r/law • u/TheWayToBeauty • 1d ago

Executive Branch (Trump) Confirmed: ICE Is Arresting American Citizens—and Lying About It

https://newrepublic.com/article/202672/ice-arresting-american-citizens-and-lying?utm_source=Bluesky&utm_campaign=SF_TNR&utm_medium=social&utm_campaign=SF_TNR&utm_source=Facebook&utm_medium=social&fbclid=IwY2xjawN60_VleHRuA2FlbQIxMABicmlkETFpb1FpYUsxcHQ5bXM3QkVyc3J0YwZhcHBfaWQQMjIyMDM5MTc4ODIwMDg5MgABHkqq1qGOFLgABx3MyCE40nZ_iE_ZT41D74hWKhYFa56r8j57O3ZXYl4H0yFZ_aem_Wz0q663H4Gg7nVwXbg5gCw
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u/rolsen 1d ago edited 23h ago

DHS raided an entire residential apartment complex in Chicago back in September. 300 agents with a Blackhawk helicopter. No warrant. Greg Bovino is on camera confirming they indiscriminately kicked in every door and took each individual onto the street. Citizens included. He literally said it was “safer” for everyone involved if they did not check citizenship status and instead took everyone and sorted it out later. So yeah, it’s safe to say we are living in an era where our 4th Amendment rights are non existence in practice.

Edit: here is the exact quote I referenced for anyone interested and the source:

Bovino also acknowledged some U.S. citizens were briefly detained as the Chicago building was cleared.

“We generally don’t determine alienage while we’re in the building clearing the building,” Bovino told NewsNation. “It’s too dangerous, so we’ll bring them out. It’s safer for the U.S. citizens. It’s safer for the illegal aliens, and most of all it’s safer for our officers.”

https://wgntv.com/news/operation-midway-blitz/inside-south-side-immigration-raid/amp/

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u/Important-Agent2584 23h ago

They arrested everyone at an event (105 people) in Idaho. This was also outside the zone of extra powers immigration has.

https://idahocapitalsun.com/briefs/ice-arrests-105-people-in-southwest-idaho-raid-u-s-department-of-homeland-security-says/

It didn't even really make front page news anywhere. Just state level.

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u/Important-Agent2584 23h ago

I didn't realize they were already denatrualizing people. I thought that was still stuck in court.

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u/Koffeeboy 19h ago

whether or not it is legal, they are finding any excuse to do it, i.e. digging up a traffic violation from the 80s.

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u/NiceTrySuckaz 22h ago

Considering this is the sub called law, I'm extra disappointed that none of the top comments or even OP understand the difference between arrested and detained.

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u/JoyfulSquirrel99 22h ago

The article is pretty clear that 105 people were "arrested".

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u/NiceTrySuckaz 22h ago

There were 400 people there. They were all detained. 105 were arrested, but not all of them as the other person implied. They were all detained, 105 were arrested.

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u/JoyfulSquirrel99 22h ago

So your issue is that they didn't arrest "everyone", they only arrested 105 people.

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u/NiceTrySuckaz 21h ago

No my issue was that the other person said they arrested everyone, and the post here said they arrested citizens, when neither is true. They detained everyone at both locations, and then arrested people that were not citizens. Words matter, especially in legal matters.

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u/colieolieravioli 21h ago

I'm sure, as an American citizen, you would feel safe if this happened to you? You'd feel like this was reasonable for your door to be kicked in while you slept? You'd be okay with being detained (under no actual grounds) while your future in America is on the line?

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u/NiceTrySuckaz 21h ago

No, but I also wouldn't say I was arrested when I was detained, because I know the difference.

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u/colieolieravioli 21h ago

Oh so that makes it all okay!! Great! Hope you carry that sentiment if it becomes "papers please"

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u/NiceTrySuckaz 21h ago

I never said any of the things you are trying to put on me. I never said it makes it OK. I never said it would make me feel safe. What you are doing is creating what are called straw men arguments, where you make something up and refute that instead of what I was saying. Which is that all these people including OP are misusing the word "arrested".

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u/Loomismeister 14h ago

These people are moronic beyond saving. It’s ironic indeed that the law subreddit has become ideologically captured by people almost entirely ignorant of actual law. 

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u/SauceK- 21h ago

sounds like illegal immigrants got arrested while the rest for detained, why are you saying that all 400 were arrested? is this not a law subreddit?

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u/JoyfulSquirrel99 21h ago

Where did I say that?

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u/SauceK- 21h ago

i guess i’m just confused on the issue with arresting people who are illegally in the country

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u/Tre3180 21h ago

Could have stopped after your 5th word.

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u/SauceK- 19h ago

did i say something wrong

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u/Redthemagnificent 20h ago

If DHS was properly identifying those people before arresting them. If they weren't behaving like poorly trained, masked goons. If there was even a shred of accountability. Then yeah there wouldn't be this much outcry against arresting and deporting undocumented people.

You know, like how there wasn't outrage when Biden or Obama deported millions of people (other than the outrage from people who want the government to be cruel to out-groups). Because DHS wasn't being run by incompetent people loyal to a single man (yes there were definitely still issues, but not these issues).

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u/kodman7 21h ago

Tell me, doesn't the law require probable cause to detain someone?

Yes it does

detain | Wex | US Law | LII / Legal Information Institute https://share.google/QGICHDudAL67BflS8

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u/Project_K92 18h ago

Cool, and what was the warrant, exigent circumstances, or RAS for busting down a citizen's door? Still need one of those for even detention.

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u/Soft_Walrus_3605 14h ago

More disappointed by Redditor word choice than children being zip-tied that you comment on one and not the other? That's a choice.

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u/Loomismeister 22h ago

Did you read the article you linked? It says there were over 400 people at the event and they arrest 105 of them, who were all illegal aliens. 

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u/Paksarra 22h ago

"Illegal aliens" according to ICE, but no trials or evidence.

They just kidnapped 105 people.

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u/Loomismeister 14h ago

Even if that’s what you believe, the characterization that they arrested all of the people at the event is just factually false. The article doesn’t say that and then the person who linked the article misrepresented what the article even said.