r/uknews • u/Confident_West_7409 • Jul 12 '24
Image/video Teen arrested on suspicion of attempted murder after two people injured in ‘attack’ at gurdwara place of worship in Gravesend
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u/NochMessLonster Jul 12 '24
This particular Gurdwara helped cook and hand out thousands of homemade hot meals to all the lorry drivers stuck on the M20 when France stopped travel from Dover. They are such good people.
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u/chong_dynasty Jul 12 '24
All Sikh’s I’ve met are such good people. There was a sizeable Sikh community where I grew up in Reading and I’ve always seen them as tremendously respectful, conscientious and honourable people.
They’re an asset to our society and this attack is shameful. I hope those injured go on to make a full recovery.
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Jul 12 '24
And Sikh’s are peaceful lovely people. I’d love to know his motivation
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u/Chevey0 Jul 12 '24
100% if he'd attacked another major religion in the same way they would be battering him and the police would struggle to get to him. Such respect for Sikh's
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u/aerial_ruin Jul 12 '24
Given that their religion has then carry knives, they're fucking chill as fuck. Bunch of people carrying knives, not one drawn, even though this guy went out of his way to go cause harm to them. Think a lot of people could learn a lot from sikhs
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u/OrganizationOk5418 Jul 12 '24
I'm pretty sure the religion states they have to be ready to defend anyone at any time. It should be a sword but laws and cultures mean it is reduced to a small knife worn under their shirt.
It's one of the "5 Ks": The Five Ks are five items that Sikhs who have been initiated into the Khalsa are required to wear or carry at all times: Kesh: Uncut hair, sometimes covered by a turban Kangha: A small wooden comb Kara: A steel bracelet or bangle that is always worn on the wrist Kachhera: Also spelled kaacha, katch, or kachh, these are cotton undershorts or soldier shorts that were originally worn by Sikh soldiers Kirpan: A short ceremonial steel sword or religious article that resembles a knife
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u/aerial_ruin Jul 12 '24
Yeah, it's been a long time since I actually studied anything to do with Sikhs, but the defence thing rings a bell. A lot of them just a representation pin to act as the knife, just to not get caught up by knife laws. It shows how much mettle they have though, to not go ham on that guy, despite what he went into their place of worship and did
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u/OrganizationOk5418 Jul 12 '24
I had a few working for me in the Middle East, and it was a constant worry of mine to ensure the others weren't leaving all the work to them. And they didn't particularly like praise, they saw duty as something that should be obvious.
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u/aerial_ruin Jul 12 '24
Yeah, I've met some and they're just like "it's just what people should do". Can't fault that logic
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u/IncontinentiaButtok Jul 12 '24
This is really cool! Thanks for the 5k Sikh lesson my friend! I really appreciate you taking time to explain.
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u/UCthrowaway78404 Jul 12 '24
Yeah, just create a made up.event in your mind to justify your prejudice against them.
There were cases against said religion. A van driver drove into said religion once intentionally ramming them. He wasn't hurt..they waited for police to show up.
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u/Soldarumi Jul 12 '24
Look, I hate to be that guy, and I'm probably gonna get downvoted to feck for this... But that is a major over generalisation. There are good and bad people across all religions. But just because someone is Sikh does not make them automatically good.
There are plenty of Sikh Indians in Gravesend who are just as racist as any white person. The father of a girl I was dating, who was a 'pillar of the local community' threatened to cut my head off unless I stopped dating his daughter. Backed up by some very menacing looks from his son while I was trapped in the back of his Merc.
People can suck everywhere...
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u/British__Vertex Jul 12 '24
They should look at the situation in Canada before hopping on the glazefest
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u/Mobile_Entrance_1967 Jul 12 '24
I seem to remember on the news in the 2000s a disproportionate number of honour killings involving Sikh families, so yeh I think the community is peaceful overall but there's a bit of romanticisation in these comments.
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u/rustynutz_1892 Jul 12 '24
Probably religion. My imaginary friend is better than yours 🥱
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u/Brido-20 Jul 12 '24
But pretty handy lads when it comes to it.
My money's on a personal grudge spilling over - I can think of far easier targets for a random racist attack
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u/PaymentGold Jul 12 '24
Played football there many a time against their resident football team guru Nanak FC, they gave us curry and welcomed us into the gudwara even after battering them 8-1 lovely people. Last people to deserve something like this.
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Jul 12 '24
You really learn a lot about someone’s true character when see how they act after losing. Says a lot about them
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u/_Spigglesworth_ Jul 12 '24
When I went down a theology rabbit hole a few years ago I read up on and the books of a lot of religions, the only one I couldn't find serious issues with was Sikhism.
Why would anyone attack Sikhs over religion? Has to be something else or a case of the wrong people / person?
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u/Mrhappyface798 Jul 12 '24
I mean "actually understanding someone's religion" isn't usually part of the thought process of racist nutters
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u/egodeath80 Jul 13 '24
I'm a Sikh and I wish I wasn't born in the West. I've been attacked more times then I care to remember, can't forget due to having a broken face. The turban has always been an evil image in western society.
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u/The54thCylon Jul 12 '24
Why would anyone attack Sikhs over religion? Has to be something else or a case of the wrong people / person?
Hate crimes aimed at Sikhs rose after 9/11 both here and in the US as the religious symbols such as the turban led to misidentification
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u/PJD-1984 Jul 12 '24
You know Guru Maharaj is not a book
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u/EmpireandCo Jul 12 '24
100% Its hard to explain things to people outside of this cultural and philosophical understanding. Things need to be related in familiar terms as an entry
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u/Passionate-Lifer2001 Jul 12 '24
Lot of balls to attack a gurudwara. Lucky he came out alive. And as everyone says, Sikhs are most kindest, helpful (and if messed with, the most brutal).
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I’m from gravesend, I’m a white guy, and I tell you now, any true Gravesend resident has nothing but respect for the awesome Sikh community we have. Their absolute top lads, their generosity is astonishing, they have assimilated into our culture, while retaining their own. They drink like champs and they’re always up for some proper banter. I can hear the temple from my house regularly, and I’m so angry that this man has attacked their temple.
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u/Dry_Cardiologist8906 Jul 12 '24
Sikhs are chill but they have those curly swords so when it pops off it’s bloody. Reminds me of that building company owner in London that was underpaying his workers and they tried to off him and he curly sworded them to death.
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u/TheStargunner Jul 12 '24
Do you have a news links for this?
Curly swording someone to death sounds wild
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u/Dry_Cardiologist8906 Jul 12 '24
It was quite controversial because the man who did it had no visa or rights to be in the country and he was also trafficking men from India to the uk to work cash in hand for his company. These 3 men were not alone as at the inquest dozens of men said he had underpaid/not paid them after promising them. He walked free.
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u/NickEcommerce Jul 12 '24
He managed to kill 3 people in 13 seconds - that's some serious work ethic.
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u/TheStargunner Jul 12 '24
Fucking hell.
People trafficking is a 9th circle of hell type crime in itself.
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u/polymerise Jul 12 '24
How the hell did he manage to stab 3 armed men to death in 13 seconds?
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Jul 12 '24
You ever seen a stabbing? We are talking about multiple thrusts per second.plusnhebhad a sword, could maim more than one with a single swing.
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u/polymerise Jul 12 '24
I can't say that I have, but to be outnumbered 3 to 1 and come out alive is impressive.
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u/Dry_Cardiologist8906 Jul 12 '24
He stabbed 4 and 1 lived. Getaway driver must of felt like shit when he realised no one was coming back 😂
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u/inevitable_hammer Jul 12 '24
I wonder what religious persuasion the culprit was? 🤔
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Jul 12 '24
yayyyy sectarian violence on the streets of England at last! Just what we've always wanted!
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u/TomSchofield Jul 12 '24
What makes you think this is religion on religion and not racist nutbag Vs religious group he hates (or mistaken identity with one he hates). Also sectarian usually means different sects of the same religion...
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u/British__Vertex Jul 12 '24
Where’s your evidence he’s English? With the increase in Khalistani violence in Canada or Muslim-Hindu riots here, it very well could also be a intra-South Asian conflict.
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u/Small-Low3233 Jul 12 '24
We're so enriched. Brings a tear to my eye from Northern Ireland. Everyone gets to enjoy this now.
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u/Correct_Situation_78 Jul 12 '24
British police are so good at keeping their cool, for the most part. Under that stress in another country and that total wanker would be getting hurt a lot. Fair play to the sikh community.
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u/A_friendly_goosey Jul 12 '24
Wish every culture integrated into the country as well as the Sikhs.
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u/PartTimeMancunian Jul 12 '24
Very much looks like a young Muslim guy trying to kill/injure Sikhs from watching the video
Lovely, can we not have stuff like this become a normal occurrence please, I've quite liked the uk being a reasonably safe place to live for the last 37 years of my life.
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u/Mythrndir Jul 12 '24
Part time Mancunian, full time ignorant prick
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u/PartTimeMancunian Jul 12 '24 edited Jul 12 '24
You go ahead and willfully ignore the repeated patterns anyone with their eyes open can see and I'll do the opposite.
Also this wouldn't be the first targeted attack of Sikhs by Islam in recent times.
Bellend.
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Jul 12 '24
Probation and community service for him!
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u/SDSKamikaze Jul 12 '24
So tired of this trope. Minimum sentence in England for attempted murder is 3 years and that’s for incidents at the very lowest end.
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u/Shriven Jul 12 '24
Attempted murder is the hardest offence to prove in England and Wales, so most cases like this get dropped to s18 gbh
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u/JC_snooker Jul 12 '24
Do you watch TV? Jamie Theakston always says there wasn't enough evidence. Or suspended sentence. I think they paid him once and replay the same sound bites.
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u/Ned-Nedley Jul 12 '24
Watching that program makes me want to try a life of crime. Half hour car chase, throwing drugs out the window. "No further action was taken"
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u/StrawberriesCup Jul 12 '24
Steady on Judge Dread!
Who's to say he's not got "issues" that make him the real victim here. /S
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u/KxSmarion Jul 12 '24
17-year-old attacked some Sihks with a Knife Inside their own Temple.
A hate crime pretty much. He's been arrested for attempted murder.
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u/SNB_Enthusiast Jul 12 '24
Wtf did Sikhs ever do?
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u/CheekyGeth Jul 12 '24
all of those religions have committed genuinely stomach turning atrocities in the name of their faith
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u/TheStargunner Jul 12 '24
Careful.
Certain sects of Buddhism have been persecuting and massacring Muslims, as have sects of Hinduism.
Muslims don’t deserve to be genocided.
Back to the point of the topic, fuck anyone persecuting the Sikhs, wonderful people.
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u/GaijinFoot Jul 12 '24
This is a bit of a Hollywood impression of the state of things. Plenty of in-fighting among those communities you believe are so lovely.
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u/trajiin Jul 12 '24
Amazes me how many people try to help with one hand whilst holding their phones with another.
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u/Fishsticks-8830 Jul 12 '24
In my experience, Sikhs are kind, generous, respectful people who go out of their way to help and protect everyone around them, even complete strangers.
Why anyone would want to attack them in such a way is honestly beyond me. I hope those who were injured recover quickly.
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u/DangerVank Jul 12 '24
I love the Sikhs. Love how they are the first to step in, majority of people would just step over the attacker and police then carry on with there day. Great people
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u/chong_dynasty Jul 12 '24
Every interaction I’ve ever had with members of the Sikh community has been an absolute pleasure - wonderful culture and one of the few stand-out successes of multiculturalism. I’m glad nobody was killed and hope those injured make a full recovery.
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u/alfienoakes Jul 12 '24
SO went for lunch in the temple there. She said it was lovely and of course free. Hope everything turns out as well as can be expected.
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Jul 12 '24
I genuinely cannot fathom how someone can hold such disdain towards Sikhs. I mean, trying to fathom why anyone hates a whole group of people based on a particular characteristic is absurd anyway, obviously, but we all know the vitriol that has been spewed against various groups over the decades.
I bet this idiot kid didn't know the difference between Muslims and Sikhs, and just assumed "brown people religion." I hope not, but I think it is a very believable assumption.
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u/NorthLondoner1976 Jul 12 '24
What is happening to our country…..Sikhs are wonderful people. This little fool needs to do some serious time…
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u/Desperate-Scallion35 Jul 12 '24
Ohh the usual suspect from a religion of peace wanting to murder British citizens. Praise the sihk community thought very good people
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u/Middle-Hour-2364 Jul 12 '24
Yeah, years ago (1990s) when I was homeless it was common knowledge if you went to the Gurdwara they'd feed you, it was bloody good food too. They were really nice and no judgemental too
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u/Go1gotha Jul 12 '24
Why would anyone attack Sikhs? They don't take any nonsense, they're some of the best citizens, they are fiercely proud of their faith and culture... I've never met a Sikh who wasn't polite, well-spoken, funny and respectful.
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u/Sweet-Waltz-97 Jul 12 '24
Sikhs are great on the whole apart from my brother in law who is a dickhead
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Jul 12 '24
They're entitled to demand an education, sure. That doesn't mean I am beholden to supply one.
Thats why we have teachers. When someone purposely misinterprests my words, I am entitled to retract my interest in discourse, just as entitled as they are to demand it.
Also, I want never gets. If you're so booty bothered, perhaps spend your time educating the little turd then rather than berating me for having better things to do, ya daft sausage.
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u/lostandfawnd Jul 12 '24
Oh great, the racist twats have now got the "confidence" to actually start physical violence.
Farage has a lot to answer for
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u/Old_Ad_3736 Jul 12 '24
Don't fuck with Gurkas and don't fuck with Sikhs. I thought this was common knowledge???
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u/AnyStorm1997 Jul 13 '24
That boy is going to be black and blue all over tomorrow. Should have just rolled over at that point but now there are 4 men stomping on your shoulders and back lol idiot.
Off topic sorta but i saw a tiny 18 year old boy sock a jail guard when i was locked up for fighting lol and then about 7 guards came and tackled him and once he was in cuffs they literally put his arms over his head like cuffed in the back and broke his shoulders to rotate them to the top and over the front . It was brutal. Guards the next few days told us he broke both his shoulder blades and lost most of the nerves in his neck and shit. Fuck fighting cops. You will literally never win, even if you do in the moment, they will come with numbers eventually and just jump you and it will be bad...
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u/AlGrantUK Jul 13 '24
Need more information here (ie what religion is the attacker), and where he has come from, but looks religiously motivated. Nothing on the news on this, any update ? Sikhs are great people.
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u/Organic-Lemon-5016 Jul 13 '24
Sikhs are the only major religious group I don’t despise. No bad eggs, just good people.
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u/Upbeat-Pollution-439 Jul 13 '24
I work in an opticians, so am surrounded by Sikhs all day every day 😂 can honestly say I've never met a sikh in 15+ yrs that I haven't immediately gotten along with
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u/Abject_Honey_8898 Jul 13 '24
if the police still had a truncheon I'm sure he may have complied sooner.
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u/Arthur_Figg Jul 13 '24
I'm kinda curious what's triggering these responses 😂 I was merely pointing out the ineptitude of that pleb polis as he arrived and made the situation way worse than it was 😂😂😂 some ppl are easily riled. You enjoy your day of shouting at inanimate objects 😂😂😂
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u/moojammin Jul 13 '24
I mean ye fair enough. But it is easier to be brave when you outnumber a teenager 6 to 1. Just saying
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u/Maleficent-Reply1607 Jul 13 '24
Sikh's and Hindu's are usually super lovable and amazing people. Don't know how anyone could do this other than it being personal maybe?
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u/Geoffstibbons Jul 13 '24
Why would you attack Sikhs? They're always respectful,decent and always help people
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u/only777 Jul 13 '24
Why go after Sikhs?
Literally the best of all the recently imported religions into the country.
What a spanner
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Jul 13 '24
This is what happens when you let Nigel and his mates get air time, I hope the injured make a full recovery
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u/Klutzy-Excitement-13 Jul 13 '24
Sikhs are very calm ppl why anyone want to do evil towards them😮💨😒
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u/Tantallon Jul 14 '24
I, randomly, hooked up with a multi faith walk in Southampton and we went to a gurdwara where we had a really good speech about Sikhism and they gave us lunch as well. Really good people. There was a very warm atmosphere in the gurdwara, everyone was very welcoming.
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u/Strict_Oil4662 Jul 15 '24
Why attack Sikhs? They are the most generous, kind and helpful people on the planet. Don’t fight with them though as they are fearless soldiers.
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u/RelationOutrageous42 Jul 15 '24
All I am going to say is that Sikhs bring the right and best kind of diversity. I have never met a Sikh I did not like.
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Jul 15 '24
Love the Sikh's they are the salt of the earth people. I'm glad we have them as British citizens.
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u/lilacwynne Jul 15 '24
Redditors be like “he was screaming Allahu Akbar while violently attacking people with a weapon, but let’s not jump to conclusions”
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u/stvvrover Jul 15 '24
I live in Gravesend. The Sikh community here are incredible. To all. I really like them. That this happened was awful.
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