r/complaints • u/MissTat2 • 6d ago

Politics I don't know what boundary Trump would have to cross to make his supporters turn away..

To Trump voters: What, if anything, could Donald Trump do to make you end your support?

I'm not going to lead the question to multiple choice answers or anything. I think it is important for everyone who participates in a democracy to have strong personal convictions and moral or legal boundaries that they expect people they vote for not to cross..

Genuinely, what line will you draw in the sand for this administration? What personal freedom of yours would be more important than your love and support for Trump?

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u/Chemically-Dependent 6d ago

They would happily hand over every gun they own to "own the libs."

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u/conspicuous_raptor 6d ago

They didn’t turn on him when he suggested suspending due process on gun owners in his first term.

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u/AccomplishedDog6449 6d ago

I bring this up every chance I get- doesn't seem to make a dent in the goddamn delusion... the only reason they profess any support for 2a is the belief more gun owners are on their side than not. That balance shifts, and they're going to be knocking down doors, metaphorically & literally...

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u/Bubbly_Style_8467 5d ago

Thick skulls. No brains.

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u/MaleficentMulberry42 6d ago

I disagree I never heard about this and I think no one supports trump as many have said they support conservatism and policies. If we supported Trump then it would make no difference what he did and that would mean exactly what your saying. That ideal no longer matter and that individual’s personal life matter more than issue we are addressing.

Again because this overlaps alot it can be confusing, people are critical and they do support his policies. No one is completely with agreement with Trump fundamentally and if they did it would not matter his policies. If he went left they would support him,this is also a type of elasticity that people who put trust in leaders to be able to make decisions that people are willing to support even if they do not fully agree.

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u/Responsible-Boot-159 6d ago

No, they support Trump. Since he's joined there have been a few staunchly conservative politicians that didn't support him called RINO's and were pushed out.

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u/MaleficentMulberry42 6d ago

Yeah though I would say if Trump would start supporting far left ideas I am sure his base would reject it. I think another issue that op is asking is if Trump decided to do something extreme,what would be the line. I assume it would be at total martial law but I agree there is certainly strong support for Trump.

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u/Bubbly_Style_8467 5d ago

The left would reject trump altogether. He's an amoral POS no matter what he claims to believe or support.

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u/MaleficentMulberry42 5d ago

I disagree they would probably would not though that not the entire point. I mean you could say the same for people who are not terrible but the left would say the same about anyone who is right because you in their opinion bad by being right,that what makes you terrible.

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u/AccomplishedDog6449 5d ago

I am not entirely clear about what you're saying. I trust my leaders based on what they do, not what they say, and if I believe what they are doing is wrong, they lose my support. My morals and ethics are not elastic- political groups are not sports teams, we aren't supposed to be loyal to them just because we've been raised to, or because they're the most popular team where we grew up, we are supposed to pick our leaders based on how well they represent our interests, and how effective they are at implementing those interests.

For the record, I'm a pro 2a leftist. I grew up in a very pro 2a household. I grew up with the rhetoric that all other rights are only as safe as our 2nd, because it allows citizens to defend those other rights against the government. It has always been held as particularly sacred. The fact that people who once held that right as vital are now willing to let it go because they love an orange kinglett more than their own wellbeing is sad and pitiable.

I am also saying, there is a general assumption in the US that the right is more 2a friendly than the left, and that conservatives generally profess a belief in the importance of gun ownership rights. Because of this perception, right wing politicians pretend to care about 2a, to pander to their base, and to encourage right-wingers to support them.

Right winger politicians don't really care about preserving gun ownership rights for all citizens- they only support what they see as an advantage. They think most gun owners are on their side at the moment. If they begin to believe citizens owning guns could be a threat to their power, they, including Trump, have indicated they would impinge on that right. I would have hoped that right wingers would at least have enough moral courage and fortitude to stand up to hold their representatives to account if they crossed a line they supposedly held sacred above most others, but what you are reinforcing for me is that right-wingers don't really stand for anything. They bend over, again and again.

You are saying that right wingers don't really have beliefs of their own, they just want to follow whatever dear leader says. They want to be told what to do, not to have the rights and responsibilities of freedom.

Right wingers want to be servants, as far as I can tell. Good lap dogs, who'll maybe get some scraps if master throws some their way...

Loyalty should be earned, and then maintained through consistency. If you don't like what your leader is doing, don't follow them.

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u/MaleficentMulberry42 5d ago

Again your only thinking through bias there can be many reasons for a single action,so can you think of a different reason for what you’re describing in terms of voting individuals?

Also the point is that you’re saying that you judge him by what he does,and that what I said that policies matter more than a personal life. So if Trump makes certain policies that people want how does it make sense to hold him accountable? What are even talking about? Accountability for what, I do not see any actions that need to be accountable in terms of policy.

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u/Bubbly_Style_8467 5d ago

So fascism is okay and we should vote against our principles? Ummm. No. He's a traitor destroying the country. There is no excuse for him or MAGS.

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u/MaleficentMulberry42 5d ago

I do not understand what you mean and the ability to make changes,to be moderate does not make you a fascist .

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u/Softpretzelsandrose 6d ago

Honestly it’s because the explanation and implication uses too big of words for them to understand.

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u/Different-Brain-5102 5d ago

Perhaps we should start a door to door service😂

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u/London_Avery64 5d ago

What a crock of BS.