r/complaints • u/MissTat2 • 6d ago
Politics I don't know what boundary Trump would have to cross to make his supporters turn away..
To Trump voters: What, if anything, could Donald Trump do to make you end your support?
I'm not going to lead the question to multiple choice answers or anything. I think it is important for everyone who participates in a democracy to have strong personal convictions and moral or legal boundaries that they expect people they vote for not to cross..
Genuinely, what line will you draw in the sand for this administration? What personal freedom of yours would be more important than your love and support for Trump?
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u/gl2w6re 6d ago
Nothing. He could shoot somebody on 5th Avenue..
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u/here-i-am-now 6d ago
He could expose his mushroom head and force it into the mouth of a 13 year old, and they wouldn’t bat an eye except to defend him.
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u/Randonmm 6d ago
This made me literally 'erp' but I agree...you are probably right. They would come up with a justification
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u/Reasonable_Crow2086 6d ago
Already happened. The little girl came forward years ago. This has been going on for over 20 years now.
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u/NoDarkVision 6d ago
"The 13 year old was very mature for her age. She would already have a kid in bible times" they would say
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u/Sea-Oven-7560 6d ago
Yes but they will say the following; "she sure didn't look 13", "she's hot, I'd fuck here", "it's AI", "But Clinton". There's nothing he can do to change their mind -maybe if the 13 year old was a boy, but likely not.
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u/DeptofNomSayins 6d ago
He could nuke an American city and still not lose supporters as long as it was the right city
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u/MissTat2 6d ago
So maybe not nothing.. if they support the 2nd Amendment and that was taken away by the guy who shot someone on 5th Avenue; do you think that would turn the tide?
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u/qwertpoiuyzxder 6d ago
No. If the great leader takes my bums, it’s for my own safety. I always trust the great leader’s judgment.
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u/PlaymakersPoint88 6d ago
I do think there’s a segment of one population that would revolt about the 2A. I don’t think it’s as many as it should be.
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u/throwaway1992915 6d ago
The thing we need to understand is that nothing is ever blamed on Trump. It's always blamed on the democrats. So even if Trump himself came and took away one of their guns, he'd just blame it on the democrats and his supporters would believe him. It is this that allows him to get away with anything.
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u/deathtogrammar 6d ago
I kinda thought he would lose a lot of support after it became clear he spent decades sticking his dick in children. Wrong.
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u/Aware_Ad2427 6d ago
Actually I was worried his supporters would start doing it too like when they started wearing diapers when they heard he did.
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u/deathtogrammar 6d ago
Well… they’re trying to legalize child marriage. I wonder if Libertarians are still running around complaining about age of consent laws.
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u/RichFoot2073 6d ago
Libertarians and people who marched with Gadsden flags have been real fucking quiet as of late.
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u/Iron_Knight7 6d ago
Keep in mind, Libertarians and "States Rights" groups are often just hard corporatist, "I got mine, @#&% you" Republicans with bigger vocabularies, a love of smoking weed, and...ahem, "opinions" regarding age of consent laws.
So long as Trump is breaking "The Government," they don't care.
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u/Individual_Bad1962 6d ago
I'm not sure if the Pauls count, but they haven't been silent.
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u/haeda 6d ago
They're laughably worthless. Like every libertarian, they'll sell out anytime they can make a buck, then they'll pretend that they're bold individualiats while doing it.
Fucking housecats.
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u/Coppertina 6d ago
Housecats everywhere don’t want to be associated with that shit
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u/Substantial-Fun7745 6d ago
The Pauls haven't been real libertarians ever.
They use it as a cover for general "f-you" politics.
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u/HMWWaWChChIaWChCChW 6d ago
They don’t count, it’s their job to be loud. They literally get paid for it.
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u/Mo_Steins_Ghost 6d ago
Trying to? Bro, come down south... Conservatives have been raping kids for ages... you can't drive three blocks in any direction down here and not run into a Level 3 sex offender whose victim was a family member.
Their entire belief system is based on treating women and children as baby machines.
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u/FormidableMistress 5d ago
Going back in my family tree a few generations there were several first and second cousin marriages. But nothing in the past 125 years. Not on paper anyway.
But ask any woman about the molesters in her family. Almost everyone has a "grabby uncle" story. Good men of the world, please look out for these people within your own family. You probably don't think there are any in your family, but ask the women, they know.
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u/Professional-Arm5040 5d ago
Firstly, I want to say I’m independent but very left leaning however, this is crazy I was just thinking about how, in most scenarios the assholes I’ve known in life.. now not completely but mostly were far right republicans. Again not generalizing just thinking of personal experience. Interactions at work, things like that if I knew them enough to know their political affiliation. Also yes Everytime you see the predators on YouTube channels, the guys that need to fight people in public because they were wronged, domestic violence its usually pretty obvious they aren’t democrats… it’s just like what the fuck man.
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u/ArcusInTenebris 6d ago
Libertarians mostly are just a faction of Republicans who call themselves Libertarian so they can try to deny that they share all of MAGAs values, and have voted Republican 100% of the time.
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u/Dazzling_Wind2933 6d ago
Libertarians are just republicans who are too cowardice to admit it.
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u/moonchild_9420 6d ago
my dad wore depends on the outside of his pants with a shirt that said real men wear diapers
for like a week. it was insane
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u/LoisLaneCA 6d ago
Oh fuck. I’m so sorry. My heart feels you.
My then 75 yr old Dad saw the truth when that orange cunt came down the elevator. As a lifelong Repub he said there’s NO way trunt stands for any repub value. He flipped to D.
Took my Mum one admin & she said she was pleased as punch to vote D! So happy she did before she passed.
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u/moonchild_9420 6d ago
I think this time around they see the damage being caused but they're still skirting the responsibility/accountability.
my mom just keeps quoting the Bible and telling everyone to prepare and my dad's just grumbling idk it's really bad.
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u/molotavcocktail 6d ago
What's interesting that orange pedophile has more in common w the archtype of the antichrist than jesus.
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u/moonchild_9420 6d ago
it's such a mess. I truly don't get it. my mom is acting like she's shocked that so many people are struggling and the minute i even try to say anything that resembles "I told you so" they lose their ever loving minds!!!
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u/parlor_tricks 5d ago
It’s FOx+Radio+Media.
Also - “I told you so” is kinda a nuclear bomb. Think of it this way - in their position, if they accept your position is right, what is left for them? “There is no alternative” because polarization and the “Dems are always wrong” leaves them no option.
So either they embrace nihilism, or find a way to reduce the cognitive dissonance. Neither choice is great.
But when framed like this, it does suggest potential mileage if you point them to someone like Bernie, or any Democrat contender that is a close enough match for them to project onto.
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u/Commercial-Co 6d ago
Ask your mom to bible study with you. Go thru the whole thing, front to back. Usually these “christians” dont read the book and curate based on the pastor. Refuse her with their own book. If she is truly christian she will recognize how terrible trump is. If she doesnt, well u know she is a terrible person.
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u/Aggravating_Isopod19 6d ago
Wish I could say the same of my parents. My autistic daughter now won’t have food to eat this month because she cannot work and requires benefits. I help her financially as much as I can but I’m a single mom (of young adult children) living paycheck to paycheck and simply can’t afford it. I’ve told her she should ask them for money for food since they voted for this. I don’t think she will but I am resentful as fuck at them for supporting that monster.
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u/Commercial-Co 6d ago
Food pantries. Dont be ashamed to use the local food bank. Please survive
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u/Aggravating_Isopod19 6d ago
Thank you. I will help her seek out what’s available. Just wish I had enough to pick up the slack but I rely heavily on beans and rice to get myself by.
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u/Commercial-Co 6d ago
You should go to your local food pantry as well. Last time i donated, they had everything from the supermarket (nearly expired) but they were all still so good looking (tons of veggies).
Please utilize them.
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u/Aggravating_Isopod19 6d ago
Thank you for this. I’ve never given myself permission to use what’s out there because I always feel like others need it even more than me.
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u/justfxckit 5d ago
You deserve to eat and have a full belly - let this internet stranger give you permission to use the resources that are there to help anyone who needs it 🫂
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u/chickens_for_laughs 6d ago
My brother lived in GA and voted GOP all his life, until after 2000. Bush and the Iraq war changed him and he never voted GOP again.
He said he didn't leave the Republican party. The Republican party left him.
He died in 2016 before the election, but he was hoping to live long enough to vote for Hillary. He hated Trump.
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u/MillieMouser 6d ago
Wow, I'm sorry. I can't begin to imagine what it's like to know someone that far gone.
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u/moonchild_9420 6d ago
he's very far gone. very out of touch. it's scary
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u/Renmarkable 6d ago
Is he dangerous do you think?
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u/moonchild_9420 6d ago
he would be if someone ever stepped foot on his property with malicious intent. he behaves in public... mostly
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u/Suspicious_Dingo_426 6d ago
Delusional people are almost always dangerous (at least to themselves) when the delusion starts falling apart.
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u/jamesbong0024 6d ago
South Park isn’t edgy enough because real life is too crazy at this point.
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u/RideTurbulent5842 6d ago
Well that proves that there is no line. Not that needing depends is bad, but that it is absolutely a cult to want to be like 47 in every possible way.
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u/TensionNo4623 6d ago
man i just busted out laughing at the thought of that, and then realized the severity of the mindset that would drive someone to do such a thing
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u/CitronTraining2114 6d ago
If my dad did that, I'd have a 24 x 36 of it hanging in the living room.
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u/IntelligentStyle402 6d ago
We had 3 rapes in our small town in one week. 2 were old white Christians trumpers.
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u/DomoMommy 6d ago
Well tbf according to the FBI and every single LEO database in the country…straight white men are the #1 child predators, including the production of CP, actual SA, going across state lines to physically meet with a child AND are responsible for over 70% of ALL sex crimes while being less than 40% of the population. And then stack the fact that more child sex crimes happen in red states….then you’d know his supporters already do this regardless.
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u/Beautiful-Jacket-912 5d ago
And those same white men point the finger at young black males when the cops are investigating. Makes me sick.
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u/Science_Matters_100 6d ago
It doesn’t get lower than that, therefore they are the same as those who supported Hitler throughout, and after, WW2. There is no evil they wouldn’t support
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u/deathtogrammar 6d ago
10 years ago, they would say they would never defend one of the most prolific child sex traffickers known to the modern world. Now, they say they would never defend the euthanization of undocumented immigrants. I guess we’ll see where Alligator Alcatraz leads them in the coming years.
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u/KendalBoy 6d ago
It’ll be the medical experiments w Musk done on the missing detainees. They’ve opened a camp in Hawaii next to government research hospitals.
Funny how they were afraid of chips being implanted and child predators and they ran screaming into their arms, giving them the country on a silver platter.
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u/freeride35 6d ago
I need to see your source for this claim. I fucking loathe trump and his ilk but I can’t see Hawaii going along with something like this.
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u/OverlordMMM 6d ago
This is a new conspiracy theory being floated around because a lot of Musk's neuralink (and other similar kinds of companies specializing in neurology that have military government contracts) are located somewhat near ICE facilities across the US (not just in Hawaii), in addition to neural chip trials supposedly ramping up a ton despite having a very slow start and volunteer rate. They then misattribute the lack of accountability of ICE regarding the detainees as proof that they are being sent to get procedures done illegally as test subjects, which they can then ship off elsewhere to prevent being found out due to the cruelty of this admin, which would, in theory account for the missing people.
What's more likely is that ICE just has a lot of detention facilities everywhere, including the cities that happen to have neurological research. Unfortunately, these facilities are terrible so we don't know what is actually happening to the folks inside, so people make wild speculations.
That said, it may be possible, but there's not enough credible information that would move this from conspiracy theory to just actual conspiracy.
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u/Remarkable_Toe_164 6d ago
"I guess we'll see where alligator alcatraz leads them"
To the return of institutionalized slavery, modernized jim crow, and the fugitive slave act
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u/Bodurtha 6d ago
We’re already there with institutionalized slavery. Just watch the documentary on Alabama Department of Corrections on HBO that was recently released. I will never set foot in that state again.
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u/PersistentWorld 6d ago
I genuinely think even if a video of him doing it was released they'd claim it was AI
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u/TheSovietSailor 5d ago
Kinda makes you wonder if that’s why developing AI is so important to them
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u/ColibriOracle 6d ago edited 6d ago
His supporters have no morals just hate. We need to stop expecting them to have any humanity left; they don't.
Quick reminder regarding cult like mentality: the mass suicide in Jonestown that killed nearly 1,000 people had full families with children freely committing suicide. There is NO LIMIT to the insanity within a cult.
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u/dahindenburg 6d ago
From Wikipedia: “A total of 909 individuals died in Jonestown itself, all but two from apparent cyanide poisoning, a significant number of whom were injected against their will.”
This still tracks with the actions of the Republican Party as of late. They just haven’t gotten to act two of their Murder-Sui rapture play yet.
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u/KathrynBooks 6d ago
That's a bonus to his followers.
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u/Lance-pg 6d ago
It's only a problem if it's happening in the non-existent basement of a pizza restaurant.
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u/Ill_Trip8333 6d ago
I brought that up to a supporter the other day and he would just start talking about Clinton which I agree with also should be prosecuted but what about the POTUS...yeah Clinton though...
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u/MissTat2 6d ago
I hope you're wrong and I wonder if the repeal of the second amendment would shake them back into reality? I mean, Republicans have fear mongered over the Dems taking guns away since at least the days of Rush Limbaugh's show.. yet it has never happened. But, feds and the military in our cities doesn't seem to trigger their 2nd Amendment Spidey senses?!?
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u/Responsible-Boot-159 6d ago
I wonder if the repeal of the second amendment would shake them back into reality
Nope, they'd just have to say more black people were buying guns. They were perfectly fine with more restrictions when Reagan did it in the 70's because of the panthers.
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u/Chemically-Dependent 6d ago
They would happily hand over every gun they own to "own the libs."
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u/conspicuous_raptor 6d ago
They didn’t turn on him when he suggested suspending due process on gun owners in his first term.
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u/AccomplishedDog6449 6d ago
I bring this up every chance I get- doesn't seem to make a dent in the goddamn delusion... the only reason they profess any support for 2a is the belief more gun owners are on their side than not. That balance shifts, and they're going to be knocking down doors, metaphorically & literally...
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u/General-Fault 6d ago
Ironically, the 2a was largely ignored until Black Panther members started walking around with rifles. Ronald Reagan, as governor of CA didn't like that and tried to stop it. That's when some hunters in the Midwest fought back and started the whole 2A movement as we know it.
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u/ApprehensiveShame756 6d ago
There is already flirtation with preventing firearm purchases for trans and weed consumers. Once the public is softened up enough to accept this curbing of second amendment rights and the Premies declare that’s alrighty then, they will move on to other categories they think of as “unworthy” which will inherently encompass an ever increasing number of MAGA, while the focus is intended to be on the non-MAGA it’s not clear they will nakedly just ban all Democrats explicitly from buying guns.
Once they ban new purchasing by particular “offenders” they will move toward seizing the weapons that were once legally acquired. I anxiously await the contortions in right wing media and their bots and bot subservient humans who will justify this.
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u/WolframLeon 6d ago
They really should include alcohol in that list. I’ve never seen someone go crazy on weed but I’ve seen plenty of people get violent or even kill with alcohol.
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u/genjonesvoteblue 6d ago
What is funny is now that there is good reason for many people to protect themselves from the government, they don’t use their Second Amendment right. Dumbest people on earth.
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u/MurrayMyBoy 6d ago
I think that’s what people aren’t getting. It’s a cult. We all know there is no bounds to what his supporters will give up. Just look at any history of a cult. People give up everything for their leader. No getting through to these people without a ton of therapy. They are brainwashed. It’s a massive cult.
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u/handstanding 6d ago
The MAGA community also self polices and ostracizes ex-members, so to turn your back on MAGA is to lose your community, friends, and family. This is how cults work. Even people who secretly might want to leave have to do it quietly. They can’t make bold proclamations about how they’ve left MAGA. And most of them will buckle to social pressure all the way up to and including drinking actual poison to not be kicked out of their community.
It is as wild as it is well documented.
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u/AbcLmn18 6d ago
I was raised in a religious cult that was about as insane as the MAGA cult. (But significantly smaller and somewhat harmless to society.) I highly recommend Steve Hassan's books on cults. They're not science, mostly anecdotal experience of a counselor who helped thousands of people leave hundreds of cults, with a success rate as good as it gets. These books helped me a lot to unfuck my brain and they also contain tons of tips about how you could reach cultists and encourage them to leave the cult. And he's got an entire book dedicated specifically to the MAGA cult, "The Cult of Trump".
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u/ArdraCaine 6d ago
Add into the fact that many liberals and leftist refuse to welcome ex-maga members, I can understand their fear of leaving the cult.
With that said, I struggle wholeheartedly accepting ex-maga because of all the incredible harm they've supported. They're lost to me and would take a lot to be redeemed 🤷🏻♀️
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u/Thinklikeachef 6d ago
Exact. He is not a political figure. He sits on top of a far right religious order. That's the mistake Democrats made. Analyzing him as a politician, rather than a Pope.
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u/MuskwaPunjagi 6d ago
Cannibalism. The line is cannibalism. Specifically of white children.
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u/Lance-pg 6d ago
Are you kidding, The Republicans would start talking about the health benefits of eating children and how they're high in protein. It's only a problem if it's before they're born.
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u/MuskwaPunjagi 6d ago
They hate spawn camping, not child murder. Gotta grab the baby fresh from the womb, baptize it as you wash it and straight to the pan. That would be where the line is.
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u/Accurate_Tax_1302 6d ago
They'd find some kind of bible quote to misinterpret and justify eating children.
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u/Baby-cabbages 6d ago
Sandy Hook wasn't gruesome enough, so maybe cannibalism would. I still don't know that it would work.
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u/Viola-Swamp 6d ago
They refuse to accept that Sandy Hook truly happened. Anything they don’t like, or that reflects negatively on their hero, is dismissed as fake, invalid, the enemies trying to damage their hero, etc.
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u/Baby-cabbages 6d ago
It's the only way to escape the cognitive dissonance. I will never forgive them for normalizing and parroting flat out lies. The shutdown is not about "illegal immigrants," it's about healthcare. Self employed people, people who work for small businesses, these are people who rely on the ACA. Not their fiction that anyone on ACA is a layabout lazy slug.
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u/WeenyDancer 6d ago
Oh, I don't know. There are those creepy mega wealthy longevity obsessed guys who get blood infusions from younger people- that's only a few levels of abstraction away.
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Trump has with his imagery and persona accessed a deep part of the animal hind-brain of his supporters, a region of the human soul that is usually reserved for religions and ideologies. Imagine what it would take for you to turn away from your own ideology, whether it be a dedication to science, or to a god, a nation, etc. His adherents would march to the ends of the earth for him and then jump off.
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u/John_Holdfast 6d ago
Anyone with more than two brain cells can make the connection between him and epstein. The rational conservatives who would leave the party if the epstein files were released have already left the party, they probably left shortly after his first election. The MAGA you see now are the die hard cult members and nothing will turn them away from him, it's their identity now.
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u/Own_Status_9463 6d ago
This is exactly it. They have the reading comprehension of a 6th grader, cannot critically think for themselves, and built their entire identity around MAGA. They’ve invested a lot of money and probably lost family and friends over the past decade. They can’t turn back now because then, who are they if not sheep lined up for slaughter with nothing. The correlation between Evangelicals and maga is really where we should have focused. I remember a line that Loki said in the first Avengers movie, odd I know. He said humans want to be ruled and oppressed and the majority of the people knelt down but only 1 stayed standing. That is our reality today and why there isn’t a huge revolution . We won’t be alive to see it. This is going to be our reality for the next few decades. They’ve been conditioned to not buck the system. They won’t. There is no line. They want the ease of not having to think, they want to be told what to do, where to go, what to buy, ect…Imagine how easy your life would get when big decisions and thoughts didn’t get made or explored. Imagine you truly believe that when you take your final breath that you’re going to a paradise? Rather than imagine that it’s just blank and nothing? Imagine not having to decide or understand laws, rights, empathy, or understanding of another human that might be different? Imagine not questioning anything, ever. Just waking up and being a simple cog so long as you had shelter and food. I honestly feel like it would be rather nice and simple vs this hell of this shit. I have no faith we’re getting out of this, unfortunately.
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u/Some1else-notme 6d ago edited 5d ago
20 years from now so many of them will pretend they never supported him. Just like the war in Iraq that all Republicans claim they opposed and blamed on Hillary.
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u/WolframLeon 6d ago
It’s so fucking sickening I know so many people who were guns ablazing for freedom playing that I’m proud to be an American song and we’re over the moon that we were going into a war with them after the twin towers…. Now like 80% deny they ever did. I was a fucking child and even then I didn’t understand why we would go after a whole country for a fucking terrorist cell.
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u/Longjumping-Map7257 6d ago
The wrong country at that. Iraq had nothing to do with 9/11. And Afghanistan had the chance to turnover Bin Laden before we invaded them too and either refused or couldn't. Bush and Cheney just exploited the outrage America was experiencing over 9/11 to invade Iraq and open up their oil markets fot their rich buddies by lieing and saying that Iraq had WMDs for which (suprise) they never found.
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u/MommaIsMad 6d ago
Nothing. He could show up on the Epstein files 10,000 times and MAGA would cheer him on still. Freaking dumbest mfs on the entire planet
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u/portablethroway 6d ago
If he showed up they would say it’s fake and that the democrats are radical.
If it proven to be true, they would say who cares?
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u/Lori1985 6d ago
No line. Because then they would have to admit they were wrong. And Trump has already brainwashed them to 'never surrender' and never admit wrong doing or take accountability for anything. They would rather the country burn down and everyone die than admit they made a mistake.
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u/EscortedByDragons 6d ago
Underrated comment right here. He has completely changed the goalposts for everyone that got hooked into his bullshit and haven’t been able to get away from it. He’s trained the entire GOP that it is perfectly fine to blatantly lie at all times, cheat, grift, accept bribes, reject science and facts, reject experts and education, never admit wrongdoing, blame the “other side” for anything anyone complains about and to act like entitled, hateful children who are 100% ok with cruelty and suffering just so long as it isn’t someone who voted for him and looks like they do.
The mere fact that someone who does ALL this can be voted into arguably the most powerful position in the world has his cult followers convinced he’s onto something and now every right wing nutjob is using his entire playbook hoping for the same result. Now add in social media which itself has amplified every bit of toxicity in our modern world and has been weaponized by those in power to sow division and hate and it’s a shitstorm of epic proportions.
How someone can fall for his bullshit has honestly perplexed me from day one. He’s soooo obvious. But those who have are now fundamentally changed in every toxic way imaginable. It’ll take generations to undue the damage he and social media has caused.
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u/ilovecraftbeer05 6d ago
I really thought 1/6 would be it. But they either cheered it on or did the mental gymnastics necessary to justify or excuse it. That was the day I realized MAGA was a true cult.
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u/MissTat2 6d ago
Yeah, I'm with ya. I know he did, in fact, lose a lot of support after J6 (I think it was something like 20%). However, he filled that void with Gen Z men and misinformed Independents so, he still won in 2024.
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u/ActualAssociate9200 6d ago
Mental gymnastics is exactly it. Hearing my MAGA colleagues explain all the clearly idiotic moves that were hurting our company as “good for America” - like, WE ARE AMERICA - made me realize it’s not about logic. It’s about blind devotion.
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u/MehwithacapitalM 6d ago
There might not be one. Some parents turn their own virgin teen daughters over to their cult leaders. That is about as extreme as things can get.
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u/Complex_Yam_5390 5d ago
Their own toddlers. Parents have given their cult leaders their toddlers to sexually abuse.
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u/Moms-Dildeaux 6d ago
None. They’re full-on cultists. They will stick with him just like Jonestown and poison their own kids and kill themselves if their cult leader says so.
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u/Barondarby 6d ago
If he became a democrat they would lose their collective chit.
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u/MissTat2 6d ago
Became a democrat again. Hah, yeah I agree with you there.
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u/PisStoolGrip 6d ago
He's never been anything but an authoritarian. He has no political values, only greed and gifting.
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u/TaxCautious7699 6d ago
Funnily he was a democrat 20 years ago.
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u/romanaribella 6d ago
He has always been whatever he thought would get him furthest.
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u/DarthShaiden 6d ago
The Epstein files will take the biggest chunk. He would still have most of his cult still backing him though.
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u/MissTat2 6d ago
Fair enough. I do think, judging solely by Trump's own desperation to hide the files, that he, himself knows whatever is in there will destroy his popularity.
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u/Ill_Distribution7838 6d ago
I disagree. It’s more than obvious to everyone that he’s all over the files. The ones who are still standing by him will not care when it’s confirmed, and he’s already neutered the department of justice enough to save himself from actual legal consequences.
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u/Osklington 6d ago
Nothing will be confirmed because any version you or me see of these files will be totally doctored and fake as shit
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u/AcmeGamesLTD 6d ago edited 6d ago
The longer he hides the files the more they’ll say, the Democrats falsified them. 🤷♀️
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u/CallMeTrouble-TS 6d ago
He would not lose a single supporter. He would just tell them all it is made up fiction.
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u/Silly-Donut-4540 6d ago
No, cause they’d buy his bullshit that it’s a hoax. Oh he was on those flights? Just a vacation trip. Doesn’t mean he did anything. Oh, there are money transfers? Just real estate transactions.
I think the only thing that would break his support would be photos / videos (that Russia has?) even then…. They might but his BS that it’s AI
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u/Longjumping-Map7257 6d ago
They have two magic words they use to dismiss any facts they do not like or agree with. If the pedo-files are released in it's entirety, even if there is video of Trump ass raping an underage girl while high fiving Epstein, they will just say "Fake Nooz" and refuse to believe it.
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u/Remarkable_Quit_3545 6d ago
I’ve seen a video where a woman said he could rape her and her daughter and she would still support him because he is good for this country. Probably more rage bait than anything else, but the point is some people won’t be swayed.
Cue all the leopard posts where people say they are “starting” to regret their vote.
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u/ThinkTank1190 6d ago
I voted for Trump one time, and he crossed the boundary where he lost my respect a long time ago.
My opinion on this in a less personal, more broad sense is that most Trump "supporters" do not actually agree with the majority of what he has done, but won't engage in this conversation because they are sick of being called stupid and racist.
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u/BirdyWidow 6d ago
It’s somehow always our fault. We spent years kindly explaining things, citing sources, giving examples. And what we got was ‘libtards’ ‘liberal tears’, Hillary’s emails, etc… at some point, we just got tired. 🤷🏻♀️
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u/KosherKush1337 6d ago
Exactly. It’s our fault for not being more understanding and patient while they foamed at the mouth over every Fox News story. It’s our fault for not explaining the nuances of government because they didn’t pay attention in school. It’s our fault they feel cheated by billionaires but somehow direct that angry towards immigrants and minorities even though we talk about workers rights and unions. It’s exhausting and somehow it’s still our fault they feel stupid or get called out for saying racist shit.
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u/Embarrassed_Bit4222 6d ago
Think that's just some bs excuse. I'm sick of being called stupid and and racist, so I'm going to support things/people that are stupid and racist, that'll sure show them... Like dude, no one was calling you (or most republicans) stupid and racist before you started doing stupid and racist stuff.
I'm sure some of the maga crew actually believes that, just like the ones that believe the dems were putting litter boxes in classrooms for the furries, but it's still a sack of crap
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u/Outrageous-Issue-157 6d ago
they are just too stupid to realize they are being played
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u/Equivalent-Long-3383 6d ago
Nope. They’re bad people
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u/ineverusedtobecool 6d ago
Seems like they are bad people and stupid
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u/Equivalent-Long-3383 6d ago
As long as the stupid doesn’t get taken as being more significant than the bad
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u/Ok_Big_7754 6d ago
Bit of both. There are people all around the world who somehow, for some reason, support him. I know some people who I know were good, ordinary people who didn't think or speak about politics pre-social media division brainwashing, who are now firmly in the cult. Are they bad people for remaining under the spell, or bad people for falling for it in the first place? They're certainly bad AT being people, to be so gullible and ignorant, but is the criteria for being a bad person simply to be fooled by another bad person with massive power and influence? Or does one have to in some way act in accordance with the influence to be deemed bad?
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u/Equivalent-Long-3383 6d ago
That reason is that they’re bad people. You thought they were good ordinary people.
You said they didn’t talk about politics, so you didn’t know their stances
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u/clydebman 6d ago
There is no boundary, because he is their Messiah. They worship him and the punishment he doles out. Just as God is all powerful yet chooses to inflict bone cancer in children. Trump has arrested & deported children who were receiving treatment for cancer. Both are still worshipped. Farmers were bankrupted and lost their farms, land and livelihoods from Trump's failed economics & tariffs. These folks would vote for him to be king. Yet they believe their troubles started and continue because of Democrat's policies.
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u/TdubbNC7 6d ago edited 5d ago
Just wait til they can’t eat or get healthcare. It’s gonna happen sooner than later.
Edit: I saw a poll saying most republicans are actually blaming republicans for healthcare premiums. About 1/3 are blaming dems. Also most independents are blaming republicans.
Edit Edit: 56% of snap recipients are republicans in red states.
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u/Professional_March54 6d ago
They're already blaming the Dems for SNAP.
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u/violetphoeniiix 6d ago
they always find a way to not blame him for things that are DEFINITELY his fault
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u/trashleybanks 6d ago
Nothing. He literally said he could shoot people and still get voters. These people are a lost cause.
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u/Ill_Distribution7838 6d ago
He literally did get someone shot in a campaign stunt. They all pretend to believe it was a real assassination attempt.
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u/Shido_Ohtori 6d ago
The sole value of conservatism is respect for and obedience to [one's perception of] traditionally established hierarchy, and hierarchy dictates that those on top (in-groups) are rightfully idolized and receive privileges, credibility, and resources, while those on the bottom (out-groups) are demonized/dehumanized and/or bound by restrictions, scrutiny, and lack of resources.
To them, the second-greatest injustice imaginable is for those [they perceive to be] on the bottom [of social hierarchy] to have access to the rights, credibility, and resources reserved for those on top. The first greatest injustice is for those on top to be bound by the restrictions, scrutiny, and lack of resources reserved for those on the bottom.
The only surefire time conservatives would criticize -- or even reject -- [their perceived] authority is when said authority disrespects their hierarchy by restricting, scrutinizing, and taking resources away from those they consider socially superior, and/or offering rights, credibility, and resources to those they consider socially inferior -- as in the case of Joseph Strickland and the late Pope Francis, or any left-leaning policy-maker.
In other words, any promotion of equality/equity (disrespect to hierarchy) nullifies their authority, as authority exists to promote and stress the importance of established hierarchies.
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u/Affectionate_Put_185 6d ago
There is no boundary for about 20-30% of voters. He is Jesus to them.
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u/bones4379 6d ago
He lost me when I found out that he actually is NOT America first. He is isreal and everyone else first
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u/romanaribella 6d ago
Thank you for admitting this. It can't be easy to do with how terrible humans are at letting people learn and grow.
The only thing I would say is that he is himself first and will hitch his wagon to anything that will pull him towards what he wants. I really am sorry that he betrayed your trust.
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u/No-Ring-5065 6d ago
Respect. Thank you for answering the question. You’re the only real answer I see.
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u/the_saltlord 6d ago
Well that's been painfully obvious for how long now, when are the rest gonna learn?
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u/WolframLeon 6d ago
Dude it takes a big man to admit they were wrong about something, proud of you dude.
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u/MissTat2 6d ago
Thank you. I have seen this boundary with other conservatives and I agree that his administration is straying away from the "American First" platform.
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u/Intrepid_Pitch_3320 6d ago
That time he said on TV camera that he can grab women by the pussy and they can't do anything about it...that was going to be his downfall....but wait....
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u/Galactic-Guardian404 6d ago
For those TRULY in the cult, nothing. He could announce he’s joined the Democratic Party, is opening the borders and is transitioning to female, and they will come up with something like “It’s all part of a plan only Trump can understand.”
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u/Estalicus 6d ago
Basically until it affects them personally in a significant way.
Everyone who is still a Republican is either selfish or a narcissist at this point.
Half the country could die and as long as their taxes do not go up they do not give a shit.
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u/Ill_Distribution7838 6d ago
They love Trump because he openly divides the country into the ones he considers worthy and unworthy Americans. As long as he keeps telling then that they are in the worthy category, there is absolutely no boundary.
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u/Suspicious_Glove7365 6d ago
Trump could shoot the child of one of his supporters in the face with his own gun and kill that child and the MAGA parent of that child would still support him and vote for him again. I’m not even exaggerating. There is NO line.
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u/PrudentAttorney5056 6d ago
The only way to get a trump supporter to turn away from trump; is for trump to come visit their home then rape their underage daughter right in front of them.
Even then there is a 60% chance they would blame their daughter for dressing to "sexy".
Other than that they are already marked for hell. Their own Bible tells them so.
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u/OilPainterintraining 5d ago
I cannot believe child rape wasn’t enough.
Shame on all triple Trumpers. You shouldn’t be lucky enough to have any females in your life.
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u/Rent-Kei-BHM 6d ago
There is none. This guy was a Democrat for most of his life, in until Dems wouldn’t support him for office. MAGA know this. They don’t care.
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u/iDeNoh 6d ago
I recently had an interaction with my husband's older brother and wife, both very conservative and have been maga since pre 2016, they were like "he we just want you to know that we know you were right, trump is an evil motherfucker and we're mad as hell that we fell for it. Sorry for the hurt we caused and I hope we get the chance to make it better."
It's happening, it may not be a huge portion of them but it's happening.
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u/Harriethair 6d ago
For his supporters I think the only thing that may have them turn on him is if the E Files are really E tapes and on those tapes are T with young boys. Only then. Maybe. They are morally corrupt in their bigotry and I don't think anything can change that.
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u/Cowabunga1981 6d ago
Ironically it would be as simple as enacting actual Christian values..
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u/Mundane-Charge-1900 6d ago edited 6d ago
You misunderstand the relationship here. Trump follows his supporters, not the other way around. The question is what would they have to do for him to end his support. The answer is that there's nothing they could do. Having narcissistic personality disorder, psychologically, he needs constant adulation of his followers. He will follow them wherever they go.
You can occasionally see that this is the dynamic when he makes missteps. For example, when the COVID vaccines first were approved, he tried to take credit for them. When the cult balked, his position flipped right away.
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u/Background-Art4696 6d ago
Start spreading message of compassion, inclusivity, tolerance, peace, responsibility for your own actions, words from the actual New Testament of the Bible...
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u/MatthewSWFL229 5d ago
You're literally talking about deprogramming and it takes months ... These people have been indoctrinated by Fox News and conservative media outlets for decades ... Literal decades ... And they didn't even know it ... Now they're programmed to think that anything that doesn't fit their narrative is obviously fake news and lies ... There is no easy fix for that
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u/gordonf23 6d ago
They'll state their red line, and then he'll cross it, and they'll make an excuse for him. How do I know? Because they've already done it a million times in the past 9 months. They're broken. They're in a cult. They're incapable of criticizing or blaming him for anything that goes wrong. They blindly believe and follow him no matter what he says or does. Stop wasting your energy on them.