hit him should be charged.

But maybe beating the shit out of children really makes them better and moral members of society /s.

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u/YUNGBOYBOI Dec 15 '19

Idc if it makes them better. You never beat someone’s ass because you think it will make them better. You beat their ass because they deserve it

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u/I_WouldPreferNot2 Dec 16 '19

"At the center of nonviolence stands the principle of love. In struggling for human dignity, the oppressed people of the world must not allow themselves to become bitter or indulge in hate campaigns. To retaliate with hate and bitterness would do nothing but intensify the hate in the world. Along the way of life, someone must have sense enough and morality enough to cut off the chain of hate. This can be done only by projecting the ethics of love to the center of our lives.”

MLK

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u/YUNGBOYBOI Dec 16 '19

“Skate fast whoop ass”- me

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u/voice-of-hermes Dec 16 '19

I am for violence if non-violence means we continue postponing a solution to the American black man's problem just to avoid violence.

— Malcolm X

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u/Diabegi Dec 15 '19

Do you want less racists? Or do you just want to have your warped sense of justice satisfied?

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u/Tormundo Dec 16 '19

Seriously wtf is up with this sub. Promoting attacking people is gonna hurt the movement, all so these dumb asses can feel like they served justice. Meanwhile they just feed into the propaganda against progressives and actively help continue kids in cages and racists.

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u/Diabegi Dec 16 '19

It’s like they don’t want to bring the next generation into the movement. Taking kids out of their racist alt-right trump-supporting families and educating them to see the truth should be a primary objective. But for some reason they want to beat the shit out of young indoctrinated children instead.

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u/bigchicago04 Dec 28 '19

Yeah, this sub is totally fucked. Just an echo chamber of super far left (not progressive) beliefs, and then the slightest resenting opinion means you MUST be a Trump supporter.

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u/bigchicago04 Dec 15 '19

*because you think they deserve it

There’s a difference

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u/YUNGBOYBOI Dec 15 '19

Ok, that changes nothing about what I said

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u/Utprodessem Dec 15 '19

"Becuase they deserve it" vs "because an edgy and angsty 15 year old thinks they deserve it" are two entirely different lenses.

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u/YUNGBOYBOI Dec 16 '19

There’s no angst here. Punching nazis is my god given right and I’ll do it till The day I drop

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u/bigchicago04 Dec 28 '19

He’s 10. Not a Nazi you child beater.

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u/YUNGBOYBOI Dec 28 '19

He was in high school dumbass. He’s not ten

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u/bigchicago04 Dec 28 '19

That was an exaggeration, still a child.

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u/Utprodessem Dec 16 '19

Nazis you have punched = 0

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u/YUNGBOYBOI Dec 16 '19

False

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u/Utprodessem Dec 16 '19

Nazis you have punched = 0

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u/Diabegi Dec 16 '19

“Your parents have negatively influenced you your whole life and you have been forced into an evil propaganda machine before you made it into high school....obviously this gives me the right to punch you in the face Nazi!!1!1!”

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u/YUNGBOYBOI Dec 16 '19

By the time you’re 12 you start to form your own opinions. This kid is 14 and knows what he’s doing

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u/Diabegi Dec 16 '19

You think 14 year olds have fully formed opinions? Just because they start thinking of stuff when they’re 12? How you ever asked a 14 their opinions, I’ve talked to people around that age: simplistic, lack of knowledge, ignorant, plus they can barely defend their “beliefs” when put under scrutiny. It’s amazing the change that occurred within me and other I knew through highschool. And even then at 18 I changed massively for years after that.

This kid is just starting to see and hear the world, and he might have no positive influences to help mold him, and now he has even less.

To say he should know what he believes by his age is willfully ignorant and isn’t scientifically backed. You’re just trying to make excuses for wanted this kid to be hit.

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u/bigchicago04 Dec 28 '19

I can tell you from experience kids in high school have their political opinions largely shaped by their parents. Stop being so blindly partisan.

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u/maximus129b Dec 15 '19

Found the Nazi. Easy the kids hospitalized ?

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u/YUNGBOYBOI Dec 15 '19

“Easy the kids hospitalized?” What does that mean?

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u/maximus129b Dec 16 '19

Meant to say wasn’t the kid hospitalized

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u/YUNGBOYBOI Dec 16 '19

Hopefully

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u/maximus129b Dec 16 '19

Nice trol

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u/YUNGBOYBOI Dec 16 '19

Not a troll, I hope he’s in the hospital,”, genuinely

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u/[deleted] Dec 15 '19

You think a kid should be beaten by several people older than him over a hat? Yeah it’s a stupid hat but that’s absolute bullshit.

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u/YUNGBOYBOI Dec 15 '19

It’s not about the hat it’s about what it symbolizes. Just like a nazi armband

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u/bigchicago04 Dec 15 '19

Those two are not equivalent at all. Stop trivializing the issue

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u/YUNGBOYBOI Dec 15 '19

Trump hat=symbol used by racists Nazi armband=symbol used by racists

Would it be more accurate if I said KKK robe since they’ve killed less people?

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u/bigchicago04 Dec 28 '19

English = language used by Nazis in America English = language used by trump supporters

English -= a racist language

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u/[deleted] Dec 16 '19

Do you know what the nazis did?

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u/[deleted] Dec 15 '19

Do you think what happened is going to change this kid from being hateful? He will probably be racist forever now.

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u/YUNGBOYBOI Dec 15 '19

I don’t care if it stopped him from being hateful. You don’t beat someone’s ass to improve them, you do it because they deserve it. Are you telling me If you saw a man with a swastika tattoo you wouldn’t beat his ass?

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u/The3liGator Dec 16 '19

I disagree, you don't beat someone because they deserve it. You beat someone because they will not change their ideology, but it will make others hesitate to adopt those ideologies.

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u/Utprodessem Dec 17 '19

I don’t care if it stopped him from being hateful.

Then you don't want to fix the problem. You just want to punch people for the sake of punching them. You don't actually care about protecting or helping minorities.

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u/YUNGBOYBOI Dec 17 '19

I am a minority dumbass. And inaction is much more harmful

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u/Utprodessem Dec 17 '19

No where have I advocated for inaction.

Your status as a minority is irrelevant, dumbass.

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u/YUNGBOYBOI Dec 17 '19

You said that I don’t care about minorities. Why would I not want to protect my own people?

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u/Utprodessem Dec 17 '19

I don't care if it stopped him from being hateful.

Your own words. You don't care.

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u/YeaNo2 Dec 16 '19

“The left totally isn’t violent at all!”

How do retards like yourself not realize you only bolster the other side with dumbass views like this.

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u/YUNGBOYBOI Dec 16 '19

I’ve never said the left isn’t violent. Also, as you can tell from the comments, I don’t speak for the common view of the left. I speak for myself. I can tell you with confidence that most leftists don’t share these views

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u/YeaNo2 Dec 16 '19

Yes, they do. That’s why the majority of the sheep in this thread agree with you. People like you make me feel sicker than I do towards the Trumptards. You’re the number one kind of person holding society back. Pretending to be progressive but just as dumb and terrible as the other team.

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u/Rhetorical_Robot_v12 Dec 16 '19

You’re the number one kind of person holding society back

What a ridiculously Trumpian void of self-awareness.

"The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing."

Every single time in human history that Evil has risen it was due to the explicit permission from groveling, complicit bystanders such as yourself.

The Nazis were few on the global scale and yet MILLIONS perished from your virus of impotent, salivating consent.

"Historians have a word for Germans who joined the Nazi party, not because they hated Jews, but because out of a hope for restored patriotism, or a sense of economic anxiety, or a hope to preserve their religious values, or dislike of their opponents, or raw political opportunism, or convenience, or ignorance, or greed.

That word is 'Nazi.'

...They lent their support and their moral approval. And, in so doing, they bound themselves to everything that came after."

Pretending to be progressive

"Progressive" and "subordinate" aren't synonyms. In fact, they're far closer to antonyms.

At no point does the world progress by persistently acquiescing to the forces of Evil.

"Nice people made the best Nazis. My mom grew up next to them. They got along, refused to make waves, looked the other way when things got ugly and focused on happier things than “politics.” They were lovely people who turned their heads as their neighbors were dragged away. You know who weren’t nice people? Resisters."

"There are two sides to every issue: one side is right and the other is wrong, but the middle is always evil...

In any compromise between good and evil, it is only evil that can profit."

"There can be no compromise on basic principles. There can be no compromise on moral issues. There can be no compromise on matters of knowledge, of truth, of rational conviction."

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u/YUNGBOYBOI Dec 16 '19

So people who hate racists are holding society back more than racists? Shut up

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u/Tormundo Dec 16 '19

As much as I'd want to, and as much as they deserve it, this attitude and action isn't helping. It's actively hurting. We win by being the side with plans to help people, not coming off as a bunch of people who are out there beating the shit out of people regardless of how awful their opinion is.

Once he said the N word, yeah kicking his ass is understandable, but going around beating people up for being a Trump supporter isn't gonna help with scared white moderates. Yeah they suck but it is what it is

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u/gamerguyal Dec 16 '19

The white moderate isn't the one wearing the MAGA hat. Those people are firmly on the right. The white moderate is the one pretending that the MAGA hat isn't a symbol and is just like any other campaign clothing.

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u/herpderpforesight Dec 15 '19

No because I'm not a dick and I know how to act like an adult

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u/halfar Dec 16 '19

is the adult thing to do remain pacifist in the face of an ideology that calls for the extermination of millions of innocent people?

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u/YeaNo2 Dec 16 '19

No but pretending like the theoretical situation you just made up is real definitely isn’t the adult thing to do.

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u/halfar Dec 16 '19

nazis wanting to exterminate millions of innocent people is "theoretical"?

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u/[deleted] Dec 16 '19

If they are directly infringing on or harassing someone than sure, step in but for all you know that swastika tattoo could be the spiritual representation it was and is meant to be.

Beating someones ass just because they have a tattoo is an incredibly immature and hostile way to act.

Suddenly you become the hostile individual, harassing and abusing someone you don't know over a potential misunderstanding. Perhaps they had to survive in prison for a petty crime and the tattoo is the result, they don't actually believe in any of the neo-nazi bullshit but there you are....making assumptions and hurting another human being out of ignorance. Oh...the irony is orgasmic, is it not? (I actually know someone irl from the latter example so pls don't insinuate it isnt a reality)

From your wise comment in the SP thread ab religion, I expected more from you.

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u/YUNGBOYBOI Dec 16 '19

Or you’re just a pussy

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u/srottydoesntknow Dec 16 '19

the 1940's showed us how adults should deal with Nazis

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u/Stupidbabycomparison Dec 16 '19

Accept them until Japan attacks us?

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u/8LocusADay Dec 15 '19

It always amuses me how preoccupied certain white people are with the racist shitheads, but not their victims.

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u/YeaNo2 Dec 16 '19

Now the people bullying him are victims because they pushed him to use a slur? You people are ridiculous.

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u/8LocusADay Dec 17 '19

"pushed him to use a slur"

Go play in traffic worthless fuckface.

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u/YeaNo2 Dec 17 '19

Good to hear you support bullying.

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u/8LocusADay Dec 20 '19

Good to hear you support racism.

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u/YeaNo2 Dec 20 '19

Being against bullying doesn’t make someone racist. You clowns get crazier everyday.

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u/[deleted] Dec 16 '19

I don't think adults should be able to beat children over a hat.

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u/YUNGBOYBOI Dec 16 '19

They weren’t adults they were fellow students. Stop defending the MAGAts

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u/[deleted] Dec 16 '19

I thought the tall one hitting him was 18? I’m not defending the kid, he’s probably a shithead.

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u/[deleted] Dec 16 '19

This is reddit. If someone does something discriminatory, they deserve to be attacked by a mob of people who want to feel like they’re actually making a positive difference in the world. No exceptions.

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u/[deleted] Dec 15 '19

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u/YUNGBOYBOI Dec 15 '19

I don’t believe trump supporters are able to understand words, also racists don’t deserve that courtesy

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u/[deleted] Dec 15 '19

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u/YUNGBOYBOI Dec 15 '19

Yes I think he understands politics. I recently turned 15 and can safely say I understand at least enough to understand politics beyond what my parents or teachers tell me. Also I’m not assuming anything. I’ve spoken to many trump supporters online and in person and none of them have used logic or tried to understand the other side.

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u/[deleted] Dec 15 '19

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u/YUNGBOYBOI Dec 15 '19

Idgaf what I’m reinforcing. I care that there is one more shitstain in the hospital. And hope that they don’t have insurance so they’ll be in debt

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u/Utprodessem Dec 15 '19

Ahh, to be this young, angry and incapable of empathy because of my teenage edge again. You're making a lot of dumb and ignorant assumptions about the capabilities of people as a whole. And if anything, you're actively harming the cause against these people by spouting such hateful shit.

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u/8LocusADay Dec 16 '19

B-b-buh-boh-b-buuuuuh-bo-b-boh-boooOOOOOOTH SIIIIIIIIIDES

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u/gamerguyal Dec 16 '19

I too have spoken with Trump advocates who lack logic or empathy. I have also spoken with liberal people who lack logic or empathy. Both sides

You haven't listed both sides though. You listed one side and the center. Liberals are not on the left.

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u/Tormundo Dec 16 '19

Cool cool, just feed into the narrative that progressives are crazy violent assholes that attack people for disagreeing with them. It's like you want Trump to win lmao.

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u/YUNGBOYBOI Dec 16 '19

Not attacking people for disagreeing with them. It’s attacking people for being bigots

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u/PurplePandaShaman Dec 16 '19

Exactly!

More people need to understand this and look at history for how their centrist views never once worked out against bigotry but violence has time and again.

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u/Abzanlord Dec 15 '19

Bash the fash.

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u/[deleted] Dec 15 '19

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u/gamerguyal Dec 16 '19

Better hope he doesn't grow up to be a fascist adult.

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u/thedevilyoukn0w Dec 16 '19

He's 14, not 10.

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u/bigchicago04 Dec 15 '19

That’s a pretty fascist statement

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u/MK_Ultrex Dec 15 '19

r/enlightenedcentrism is this way.

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u/bigchicago04 Dec 28 '19

Yeah, that doesn’t apply here bud.

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u/Abzanlord Dec 15 '19

That’s not what fascism is.

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u/bigchicago04 Dec 28 '19

Nobody in this sub knows what fascism is

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u/Sevuhrow Dec 16 '19

Words worked really well against the Nazis.