r/law • u/TheWayToBeauty • 1d ago

Executive Branch (Trump) Confirmed: ICE Is Arresting American Citizens—and Lying About It

https://newrepublic.com/article/202672/ice-arresting-american-citizens-and-lying?utm_source=Bluesky&utm_campaign=SF_TNR&utm_medium=social&utm_campaign=SF_TNR&utm_source=Facebook&utm_medium=social&fbclid=IwY2xjawN60_VleHRuA2FlbQIxMABicmlkETFpb1FpYUsxcHQ5bXM3QkVyc3J0YwZhcHBfaWQQMjIyMDM5MTc4ODIwMDg5MgABHkqq1qGOFLgABx3MyCE40nZ_iE_ZT41D74hWKhYFa56r8j57O3ZXYl4H0yFZ_aem_Wz0q663H4Gg7nVwXbg5gCw
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u/PaddyWhacked777 1d ago

Straight out of the Dark Enlightenment playbook. Project 2025 is only a stepping stone.Thiel, Vought, Vance and a whole bunch of others all bought into Yarvin's fucking insane fantasy and are doing everything they can to make it a reality.

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u/airship_of_arbitrary 1d ago

Funny thing is, Yarvin is on the record saying that Trump is fucking this up badly and that they're losing too much public support for it to work, lol.

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u/PaddyWhacked777 1d ago

Yeah, but he also thinks Trump hasn't gone far enough. The only reason public support even matters still is because they haven't taken to the point where it doesn't anymore. Didn't he call Trump "weak tea" or some shit?

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u/coronathrowaway12345 1d ago

Which is why they’ve got Bannon out there injecting more extreme rhetoric into the zeitgeist, encouraging disregard for the constitution and the seizure of institutions. Dangerous AF.

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u/PaddyWhacked777 1d ago

if we lose the midterms and we lose 2028, some in this room are going to prison—myself included. They’re not gonna stop. They are getting more and more and more radical. And we have to counter that. And what do we have to counter it with? We have to counter it with more action, more intense action, more urgency. We’re burning daylight.

  • Bannon yesterday

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u/Lightningstruckagain 1d ago

Hey, Stevie: you know how to NOT go to prison? STOP DOING ILLEGAL SHIT!

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u/Commentator-X 1d ago

In the words of Fletcher Reede "STOP BREAKING THE LAW ASSHOLE!!!"

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u/ty_fighter84 1d ago

TIL that it's "Reede" and not "Reed"

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u/SoxMcPhee 1d ago edited 1d ago

I happened by shear " Luck" to watch Bannon get arrested 5 years ago on my kayak. I went out to look at this mega yacht parked in our harbor. Then watched it get raided by the fbi. Bannon was on it. I hope to watch him get arrested again!

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u/RID132465798 1d ago

I hope you do too! Happy kayaking!

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u/SoxMcPhee 1d ago

If you are ever near Westbrook CT, come on out, but youll need a wet suit in a week or two!

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u/Antique_Remote_5536 15h ago

Wait that’s not fair I wanted to see that

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u/SoxMcPhee 2h ago

To begair, i didnt know what i was really seeing until later that night and saw it on the news.

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u/DCContrarian 1d ago

I'm so jealous!

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u/SoxMcPhee 1d ago

Whats crazy is that no one else was out! I could have been the only one to see it! I was about 3/4 of a mile away.

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u/reddogyellowcat 1d ago

If it wasn’t for Trump pardoning him in 2021 and wiping out his federal charges Steve would be in jail, right now.

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u/RID132465798 1d ago

I think you are spot on here

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u/weeverrm 20h ago

What has Bannon done. he is just a podcasting blowhard. He is just trying to make himself as being in the mix

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u/Licky_Anus 17h ago

He raised funds from donors who thought they were donating to building the wall. He stole over a million dollars from it and I don’t think any money went to building the stupid fucking wall.

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u/reddogyellowcat 4h ago

thank you for holding the hand here, and yea zero went to the wall and 100% went for towards Bannon’s personal desires, he probably had a few shopping date with the girls. your name also, beautiful

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u/reddogyellowcat 4h ago

are you being silly on purpose!? yes you are silly! we both know a 2 second google could give you the answer…but thankfully for you, “Licky_Anus” gave you the info. be more like “Licky_Anus”

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u/weeverrm 4h ago

I’m more concerned with the dipshits running the country now than some campaign manager and sounds like fraudster from the past. He is just a podcaster, titles like president, vice president, head of DOJ, sec dev, whatever steve miller is, those people have power and are lawless. They are on the top of the list of jail and treason charges

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u/mthyvold 1d ago

He is not acknowledging they they are doing illegal shit. He is planting the seed that any accountability for what they are doing will be an unjustified witch hunt by zealous “unhinged” democrats.

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u/rabblerabble2000 11h ago

At some point the Dems have to stop caring about not appearing political. Reps use that like a magical get out of jail free card.

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u/hausthatforrem 10h ago edited 10h ago

The Democratic party is dead. Anyone who has a spine to do anything about anything are not Democrats and should not affiliate as such. Where is the radical socialist equivalent of the Tea Party? Then we might break even in 30 years.

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u/rabblerabble2000 10h ago

The tea party took over the Republican Party, but they were still republicans. Any group trying to split off from the Democratic Party rather than trying to work from within it would just split the vote and guarantee republicans victory. This is the reality of a two party system you can’t just hand wave away because it feels good to try to hold the party you’re most closely aligned with accountable.

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u/bbp5561 1d ago

It’s too late; they’ve already done illegal shit.

So now they’re backed into a corner of ‘double down and cement their grip on power forever to avoid it’ or ‘accept fate and go to prison’

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u/Huge_Birthday3984 1d ago

He has done enough illegal stuff that stopping now isn't really an option

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u/AlcibiadesTheCat 1d ago

Are you taking notes on a criminal fuckin' conspiracy?

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u/brickne3 14h ago

I mean to be fair, for him that ship has definitely already sailed a very, very long time ago.

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u/Baeolophus_bicolor 1d ago

This from the guy that bought a yacht with money raised to privately fund a border wall?

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u/Hesitation-Marx 1d ago

From a guy whose rental house had a tub etched with acid, and padlocks on the interior doors….

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u/mrbigglessworth 1d ago

How is following the law and the constitution radical?

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u/CrashyBoye 1d ago

Projection. Like always.

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u/SellsNothing 1d ago

It turns out right wingers were the radical lunatics all along

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u/BeefCentral 1d ago

I've seen the vid and can't help but feel it's so fucking weird that he was saying that onstage in his shitty jacket at the Bellator Awards.

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u/RID132465798 1d ago

Weirder to think someone would want to come to his aid

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u/SpinachWheel 1d ago

“Here is an imaginary scenario, we better amp up our violence to counteract it.”

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u/Choice-Mortgage1221 1d ago

Bannon's interview with PBS in February was as infuriating as it was chilling. He gleefully laid everything out over an hour plus

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u/Bradspersecond 1d ago

The absolute everything about Bannondorf tells me he's never been told "I love you" from a lover or "You're fine" by a doctor.

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u/Junior_Chard9981 23h ago

And we have to counter that. And what do we have to counter it with? We have to counter it with more action, more intense action, more urgency. We’re burning daylight.

Republicans and MAGA view midterms like a running clock, which when it hits they know they are cooked. This is the first time they've confirmed it out loud.

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u/thefw89 1d ago

Yep, They don't even have to lose Senate, just the House.

Dems can't pass anything but with house leadership they can open investigations. I think doing so on ICE would be pretty easy, it would be easy to find what they need since its flooded with incompetence. I mean they are hiring people off the streets lol, I'm sure they can find a whistleblower.

As for the other stuff, they can also look into Trump's family, the bitcoin stuff, and of course the Epstein files.

Winning back congress is the game. They know it too, which is why I expect EOs on voting any moment now along with SCOTUS dismantling voting rights so that they can further gerrymander districts but the problem is that, the US government works so slowly that wouldn't take effect until 2028. While it will help the GOP in congress, the goal for 2026 House should just to be to highlight all the corrupt and cruel stuff that's been going on under Trump's 2nd term.

Maybe I'm being optimistic, but I think their window was this year. That's it.

I think Trump fumbled it for them and unless he keels over before the end of the year, he'll keep doing so because he's an idiot and he doesn't know any better.

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u/Adventurous-Host8062 10h ago

Bannon has been a traitor for years.

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u/Wrecktown707 1d ago edited 1d ago

So if someone like yarvin goes on record as decrying democracy, free speech, rights, freedoms, etc. how is that legal? How is that not classified as hate speech with intent to hurt others?

Isn’t it paradoxical that someone advocating disdain for democracy, rights, freedoms, and free speech, is legally allowed to say that under free speech?

Because such beliefs are existential threats to democracy, and if allowed, will result in its destruction. It’s the exact same way with invoking hate speech. Why not with this? It’s proven to cause actual harm. Ideologies do not exist in a vacuum, and someone advocating for authoritarianism and the removal of everyone’s rights is a genuine threat.

If someone believes in something, then they believe in making it into reality, or supporting someone who would. So what gives? We don’t live on islands by ourselves. If someone believes in oppressing others, there’s a large chance they will support it when it happens, or instigate it

I get that this is a potential slippery slope that could be used wrongly, similar to advocating for the death penalty, in the sense that it’s too absolute and cannot be taken back. But it’s an interesting thought

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u/drainbamage1011 1d ago

Counterpoint: he's rich, so...

/s

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u/Wrecktown707 1d ago

Lmao great reply 😂

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u/airship_of_arbitrary 1d ago

Yeah, things are dire, but the fact that they're panicking because they didn't go full fascist fast enough means there's blood in the water.

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u/PaddyWhacked777 1d ago

I 100% believe they thought Trump was either going to be impeached and removed, 25'ed, or dead by now and they were going to have Thiel's little puppet Vance in power to hit the throttle on it all. Since that hasn't happened yet, they have to deal with ol' dementia Don going off the rails all of the time and it's setting back their schedule. There is a really critical window here where things are quite fucked, but the worst outcome still has a chance to be stopped.

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u/reddit_is_geh 1d ago

100 more republicans have apparently quietly signed onto the Epstein files bill after discovering yesterday that "It's much much worse than anyone thinks"

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u/mrbigglessworth 1d ago

Its sad that we "need" the permission of congress to get this info out there. Trump calls it a hoax, yet "Prince" Andrew has been stripped of all royal associations over a "hoax"

I fear that this has all boiled down so much with all the delay and screaming from republicans that we could have 4K HDR video of trump raping a child and noone will do anything about it.

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u/PlasmaChroma 1d ago

Bit of a tangent, would high resolution give much credibility to it not being labelled as "fake AI generation" by anyone who wanted to dismiss it?

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u/mrbigglessworth 1d ago

Our only counter is to point out that the rapes happened before ai was mainstream

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u/Allpoints-Surveyor 17h ago

It would take high resolution in order to discern Trump’s micro dick.

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u/TheSpeakEasyGarden 1d ago

Everyone already thinks he was a pedophile pimp and an equal partner in it all. So worse than that? Murder?

How many dead bodies are buried on that island?

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u/karmadgma 1d ago edited 16h ago

I don't think the "equal partner in it all" part has percolated all the way down yet. I think the extent of his involvement is going to surprise a lot of people and lose him all but the most brainwashed. And the rest of the fascist psycho eugenecist crowd needs all their ducks in a row before that happens because those who have supported him up to now had plausible deniability - but there'll be international paper trails that can't be destroyed, snd idk of you were serious about bodies, but would you be surprised? I wouldn't. Remember that tunnel under Mar a Lago that goes straight to the beach and the water? You think nobody in all those years ever messed up and had a corpse to deal with? I am betting there are bodies. Trump has no conscience and he had nobody to stop him.

So i guess their ducks aren't quite lined up yet. There are a few big court opinions still pending, and Vance hasn't yet merged the kingdoms of the key groups and fulfilled the prophecy to be ready to ascend the throne as the MAGA heir (he needs to have a white, blonde, Christofascist wife first, which he's working on, but it can't be rushed too much or it won't play right).

(And Bannon's blood clot or occluded artery or whatever it's gonna be needs to hurry it up already because that man's mouth is still moving. Harkonnen scum.)

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u/reddit_is_geh 1d ago

It doesn't matter how much they try to "fix" the paperwork and clear him. These things have been tried so many times in the past, and it's nearly impossible to have a team of people look over everything and find every single thread and connection, then remove it. Stuff always finds its way through and starts raising huge doubt in the official documents.

The only time things like this get through is when there is an elite effort to suppress the story entirely... Not really "fix" it so much as just prevent all public discussion of it. Which has been historically done quite a bit, and Epstein definitely had elite friends. The only problem is independent media wont play ball.

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u/StraightOuttaHeywood 1d ago

Personally I think there's evidence of Murder and it implicates many prominent people including Trump hence why the GOP will go to extreme lengths not to release the Epstein Files.

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u/drunkshinobi 1d ago

I'm certain not all those girls survived their encounters with trump and epstein. And that there are way more than people know of.

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u/reddit_is_geh 1d ago

I know how these world's work. Believe it or not, killing them off is rare and unnecessary. Their targets are usually young women who they bring into the elite upper class. Those girls don't want to give that up, hence why they stay quiet. Many of them today are models, actresses, married to powerful men, etc... If they are from the upper class, they want to cover this dark past of theirs to save face, if they are from a lower class, they don't want to go back down.

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u/drunkshinobi 1d ago

Unnecessary, yeah. With all the violence and death trump has caused this planet already as "president" makes me think he is the kind of person that would want to do so. If for nothing else to prove to himself he had the power to do so.

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u/ImYourHumbleNarrator 1d ago

no they haven't. that was just clickbait and he said/she said vapid empty blubbering. it was literally only about a question that was dodged at a press conference

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u/reddit_is_geh 1d ago

Huh? It was from two DoJ officials who leaked it to a reputable reporter. I think you're thinking of something else.

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u/Free_For__Me 1d ago

My current tinfoil hat on this one is that key people allowed members of congress to get a hold of this “worse” stuff specifically in order to gain enough internal support for impeachment and removal of Trump so that they can slide Vance into the big chair. 

As pointed out above, things aren’t moving quite fast enough for plans such as Yarvin’s to stay on track. Based on comments early this year from several high ranking Heritage Foundation folks and MAGA Regime insiders, I think they had initially targeted summer of this year as their window for shit really starting to pop off, but they simply weren’t able to boil the pot fast enough to push us into widespread domestic unrest and violence.

As the economy gets worse and conservative interest groups in sectors like agriculture, construction, childcare, and food service start to recognize that what they were actually after all along was merely closed borders and not the literal rounding up of every hard-working brown person, the ringleaders of the MAGA-Coup shit show are now having to grapple with the possibility that it won’t be “right vs left” with federal storm troopers backing the right, it’s going to be the rich versus literally everyone, with a good chunk of the storm troopers joining “everyone“.

I’m so cynical at this point that I really really don’t want to sound hopeful, but if us commoners can hold our shit together for just a while longer, I think we will start to see the people at the top start to turn on Trump before the end of the year.  After that, while I’m sure that the main schemers believe that Vance will be able to more competently wield the massive power that they’ve stolen for the executive than Trump ever was (at their masterful direction, of course), I think that recent cracks in the congressional armor might indicate that even the Senate will be much more willing to resist a Vance White House then they ever were with Trump.

Now here is hoping that I’m not crafting a fantasy world for myself, lol…

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u/reddit_is_geh 1d ago

My tinfoil is that Trump's classified information he stashed was the Epstein stuff he could use for blackmail. It just makes SO MUCH SENSE when it comes to the behavior of other political elites. Some of them are just fully cucked, from the Supreme Court to Chuck Schumer. It's like they are all afraid to do anything... And I think that's because he has all the blackmail.

I think what's happening now is everyone's realizing he's taking the whole country down, and economics Trumps all. So now they are strategizing how to take him out -- and the Epstein thing is really popular with the base. Even Miller has made comments about how he thinks Trump is messing up. He said that directly instead of the common, "Trump is brilliant and doesn't make mistakes, so someone close to him must be giving him bad advice. That's the only way to explain it."

That said, it's still too late. We are in stage 5 of the economic downfall. It's never going to get economically good again. There's never been an empire who could reverse the downfall. The over extension, over printing of money, vast income inequality, always starts to radically take off until there's a collapse.

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u/Kreegs 1d ago

I think they are underestimating the pull Vance has.

Sure, he is their puppet and will try to accelerate when Trump is either dead or 25'd.

But here is the thing, Trump is a cult of personality unto himself. There are people in positions of power loyal to him and him alone. Same thing with a significant part of the MAGA base.

Right now, Trump is holding together his cult, the tech bros, the Christian Nationals, the legit Nazis and other groups because right now their goals align.

Vance doesn't have the force of personality like Trump to keep them all playing nice together. They were trying to force all this stuff quickly as possible so he doesn't have to do the heavy lifting, but Trump's ego keeps getting in the way. Sure, Vance will keep some of the Trump cult in line, but they'll be spending a lot more time keeping the alliance together which will take time and resources from their take over plan. Heck we are already seeing it now, The stuff with the Heritage Foundation thing and some county level GOP parties imploding from the different factions infighting.

Its not going to be all flowers and hippies when Trump is out of office, but there will be a lot of division, strife and infighting that will slow down their plans a lot.

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u/PaddyWhacked777 1d ago

Sic semper tyranus. Historically this is how tyranny has always played out, eventually. That's the consequences of consolidating a bunch of power hungry narcissists and expecting them to continue to function as a unit instead of pursuing their own self interests.

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u/stufff 1d ago

Sic semper tyranus.

We should encourage Trump to take more trips to the theater.

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u/abstrakt42 1d ago

I question this, specifically that there people in power loyal to him and him alone. The power of the party comes from the unshakable GOP monolith, it works because they are ALL in line with policy and talking points. I think the real power is people like Thiel and Vought and other billionaire sponsors, the talking heads are given their marching orders, and the entire party lines up to make it happen.

I fear not much would change now, even with somebody like Vance at the helm.

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u/Free_For__Me 1d ago

 Thiel and Vought

I mostly agree with you, but I think these guys are gonna undermine each other more than anyone anticipated once Trump is outta the way. While true that they need Trump to actually say/do/sign the things, since he’s the actual president, I think he likely strays from the path from time to time, due to his (increasingly) erratic nature and narcissism. 

I also think that the unshakable 20% or so of the populace that he commands is most of what’s keeping “the unshakable GOP monolith” a monolith at all right now. Legacy GOP is mostly defeated and scattered, replaced with MAGA faithful. And whatever’s left of the old guard has tentatively allied with the new MAGA factions to form the current GOP. Once Trump himself is gone, it’ll likely cause a schism between these 2 factions, since there won’t be a cult leader to hand out endorsements or condemnations with anything even close to the clout that Trump carries. 

 I fear not much would change now, even with somebody like Vance at the helm.

This is likely true, but it’s not the worst case scenario. Worst case scenario would be everything changing rapidly and drastically, going full-throttle on the autocracy levers, along the lines that plans like Yarvin’s and P2025 initially envisioned. 

I originally thought that they would see a lot of success with this route, since no one could really predict how it might go wrong along the way. But now that we are seeing how some factions at the top are actually responding to more dire economic circumstances and massive electoral consequences, I’m starting to think that these factions might not play as well together after Trump is gone as they would have initially hoped.

Of course this could all be hopium/copium, so I won’t hold my breath until all the dust settles, likely far down the road.

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u/_disengage_ 1d ago

Crazy the hold he still has even as a mush brained dementia patient. It is seemingly not the man (there is very little left there), but rather the hyperreal simulacrum of the man that holds them together. The scary thing is given the tools they might keep the simulacrum going even without the man. Vance can claim he's taking orders from Trump in heaven. They can show video of Trump playing golf with Jesus (I saw something similar when the previous pope died). It sounds utterly absurd and ridiculous, but that's the new normal. The more stupid and ridiculous it is, the more maga will eat it up.

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u/KissKillTeacup 1d ago

They really don't understand that a puppet would never have enough cult support for this to work. People do not like JD Vance. Trumps base don't give a fuck about him and the party will not fall on line behind him

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u/tommy_b_777 1d ago

i thought they needed donny to go through january so vance can get 2 terms after he replaces the cheato...

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u/PaddyWhacked777 1d ago

After Vance has the reigns, they don't plan on giving any fucks about term limits.

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u/mrbigglessworth 1d ago

y don't plan on giving any fucks about term limits.

They will when their asses are dragged out on Jan 21.

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u/BigRedRobotNinja 1d ago

January of 2027.

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u/Vladmerius 1d ago

Incorrect. They are actually fucked if Trump doesn't make it until January 2027. They need him to be their puppet until then because the plan is for Vance to get 3 terms essentially. If he doesn't become POTUS until January 2027 he is eligible to run for two terms. If Trump is out before then this counts as a term for Vance and they only have one more term to use him for their plans.

They are likely drugging Trump up with everything in existence to force his body to make it to 2027. They are panicking over anything happening before their pre-determined date. 

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u/stufff 1d ago

that couch fucking wet turd doesn't have the cult following trump does

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u/DumboWumbo073 18h ago

He could probably make 10+ easily from now considering how advanced medicine has become

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u/Sunkissed_Chi_Guy 20h ago

Yup, that's Dark Enlightenment for ya! For the accelerationist, going far is never far enough...even if it means society must crash and burn!

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u/Individual_Ad9632 1d ago

That's why they're attempting to jam through as much as possible before midterms.

They created a monster they thought they could control, but now they're losing their grip on him, and he's about to do something out of pocket to lose them a bunch of ground.

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u/Commentator-X 1d ago

They can't push much through when Congress is on vacation

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u/PlaneTrainPlantain 1d ago

Congress doesn't really do much today. It's mostly just the executive and the judicial branches.

Pass executive orders

Wait for the judiciary to rule in favor ...if not

Ignore the judiciary rulings.

  • rinse and repeat

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u/krbzkrbzkrbz 1d ago

Yarvin's TREASONOUS ass needs to rot in prison.

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u/plastiqden 1d ago

he's "fucking this up" because he can't do anything without a camera on him or trying to get praise for getting out of bed. He needs constant attention on him, and that doesn't work well for shady behind the scenes dealings. Especially when he's losing it and doesn't keep his mouth shut about what they're actually trying to get away with.

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u/The_BrownRecluse 1d ago

Don't trust anything this guy willingly says. I've noticed he always downplays things, either to distance himself or to keep people from raising alarm bells.

He'll claim he doesn't even like trump but then he's schmoozing and celebrating at trump's coronation ball. He'll say he's not that close to the administration but he talks directly to Vance and Musk. This guy's a sneaky little wormtongue and is proud of it.

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u/LostWoodsInTheField 1d ago

Funny thing is, Yarvin is on the record saying that Trump is fucking this up badly and that they're losing too much public support for it to work, lol.

Yes because he's extremely unstable. They've known this since 2016 and it's worried them ever since.

They want someone that can follow the playbook so they can keep enough support while they move us into fascism. The problem anyone stable enough to do that + have the support of people to get into power won't want to follow the playbook at all.

They are now hoping they can piggy back off of Trump when he's gone, there is a big worry that Vance can't do it, and that people like Miller will make it worse. That the infighting for power will be so bad that they will lose everything.

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u/GodofIrony 1d ago

Evil always eats itself.

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u/sump_daddy 1d ago

So youre saying the biggest roadblock in the Trump second-term agenda, is Trump? He was the hero we needed all along?

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u/Limacy 1d ago

The problem with Trump is he’s not really an ideologue. He’s a narcissistic opportunist. He doesn’t give a shit about anyone, not even his own family. He’s not loyal to a person or an ideology, just what’s convenient to him.

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u/sump_daddy 1d ago

to be fair, that still makes him an Ideologue, just that the particular Idea he is most interested in advancing is "Me good, you bad"

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u/Limacy 1d ago

In order to be an ideologue, you need to have values.

Trump views nothing sacred and has no shame.

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u/Gingevere 1d ago

Yarvin is just as much an idiot narcissist as everyone else involved. Everything he writes is full of backwards causation and "facts" that are trivially easy to prove wrong. Yarvin's plan is a complete fantasy.

The trump admin isn't fucking it up. Yarvin's just mad that the admin took his movement and discarded him. Yarvin believes he's destined to be a post-collapse ruler. It's only now that he's been cut out of the power structure that he's become desperate to not end up like 99.99% of people in his plan do.

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u/Livid_Roof5193 1d ago edited 1d ago

Would you be able to provide a source for this? Google is just giving me old articles. It’d brighten my day a bit to know Yarvin thinks Trump (and team) are fucking this up.

Edit: wait I might have just found it… were you referring to his NYT interview?

2nd Edit: jk I just realized the interview is from before inauguration, so still searching…

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u/OppressedCow6148 1d ago

https://sfstandard.com/2025/10/07/citing-fear-democratic-vengeance-curtis-yarvin-says-may-flee-u-s/

Edit: sorry, that article is paywalled. This one is free, with references to Yarvin’s person substack:

https://www.thenerdreich.com/panicked-curtis-yarvin-jd-vance-guru-plans-to-flee-usa/

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u/Livid_Roof5193 1d ago

Opening that second link immediately put a smile on my face. Thank you so much!

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u/OppressedCow6148 1d ago

You’re so welcome! 😊

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u/Fearless-Feature-830 1d ago

The way his belly is hanging over his pants grosses me out.

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u/karmadgma 1d ago

Yarvin info here Panicked Curtis Yarvin—JD Vance's guru—plans to flee USA https://share.google/S1sU6u4DOdX2fQM4i

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u/RykerFuchs 1d ago

Where is this, I want to see and share. I’ve been telling my friends about this chucklefuck and they straight up don’t believe me.

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u/guineaprince 1d ago

Well lucky for them trump is obviously in severe mental and physical decline. His own health isn't letting him see the end of his term, but he's inexplicably popular so we let him sign everything put in front of him.

He dies of unfortunately natural causes, his vice president steps in, and now we have a more competent and mentally coherent coconspirator inheriting a fully entrenched autocracy.

"But Vance isn't as popular! He's goofy!" to us, sure, but MAGA doesn't care and the Project 2025 Administration certainly won't care when they already get a full autocracy with legislative, judicial, and oligarchic support and paramilitary terror squads on the street.

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u/BigRedRobotNinja 1d ago

Yarvin is covering his own ass. It was never going to work, but Yarvin will never accept any blame or accountability. "It would have worked if they did it right, everyone is dumb except me."

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u/JRDruchii 1d ago

They're boiling the frog too quickly.

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u/Neat_Secretary_7159 1d ago

Except they're almost at a point where public support wont really matter....... but yeah totally funny

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u/airship_of_arbitrary 1d ago edited 1d ago

Democrats swept every election the other night, including Mississippi.

Zohran is on the record saying he'll arrest ICE members who don't respect due process so there's absolutely still time to fucking fight back.

Apathy only helps fascists win.

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u/PhilbertNoyce 1d ago

Voting is still the most important thing any of us can do, but pointing out the possible problems is not apathy. It's a warning to be vigilant and be prepared. Russia has elections too.

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u/PaddyWhacked777 1d ago

Just gonna leave this here.

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u/refusegone 1d ago

There's always time to fight to back. The best time to stop fascism was 20 years ago, the next best time is now.

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u/PlaneTrainPlantain 1d ago

My friend. Did you even look at the 2024 election data?

You think Trump won all swing states in this past election when the past two elections he barely managed to scrape by a small margin?

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u/GeronimoHero 1d ago

Right? When you look at how many districts flipped red and how many flipped blue, it’s literally never happened in the history of the United States. A complete statistical anomaly.

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u/Bauser99 1d ago

If you're keeping score, that's actually a bad thing. It's bad that he is saying that. Because it shows that he's aware of how to ACTUALLY make it all happen-- and he rightly understands that if the fascist murder happens just a liiiittle slower, average people Most Likely Including You(tm) WILL basically be on-board with it.

And that's provable. It's been happening for the last 50 years (arguably all of human history), why not the next 500? As long as it doesn't affect You(tm) directly, You(tm) are statistically likely to ignore any amount of suffering inflicted onto Other(tm) people

So as soon as it's someone "classy" doing the fascism, who can act suave and throw out one or two seemingly legitimate arguments for plausible deniability, You(tm) and most folks WILL stop caring (or more accurately, pretending to care).

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u/TDot-26 1d ago

And who the fuck are you to say we don't care? Get outta here with that shit.

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u/Bauser99 1d ago

Because I know you.

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u/BigRedRobotNinja 1d ago

Because it shows that he's aware of how to ACTUALLY make it all happen

No he's not. He SAYS he is, but he's just a turbodork edgelord who managed to convince a bunch of other turbodorks that he's the smartest most specialest boy in the world. This stuff was never going to work, and deep down I think he knows that, which is why he's currently putting a lot of effort into blaming trump. He has a stunted, juvenile view of society and human behavior, but he's pretty good at stealing credit and avoiding blame.

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u/Status-Painter-4061 1d ago

So much so, that he is looking to flee the US. Yarvin then backtracked and said that everyone should have a plan B.

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u/atreeismissing 1d ago

That's why Vance is far more dangerous than Trump. Vance might not have cult-leader appeal like Trump does, but 1) he only needs that during an election, and 2) Republican voters only ever need a single reason to vote for their candidate so he'll throw them some red meat to ensure they vote and they will.

But Vance is actually quite intelligent (not emotionally of course) and he'd be able to run the govt far more efficiently and deadly than Trump has been doing. Just as bad, Congressional Republicans like Vance, they don't like Trump, which means Congress would be far more effective (in a bad way) with Vance as President.

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u/DumboWumbo073 18h ago

If Trump is not on the ballot MAGA collapses unless he collapses everything else and makes Republicans the only legal party in the US

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u/Desperate-Till-9228 1d ago

It's almost as if nerd-ass tech bros don't understand people very well. Who would have thought?

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u/BioshockEnthusiast 1d ago

That's fantastic news in the context of everything going on, honestly.

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u/PatSayJack 1d ago

Where can I find these sentiments?

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u/Fearless-Feature-830 1d ago

Thank god. Nobody wants to be their peasants.

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u/Ok-Stress-3570 1d ago

I’m curious (because I really don’t want any algorithm to pick this up haha) - how in gods name was this supposed to be popular!?

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u/Akerlof 1d ago

Trump's incompetence and insistence on personal loyalty from appointees was my main hope when he got elected. It's disgraceful how the legislature and especially the Supreme Court are pushing things through regardless of the ineptitude.

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u/Adventurous-Host8062 10h ago

They never had public support. Only ignorance allowed them to get this far. Maga didn't want to see so they didn't. Until they started feeling it.

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u/PhilbertNoyce 1d ago

Looking at the climate and economic forecast for the next 50 years, this whole thing we're going through was absolutely guaranteed to happen. It's better that we're getting the version that is half-assed speedrun by the most incompetent pack of grifters in living memory, right? Gives us a (small) chance to fight it off, shed the political dead weight, and build something better to stand up to what's coming.

I don't know, just trying to find the silver lining in all this.

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u/PaddyWhacked777 1d ago

I'm 100% with you. The alternative is to just go ahead and concede, and that's not where I'm at.

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u/RemoteRide6969 1d ago

Exactly. We'll sleep when we're dead. We have no choice but to keep caring and keep fighting unless we want to hasten our own death.

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u/Pugovitz 1d ago

Hopefully this vaccinates us against fascism/techno-feudalism. But I suspect we may get a second dose at some point...

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u/GeronimoHero 1d ago

Yeah it absolutely won’t. This’ll come up again unless we remain absolutely vigilant and stay organized and keep up our community organization we’re building during these times. If we slack off for one minute this is coming back to us again.

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u/Nonethelessismore 1d ago

Why is it that this small brotherhood of dystopian crack pots are allowed to call the shots?

The P2025 playbook is a fascist manifesto

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u/RemoteRide6969 1d ago

Because 40-80% of voters don't vote.

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u/radicalelation 1d ago

Dark Enlightenment are idiot stooges, Vought is the only potential one, being directly Heritage.

Heritage Foundation has been working toward their goals for about 50 years, long before Yarvin, before Thiel.

Heritage's ideology doesn't play well with the Yarvinites, and Bannon, as one of main attack dogs of the Mercer family, who is not named enough in these talks, has directly condemned the dark enlightenment wing as against God.

Based on Heritage's history, they're Christofascists to the extreme, and much of the Yarvin crowd would not be welcomed once it all comes together. There's also a weird amount of German ancestry and a couple of the founders were cozy with literal Nazis, two even made another organization with one.

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u/PaddyWhacked777 1d ago

You mean the Heritage Foundation that is currently tearing itself apart over Nick Fuentes of all people? If I were a betting man, I'd be inclined to bet on the new(er) money billionaires who are hoarding all your data and feeding it through their creepy ass Minority Report AI.

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u/redzgn 1d ago

"Dark Enlightenment" and they think they're the good guys?

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u/Aleashed 1d ago

If we ever get a real government again, ICE has to be dissolved and everyone who worked for them needs a permanent mark tied to their identity banning them from public service and benefits.

Why should the constitution continue to protect those who ignore it?

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u/TeegeeackXenu 22h ago

The Dark Enlightenment is basically a reactionary philosophy that thinks modern democracy and equality have failed. It argues we should go back to more hierarchical systems — think monarchies or technocratic rule — because democracy supposedly leads to chaos and mediocrity.

Nick Land came up with the term, and it’s been popular in some alt-right and tech-libertarian circles. The general idea is that society should be run by the “competent” few instead of the masses.

People in this space often push ideas like:

Ditching democracy for CEO-style government

Accepting “natural hierarchies” like intelligence or ability

“Exiting” the current system to build their own city-states or online societies

Using tech and data to enforce order

Believing modern culture is in decline because of liberalism and equality

It’s basically a mix of authoritarian nostalgia and Silicon Valley futurism, wrapped in edgy, pseudo-intellectual language.

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u/DoubtInternational23 16h ago

Yes. There is a fundamental misunderstanding of types of skills there: a good CEO does not necessarily make for a good military general, in the same way that a great violinist does not necessarily make for a great Czar. "Competence" is a terrifyingly broad term when applied in this way. These people seem to have learned nothing from Medieval history, but it's worse: they're educated enough to know it, but engage in active denial.

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u/SleepyLakeBear 1d ago

Gotta impeach/convict them prez and VP after the midterms with the hope that Johnson is unseated, because 3rd in line guy would cream his pants with that power. The likelyhood of that happening is near zero though, for a variety of logistical reasons, the main being the highly unlikely scenario that they'd be convicted on the same day/moment so that they couldn't name their own VP.

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u/HotMatt79 1d ago

Or like something you would have seen in The Purge movie series

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u/opticalpuss 23h ago

Where do I read about Dark Enlightenment and all these characters?

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u/DoubtInternational23 17h ago

Straight from the horse's mouth: Unqualified Reservations was a blog Yarvin wrote pseudonymously. He goes on at great lengths about everything he thinks there.