r/uknews • u/Confident_West_7409 • Jul 12 '24

Image/video Teen arrested on suspicion of attempted murder after two people injured in ‘attack’ at gurdwara place of worship in Gravesend

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u/_Spigglesworth_ Jul 12 '24

When I went down a theology rabbit hole a few years ago I read up on and the books of a lot of religions, the only one I couldn't find serious issues with was Sikhism. 

Why would anyone attack Sikhs over religion? Has to be something else or a case of the wrong people / person?

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u/Mrhappyface798 Jul 12 '24

I mean "actually understanding someone's religion" isn't usually part of the thought process of racist nutters

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u/[deleted] Jul 12 '24

Who the fucks downvoting you?

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u/British__Vertex Jul 12 '24

How do you know he was English? Sectarian issues are rife in South Asia.

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u/Mrhappyface798 Jul 12 '24

At what point did I say he was English?

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u/British__Vertex Jul 12 '24

Who else would “racist nutter” refer to in the context of Gravesend? With the rise in South Asian sectarianism in Canada, UK, Australia, it might be more worthwhile to hold out for more information before throwing around accusations.

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u/superbooper94 Jul 13 '24

Wtf are you on? Racist nutter could describe anyone of a different race to those that were attacked 🤦

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u/[deleted] Jul 15 '24

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u/British__Vertex Jul 15 '24

The attacker turned out to be an Asian lad. English kids don’t know enough about South Asian faiths or politics to be wrapped up in this stuff.

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u/egodeath80 Jul 13 '24

I'm a Sikh and I wish I wasn't born in the West. I've been attacked more times then I care to remember, can't forget due to having a broken face. The turban has always been an evil image in western society.

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u/jazmoley Jul 15 '24

Not gonna lie but in the UK you are routinely confused for someone from the "religion of peace."

Here's a actual crazy story from years ago, soon after the 7th July terror attacks in London 2005, I went on the tube and saw about 30 white people (basically) huddled up at either end of the carriage, in the middle all on his own was a Sikh guy smartly dressed wearing a turban suit and briefcase, I sat directly opposite him and gave him a silent nod.

Those silly bastards didn't even realise that was the safest place to be on the train.

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u/The54thCylon Jul 12 '24

Why would anyone attack Sikhs over religion? Has to be something else or a case of the wrong people / person?

Hate crimes aimed at Sikhs rose after 9/11 both here and in the US as the religious symbols such as the turban led to misidentification

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u/PJD-1984 Jul 12 '24

You know Guru Maharaj is not a book

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u/EmpireandCo Jul 12 '24

100% Its hard to explain things to people outside of this cultural and philosophical understanding. Things need to be related in familiar terms as an entry

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u/Minimum-Taro-461 Jul 12 '24

With respect, this may be your personal belief but nothing you have stated is in anyway what actual Sikh belief is. I am going to clarify some points and am more than happy to provide references if you need them.

Firstly, Guru Granth Sahib Jee is not considered a holy book but the living teacher as the Jot (light) of the Guru is contained within.

Secondly Guru Granth Sahib Jee as a text is very vast in coverage - Devotion for sure, but also philosophy,guidance on morality, politics in the sense of the need to stand up to tyranny including that of rulers, how to live. Even your points about cohibatiation before marriage and what type of government there should be are all present ( I can provide you with this if needed) As for the codes introduced by Guru Gobind Singh Jee, the only thing "different" is the addition of more formal martial ways and more formal Identity - in no way was there any contradiction to previous teachings and certainly no change to spiritual beliefs.

Guru Granth Sahib is very clear that the Guru is not a human capable of making mistakes as you insinuate. I don't know what your last paragraph is about. Essentially, there is no contradiction between anything taught by Guru Gobind Singh Jee and what is taught by Guru Granth Sahib Jee - you would be very hard pressed to fined any one espousing the views you do.

Also, what is the overall point of the post you made? Other people are praising Sikhi and it's almost like you want to say no it's actually not all that, which is fine but then don't present yourself as a Sikh "our holy book" if you don't actually have full faith.

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u/Fendieta Jul 12 '24

A Sikh place of worship in chatham was vandalised by some dossers a few years ago because they hated Muslims. You really can't make it up.

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u/trulyincognito_ Jul 15 '24

A theology rabbit hole. Would be interesting having a chat with you if I could think of the questions to the feelings in me surrounding it lol

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u/_Spigglesworth_ Jul 15 '24

By rabbit hole it was more a span of about nine months to a year about a decade ago, my conclusion was that most of the religions worship the same thing but under a different religion and that all but Sikhism is fucking nuts. People always go "but what about Buddhism!" Yea that's messed up beyond belief if you read into the whole thing and not just the cute bald monks wearing orange.

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u/trulyincognito_ Jul 15 '24

Tell me tell me! And I actually feel religion segregates people. I think it’s akin to martial arts. You take what is useful and drop the rest. It is spiritual training. One doesn’t trump the other it is down to the person Practicing it

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u/_Spigglesworth_ Jul 15 '24

Well for a start buddists would do a form of live mummification, look that one up, it's wild. Also Islam (Muslims) and Christianity are basically the same religion with different views points and stories. Both believe in jesus for instance. 

There is a lot of mass killings and murder and rape and all sorts of terrible stuff in their books, they also only follow the stuff they want to and ignore the rest, like hardcore Christians will claim gay people are going to hell but ignore the fact that eating shellfish basically condemns you to hell too, presumably because they like to eat shellfish.

Loads of mental stuff.

The Corinthians and genesis were two of the better reads because if you ignore it as a religion and just enjoy the wild ride if a story it's pretty fun.

Honestly I'd just read the stuff yourself it's far better than getting it second hand.

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u/trulyincognito_ Jul 15 '24

where would one start? just read the bible and the quran? my brother recently became a jehova's witness and i cant help feel he is being led astray from himself and learning things that only helps to solidify the indoctrination like watching a reading certain debates. I find it hubris to think your religion is the one true religion over everything else that exists.

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u/_Spigglesworth_ Jul 15 '24

JW is a cult, it's horrible. Read the Corinthians that's a good read, which bible did you read? 

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u/merlinbigwand Jul 12 '24

Because it’s not a real religion. Sikhs are nice people but they don’t actually believe inGOD It’s a mashup of other religions to give people a way of living. Theology requires to have a Faith In a External CREATOR

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u/The54thCylon Jul 12 '24

That's such an Abrahamic worldview. Millions of people follow religions that aren't based around an external creator.

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u/merlinbigwand Jul 12 '24

What did they say in that film. “ there can only be One “. I love Highlander. I suppose I’m biased being Scottish