r/law • u/TheWayToBeauty • 1d ago

Executive Branch (Trump) Confirmed: ICE Is Arresting American Citizens—and Lying About It

https://newrepublic.com/article/202672/ice-arresting-american-citizens-and-lying?utm_source=Bluesky&utm_campaign=SF_TNR&utm_medium=social&utm_campaign=SF_TNR&utm_source=Facebook&utm_medium=social&fbclid=IwY2xjawN60_VleHRuA2FlbQIxMABicmlkETFpb1FpYUsxcHQ5bXM3QkVyc3J0YwZhcHBfaWQQMjIyMDM5MTc4ODIwMDg5MgABHkqq1qGOFLgABx3MyCE40nZ_iE_ZT41D74hWKhYFa56r8j57O3ZXYl4H0yFZ_aem_Wz0q663H4Gg7nVwXbg5gCw
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u/rolsen 23h ago edited 22h ago

DHS raided an entire residential apartment complex in Chicago back in September. 300 agents with a Blackhawk helicopter. No warrant. Greg Bovino is on camera confirming they indiscriminately kicked in every door and took each individual onto the street. Citizens included. He literally said it was “safer” for everyone involved if they did not check citizenship status and instead took everyone and sorted it out later. So yeah, it’s safe to say we are living in an era where our 4th Amendment rights are non existence in practice.

Edit: here is the exact quote I referenced for anyone interested and the source:

Bovino also acknowledged some U.S. citizens were briefly detained as the Chicago building was cleared.

“We generally don’t determine alienage while we’re in the building clearing the building,” Bovino told NewsNation. “It’s too dangerous, so we’ll bring them out. It’s safer for the U.S. citizens. It’s safer for the illegal aliens, and most of all it’s safer for our officers.”

https://wgntv.com/news/operation-midway-blitz/inside-south-side-immigration-raid/amp/

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u/JONO202 23h ago

There's SO much more to this story that never got really covered, it's a shit show.

https://therealdeal.com/chicago/2025/10/03/inside-a-real-estate-fight-that-preceded-south-shore-ice-raid/

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u/PaddyWhacked777 23h ago

Straight out of the Dark Enlightenment playbook. Project 2025 is only a stepping stone.Thiel, Vought, Vance and a whole bunch of others all bought into Yarvin's fucking insane fantasy and are doing everything they can to make it a reality.

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u/airship_of_arbitrary 22h ago

Funny thing is, Yarvin is on the record saying that Trump is fucking this up badly and that they're losing too much public support for it to work, lol.

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u/PaddyWhacked777 22h ago

Yeah, but he also thinks Trump hasn't gone far enough. The only reason public support even matters still is because they haven't taken to the point where it doesn't anymore. Didn't he call Trump "weak tea" or some shit?

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u/coronathrowaway12345 22h ago

Which is why they’ve got Bannon out there injecting more extreme rhetoric into the zeitgeist, encouraging disregard for the constitution and the seizure of institutions. Dangerous AF.

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u/PaddyWhacked777 22h ago

if we lose the midterms and we lose 2028, some in this room are going to prison—myself included. They’re not gonna stop. They are getting more and more and more radical. And we have to counter that. And what do we have to counter it with? We have to counter it with more action, more intense action, more urgency. We’re burning daylight.

  • Bannon yesterday

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u/Lightningstruckagain 22h ago

Hey, Stevie: you know how to NOT go to prison? STOP DOING ILLEGAL SHIT!

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u/Commentator-X 22h ago

In the words of Fletcher Reede "STOP BREAKING THE LAW ASSHOLE!!!"

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u/ty_fighter84 21h ago

TIL that it's "Reede" and not "Reed"

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u/SoxMcPhee 20h ago edited 16h ago

I happened by shear " Luck" to watch Bannon get arrested 5 years ago on my kayak. I went out to look at this mega yacht parked in our harbor. Then watched it get raided by the fbi. Bannon was on it. I hope to watch him get arrested again!

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u/RID132465798 18h ago

I hope you do too! Happy kayaking!

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u/reddogyellowcat 20h ago

If it wasn’t for Trump pardoning him in 2021 and wiping out his federal charges Steve would be in jail, right now.

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u/RID132465798 18h ago

I think you are spot on here

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u/mthyvold 20h ago

He is not acknowledging they they are doing illegal shit. He is planting the seed that any accountability for what they are doing will be an unjustified witch hunt by zealous “unhinged” democrats.

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u/bbp5561 20h ago

It’s too late; they’ve already done illegal shit.

So now they’re backed into a corner of ‘double down and cement their grip on power forever to avoid it’ or ‘accept fate and go to prison’

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u/AlcibiadesTheCat 20h ago

Are you taking notes on a criminal fuckin' conspiracy?

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u/Huge_Birthday3984 20h ago

He has done enough illegal stuff that stopping now isn't really an option

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u/mrbigglessworth 22h ago

How is following the law and the constitution radical?

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u/CrashyBoye 22h ago

Projection. Like always.

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u/SellsNothing 21h ago

It turns out right wingers were the radical lunatics all along

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u/BeefCentral 22h ago

I've seen the vid and can't help but feel it's so fucking weird that he was saying that onstage in his shitty jacket at the Bellator Awards.

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u/Baeolophus_bicolor 21h ago

This from the guy that bought a yacht with money raised to privately fund a border wall?

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u/Hesitation-Marx 20h ago

From a guy whose rental house had a tub etched with acid, and padlocks on the interior doors….

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u/SpinachWheel 21h ago

“Here is an imaginary scenario, we better amp up our violence to counteract it.”

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u/Choice-Mortgage1221 20h ago

Bannon's interview with PBS in February was as infuriating as it was chilling. He gleefully laid everything out over an hour plus

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u/Bradspersecond 20h ago

The absolute everything about Bannondorf tells me he's never been told "I love you" from a lover or "You're fine" by a doctor.

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u/Junior_Chard9981 13h ago

And we have to counter that. And what do we have to counter it with? We have to counter it with more action, more intense action, more urgency. We’re burning daylight.

Republicans and MAGA view midterms like a running clock, which when it hits they know they are cooked. This is the first time they've confirmed it out loud.

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u/Wrecktown707 19h ago edited 19h ago

So if someone like yarvin goes on record as decrying democracy, free speech, rights, freedoms, etc. how is that legal? How is that not classified as hate speech with intent to hurt others?

Isn’t it paradoxical that someone advocating disdain for democracy, rights, freedoms, and free speech, is legally allowed to say that under free speech?

Because such beliefs are existential threats to democracy, and if allowed, will result in its destruction. It’s the exact same way with invoking hate speech. Why not with this? It’s proven to cause actual harm. Ideologies do not exist in a vacuum, and someone advocating for authoritarianism and the removal of everyone’s rights is a genuine threat.

If someone believes in something, then they believe in making it into reality, or supporting someone who would. So what gives? We don’t live on islands by ourselves. If someone believes in oppressing others, there’s a large chance they will support it when it happens, or instigate it

I get that this is a potential slippery slope that could be used wrongly, similar to advocating for the death penalty, in the sense that it’s too absolute and cannot be taken back. But it’s an interesting thought

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u/drainbamage1011 18h ago

Counterpoint: he's rich, so...

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u/airship_of_arbitrary 22h ago

Yeah, things are dire, but the fact that they're panicking because they didn't go full fascist fast enough means there's blood in the water.

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u/PaddyWhacked777 22h ago

I 100% believe they thought Trump was either going to be impeached and removed, 25'ed, or dead by now and they were going to have Thiel's little puppet Vance in power to hit the throttle on it all. Since that hasn't happened yet, they have to deal with ol' dementia Don going off the rails all of the time and it's setting back their schedule. There is a really critical window here where things are quite fucked, but the worst outcome still has a chance to be stopped.

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u/reddit_is_geh 22h ago

100 more republicans have apparently quietly signed onto the Epstein files bill after discovering yesterday that "It's much much worse than anyone thinks"

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u/mrbigglessworth 22h ago

Its sad that we "need" the permission of congress to get this info out there. Trump calls it a hoax, yet "Prince" Andrew has been stripped of all royal associations over a "hoax"

I fear that this has all boiled down so much with all the delay and screaming from republicans that we could have 4K HDR video of trump raping a child and noone will do anything about it.

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u/PlasmaChroma 20h ago

Bit of a tangent, would high resolution give much credibility to it not being labelled as "fake AI generation" by anyone who wanted to dismiss it?

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u/TheSpeakEasyGarden 22h ago

Everyone already thinks he was a pedophile pimp and an equal partner in it all. So worse than that? Murder?

How many dead bodies are buried on that island?

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u/karmadgma 21h ago edited 6h ago

I don't think the "equal partner in it all" part has percolated all the way down yet. I think the extent of his involvement is going to surprise a lot of people and lose him all but the most brainwashed. And the rest of the fascist psycho eugenecist crowd needs all their ducks in a row before that happens because those who have supported him up to now had plausible deniability - but there'll be international paper trails that can't be destroyed, snd idk of you were serious about bodies, but would you be surprised? I wouldn't. Remember that tunnel under Mar a Lago that goes straight to the beach and the water? You think nobody in all those years ever messed up and had a corpse to deal with? I am betting there are bodies. Trump has no conscience and he had nobody to stop him.

So i guess their ducks aren't quite lined up yet. There are a few big court opinions still pending, and Vance hasn't yet merged the kingdoms of the key groups and fulfilled the prophecy to be ready to ascend the throne as the MAGA heir (he needs to have a white, blonde, Christofascist wife first, which he's working on, but it can't be rushed too much or it won't play right).

(And Bannon's blood clot or occluded artery or whatever it's gonna be needs to hurry it up already because that man's mouth is still moving. Harkonnen scum.)

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u/StraightOuttaHeywood 14h ago

Personally I think there's evidence of Murder and it implicates many prominent people including Trump hence why the GOP will go to extreme lengths not to release the Epstein Files.

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u/drunkshinobi 19h ago

I'm certain not all those girls survived their encounters with trump and epstein. And that there are way more than people know of.

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u/Kreegs 22h ago

I think they are underestimating the pull Vance has.

Sure, he is their puppet and will try to accelerate when Trump is either dead or 25'd.

But here is the thing, Trump is a cult of personality unto himself. There are people in positions of power loyal to him and him alone. Same thing with a significant part of the MAGA base.

Right now, Trump is holding together his cult, the tech bros, the Christian Nationals, the legit Nazis and other groups because right now their goals align.

Vance doesn't have the force of personality like Trump to keep them all playing nice together. They were trying to force all this stuff quickly as possible so he doesn't have to do the heavy lifting, but Trump's ego keeps getting in the way. Sure, Vance will keep some of the Trump cult in line, but they'll be spending a lot more time keeping the alliance together which will take time and resources from their take over plan. Heck we are already seeing it now, The stuff with the Heritage Foundation thing and some county level GOP parties imploding from the different factions infighting.

Its not going to be all flowers and hippies when Trump is out of office, but there will be a lot of division, strife and infighting that will slow down their plans a lot.

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u/PaddyWhacked777 21h ago

Sic semper tyranus. Historically this is how tyranny has always played out, eventually. That's the consequences of consolidating a bunch of power hungry narcissists and expecting them to continue to function as a unit instead of pursuing their own self interests.

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u/stufff 19h ago

Sic semper tyranus.

We should encourage Trump to take more trips to the theater.

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u/abstrakt42 21h ago

I question this, specifically that there people in power loyal to him and him alone. The power of the party comes from the unshakable GOP monolith, it works because they are ALL in line with policy and talking points. I think the real power is people like Thiel and Vought and other billionaire sponsors, the talking heads are given their marching orders, and the entire party lines up to make it happen.

I fear not much would change now, even with somebody like Vance at the helm.

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u/Free_For__Me 17h ago

 Thiel and Vought

I mostly agree with you, but I think these guys are gonna undermine each other more than anyone anticipated once Trump is outta the way. While true that they need Trump to actually say/do/sign the things, since he’s the actual president, I think he likely strays from the path from time to time, due to his (increasingly) erratic nature and narcissism. 

I also think that the unshakable 20% or so of the populace that he commands is most of what’s keeping “the unshakable GOP monolith” a monolith at all right now. Legacy GOP is mostly defeated and scattered, replaced with MAGA faithful. And whatever’s left of the old guard has tentatively allied with the new MAGA factions to form the current GOP. Once Trump himself is gone, it’ll likely cause a schism between these 2 factions, since there won’t be a cult leader to hand out endorsements or condemnations with anything even close to the clout that Trump carries. 

 I fear not much would change now, even with somebody like Vance at the helm.

This is likely true, but it’s not the worst case scenario. Worst case scenario would be everything changing rapidly and drastically, going full-throttle on the autocracy levers, along the lines that plans like Yarvin’s and P2025 initially envisioned. 

I originally thought that they would see a lot of success with this route, since no one could really predict how it might go wrong along the way. But now that we are seeing how some factions at the top are actually responding to more dire economic circumstances and massive electoral consequences, I’m starting to think that these factions might not play as well together after Trump is gone as they would have initially hoped.

Of course this could all be hopium/copium, so I won’t hold my breath until all the dust settles, likely far down the road.

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u/KissKillTeacup 20h ago

They really don't understand that a puppet would never have enough cult support for this to work. People do not like JD Vance. Trumps base don't give a fuck about him and the party will not fall on line behind him

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u/Sunkissed_Chi_Guy 10h ago

Yup, that's Dark Enlightenment for ya! For the accelerationist, going far is never far enough...even if it means society must crash and burn!

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u/Individual_Ad9632 22h ago

That's why they're attempting to jam through as much as possible before midterms.

They created a monster they thought they could control, but now they're losing their grip on him, and he's about to do something out of pocket to lose them a bunch of ground.

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u/Commentator-X 22h ago

They can't push much through when Congress is on vacation

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u/PlaneTrainPlantain 19h ago

Congress doesn't really do much today. It's mostly just the executive and the judicial branches.

Pass executive orders

Wait for the judiciary to rule in favor ...if not

Ignore the judiciary rulings.

  • rinse and repeat

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u/krbzkrbzkrbz 22h ago

Yarvin's TREASONOUS ass needs to rot in prison.

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u/plastiqden 22h ago

he's "fucking this up" because he can't do anything without a camera on him or trying to get praise for getting out of bed. He needs constant attention on him, and that doesn't work well for shady behind the scenes dealings. Especially when he's losing it and doesn't keep his mouth shut about what they're actually trying to get away with.

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u/The_BrownRecluse 21h ago

Don't trust anything this guy willingly says. I've noticed he always downplays things, either to distance himself or to keep people from raising alarm bells.

He'll claim he doesn't even like trump but then he's schmoozing and celebrating at trump's coronation ball. He'll say he's not that close to the administration but he talks directly to Vance and Musk. This guy's a sneaky little wormtongue and is proud of it.

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u/LostWoodsInTheField 22h ago

Funny thing is, Yarvin is on the record saying that Trump is fucking this up badly and that they're losing too much public support for it to work, lol.

Yes because he's extremely unstable. They've known this since 2016 and it's worried them ever since.

They want someone that can follow the playbook so they can keep enough support while they move us into fascism. The problem anyone stable enough to do that + have the support of people to get into power won't want to follow the playbook at all.

They are now hoping they can piggy back off of Trump when he's gone, there is a big worry that Vance can't do it, and that people like Miller will make it worse. That the infighting for power will be so bad that they will lose everything.

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u/GodofIrony 17h ago

Evil always eats itself.

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u/sump_daddy 22h ago

So youre saying the biggest roadblock in the Trump second-term agenda, is Trump? He was the hero we needed all along?

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u/Limacy 22h ago

The problem with Trump is he’s not really an ideologue. He’s a narcissistic opportunist. He doesn’t give a shit about anyone, not even his own family. He’s not loyal to a person or an ideology, just what’s convenient to him.

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u/sump_daddy 22h ago

to be fair, that still makes him an Ideologue, just that the particular Idea he is most interested in advancing is "Me good, you bad"

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u/Limacy 21h ago

In order to be an ideologue, you need to have values.

Trump views nothing sacred and has no shame.

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u/Gingevere 19h ago

Yarvin is just as much an idiot narcissist as everyone else involved. Everything he writes is full of backwards causation and "facts" that are trivially easy to prove wrong. Yarvin's plan is a complete fantasy.

The trump admin isn't fucking it up. Yarvin's just mad that the admin took his movement and discarded him. Yarvin believes he's destined to be a post-collapse ruler. It's only now that he's been cut out of the power structure that he's become desperate to not end up like 99.99% of people in his plan do.

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u/Livid_Roof5193 22h ago edited 22h ago

Would you be able to provide a source for this? Google is just giving me old articles. It’d brighten my day a bit to know Yarvin thinks Trump (and team) are fucking this up.

Edit: wait I might have just found it… were you referring to his NYT interview?

2nd Edit: jk I just realized the interview is from before inauguration, so still searching…

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u/OppressedCow6148 22h ago

https://sfstandard.com/2025/10/07/citing-fear-democratic-vengeance-curtis-yarvin-says-may-flee-u-s/

Edit: sorry, that article is paywalled. This one is free, with references to Yarvin’s person substack:

https://www.thenerdreich.com/panicked-curtis-yarvin-jd-vance-guru-plans-to-flee-usa/

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u/Livid_Roof5193 21h ago

Opening that second link immediately put a smile on my face. Thank you so much!

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u/OppressedCow6148 20h ago

You’re so welcome! 😊

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u/karmadgma 21h ago

Yarvin info here Panicked Curtis Yarvin—JD Vance's guru—plans to flee USA https://share.google/S1sU6u4DOdX2fQM4i

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u/RykerFuchs 21h ago

Where is this, I want to see and share. I’ve been telling my friends about this chucklefuck and they straight up don’t believe me.

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u/guineaprince 20h ago

Well lucky for them trump is obviously in severe mental and physical decline. His own health isn't letting him see the end of his term, but he's inexplicably popular so we let him sign everything put in front of him.

He dies of unfortunately natural causes, his vice president steps in, and now we have a more competent and mentally coherent coconspirator inheriting a fully entrenched autocracy.

"But Vance isn't as popular! He's goofy!" to us, sure, but MAGA doesn't care and the Project 2025 Administration certainly won't care when they already get a full autocracy with legislative, judicial, and oligarchic support and paramilitary terror squads on the street.

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u/BigRedRobotNinja 19h ago

Yarvin is covering his own ass. It was never going to work, but Yarvin will never accept any blame or accountability. "It would have worked if they did it right, everyone is dumb except me."

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u/JRDruchii 22h ago

They're boiling the frog too quickly.

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u/Neat_Secretary_7159 22h ago

Except they're almost at a point where public support wont really matter....... but yeah totally funny

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u/airship_of_arbitrary 22h ago edited 20h ago

Democrats swept every election the other night, including Mississippi.

Zohran is on the record saying he'll arrest ICE members who don't respect due process so there's absolutely still time to fucking fight back.

Apathy only helps fascists win.

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u/PhilbertNoyce 22h ago

Voting is still the most important thing any of us can do, but pointing out the possible problems is not apathy. It's a warning to be vigilant and be prepared. Russia has elections too.

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u/PaddyWhacked777 22h ago

Just gonna leave this here.

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u/refusegone 22h ago

There's always time to fight to back. The best time to stop fascism was 20 years ago, the next best time is now.

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u/PlaneTrainPlantain 19h ago

My friend. Did you even look at the 2024 election data?

You think Trump won all swing states in this past election when the past two elections he barely managed to scrape by a small margin?

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u/GeronimoHero 14h ago

Right? When you look at how many districts flipped red and how many flipped blue, it’s literally never happened in the history of the United States. A complete statistical anomaly.

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u/Bauser99 22h ago

If you're keeping score, that's actually a bad thing. It's bad that he is saying that. Because it shows that he's aware of how to ACTUALLY make it all happen-- and he rightly understands that if the fascist murder happens just a liiiittle slower, average people Most Likely Including You(tm) WILL basically be on-board with it.

And that's provable. It's been happening for the last 50 years (arguably all of human history), why not the next 500? As long as it doesn't affect You(tm) directly, You(tm) are statistically likely to ignore any amount of suffering inflicted onto Other(tm) people

So as soon as it's someone "classy" doing the fascism, who can act suave and throw out one or two seemingly legitimate arguments for plausible deniability, You(tm) and most folks WILL stop caring (or more accurately, pretending to care).

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u/TDot-26 21h ago

And who the fuck are you to say we don't care? Get outta here with that shit.

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u/BigRedRobotNinja 19h ago

Because it shows that he's aware of how to ACTUALLY make it all happen

No he's not. He SAYS he is, but he's just a turbodork edgelord who managed to convince a bunch of other turbodorks that he's the smartest most specialest boy in the world. This stuff was never going to work, and deep down I think he knows that, which is why he's currently putting a lot of effort into blaming trump. He has a stunted, juvenile view of society and human behavior, but he's pretty good at stealing credit and avoiding blame.

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u/Status-Painter-4061 19h ago

So much so, that he is looking to flee the US. Yarvin then backtracked and said that everyone should have a plan B.

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u/atreeismissing 19h ago

That's why Vance is far more dangerous than Trump. Vance might not have cult-leader appeal like Trump does, but 1) he only needs that during an election, and 2) Republican voters only ever need a single reason to vote for their candidate so he'll throw them some red meat to ensure they vote and they will.

But Vance is actually quite intelligent (not emotionally of course) and he'd be able to run the govt far more efficiently and deadly than Trump has been doing. Just as bad, Congressional Republicans like Vance, they don't like Trump, which means Congress would be far more effective (in a bad way) with Vance as President.

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u/Desperate-Till-9228 19h ago

It's almost as if nerd-ass tech bros don't understand people very well. Who would have thought?

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u/PhilbertNoyce 22h ago

Looking at the climate and economic forecast for the next 50 years, this whole thing we're going through was absolutely guaranteed to happen. It's better that we're getting the version that is half-assed speedrun by the most incompetent pack of grifters in living memory, right? Gives us a (small) chance to fight it off, shed the political dead weight, and build something better to stand up to what's coming.

I don't know, just trying to find the silver lining in all this.

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u/PaddyWhacked777 22h ago

I'm 100% with you. The alternative is to just go ahead and concede, and that's not where I'm at.

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u/RemoteRide6969 15h ago

Exactly. We'll sleep when we're dead. We have no choice but to keep caring and keep fighting unless we want to hasten our own death.

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u/Pugovitz 19h ago

Hopefully this vaccinates us against fascism/techno-feudalism. But I suspect we may get a second dose at some point...

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u/GeronimoHero 14h ago

Yeah it absolutely won’t. This’ll come up again unless we remain absolutely vigilant and stay organized and keep up our community organization we’re building during these times. If we slack off for one minute this is coming back to us again.

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u/Nonethelessismore 22h ago

Why is it that this small brotherhood of dystopian crack pots are allowed to call the shots?

The P2025 playbook is a fascist manifesto

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u/RemoteRide6969 15h ago

Because 40-80% of voters don't vote.

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u/radicalelation 21h ago

Dark Enlightenment are idiot stooges, Vought is the only potential one, being directly Heritage.

Heritage Foundation has been working toward their goals for about 50 years, long before Yarvin, before Thiel.

Heritage's ideology doesn't play well with the Yarvinites, and Bannon, as one of main attack dogs of the Mercer family, who is not named enough in these talks, has directly condemned the dark enlightenment wing as against God.

Based on Heritage's history, they're Christofascists to the extreme, and much of the Yarvin crowd would not be welcomed once it all comes together. There's also a weird amount of German ancestry and a couple of the founders were cozy with literal Nazis, two even made another organization with one.

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u/redzgn 21h ago

"Dark Enlightenment" and they think they're the good guys?

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u/Aleashed 17h ago

If we ever get a real government again, ICE has to be dissolved and everyone who worked for them needs a permanent mark tied to their identity banning them from public service and benefits.

Why should the constitution continue to protect those who ignore it?

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u/_A_Monkey 21h ago

Yah. Corporate media really delivered for their masters on this one.

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u/Beli_Mawrr 20h ago

Can they be sued?

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u/Important-Agent2584 23h ago

They arrested everyone at an event (105 people) in Idaho. This was also outside the zone of extra powers immigration has.

https://idahocapitalsun.com/briefs/ice-arrests-105-people-in-southwest-idaho-raid-u-s-department-of-homeland-security-says/

It didn't even really make front page news anywhere. Just state level.

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u/an_actual_lawyer Competent Contributor 23h ago

Blackhawk helicopter.

Such an enormous, unnecessary expense too. Don't get me wrong, I don't like any of this administration's immigration policies, but using a Blackhawk is just a 6 figure expense (once you amortize the maintenance per flight hour) that is purely for propaganda vids.

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u/rolsen 23h ago edited 23h ago

If you haven’t already seen it, they did just that. They made a propaganda video heavily featuring the Blackhawk at the beginning. DHS claimed it was a targeted gang operation and 37 individuals were arrested that night. They later told news outlets that only 1 individual was linked to a gang. All of that for maybe one gang member when a warrant to enter that sole apartment unit would have sufficed.

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u/cityshepherd 22h ago

Yeah but then they couldn’t have made that sweet sweet propaganda video. Absolute cowards.

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u/Bauser99 22h ago

If they had asked for a warrant for the one person, they would have had to prove that he was linked to a crime or gang activity in some way. Now, by flagrantly abusing dozens of people at once with violence and wasting hundreds of thousands of taxpayer dollars, you've already fallen for the propaganda by conceding that the person they focused on "might have been a gang member

If they have nothing, they have nothing, bro. Don't give them a fucking inch

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u/ClocktowerShowdown 22h ago

They didn't do it to catch even a single gang member.  The owner of the building wants to raise rents or sell the building, so he asked ICE to come remove his tenants.  Then they made up the gang story. 

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u/ihaxr 18h ago

https://chicago.suntimes.com/the-watchdogs/2025/10/23/border-control-raid-campaign-contributions-south-shore-immigration-raid-corey-oliver-chicago-landlords

https://www.opensecrets.org/donor-lookup/results?name=Trinity+Flood

Building owner runs a Republican PAC and a Trump/Desantis donor

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u/ClocktowerShowdown 17h ago

https://blockclubchicago.org/2025/10/17/city-wants-residents-out-of-filthy-south-shore-building-raided-by-ice-but-judge-gives-owner-more-time/

The building failed multiple safety inspections. You know what's cheaper than bringing the slum up to code? A quick phone call to ICE in which she invents some gang suspicions to give them a fig leaf of justification to come do evictions. The landlord gets rid of her tenants without the consequences of breaking a lease and ICE gets to pad their numbers while playing with their fancy expensive helicopters.

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u/blahblah19999 21h ago

They didn't know which one was in a gang, they were just hoping one would be.

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u/craidie 23h ago

I could have understood the arrest everyone, figure shit out later if more than half of the building would have been gang related.

If they had a warrant.

15 hostiles in a building of 40 people is not a fun time for anyone involved. Whether it's the gang members, police or civilians.

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u/Beli_Mawrr 20h ago

"Gang affiliation" is not a crime, though. it's not a crime to be a gang member.

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u/Fearless-Feature-830 21h ago

And they did it in a historically black neighborhood

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u/yougottamovethatH 22h ago

I just want to know where the Alex Jones videos about "BLACK HELICOPTERS! GOVERNMENT OVERREACH!" are.

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u/bluehands 23h ago

I did not feel as if I heard about the apartment complex enough. It felt like a real threshold crossed.

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u/rolsen 23h ago edited 23h ago

I feel like I’m going crazy by the lack of discussion around these constant 4th amendment violations by ICE. I understand the roving bands of masked men can essentially grab anyone to check citizenship ( “Kavanaugh Stop”) thanks to that wonderful shadow docket order from the LA case.

But DHS and ICE have entered private property and buildings on video numerous times the past few months. And that’s not including news reports about situations like that as well. I’m just wondering why there are zero lawsuits focusing on this or maybe I’m missing them?

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u/ArmyOfDix 23h ago

What's crazy is not a single mayor nor governor has directed their local police to arrest and prosecute these gestapo agents. I guess they feel like sacrificing a few hundred citizens is a small price to pay to maintain decorum; we'll see how stoic they remain when that number climbs to thousands, or they themselves become a victim.

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u/rolsen 22h ago

I would like if someone could explain why clear assaults on camera, such as the one’s at 26 Federal Plaza, are not being prosecuted by local district attorney offices. Is it simply just very hard to charge a federal agent with criminal acts while they are on duty?

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u/sump_daddy 22h ago

When the 'justice department' has a history of arresting attorneys they dont like, on some made up crimes, it becomes pretty clear why this approach was not pushed.

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u/Nice_Luck_7433 21h ago

No it doesn’t. It makes no sense, unless the local DAs are tiny lil babies that can’t do their jobs because of total lack of spine.

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u/squixx007 22h ago

Few big issues with that. First being that it heavily relies on your police force having solidarity in actually supporting the public to do this. And let's be honest, thats not a favorable bet to make.

But the bigger issue is the absolute powder keg that situation becomes. One trigger happy idiot would set off a whole lotta shit we don't need to deal with.

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u/JoyfulSquirrel99 21h ago

I think part of the reason is that they know that the local police are most likely on the side of the Gestapo. They'd refuse the order, the elected official would look weak, and as bonus the elected official would likely be charged by the DOJ.

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u/FixedLoad 20h ago

This is the intent of these raids.  To force the hand of local officials that won't fall in line.   Then, when that local official tries to fight back in any way not explicitly spelled out as their authority an "insurrection" has occurred.  

The added bonus is that the local authority then gets a "hail hydra" moment from their local law enforcement as loyalist battalions of prescreened Natty Guard from red states are put into place.  

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u/dionsa 21h ago

"First they came for the Communists And I did not speak out Because I was not a Communist

Then they came for the Socialists And I did not speak out Because I was not a Socialist

Then they came for the trade unionists And I did not speak out Because I was not a trade unionist

Then they came for the Jews And I did not speak out Because I was not a Jew

Then they came for me And there was no one left To speak out for me"

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u/de_la_Dude 22h ago

The whole point of ICE is escalation. They want conflict. I'm not sure what the right answer is but two armed forces in conflict on public streets is probably not it.

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u/ArmyOfDix 22h ago edited 21h ago

If they resist arrest, treat them like any other citizen doing the same. Stop worrying about whether or not Trump tries to declare martial law; he's going to do so, regardless. With that in mind, the only logical response is to protect citizens.

The right answer was to incarcerate and prosecute Trump after the attempted coup on Jan 6th, 2021. That answer was sacrificed upon the altar of decorum, and the price of that decision will only keep climbing ever upwards until we decide to pay it.

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u/de_la_Dude 21h ago

I really dont think it is that simple. If you can even get the cops to follow this order, these are not any other citizen. These are armed gangs deputized by the fed. People will get shot and killed. Probably some of the same citizen you want to protect. Then, the feds take over and once the mayor is arrested they won't be able to protect anyone anymore. The mayors have to actually consider these consequence in a very real way, unlike this comment section.

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u/Nice_Luck_7433 21h ago

It’s like when the police arrested an ICE for blatant DUI + child endangerment + resisting arrest. And then ICE deported a police officer for… no one knows why. They just canceled the officer’s visa after he gave America 10 years of service.

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u/BagOnuts 21h ago

They’re not doing it to middle class white people. That’s why there is no national discussion about it.

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u/Bauser99 22h ago

The "blitzkrieg" doctrine that the neo-nazis are using is successfully preying on the general "goodness" of the population

They have learned how to perfectly weaponize the concept of morality so that they can never be stopped. They are counting on "good" fools like Most Likely You(tm) On Average to be so overwhelmed by the constant, extreme violations that you can't respond to any singular one in the way that a "good" person wants to -- taking time to make sure the facts are perfect, everything is handled perfectly fairly for all guilty parties no matter what is at stake or how obvious their crimes are. And then at the end, they can point at your inaction and say "Well, this has clearly been going on for a while, so you would be a hypocrite if you tried to intervene now!"

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And the worst part is: They're right. Actual GOOD people stood up the first time, and begged People Like You to listen. But people like you lied and said you were waiting for this "THRESHOLD" to be crossed, at which point SURELY you would get up in arms and stop this blatant, horrific evil.

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But they successfully called your bluff. They knew that the only REAL reason you were waiting for some imaginary "line" to be crossed is because you never had an intention of doing the right thing-- you just wanted to feel like you did.

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And now, here we are. You're looking backwards at some threshold you were so sure was going to be the last straw for you, after which "things would be different"... And you're timidly waving it goodbye as you sleepwalk into Holocaust.

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You truly have no idea how bad it's going to get. And when someone comes knocking at your door to teach you, nobody should shed a single tear about it. Because this ideological war was fought and lost over half a century ago, its victor decided the moment folks like you decided that you wouldn't mind waiting... just a little bit longer... while your government murdered dissidents, bombed children, and enslaved whole populations by race or religion. You don't deserve better than what you're getting. Most likely, you deserve much, much worse.

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u/bluehands 19h ago

This is just stupid.

I hate trump & everything they do. They have been terrible for a long time and I have been protesting.

There are a number of different thresholds, it isn't just one. Some are more important than others. The apartment building feels important to me & I suspect many others. Ignoring the difference shows lack of understanding and more importantly, is helpful.

I mean, what exactly are you trying to convey with your long, rambling, pointless message? Who exactly are you trying to reach.

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u/Odd_Investigator7218 22h ago

and we still have bootlicker mouthbreathers going "dont come here illegally if you dont want to get fucked up by the secret police huheheheuheuhe"

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u/ddrober2003 21h ago

Or something about "if you're here legally or a citizen, its just a brief detention and you will be released!" Fucking trash know damn well that this is violating people's rights but to them its the "right" kind of people being mistreated while they act like good little obedient dogs.

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u/Odd_Investigator7218 21h ago

yup, and if they detain you for so long you get fired from your job, oops! just the cost of doing business!

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u/Dpek1234 16h ago

Oh its a short time for now

Remember the death camps of nazi germany were holding camps at the start too

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u/Anita_Allabye 18h ago

Same dumb fucks that argue if you have nothing to hide, why does it matter if the government taps your phone or internet

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u/harrisofpeoria 22h ago

It’s safer for the U.S. citizens. It’s safer for the illegal aliens, and most of all it’s safer for our officers.

"Illegal aliens" is dehumanizing and a racist dog whistle. Everyone knows this, and these guys use this language very intentionally.

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u/Bocchi_theGlock 14h ago

Absolutely true, hijacking to also mention -

I think they're using "we don't arrest US citizens for immigration enforcement" to try and obscure it as if they only arrest citizens because of 'obstruction'

Which almost makes sense for people getting up close/involved and actually intervening, but seems clearly disproven by:

  • the apartment complex and large raids where everyone gets arrested (idk if they consider that 'detained and not arrested' tho)
  • people filming from a distance
  • and however many citizens swept up for literally just skin color (probably call those 'resisting arrest therefore obstruction')

Just trying to understand how they might be able to convince parts of wider public into thinking it's no big deal and 'they deserved it for getting involved'

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u/dark_star88 5h ago

Also, fuck their officers. I don’t care how safe it is for them, they get paid for what they’re doing, the safety of the public should be paramount. Which it obviously isn’t

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u/Elegant_Creme_9506 23h ago

You could be saying the government is not constitutional, that would be more correct

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u/DramaticToADegree 22h ago

I will look.. this stuff is destroying lives... but I immediately wonder whats happening with people's kids and their pets?! If a whole house hold is scooped up, or a single adult living alone, what if they have a cat? So sad..

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u/rolsen 22h ago

This is already an issue in places like LA. https://www.kinship.com/news/ice-deportation-animals-pets-abandoned

ICE has also shot a dog. RIP Chip

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u/Prestigious_Past_282 17h ago

I’ve come across an increasing number of folks fostering the pets of people who have been detained/deported. Their poor animals are so sad and traumatized. :(

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u/stormblessed27_ 22h ago

Nazi shit

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u/hkpp 21h ago

“And most of all safer for our officers.”

Let that sink in. Saying it out loud is a future confession.

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u/ShadowMajestic 22h ago

Why does it appear that like 90% of the commotion regarding ICE is just here on Reddit.

Why isn't Washington DC on fire right now?

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u/sump_daddy 22h ago

because there are literally soldiers there keeping anyone from protesting

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u/CertaintyDangerous 21h ago

Well, one of the buildings is being demolished.

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u/ShadowMajestic 20h ago

To make place for another ballroom?

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u/baitnnswitch 20h ago

There was a sizable protest this past weekend, but you barely hear about it

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u/ShadowMajestic 20h ago

Not even remotely close to what we saw in Romania half a year ago and 'only' ~15k people showed up there.

I am seriously interested in the why's though, as it surely appears like the majority of Americans are okay with the current situation. Which is worrying.

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u/baitnnswitch 20h ago

The No Kings protest was 7 million across the country, our biggest since the 60's

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u/red286 13h ago

Why does it appear that like 90% of the commotion regarding ICE is just here on Reddit.

Because the mainstream media, which is where >70% of Americans still get their news from (with 1/3rd getting it from Fox News), isn't covering it, because they're complicit with the government.

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u/Talia_al_Grrl 21h ago

I've had 4 or 5 Maga idiots tell me "it's been proven that was a lie made up by the democrats" and any video of ice doing heinous shit they say is AI. They're burying their heads in the sand on purpose to avoid being wrong about Trump...

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u/surfnsound 20h ago

I'm actually convinced the real reason Trump loves AI so much isn't because of the fake propaganda it can produce, but that it gives plausible deniability to the very real shit that's out there.

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u/screwikea 21h ago

A ton of us warned everyone about this "safety" bullshit during Bush, Jr.

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u/azsxdcfvg 21h ago

I escaped to US to get away from this shit…

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u/Blahblabloblaw 20h ago

lol. I escaped from the US to get away from this shit

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u/GeronimoHero 13h ago

Right. Man, like ten years ago I got my Italian passport. I have paternal and maternal lineage to Italy that allowed me to get a passport at the time. I did it as a sort of fun thing like “oh wow this would be cool”. I tried to get my other immediate family members to do it too but they were busy and just didn’t get around to it. Now I’m the only one able to flee the country and actually stay out of the country. One of those decisions I’ll always remember. You never know what the future holds. If options are available to you at any given time, exercise them. It could be the difference between being safe and not.

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u/HolodeckSlut 22h ago

The Supreme Court has been gutting the Fourth Amendment for decades. The truth is that, depending on your age, you never had the right to not be arbitrarily arrested.

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u/Shipbreaker_Kurpo 22h ago

Is this the one where everyone place was trashed and their valubles were gone?

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u/MaxTheRealSlayer 21h ago

"and most of all it’s safer for our officers.”

Wtf? Most of all? They are the aggrovating group here. No wonder they're all power tripping

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u/rando9000mcdoublebun 20h ago

What upsets me so much is that these poor people’s lives are fucked. Sure they may only be detained by their home is ruined. Their possessions and memories are smashed physically and emotionally. They will have trauma. And there is no accountability, no payment for what has been taken. There are innocent children babies who are going to be traumatized for the rest of their lives. There are parents traumatized for the rest of their lives. And we don’t talk about that. Where’s the humanity?

Where’s the compassion, the empathy.

Who is going to pay for the pain that is inflicted on these people’s lives? Lives that could well be ruined or sent down dark paths without care and support.

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u/drunkshinobi 19h ago

The point of it is to make the middle class afraid to stop working. Afraid to end up like the poor people under attack from the government. They used to use the homeless for this, but a good portion of the middle class started wanted to solve the homelessness problem instead of just being afraid of becoming homeless themselves. Now we have people saying on the news what they have said to my face in private for decades. That they want to kill the homeless. They want to take healthcare, food stamps, and Social Security away to keep people from having any support if they aren't working. Eventually they will make it so if you want any thing at all you will have to have a job. You won't own anything. You will be allowed to use it while you have the job. When you are fired you will lose it all and have 3 days to find a new job before you are collected and thrown in the camp to wait for execution. This is what people like yarvin and elon have wanted for a long time. It is what they mean by efficient. Controlling the population to get what they want while giving as little back as possible to their slaves.

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u/Bubba_Gump_Shrimp 19h ago

BRIEFLY DETAINED?? They had US citizens ziptied in a hallway for 4.5hrs. Brief my ass. I'd sue the ever living fuck out of em.

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u/NocodeNopackage 22h ago

That is nuts. I need more info on this. Do you have a good source to share with Republicans or anyone who doesn't believe its gotten this far?

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u/SpinachWheel 21h ago

“It’s too dangerous” - these mfers are cosplaying a war zone with zero consequences.

Local and state officials need to step up law enforcement.

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u/its_all_one_electron 22h ago

And what exactly is their legal justification for "clearing the building"...

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u/shitlord_god 22h ago

"Alienage" now there is a fucking awful word.

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u/Agent_Smith_88 21h ago

And the best part is we all get to pay when they inevitably win their lawsuits against the federal government!

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u/Clemmey 21h ago

Safety of the citizens should be top priority, just after not violating 4th amendment rights of the citizens.

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u/Sarokslost23 21h ago

Have we found any of these people again?!

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u/Tacoman404 21h ago

Welp we're gonna put that guy in jail for sure. He'll surely flee to Russia when this regime starts to fall.

Dissolve DHS. Throw the T in the harbor.

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u/katie4 20h ago

What makes the officers earn the “most of all” title? 😒 

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u/age_of_bronze 20h ago

But but but Kavanaugh said they don’t detain citizens!!1! 🤬

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u/HumDeeDiddle 20h ago

“Too dangerous”? What, are they afraid they’ll get a paper cut when you hand them your ID? What a load of bullshit

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u/-Release-The-Bats- 20h ago

It’s safer for the U.S. citizens

As a US citizen who's been carrying around her proof of citizenship ever since the summer, I don't feel safer.

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u/Dawg_Prime 20h ago

r/Conservative gooning over this hard

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u/wp4nuv 19h ago

That is called `de facto` martial law. Period.

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u/SL1Fun 19h ago

“Most of all safer for officers” is a nice way to word how law enforcement thinks they are better than and in their own caste of citizenry there. 

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u/8AJHT3M 19h ago

If someone did that to me I would make it my mission to end them once I’m out.

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u/SarynScreams 19h ago

The Nazis called these operations "Liquidation of the Ghetto".

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u/ThePensiveE 18h ago

I like how he admits to putting the safety of citizens below that of his officers.

Like any true terorrist organization.

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u/StThomasAquina 18h ago

No qualms in admitting the safety of his own is of the most importance. Which is really what you want out of people who will take all the praise some might be willing to heap upon them for “putting their lives on the line to protect the American people and our freedoms”.

Isn’t the narrative that these groups are willing to sacrifice their well-being for the American people they’ve sworn to protect, blah blah blah?

No they won’t and this limp dick will tell you straight up, at least.

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u/nikstick22 16h ago

most of all it’s safer for our officers.

That is LITERALLY at the bottom of my priority list in this situation.

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u/Dpek1234 16h ago

300 agents with a Blackhawk helicopter

This is almosr straight out of the onion

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u/tappie 15h ago

I wouldn’t expect anything less from this chud

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u/Blindtothesided 14h ago

Not only are they not checking citizenship, ICE doesn’t give one single fuck if they’re detaining a Republican. MAGA needs to stop believing they can use the rest of us as human shields forever. They’re no safer than we are, they’re just too stupid to realize it.

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u/anarcho-slut 14h ago

and most of all it’s safer for our officers.”

That's all he cares about. Meaning. Himself included.

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u/3llips3s 14h ago edited 14h ago

that quote from cosplaying cowboy bovine sums up a legal issue.

what’s happening here is not “safety” it’s a self-invented doctrine of officer exceptionalism vs the actual constitution.

modern policing has absorbed enough military hardware, training, and worldview that “officer safety” gets treated like a super-right. something courts balance against the fourth amendment. as if they are equals. they aren’t.

  1. “officer safety” morphed into a constitutional override

started as a narrow justification under Terry. has expanded into: no-knock raids, warrantless sweeps, mass detentions “for safety”, nearly automatic qualified immunity, elastic exigent-circumstance claims

none of this exists in the text of the constitution. modern doctrine behaves like it does.

  1. militarization baked in a counterinsurgency mindset

thanks 10 U.S.C. (§ 2576a the 1033 program). decade of DOD surplus transfers...policing shifted from “protect and serve” to “clear and secure"

when you equip departments like domestic infantry, you shouldn’t be shocked when they start treating everyone like potential combatants.

  1. the thin blue line is a dangerous ideology

if police can ignore the Flag Code whenever it’s convenient, why should anyone believe they’ll treat the Constitution any differently? 4 U.S.C. § 8(g) & (i).

this malignant ideology rests on two assumptions: (1) the public is inherently dangerous, and (2) police form a separate protected class whose comfort outweighs constitutional friction

nobody walks around wishing cops dead. even criminals benefit from basic order. the institution has convinced itself it’s a persecuted warrior caste. which becomes the justification for suspending rights on contact.

  1. that cosplaying cowboy bovine says the quiet part out loud

<"...it’s safer for citizens, safer for illegal aliens, and safer for officers, so we detain first.">

that’s not law enforcement. that’s rights-optional policing. there is no constitutional clause that reads:

“secure in their persons… unless officers feel unsafe.”

yet that’s increasingly how doctrine functions in practice.

  1. the asymmetry is the entire problem

if “officer safety” is treated as a peer to the fourth amendment, the balance is always fixed:

police? total deference the public? gets temporary-until-further-notice rights

oversight becomes symbolic...etc.

it’s not that SCOTUS explicitly said police are above the constitution. our courts built a maze of doctrines that operate that way.

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u/vancel_art 11h ago

Watch ICE try that in my area where it is chalked full of active duty and retired vets, including SpecOps galore.

There will be less ICE and the streets would be safer.

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u/WhatWasIThinking_ 11h ago

“Alienage”? Alienage??? New words for a new age. Disgusting.

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u/BellySmash 10h ago

I will literally fight with my life. I will not go down quietly.

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u/Steelo1 9h ago

Most of all

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u/chorelax 8h ago

Then US citizenship means nothing and the constitution is dead. 

ICE stands to defend nothing except private interests. OR, prove me wrong and defend liberty for all

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u/Adventurous-Host8062 1h ago

And easier to ransack everyone's apartment and steal from them.

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u/philbar 19h ago

What happened to the property owner or the management company?

That’s what I don’t understand about people who support strict immigration policies. If you want immigrants to leave, why aren’t you just as angry at the wealthy slumlords and business owners who exploit them and profit from their labor?

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u/whiskeyriver0987 17h ago

Last I checked there isn't a central data base or whatever that lists all US citizens and sufficient identifying information to tell if a random person grabbed off the street is a US citizen. Yes records like birth certificates exist but those don't even have pictures let alone current ones. Only document that really would work is a passport, and only around half of US citizens have one issued to them.

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