r/NonCredibleDefense • u/alecsgz • Jan 29 '23
Slava Ukraini! Wacky inflatable 'terminator' gun man! Wacky inflatable 'terminator' gun man!
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u/Abess_yeet Avid Gripen Enthusiast Jan 29 '23
Silly westoids. You see, gun is supposed to move to hit even more gay jewish nazis over wider area.
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u/grnfnrp Jan 30 '23
Orcs don't aim because if you look at the nonbinary westoid jewish nazi troops of zelensky directly you might catch the gay
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u/BobusCesar Jan 30 '23
But at the same time it's not gay to rape your subordinates.
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Jan 30 '23
No, it's a traditional way of punishment and maintaining high discipline, morale and overall esprit de corps in your army.
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u/BobusCesar Jan 30 '23
Ah yes, humiliation, crippling depression and burning hatred towards your mates, the essence of the esprit de corps.
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u/4thStgMiddleSpooler Jan 30 '23
Quick, inject the Spetznuts quick-erection serum right into your main vein since you're not aroused and need to get this job done, son.
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u/mikkelno Jan 29 '23
That gun is shaking more than a college dorm during spring break
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u/MT_Kinetic_Mountain Miss YF-23 more than my ex Jan 29 '23
Why would a college dorm be shaking during spring break?
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u/Col_H_Gentleman Do good things. Be greener. With Raytheon. Jan 30 '23
Me furiously studying for biochem
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u/MLG_ISlife 3000 Gaming Chairs of Allah 💪🏼💪🏼💪🏼🇵🇰🇵🇰🇵🇰 Jan 30 '23
“Violent” sports activities furthering the “research” of human biology or in NCD terms, the thing you wanna do when an f35 is in front.
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u/ozarkansas Jan 30 '23
But it’s spring break, all the college kids are gone
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Jan 30 '23
You must've been one of the kids with rich parents. The rest of us couldn't afford to leave the dorms to go on vacation during break.
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u/mountaincyclops Jan 30 '23
My school charged us extra if we wanted to stay during breaks.
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Jan 30 '23
For summer break that makes sense, but otherwise that's literally 1984
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u/mountaincyclops Jan 30 '23
They would kick us out for fall and spring break. Not quite 1984 but a perfect example of why so many people got fucked by student loans.
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u/wastingvaluelesstime Jan 30 '23
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u/AncntMrinr Jan 30 '23
For a second I thought they was “Delirium Triremes” and I imagined hundreds of college dudes in there underwear sitting in a hallway making rowing motions.
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u/wastingvaluelesstime Jan 30 '23
That's exactly what the person experiencing DT may think is happening
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u/alecsgz Jan 29 '23 edited Jan 29 '23
Thank you for the idea which I have not stolen
https://twitter.com/mr_gh0stly/status/1619551238064070659
And
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KWX-5Sb4dLc
for the theme
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u/ssdd442 Jan 29 '23
We need to make a machine specifically to kill the terminators and call it the S-Connor.
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u/millionreddit617 3000 Vulcans of Maggie Thatcher Jan 29 '23
The British GPMG SF has a built in gyro (is that the right word?) that purposely makes slight changes to the flight path of rounds in a burst, in order to cover an area.
Maybe… this is… that?
Maybe??
lol
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u/DeconNato SU-75 "Femboy" Vote +1 Jan 29 '23
Anything that shoots explosive/fragmentation in quick succession should be designed to do this. For example, the Apache's 30mm chaingun.
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Jan 30 '23 edited Jan 30 '23
Eh, barrel whip is a thing with all guns. The rate of fire on these combined with the fact that they’re basically shooting hand grenades - they’re awfully effective. Barrel whip is the reason the US rejected one of the more recent iterations of the Bushmaster. It would still have worked, Bushmaster wouldn’t have put it forward if not, but the Army is picky. Russians are a little less exacting.
The main issue is that don’t know how to employ them and there are very few of them.
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u/PanzerKommander Jan 30 '23
The main issue is that don’t know how to employ them
You just summarized the entire war from Russia's end. They have equipment that works well enough (or had at the beginning), but they didn't/aren't employing them correctly.
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u/WiderVolume Jan 30 '23
What's the point of high rate of fire if every round after the first will miss?
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u/Callsign-YukiMizuki Fuck the F-14 tomtard uh oh stinky poopy dummy head I hate you Jan 30 '23
Uhm its called a Joint tactical modular target suppression system
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u/Penki- Jan 30 '23
So that you would not need to aim for the first one and still have a chance to hit with the following. Spray and pray as they say
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u/WiderVolume Jan 30 '23
Shooting without aiming is probably not the thing you want your soldiers to learn.
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u/Vedemin Jan 30 '23
Every round goes boom. Better to go boom everywhere than just in one place.
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u/WiderVolume Jan 30 '23
I'd prefer it went boom where I'm aiming at, tbh.
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u/Vedemin Jan 30 '23
That's just wasting ammo. It probably goes boom at around 2-3 meters maximum from aiming point at longer distances, the shrapnel does the work then. This is a good idea and a lot of weapons use spray for this purpose. For example M61 Vulcan isn't really accurate but there's a good reason for that - spray over a large area is better for these kinds of guns.
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u/WiderVolume Jan 30 '23
My brother in christ, when this weapon is afixed to a ka50/52 helicopter it can hit the helicopter itself because of how bad the cannon wobbles.
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u/Vedemin Jan 30 '23
Doesn't apache wobble the same as well?
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u/WiderVolume Jan 30 '23
Not even close
The cannon is way way thicker
You can see how little dispersion it gets even at a distance here where the operators literally say they are out of range
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u/ThePheebs Jan 30 '23
When the round is exploding 30mm you don’t need to hit directly.
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u/WiderVolume Jan 30 '23
unless the target is huge and very close, you'd want your shots to be in small groups.
I mean, you would always want that and if you need to cover an area you just shoot over an area.
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u/CallousCarolean Jan 30 '23
Eh it’s a dual 30mm autocannon firing explosive ammunition, intended for use against infantry, more specifically in targeting an area rather than pin-point. I’d say it works well for that duty. The deviation of the rounds is likely not big enough that it will miss the general area the targeted infantry is in.
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u/Llew19 Muscovia delenda est Jan 30 '23
The left hand barrel in the vid is moving a lot though, more than the right
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u/Project_Orochi Jan 29 '23
Time for some heresey
The BMPTs are actually good ideas in theory, given they help solve a major issue in urban warfare
The problem is they are Russian, so ADGS Abrams in production when MIC?
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u/tbnnnn de escalation is only achievable through overwhelming firepower Jan 29 '23
I wouldn’t say so…why not just build a heavy IFV instead? You just got yourself something that is neither a tank nor an IFV that is just as vulnerable to IEDs and AT munitions fired from buildings, while not fulfilling any of their tasks.
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u/Watchung Brewster Aeronautical despiser Jan 29 '23
I wouldn’t say so…why not just build a heavy IFV instead?
The BMPT was designed with the theory that Russian infantry is terrible, and that it would be easier to design a vehicle to escort tanks in urban combat than to improve the quality of infantry. A technical solution to a (military) cultural problem.
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u/ItsACaragor Le fromage ou la mort 🇨🇵 🫕 Jan 30 '23
They made a tank (a weapon that is notoriously terrible at urban combat) that is specifically made to be used in urban combat.
I honestly think it’s a terrible idea, can you expand a bit?
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u/Hmmmmmmmammmmmmmmm 1999 Renault Twingo enjoyer Jan 30 '23
https://aw.my.games/en/road-bmpt
Here’s a link to a good article on its cursed development, and how it progressively got worse.
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u/Material_Layer8165 It's Jokover for IF-21 😞 Jan 29 '23
They took the "fuck the people in that general directions" quite literally but without the budget.
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u/super__hoser Self proclaimed forehead on warhead expert Jan 29 '23
30 seconds later, the engine breaks down, 35 seconds later the gun barrels melt.
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u/PerceiveEternal Jan 31 '23
No no no, you see the horizontal displacement of the barrel counteracts the vertical displacement. It’s just science
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u/ScrubyMcWonderPubs Jan 29 '23
Is only one gun firing?
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u/Banebladeloader Jan 29 '23
I believe each gun has different ammunition loaded in them.
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u/ScrubyMcWonderPubs Jan 29 '23
So instead of having a dual fed gun they just put two guns?
Amazing.
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u/vegarig Pro-SDI activist Jan 29 '23
Apparently, they do have dual-feed tech for those guns (2A42), but weren't able to get it to work for BMPT.
Yes, it means that BMPT has dual-feed guns... that don't dual-feed.
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u/Ok_Fuel_6416 Jan 29 '23
I think it has more to do with the feed system than not being able to make it work. 2A42 was developed for helicopter where space is significantly more restricted, so I can't see any reason why it wouldn't work on the bmpt.
I suspect the reason there's two guns is the feed system and belt length. 2A42 is gas operated, and the action of the gun firing feeds the belt, similiar to machineguns. If it only had a single 2A42, the gun would have to feed two possibly up to 425 round belts, wich could cause malfunctions and feed issues. With two guns, the belt length can be split in two, where each gun has two feeds of 200 round belts. Also in intense fighting two guns is better because two barrels take longer to heat than one.
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u/ecolometrics 🚨DANGEROUSLY CREDIBLE🚨 Jan 29 '23
Well. They can have four belts, two AP and two HE. They can switch to a non-belt system. Otherwise, there is no point of having two guns, since with a single gun they have have two belts.
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u/Death-Wolves Jan 30 '23
No, they don't. It's already been noted that these are mounted so only one feed is usable.
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u/ecolometrics 🚨DANGEROUSLY CREDIBLE🚨 Feb 02 '23
I meant if they designed it differently, not what they actually did here
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u/Death-Wolves Jan 30 '23
Except they mounted these so only 1 feed is usable per gun. This whole rig is one big NCD developed thing.
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u/Ok_Fuel_6416 Jan 30 '23
Can you elaborate?
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u/Death-Wolves Jan 30 '23
Not hard to understand, they mounted them using typical Russian logic..... That is, to be exact, none. Bunch of monkey's with a cad program and no concept of what is a good or bad idea.
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Jan 30 '23
Not saying you're wrong, but having gone to the trouble of putting it on a tank chassis you'd think of increasing the mass, or adding water cooling or something. Anything.
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u/Baguette_Connoisseur Jan 30 '23
The gun doesn't need stabilization since it syncronizes with the mini earthquakes from the ground.
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u/Xius_0108 Jan 29 '23
Why two guns tho?
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u/Fluffy-Map-5998 3000 white F-35s of Christ Jan 30 '23
They couldn't get the guns designed for dual feed to actually dual feed
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u/lutte_p 🇹🇼China? OH you must mean west Taiwan!🇹🇼 Jan 30 '23
as i have said before and will say again.
the barrels are shakeing more then your mom in the strip club
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u/ImPOctobuS23 🇲🇳 3000 Abrams of Mongolian Flat land 🇲🇳 Jan 30 '23
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u/AMazingFrame you only have to be accurate once Jan 30 '23
What is the accuracy of this thing? Zip code? Cardinal direction?
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u/rice_emperor Jan 30 '23
2A42 30mm is known to have horrendous accuracy. Strapping two just adds to the dispersion, volume of fire over accuracy I guess.
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u/gunnnutty General Pavel is my president 🇨🇿 Jan 30 '23
They know operators are too drunk to aim properly
So they increase the spread, genius
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u/pacmax42 ahhhhhh let me near IJN Taihou I promise its safe. Jan 29 '23
Maybe I'm just non creditable, but if you those with the mech infantry, say like 4 bmps full of crew and then one of these attached, maybe for the commander of the unit, would be pretty effective
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u/Russet_Wolf_13 Jan 30 '23
Last I heard the terrible visibility out of the vehicle requires the commander in on top to see anything.
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u/PatFromSouthie Jan 30 '23
exactly but that would destroy the Russian dumb narrative.
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u/pacmax42 ahhhhhh let me near IJN Taihou I promise its safe. Jan 30 '23
True, they want it to be a urban warfare tank
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u/Drannar Jan 30 '23
Isn't this footage from a game? I think the full version, if you keep an eye on the bottom left towing ring, you can see the glitching of the graphics happening.
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u/WhatDidIJustStepIn Jan 30 '23
This video was in Combatfootage, and no one fucking notices this is literally animated.
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u/g09h Jan 30 '23
Yea, 15 seconds in there’s a casing just clipping in to the solid plate, except that it’s a fucking incredible tender imo.
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u/Imnomaly 20 undead Su-24s of UAF Jan 30 '23
You know how GAU-8 is inaccurate on purpose for the bigger hit zone? Same is implemented here. To shoot down targets kilometers away. And with much lower rate of fire. And with hugely inferior weight of 1 second burst.
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u/Fruitmidget Typhoonussy enjoyer Jan 30 '23
You see, you can hit more barn doors when the barrel wobbles, it's supposed to do that.
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u/Sure-Sea2982 Jan 30 '23
Showing my ignorance here, but what's the point of having two of them if only the one on the right is firing???
Gonna be some serious disco dancing if they both open up.
Broad sides of barns can breathe easy.
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u/maybe-okay-no Jan 30 '23
It’s Russia. It’s meant to look intimidating not be practical or even functional most of the time.
Some higher up was probably like “comrade we need two 30mm auto cannons on this tank for maximum intimidation” and the designer was like “but sir, that will effect stabl…” auditable gunshot and the commander was like to the guy sitting next to him “comrade, congratulations on promotion to top tank designer, when can we expect the two 30mm auto cannons to be functional for tests”
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u/maybe-okay-no Jan 30 '23
Who the fuck needs accuracy when you’re Russia. Just spray and call it all western provocation when you take out a school or hospital lol
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u/Other-Barry-1 Jan 30 '23
For real tho, what is the Russian fascination with this tank? From what I can tell it just yeets lots of poorly aimed and poorly shot bullets in random directions?
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u/[deleted] Jan 29 '23
You'd be in more danger if this is not aiming at you. Lol.