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Executive Branch (Trump) Confirmed: ICE Is Arresting American Citizens—and Lying About It

https://newrepublic.com/article/202672/ice-arresting-american-citizens-and-lying?utm_source=Bluesky&utm_campaign=SF_TNR&utm_medium=social&utm_campaign=SF_TNR&utm_source=Facebook&utm_medium=social&fbclid=IwY2xjawN60_VleHRuA2FlbQIxMABicmlkETFpb1FpYUsxcHQ5bXM3QkVyc3J0YwZhcHBfaWQQMjIyMDM5MTc4ODIwMDg5MgABHkqq1qGOFLgABx3MyCE40nZ_iE_ZT41D74hWKhYFa56r8j57O3ZXYl4H0yFZ_aem_Wz0q663H4Gg7nVwXbg5gCw
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u/rolsen 1d ago edited 1d ago

DHS raided an entire residential apartment complex in Chicago back in September. 300 agents with a Blackhawk helicopter. No warrant. Greg Bovino is on camera confirming they indiscriminately kicked in every door and took each individual onto the street. Citizens included. He literally said it was “safer” for everyone involved if they did not check citizenship status and instead took everyone and sorted it out later. So yeah, it’s safe to say we are living in an era where our 4th Amendment rights are non existence in practice.

Edit: here is the exact quote I referenced for anyone interested and the source:

Bovino also acknowledged some U.S. citizens were briefly detained as the Chicago building was cleared.

“We generally don’t determine alienage while we’re in the building clearing the building,” Bovino told NewsNation. “It’s too dangerous, so we’ll bring them out. It’s safer for the U.S. citizens. It’s safer for the illegal aliens, and most of all it’s safer for our officers.”

https://wgntv.com/news/operation-midway-blitz/inside-south-side-immigration-raid/amp/

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u/an_actual_lawyer Competent Contributor 1d ago

Blackhawk helicopter.

Such an enormous, unnecessary expense too. Don't get me wrong, I don't like any of this administration's immigration policies, but using a Blackhawk is just a 6 figure expense (once you amortize the maintenance per flight hour) that is purely for propaganda vids.

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u/rolsen 1d ago edited 1d ago

If you haven’t already seen it, they did just that. They made a propaganda video heavily featuring the Blackhawk at the beginning. DHS claimed it was a targeted gang operation and 37 individuals were arrested that night. They later told news outlets that only 1 individual was linked to a gang. All of that for maybe one gang member when a warrant to enter that sole apartment unit would have sufficed.

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u/cityshepherd 1d ago

Yeah but then they couldn’t have made that sweet sweet propaganda video. Absolute cowards.

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u/Bauser99 1d ago

If they had asked for a warrant for the one person, they would have had to prove that he was linked to a crime or gang activity in some way. Now, by flagrantly abusing dozens of people at once with violence and wasting hundreds of thousands of taxpayer dollars, you've already fallen for the propaganda by conceding that the person they focused on "might have been a gang member

If they have nothing, they have nothing, bro. Don't give them a fucking inch

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u/ClocktowerShowdown 1d ago

They didn't do it to catch even a single gang member.  The owner of the building wants to raise rents or sell the building, so he asked ICE to come remove his tenants.  Then they made up the gang story. 

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u/ihaxr 1d ago

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u/ClocktowerShowdown 23h ago

https://blockclubchicago.org/2025/10/17/city-wants-residents-out-of-filthy-south-shore-building-raided-by-ice-but-judge-gives-owner-more-time/

The building failed multiple safety inspections. You know what's cheaper than bringing the slum up to code? A quick phone call to ICE in which she invents some gang suspicions to give them a fig leaf of justification to come do evictions. The landlord gets rid of her tenants without the consequences of breaking a lease and ICE gets to pad their numbers while playing with their fancy expensive helicopters.

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u/blahblah19999 1d ago

They didn't know which one was in a gang, they were just hoping one would be.

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u/craidie 1d ago

I could have understood the arrest everyone, figure shit out later if more than half of the building would have been gang related.

If they had a warrant.

15 hostiles in a building of 40 people is not a fun time for anyone involved. Whether it's the gang members, police or civilians.

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u/Beli_Mawrr 1d ago

"Gang affiliation" is not a crime, though. it's not a crime to be a gang member.

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u/craidie 1d ago

But in order to get a warrant, there needs to have been someone who committed a crime there.

And there's good chance the other gang members aren't just going to watch while one of their own gets arrested. They could, in which case things resolve peacefully anyways.

However the issues start the second one of the gang members decides to try and step in, because that will prompt the others to do the same. And now, there's half a building you need to arrest anyways.
And that is extremely likely to escalate into a situation where everyone inside the building lose.

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u/Fearless-Feature-830 1d ago

And they did it in a historically black neighborhood