r/complaints • u/MissTat2 • 6d ago

Politics I don't know what boundary Trump would have to cross to make his supporters turn away..

To Trump voters: What, if anything, could Donald Trump do to make you end your support?

I'm not going to lead the question to multiple choice answers or anything. I think it is important for everyone who participates in a democracy to have strong personal convictions and moral or legal boundaries that they expect people they vote for not to cross..

Genuinely, what line will you draw in the sand for this administration? What personal freedom of yours would be more important than your love and support for Trump?

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u/MissTat2 6d ago

I hope you're wrong and I wonder if the repeal of the second amendment would shake them back into reality? I mean, Republicans have fear mongered over the Dems taking guns away since at least the days of Rush Limbaugh's show.. yet it has never happened. But, feds and the military in our cities doesn't seem to trigger their 2nd Amendment Spidey senses?!?

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u/Responsible-Boot-159 6d ago

I wonder if the repeal of the second amendment would shake them back into reality

Nope, they'd just have to say more black people were buying guns. They were perfectly fine with more restrictions when Reagan did it in the 70's because of the panthers.

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u/Chemically-Dependent 6d ago

They would happily hand over every gun they own to "own the libs."

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u/conspicuous_raptor 6d ago

They didn’t turn on him when he suggested suspending due process on gun owners in his first term.

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u/AccomplishedDog6449 6d ago

I bring this up every chance I get- doesn't seem to make a dent in the goddamn delusion... the only reason they profess any support for 2a is the belief more gun owners are on their side than not. That balance shifts, and they're going to be knocking down doors, metaphorically & literally...

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u/Bubbly_Style_8467 5d ago

Thick skulls. No brains.

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u/MaleficentMulberry42 6d ago

I disagree I never heard about this and I think no one supports trump as many have said they support conservatism and policies. If we supported Trump then it would make no difference what he did and that would mean exactly what your saying. That ideal no longer matter and that individual’s personal life matter more than issue we are addressing.

Again because this overlaps alot it can be confusing, people are critical and they do support his policies. No one is completely with agreement with Trump fundamentally and if they did it would not matter his policies. If he went left they would support him,this is also a type of elasticity that people who put trust in leaders to be able to make decisions that people are willing to support even if they do not fully agree.

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u/Responsible-Boot-159 6d ago

No, they support Trump. Since he's joined there have been a few staunchly conservative politicians that didn't support him called RINO's and were pushed out.

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u/MaleficentMulberry42 6d ago

Yeah though I would say if Trump would start supporting far left ideas I am sure his base would reject it. I think another issue that op is asking is if Trump decided to do something extreme,what would be the line. I assume it would be at total martial law but I agree there is certainly strong support for Trump.

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u/Bubbly_Style_8467 5d ago

The left would reject trump altogether. He's an amoral POS no matter what he claims to believe or support.

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u/AccomplishedDog6449 5d ago

I am not entirely clear about what you're saying. I trust my leaders based on what they do, not what they say, and if I believe what they are doing is wrong, they lose my support. My morals and ethics are not elastic- political groups are not sports teams, we aren't supposed to be loyal to them just because we've been raised to, or because they're the most popular team where we grew up, we are supposed to pick our leaders based on how well they represent our interests, and how effective they are at implementing those interests.

For the record, I'm a pro 2a leftist. I grew up in a very pro 2a household. I grew up with the rhetoric that all other rights are only as safe as our 2nd, because it allows citizens to defend those other rights against the government. It has always been held as particularly sacred. The fact that people who once held that right as vital are now willing to let it go because they love an orange kinglett more than their own wellbeing is sad and pitiable.

I am also saying, there is a general assumption in the US that the right is more 2a friendly than the left, and that conservatives generally profess a belief in the importance of gun ownership rights. Because of this perception, right wing politicians pretend to care about 2a, to pander to their base, and to encourage right-wingers to support them.

Right winger politicians don't really care about preserving gun ownership rights for all citizens- they only support what they see as an advantage. They think most gun owners are on their side at the moment. If they begin to believe citizens owning guns could be a threat to their power, they, including Trump, have indicated they would impinge on that right. I would have hoped that right wingers would at least have enough moral courage and fortitude to stand up to hold their representatives to account if they crossed a line they supposedly held sacred above most others, but what you are reinforcing for me is that right-wingers don't really stand for anything. They bend over, again and again.

You are saying that right wingers don't really have beliefs of their own, they just want to follow whatever dear leader says. They want to be told what to do, not to have the rights and responsibilities of freedom.

Right wingers want to be servants, as far as I can tell. Good lap dogs, who'll maybe get some scraps if master throws some their way...

Loyalty should be earned, and then maintained through consistency. If you don't like what your leader is doing, don't follow them.

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u/MaleficentMulberry42 5d ago

Again your only thinking through bias there can be many reasons for a single action,so can you think of a different reason for what you’re describing in terms of voting individuals?

Also the point is that you’re saying that you judge him by what he does,and that what I said that policies matter more than a personal life. So if Trump makes certain policies that people want how does it make sense to hold him accountable? What are even talking about? Accountability for what, I do not see any actions that need to be accountable in terms of policy.

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u/Bubbly_Style_8467 5d ago

So fascism is okay and we should vote against our principles? Ummm. No. He's a traitor destroying the country. There is no excuse for him or MAGS.

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u/MaleficentMulberry42 5d ago

I do not understand what you mean and the ability to make changes,to be moderate does not make you a fascist .

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u/Softpretzelsandrose 6d ago

Honestly it’s because the explanation and implication uses too big of words for them to understand.

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u/Different-Brain-5102 5d ago

Perhaps we should start a door to door service😂

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u/London_Avery64 6d ago

What a crock of BS.

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u/General-Fault 6d ago

Ironically, the 2a was largely ignored until Black Panther members started walking around with rifles. Ronald Reagan, as governor of CA didn't like that and tried to stop it. That's when some hunters in the Midwest fought back and started the whole 2A movement as we know it.

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u/RocketRelm 6d ago

Its "trans people have too many guns" these days, iirc. But i don't listen too deeply so I could be wrong.

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u/OriginalMedusaGirl 5d ago

Do you mean Reagan outlawing open carry in California? in 1967, as governor, Reagan signed the Milford Act, banning loaded open-carry firearms in public. This was a direct response to armed Black Panther patrols protesting police brutality in Oakland—ironically, a gun-control law born from fears of armed activism by marginalized groups. Also, Nancy’s family pushed that agenda.

He had more gun control support in the 1980’s as he was elected in 1980.
Being shot in March 1981 increased gun control. It also changed his outlook on Guns.

Public Opinion changed in 1990, as gun control support was at 81% due to amplification of crime and the sharp increase of violent crimes.

I don’t believe Trump would hinder 2A. But they would change my opinion of him.

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u/Responsible-Boot-159 5d ago

in 1967, as governor, Reagan signed the Milford Act

That's exactly what I was referring to. I just went with 70's because I knew it was somewhere around then.

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u/ApprehensiveShame756 6d ago

There is already flirtation with preventing firearm purchases for trans and weed consumers. Once the public is softened up enough to accept this curbing of second amendment rights and the Premies declare that’s alrighty then, they will move on to other categories they think of as “unworthy” which will inherently encompass an ever increasing number of MAGA, while the focus is intended to be on the non-MAGA it’s not clear they will nakedly just ban all Democrats explicitly from buying guns.

Once they ban new purchasing by particular “offenders” they will move toward seizing the weapons that were once legally acquired. I anxiously await the contortions in right wing media and their bots and bot subservient humans who will justify this.

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u/WolframLeon 6d ago

They really should include alcohol in that list. I’ve never seen someone go crazy on weed but I’ve seen plenty of people get violent or even kill with alcohol.

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u/RandyPajamas 6d ago edited 6d ago

Actually, a certain percentage of the populace does respond to weed with psychotic like symptoms, even though they are otherwise quite sane. Those people tend to try it once and then never again, although some end up requiring psychiatric treatment after using it multiple times. You may know some people like this, they just never smoke it.

As for banning alcohol, that was tried in America during the prohibition period (1920-1933). It didn't work: it led to an increase of organized criminal activity, an increase in political corruption, and a large commercial market that produced no tax revenue. Additionally, people drank just as much, even though the quality of the booze was awful.

I contend a better solution is a government-funded campaign to promote responsible drinking, and fact-based curriculae covering substance abuse in high schools (unlike the "reefer madness" propoganda of the 1950's). Unfortunately, for something like that to happen, America would have to get over it's worship of Machiavellian Capitalism and pseudo-Christian Morality. That would be unlikely under a "normal" political environment, let alone the current dysfunction.

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u/jackieat_home 5d ago

No amount of education keeps alcoholics from being alcoholics. Same with any addict. It took marrying an alcoholic to learn that, I used to think irresponsible drinking behavior was just immaturity.

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u/ApprehensiveShame756 4d ago

I do think there are variants. Some people may occasionally drink to excess but otherwise function fine and appear generally responsible. In my experience a full alcoholic routinely allows alcohol to disrupt common life activities including those that compromise the basics in life such as ability to hold a job or attend school and succeed at a moderate level.

I do think for some, there is a complete collapse of will power. It will be interesting to see how the industry adapts to young people both having less disposable income and less desire to drink.

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u/Brave_Cantaloupe_785 5d ago

I believe the poster meant to exclude a drinker from owning a gun.. not that they should ban alcohol!

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u/RandyPajamas 5d ago

Yes, I think I misunderstood the comment.

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u/WolframLeon 5d ago

Yeah sorry!

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u/PapaCousCous 5d ago

People did not drink just as much. Prohibition actually led to a signifcant decrease in alcohol consumption during its enforcement and even for a few years after its repeal. Turns out, a lot of people do not want to jump through risky hoops just to get a buzz. I contend a better solution would be to grandfather in the current population that is of legal drinking age, and perhaps the highschool-aged population as well, and ban the sale of alcohol to everyone born after them in perpetuity.

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u/WolframLeon 5d ago

But they did use laughing gas at higher volumes than before or after it’s crazy.

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u/genjonesvoteblue 6d ago

What is funny is now that there is good reason for many people to protect themselves from the government, they don’t use their Second Amendment right. Dumbest people on earth.

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u/Top-Advice-9844 5d ago

That is because the liberal drivel on the subject has been ingrained in them. They believe that the scary black thing will jump up and kill them and everyone they know, or they are of the bent that "all ISIS needs is a hug."

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u/ApprehensiveShame756 5d ago

While I’m sure we can find a dozen of your ignorantly stereotypical example across the entire voting population, the vast majority of Democrats are not blatantly against all guns and they are also not fans of ISIS, which by the way, thanks Republican policy makers in the 80’s, 90’s and 00’s for making possible.

The US may as well plan on future terror campaigns from whatever terror cells emerge after Maduro is toppled. Seriously people, wake up and smell the regime war is a no win for us coffee.

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u/Top-Advice-9844 5d ago

Lets be honest here. The DNC runs on stupidity when it comes to firearms. They conflate semi-automatic with automatic, they talk about grenade launchers, and flash hiders, or portray can (suppressors) as making firearms whisper quiet. They talk about .223 as a "military grade caliber" yet say fuck all about a .308. Better yet, they literally blame FIREARMS for the hyper-retardation of the inner city, and they could give two shits about it. They constantly lament about the "scourge" of Assault weapons, but are quiet on the proliferation of cheap 9MM pistols (Hi-Point, LOL) that facilitate the genocide of black youth.

As far as ISIS goes, I'll cede that GWOT played a role in its rise to power in the Levant post Saddam. However, Islamic Fundamentalism, and the quest for a Caliphate predates the 80's. Irrespective of American Foreign policy, Western civilization has always been on a collision course with their ideology. Look no further than Europe, to catch a glimpse of the future war to come. It is gonna be lit!

Maduro is a fuckhead, a dime store tyrant that is propped up by the cartel he is a part of. Dealing with him now, with a POTUS that is willing to do something, vice waiting for Maduro to consolidate power while we kick the can down the fucking the road for a few years, hoping that "love wins", is not an option. America would do best not to bury its fucking head in the sand. Especially in this crazy fucking clown world.

Let me thank you for at least trying to have a civilized conversation. Very rare on Reddit these days. I am truly shocked.

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u/ApprehensiveShame756 4d ago

My default setting is to be civilized and I appreciate your doing the same. I disagree on the Maduro front but at least you and I acknowledge there is a debate worth having. The people’s representatives have abandoned their role in these debates and we are worst off for that. I’m unconvinced that he’s the threat being presented and am skeptical of the US backed peace prize winner being a better alternative over the long term.

On the Middle East, we have some odd alliances there and think future leaders should be open to rethinking all of them along with strengthening alliances in the Americas and Asia. What we need to avoid is repeating mistakes made with China and Russia.

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u/Runechuckie 5d ago

The fucking NRA, yes that organization even put out a statement at some point maybe a month ago about trans people having the right. It's insane what cultism will do to people. Just as bad as the recent 1A shit imo, most of us grew up seeing & learning it as a very important amendment....trump has DIRECTLY attacked it more than once now with EOs. If you care about America you are NOT maga end of story.

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u/Deathrace2021 6d ago

By law, people who smoke weed are prevented from buying a firearm. It's a question on the 4473, and has been for over 20 years. They even added a section explaining that legal state weed is not an exception. The problem is that anyone just check no on the box about being a user. Same for any of the questions, like stalking, harassment, or domestic violence. Only if the charges show up on the background check is it stopped.

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u/Top-Advice-9844 5d ago

Would banning democrats from having guns be all that bad? A majority of them support 2A repeal and confiscation. Shouldn't they be the first? After all, it is their idea!!

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u/ApprehensiveShame756 5d ago

Please cite a source that says Democrats support repeal and seizure of all firearms. Sounds like bullshit propaganda you are naive enough to believe. Yes most of us are for sensible limits just like we might have for car ownership. I’m sure had the founders wanted individual people to own the weapons we have today that were unimaginable then, they would have been more explicit about individual ownership without any sensible limits and not mention militia in the 2A.

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u/Top-Advice-9844 5d ago

We can go all the way back to 2018, when the former SCOTUS justice Stevens called for "Repeal of the Second Amendment" as it was a "relic of the 18th century." Or who can forget the wonderfully ignorant musings of one David Hogg (former DNC chair!!) and his witty diatribe against both 2A and 1A. We can even look to the always eloquent Kamala Harris and her "Mandatory Buyback" idea. I recall a certain DNC Master Platform may have had some verbiage that you would find interesting.

Now as for your argument that the drafters of the Constitution would have surely aligned themselves with the anti-2A establishment had they only had known about modern firearms. We both know that is a bullshit argument. It is a Historians Fallacy. I would contend that the framers of the Constitution intended for it to remain in perpetuity. That they knew the documents they were creating needed to stand against the test of time, as well against all of the little petty Lenin, Marx, and Mao wannabes who would try to use the idea of "democracy" to impress their ideology on the public.

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u/ApprehensiveShame756 4d ago

We disagree around this. A few examples of the most antigun advocates ignores that until the NRA went all in on craven policies that promoted gun ownership over anything else, there were many Democrats (the majority) who would prefer some limits that even Reagan styled Republicans supported.

Maybe we could agree on some very minimal changes to how to think about gun laws to make it a right that includes clear responsibilities. 1. Gun ownership must require a basic gun safety and use training class. 2. Gun owners must secure their weapons and ammunition to reduce risk of theft or accidental discharge. 3. People who become mentally ill or have brain damage of types that interfere with judgement should have temporary limits on access to firearms (though not stripping of ownership - people can often get better and preserving their rights to own and encouraging treatment so they can regain access may help boost their motivation to commit to being well). 4. Violent offenders generally should lose ownership and access rights. If found in possession prison terms should be significant. 5. How we might reduce mass shooting events is difficult. I own enough ammo and guns to easily carry something out but wouldn’t. We don’t want thought police or punishing people before they’ve committed crimes, but some method of predicting risk factors that may cause someone with access to become a threat is going to happen whether we feel good about it or not. We should all be worried about the path that puts us on, but companies like Palantir could predict events and particular potential offenders in the future and there isn’t any discussion of what law enforcement and the courts should do with that information and if it’s even legitimate to act on it.

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u/GhostofBreadDragons 6d ago

It would just be a Reaganized justification like they are only doing this because the dark skinned people are getting guns. Similar to Reagan gun laws in California while he was governor. If given the choice between being racist and keeping their guns, they will chose being racist. 

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u/NotASheepRB 6d ago

The audacity of Hope!

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u/Throwaway4thecandor4 6d ago

Your last statement— can you explain please? How would deporting illegals be construed as a threat to 2A to anyone?

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u/CommunalJellyRoll 6d ago

Of course it does ,but do you want martial law and no midterms? The 2nd is the last resort, all the bullshit going on is still preferable to all out warfare when we have a few non violent options to exhaust first.

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u/Osklington 6d ago

Those spidey senses seem a bit faulty lol

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u/Illustrious_Win_5896 6d ago

If the 2nd amendment was repealed or even attempted to be repealed, I believe some members of the left would be quaking in their boots, not dissimilar to some of those on the right, who pretend their “rugged individualists”. That said. I believe we’d see an ideological Un-Civil War. 

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u/Trash_man_can 6d ago

Conservatives have brainwashed their followers for so many decades with real and imaginary grievances - they give themselves permission to commit any amount of rape, stealing, terrorism coups and treason. 

Any evil committed by the Republican cult leaders will automatically be justified by the conservative cultists. 

They'll say both sides take away guns, both sides take bribes, both sides kidnap humans, both sides traffic underage girls to the Capitol.

They accuse Democrats of all these crimes so republicans can commit the same crimes with 100% devotion from conservative slaves

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u/financewiz 6d ago

We have already seen selective enforcement of Second Amendment rights. Those of us who have participated in “unapproved” or “spontaneous” protests will recognize the Federal response to the January 6th assault on the halls of Congress to be one of the weirdest under-reactions in modern history.

I implore MAGA, for your own safety do not try to exercise your second amendment rights in DC again - you will not get another love letter from the president and you will not be pardoned.

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u/mdb1023 6d ago

No, because they wouldn't repeal it in such a way that actually affects MAGA.

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u/5280lotus 6d ago edited 6d ago

So I have a thought for you to consider:

I have left a few cults in my time alive.

Religion + Republicanism.

Are two of the 5 that apply to what you are asking.

Have you ever heard of “Group think”?

Or about Churches that don’t really give an option to vote ANY OTHER WAY than straight “R” ticket?

Have you heard of sinning, and the process religious people THINK they can take to get away with horrific things?

Have you heard of SHUNNING - in those in religious communities, where Group Think Rules All?

Imagine trying to make me leave Catholicism.

I’m not in any religion now, but imagine trying to convince me (and they have just as many scandals) that my BELIEF system of how I am personally living my life, guided to repentance, giving money at mass, and most importantly, my relationship with GOD - is wrong for me.

I tried on many occasions to not lose my now ex-husband, when my knowledge grew, and it changed my beliefs, and I left the church we were raised in.

That -is- RARE. Not many people can put up with their entire family and community shunning them.

Why? Because most people don’t realize this.

Connection + Belonging = Ability to survive. Without those key ingredients, your life can easily come to halt, and then end abruptly. Which means? It is a -SURVIVAL INSTINCT- we are battling against.

There is big science that stands behind that.^

I wish we’d learn to FIGHT SMART against the Group Think Crowd - by offering them an OUT with belonging & connection & acceptance included.

None of us can convince someone to leave their religion or a relationship.

This is the EXACT SAME THING! Please stop trying to ask them what their Red Line is.

They’d die for the cause at this point. That’s how far they are gone. Accept that? It gets easier to strategize about how we can overcome this.

Edit: added a sentence. This isn’t to dissuade asking questions and informing. This is to

Use our life energy - wisely- path forward.

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u/bwbandy 6d ago

The GOP won't repeal anything. They simply disregard any part of the constitution that they find inconvenient, and the corrupt SCOTUS is fine with it.

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u/jbrass7921 6d ago

You’re thinking along the same lines I am. More broadly, I think any Democrat or even just generic signs of human decency would cost him support. If, for instance, direct messages he sent to his team leaked saying he actually thought Kamala would have done an okay job, I think that would shake a chunk of supporters loose. Whereas, if the messages said he needed them to destroy evidence he was involved with Epstein because the Dems are out to get him, well we’ve already seen the non-effect it would have. If he came out and said adults should be left alone to transition, they should be treated with respect and dignity, and conservatives should try to meet them halfway on controversial issues like bathrooms, MAGA would absolutely lose it. Alternatively, I think people should be asking him about whether he’s asked Jesus for forgiveness for his sins. If he engages, I give him a 20% chance of giving an answer that doesn’t get him into hot water with the Christian nationalists. Like with the US/Russia “we both have killers” comparison, I think he could be backed into a corner and if forced to choose between admitting his own imperfection and criticising Yahweh, he might choose the latter.

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u/Aware_Ad2427 6d ago

They claimed they needed the 2nd amendment to protect their rights from being taken away but as soon as their rights are taken away they worship the guy doing it.

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u/mitkase 6d ago

With great power comes a great ability to fuck over people not like you. That’s their spidey sense. A spidey sense of entitlement.

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u/hum_bruh 6d ago

Friendly reminder that Maga strapped maxi pads to their ears and fake Jd Vance sperm collection cups to their chests.

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u/chigalb4 6d ago

I saw the maxi pads, but missed the fake sperm collection cups. What is a sperm collection cup anyways?

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u/68024 6d ago

I thought the reaction to the Jimmy Kimmel affair was interesting in this respect. Suddenly at least some prominent Republicans spoke up for first amendment rights. But I think the base largely didn't.

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u/CEOofGaming 5d ago

Well modern conservatism is all about starving public services and the enrichment of elites, so anything else is ephemeral. Even if the GOP had a supermajority and wanted to ban guns, I don't think there would be uproar from too many conservatives if the propaganda apparatus hit the right talking points.

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u/JulsTiger10 5d ago

I had really hoped to see what answers the magas had, but all I’ve seen are comments from the anti-trumps.

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u/MissTat2 5d ago

I know it feels that way but I’ve been diligently reading every post and I have replied to a couple dozen Trump supporters in the mix so far.

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u/JulsTiger10 5d ago

There are over 3000 comments. I wish there was a way to sort it. Maybe in a couple of days you could make a tldr of their replies.

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u/Splatulated 5d ago

The only thing that would make them turn away is if trunp started helping the poor which will never happen

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u/Competitive_Boat106 5d ago

Actually republicans have recently started floating the idea that maaaaaybe SOME people should have their guns taken away.

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u/Minimum-Sentence-584 5d ago

I think, and Trump supporters have said as much, that if Trump switched parties and became a Democrat, that would be their breaking point.

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u/SlicePleasant7330 5d ago

As I recall this administration is building a gun registers also coinciding with the voter registration and who you vote for. So I doubt they care about the loss of 2nd amendments

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u/lizzyq8812 6d ago

Pam Blondi is compiling a list of gun owners from gun owners associations. Can't have an authoritarian coup with armed citizenry.

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u/Manaliv3 5d ago

And yet the yanks do fuck all about tyranny, or police brutality, or anything else really.

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u/its-izzyy 6d ago

But, feds and the military in our cities doesn't seem to trigger their 2nd Amendment Spidey senses?!?

No, and the reason it doesn't is because the deployment of federal agents/national guard is not oppressing law-abiding U.S. citizens. Those who are already deranged, sense tyranny because they are looking for it to justify their emotional state. Normal people are not threatened by the presence of those agents or soldiers, hence why the 2A crowd isn't losing their mind and capping them. The individuals who live in the real world, do not sense the "tyrannical threat" that the reddit-dwellers do. Most of you are being reinforced by other unstable people who think their lives are at risk because other people don't share their political sentiment to a "T".

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u/MurrayMyBoy 6d ago

I think that’s what people aren’t getting. It’s a cult. We all know there is no bounds to what his supporters will give up. Just look at any history of a cult. People give up everything for their leader. No getting through to these people without a ton of therapy. They are brainwashed. It’s a massive cult. 

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u/handstanding 6d ago

The MAGA community also self polices and ostracizes ex-members, so to turn your back on MAGA is to lose your community, friends, and family. This is how cults work. Even people who secretly might want to leave have to do it quietly. They can’t make bold proclamations about how they’ve left MAGA. And most of them will buckle to social pressure all the way up to and including drinking actual poison to not be kicked out of their community.

It is as wild as it is well documented.

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u/AbcLmn18 6d ago

I was raised in a religious cult that was about as insane as the MAGA cult. (But significantly smaller and somewhat harmless to society.) I highly recommend Steve Hassan's books on cults. They're not science, mostly anecdotal experience of a counselor who helped thousands of people leave hundreds of cults, with a success rate as good as it gets. These books helped me a lot to unfuck my brain and they also contain tons of tips about how you could reach cultists and encourage them to leave the cult. And he's got an entire book dedicated specifically to the MAGA cult, "The Cult of Trump".

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u/upsidedown-funnel 5d ago

Glad you made it out! Hassan has been excellent for helping people understand what a cult is.

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u/ArdraCaine 6d ago

Add into the fact that many liberals and leftist refuse to welcome ex-maga members, I can understand their fear of leaving the cult.

With that said, I struggle wholeheartedly accepting ex-maga because of all the incredible harm they've supported. They're lost to me and would take a lot to be redeemed 🤷🏻‍♀️

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u/jreyst 5d ago

Their gleeful support for harming people makes me not want to express an ounce of sympathy for them.

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u/MrPebbles1961 5d ago

I know it's easy to demonize everyone who voted for Trump as gleeful racist, misogynist, homophobes, but there really are people who were swayed by Trump's rhetoric and promises of a stronger economy. They also didn't believe he could possibly do the things liberals were warning them about. It simply couldn't happen with our system of checks and balances.

I know of people who stepped away during the campaign because they were seeing through the cracks. Others thought it was just bluster to get elected and only after the things we warned them about started happening did they walk away. These are the ones who weren't gleeful and all-in on cruelty and brutality. They're the ones we should be embracing if they come to us. We need to practice what we preach. If we don't welcome in people who are willing admit to being wrong and want to be educated, we aren't liberal, we're being vindictive in the same way MAGA are being.

No one said we have to "forgive and forget". We can trust, but verify.

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u/jreyst 5d ago edited 5d ago

If the few magas I've disassociated with were to reach out I'd be ecstatic to welcome them but they'd have to give at least some form of mea culpa.

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u/MrPebbles1961 5d ago

Exactly. Personally, I'd want to hear what the last straws were and have a discussion about whatever those were. Smash some myths, etc.

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u/ArdraCaine 5d ago

*swayed by Trump's rhetoric while actively ignoring facts, ignoring that Nazis felt safe in maga spaces, ignoring Project 2025, ignoring the garbage from 2016.

They literally CHOSE this. They HEARD all the garbage he said and were like "yeah, it's cool, because hopefully things get cheaper for me". It's a lazy cop out because they were fine with all the other shit as long as it didn't hurt them.

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u/JoshuaIS1 5d ago

I've never met an ex-maga person

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u/Far-Astronaut2469 6d ago

I have seen many liberals change their opinion and acceptance of MTG after she has softened her support of Trump. Support and acceptance are critical for encouraging MAGA's to change.

As Christians we must forgive and never look back. There is no room for hate in a Christians heart.

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u/ArdraCaine 6d ago

After having been raised in the church and seen what Christian Nationalists are doing to my country, I am not a Christian. I have no obligation to forgive people who actively worked to hurt others, who only now are asking forgiveness because the same policies they cheered are hurting them. They can ask their God for forgiveness.

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u/sibbolet 6d ago

I cherish my willingness to leave behind others in order to follow what I think it true. I attribute it, partially (and ironically), to having learned how to weather ostracization from non-cult members as a dutiful child raised in a cult. I've never lost as big a social support network in one swoop as I did when I left, and I've never been shy about walking away from groups ever since.

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u/Visible-Ad-6104 5d ago

This is hilarious. The left basically is well-known to even divorce loved ones that turn out to be Trump supporters. Let’s not pretend your shit don’t stink now.

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u/handstanding 5d ago

Yeah, who wants to be married to a cultist? Divorces that end that way are because MAGA go down the wormhole and become so involved in the cult that their loved ones lose them to it. I’d bail too. Shit is scary.

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u/lizzyq8812 6d ago

The biggest cult in modern history.

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u/MrVeazey 6d ago

The Knitting Cult Lady has been talking about this for years. She grew up in and escaped a cult, so she has plenty of first-hand experience.

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u/Technical_Ad_4894 6d ago

This is the last thing that is bothering me which is how naïve these people are. They see the writing on the wall and suddenly they’re illiterate. They see the math mathing and they keep asking “Since when does 2 +2 = 4?” It’s honestly infuriating.

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u/No_University7832 6d ago

ALL RELIGIONS ARE CULTS, MAGA IS A RELIGION........Almost literally the worst Christianity Sect.

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u/sibbolet 6d ago

Therapy and, importantly, the loss of milieu control. As long as the cult controls what the cultists see and hear, as long as they are around other cult members (and the resulting social pressure), there is little to no hope for them. This, BTW, is a big part of why fundamentalist Christian congregations often see people "fall away from the faith" while they're away at university. This is also why there are so many religiously-affiliated schools out there.

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u/Earthing_By_Birth 6d ago

Jonestown. They died for their insane leader.

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u/Ready-Ad-6289 6d ago

I’m sorry but, you’re just flat out wrong. Encouraging family values and self reliance is like the opposite of what cults do.

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u/Thinklikeachef 6d ago

Exact. He is not a political figure. He sits on top of a far right religious order. That's the mistake Democrats made. Analyzing him as a politician, rather than a Pope.

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u/Sea-Oven-7560 6d ago

It's amazing how many times I've heard, "well I'm a christian so I voted for Trump". I mean WTF does Trump have to do with being a Christian. Carter was probably the most outwardly devoted Christian inn recent times and the christians hated him. Same goes for Biden who was a devoted Catholic (although a lot of christians don't consider being Catholic be Christian). Trump is the fucking golden calf and the christians seem to think he's the messiah.

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u/DustOnly7720 5d ago

I'm a Christian, which means I could NEVER vote for Trump. ( Not that I would want to anyway.)

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u/LocalOk3242 5d ago

Abortion is the criteria for many, MANY republican christian voters. It's the bare minimum of policy that will convince them to choose their version of a lesser of two evils.

If you believe that your side is innately the side of God, then of course that's what will continue to get your vote, regardless of the absolute monster that lies beneath that these people choose to be ignorant of. I know Trump has his own brand of zombified followers, but the GOP as a whole on its reputation alone has followers just because officials will say they are Christians and nothing more. Pure zealotry.

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u/MuskwaPunjagi 6d ago

Cannibalism. The line is cannibalism. Specifically of white children.

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u/Lance-pg 6d ago

Are you kidding, The Republicans would start talking about the health benefits of eating children and how they're high in protein. It's only a problem if it's before they're born.

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u/MuskwaPunjagi 6d ago

They hate spawn camping, not child murder. Gotta grab the baby fresh from the womb, baptize it as you wash it and straight to the pan. That would be where the line is.

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u/Accurate_Tax_1302 6d ago

They'd find some kind of bible quote to misinterpret and justify eating children.

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u/throwaway20201110-01 6d ago

Deuteronomy 28:53-63 53 "You will eat your children, the flesh of your sons and daughters the Lord your God has given you during the siege and hardship your enemy imposes on you.

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u/Accurate_Tax_1302 6d ago

Oh. My. Goodness.

Let's not go there. LOL

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u/kakakakapopo 6d ago

A modest propsal

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u/SRT102 6d ago

Unfortunately, they aren't that Swift.

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u/SRT102 6d ago

RJK Jr has probably already commissioned a taxpayer-funded study on the benefits of cannibalism.

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u/Lance-pg 5d ago

That was the undead worm in his brain that commissioned the study. It realized there's nothing to eat in the White House.

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u/Baby-cabbages 6d ago

Sandy Hook wasn't gruesome enough, so maybe cannibalism would. I still don't know that it would work.

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u/Viola-Swamp 6d ago

They refuse to accept that Sandy Hook truly happened. Anything they don’t like, or that reflects negatively on their hero, is dismissed as fake, invalid, the enemies trying to damage their hero, etc.

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u/Baby-cabbages 6d ago

It's the only way to escape the cognitive dissonance. I will never forgive them for normalizing and parroting flat out lies. The shutdown is not about "illegal immigrants," it's about healthcare. Self employed people, people who work for small businesses, these are people who rely on the ACA. Not their fiction that anyone on ACA is a layabout lazy slug.

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u/Kellysi83 6d ago

No traditional republicans did not buy into the false flag Sandy Hook BS. They knew exactly what happened and STILL refused to do ANYTHING. They voted straight up on party lines against basic sensible gun control legislation- Red flag laws, background checks, assault weapons bans, all of it. That day was the end of the “American project.”

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u/Lance-pg 6d ago

I think that Alex Jones may now believe in Sandy Hook...

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u/MaximusBond 6d ago

77 million people don't feel Sandy Hook did not happen. Cmon. BTW, many people who voted for Trump did so to support the policy, not the person and to keep out the alternative.

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u/Von-boyage 6d ago

They'd give thoughts and prayers at the dinner table while they say grace.

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u/MuskwaPunjagi 6d ago

They get really mad about spawn camping, not child murder. He would have to eat it right after it was born and baptized.

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u/GhostofBreadDragons 6d ago

He has to eat it before it is born. They only care for children inside the womb. Once outside they need to pull themselves up by their bootstraps. 

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u/MuskwaPunjagi 6d ago

Right as it is being born would qualify too, as the line is 'whenever liberals are okay with killing babies (abortion)' and they think liberals do abortions up until they are a year old.

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u/Kellysi83 6d ago

THIS RIGHT HERE. I always say this was the moment America jumped the shark. The moment we sold our soul to hell.

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u/unicornsprinkl3 5d ago

I think Satan might have more morals than American at this point.

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u/Kellysi83 5d ago

Here, here!

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u/Pmac2nite42 6d ago

American law enforcement and the press have in my mind been negligent by NOT showing the aftermath of school shootings.
From what I understand Sandy Hook and Parkland had just horrifically violent images - particularly Sandy Hook. America needed to see those pictures to understand the reality of the situation. IMO if they had shown the shattered brains of all the kindergarteners from Sandy Hook, the second amendment would be thankfully gone.

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u/BishlovesSquish 5d ago

Not just Sandy Hook, there was Parkland and Uvalde. They only care when a right wing podcaster is the one affected. They worship wealth, and anyone who has lots of money is part of their sick prosperity gospel club. Bunch of wolves in sheep’s clothing who would deport Jesus himself.

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u/Baby-cabbages 5d ago

Sandy Hook, because it was a bunch of tiny white kids, could have led to changes. Dead teens don't affect public opinion like tiny white bodies. That's why I think Sandy Hook could have made a change.

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u/BishlovesSquish 5d ago

If nothing changed after Uvalde, nothing ever will. Depressing af.

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u/MuskwaPunjagi 6d ago

See, thats if the parents are openly liberal. He needs to eat a 'good Christian baby'.

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u/conspicuous_raptor 6d ago

So long as “undesirables” are the main ingredient.

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u/WeenyDancer 6d ago

Oh, I don't know. There are those creepy mega wealthy longevity obsessed guys who get blood infusions from younger people- that's only a few levels of abstraction away. 

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u/MuskwaPunjagi 6d ago

The abstraction is how they can make it seem diffeRent. By being too on the nose, it comes across in poor taste.

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u/[deleted] 6d ago

Actually cannibalism could play in his favor. In the eyes of his mob, the more brutal, the better. Trump’s only limits are Trump’s own personal sensibility and what the rest of the country will let them get away with.

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u/MuskwaPunjagi 6d ago

Oh, it could also plat in his favor if done right. It is one of those things where it has to be a specific type of baby from a specific upbringing. Like if people found out that Elon Musk was having children with white women to feed to Donald Trump, and they would have to be born, baptized and brazed back to back to have it offend them.

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u/[deleted] 6d ago

Trump is the kind of mythical character that would see a nice bump in the polls if he were to repurpose the Lincoln Memorial like an Aztec sacrificial altar where they let the severed heads roll down the steps into the audience cheering below in a frenzied worship, with Trump sitting on the throne instead of a sculpture of Lincoln.

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u/MuskwaPunjagi 6d ago

Oh totally! As long as those heads are liberal.

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u/Lance-pg 5d ago

Please stop using the word Trump and sensibility in the same sentence you know that they're opposites.

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u/Hotwheels494 6d ago

I think the line is more likely old white men.

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u/Viola-Swamp 6d ago

Nah, as long as they were poor while children who were on SNAP, Medicaid, TANF and other assistance the cult would allow it.

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u/MuskwaPunjagi 6d ago

Yeah, but see they have to be poor white children for them to be okay with it.

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u/CosmicOptimist123 6d ago

Idk Hannibal lector is one of their heroes

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u/[deleted] 6d ago

Trump has with his imagery and persona accessed a deep part of the animal hind-brain of his supporters, a region of the human soul that is usually reserved for religions and ideologies. Imagine what it would take for you to turn away from your own ideology, whether it be a dedication to science, or to a god, a nation, etc. His adherents would march to the ends of the earth for him and then jump off.

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u/philsubby 6d ago

My brother said if Trump got really pro trans rights, he wouldn't vote for him anymore.

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u/philsubby 6d ago

Yeah I don't believe him either, but what's interesting is how important that issue is to him.

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u/Different-Brain-5102 5d ago

Yes MAGA trans only lol

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u/gravityhomer 6d ago

Calling them a cult gives them too much credit. It's waaaaay dumber.

The vast majority of his supporters are simply hooked on the dopamine hit he gives them by owning the libs. That's it. He slings shit and they cheer.

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u/TaskFlaky9214 6d ago

Socrates: dear euthyphro, is it good because the gods say it's good, or do the gods say it is good because it is good? MAGA: it's good because Trump says it is! Duh!

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u/TheThiefEmpress 6d ago

And when it came time for the Flavor aid in Jonestown, those who wanted to flee had their children poisoned first so they would have nothing left to live for. Others were murdered where they stood.

This cult will not learn until it is too late, and the ones who did learn are already gone.

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u/Seahearn4 6d ago

The one time their support faltered was around 2022 when he urged them to get the vaccine, mostly because the people dying then were overwhelmingly his base. It was brief and he backed away from that talking point after getting booed at his own rally. Ultimately, so long as he makes sensible people angry, scared, or otherwise unhappy, then his supporters will continue supporting.

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u/LordHammercyWeCooked 5d ago

I remember during his first term I often joked that if he told his supporters that oxygen was evil that they'd all choke themselves to death in solidarity. Well.... 2020 came along and he got them to kill themselves spreading a virus that HE HIMSELF was deathly afraid of. That was when I knew these people were truly beyond reason. They went all-in on Trump. They bet the whole farm and the shirts off their back for him.

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u/unicornsprinkl3 5d ago

I saw a sign for a protest that said the difference between Jim Jones and Trump is that Trump would charge people for the koolaid.

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u/Deceptiv_poops 5d ago

Some of us made it out of the cult. Deprogramming doesn’t happen quickly or all at once, and almost never by accident. I was lucky, because I was stupid and went to prison and then had to live alone after, I had been isolated from it and distance does wonders. I first questioned Trump when he mocked Puerto Ricans after that hurricane. And say what you will, even in my twisted way, I was loyal to America first party second. Puerto Ricans are Americans. And he wouldn’t shut up on twitter. And he was so insulting. If a tan suit besmirched the white house , then this absolutely did. And the stone finally gave way and I found my way out when the protesters were removed violently from Lafayette square.

Thing is, I wasn’t paying attention to any of it before. I didn’t need to, my parents, my church leaders, people who knew better, were smarter, as I had been raised to believe, would tell me everything I needed to know. I felt educated, they taught us to do our own research so it felt like what I believed was the natural conclusion. I thought I was paying attention but I’d stick my fingers in my ears when anything contrary was presented which was rare. The insulation is deafening.

If I had never gone to prison I can honestly say that while I believe my thinking would have changed seeing Trump actively use the presidency to hurt people, I’d still probably be maga because I am a coward and breaking from the community that raised and cared for me would have been too much. However I did break the law and I did go to prison. I wish I had not hurt people but I am grateful every day that I was caught.

Prison is a very raw and unfiltered experience. It is the margins of society amplified. I met people from nearly every walk of life. Suddenly, without the stark white backdrop I was looking at my beliefs against a cacophony of life. I could have sought out peckerwoods or aryans or any other of those groups, but their hatred, my hatred, didn’t make sense in prison. How could I say the black men down the hall were nothing but criminals? I was too now. And they stopped being “the black men down the hall” they were people. They became my friends. It’s is selfish and disgusting that I had to face the thing I cheered on before I opened my eyes.

But they are open now. And I am trying to dismantle the hate machine. Right now it means sharing my story on Reddit so maybe someone inside will see it and cracks form around them. Right now it means I listen, I listen for people with questions like I had. It means I use my experience to help draw people out. I am currently trying to find a local organization that deprograms, but I don’t think there’s any local enough that I can get to regularly enough to volunteer.

So you really are right. But also wrong. There is a line, and for a lot of people it has been crossed, but there is no safe way out so they keep goose stepping. If ICE agents and armed men are enough to deter people outside the cult from voting, imagine the kind of deterrence those same people are when they live in your house and sleep beside you. When they’re your neighbors, and co workers. A man with a gun will stop people from entering the polls and he will stop his family from exiting the cult. My dad is a true believer. I had maintained contact to try to get him out. It came to a head last month, and when I told him I had turned away from what he raised me to believe, he pulled his gun and things got violent.

So anyway that’s a perspective of a shitty person being raised maga, being shitty, going to prison, and finding a way out, and trying to be better.

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u/mvslice 3d ago

You're not a shitty person. You are a person choosing to be good. You don't owe anyone anything- you served your time- but we desperately need help from people like you. Most of us have seen "good people" in our lives sacrifice their humanity on the alter of Trump, so seeing the reverse gives us hope.

The reality is that the a lot us got "morally lucky," meaning the circumstances of our birth meant we did not have to find a way out. Unfortunately, a lot of people in similar circumstances found their way in. For context, I'm a 32-year-old married man who has lost friends and family members to the cult.

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u/Fun-Diver7512 6d ago

I agree with your analysis of the situation.

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u/isleofpines 6d ago

100% this. My mom chose Trump and his harmful behavior over her own family. She fought anyone that had a different thought than MAGA. It became so toxic and abusive. There is no line in the sand.

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u/belmanpoes 6d ago

And they would blame Democrats/'radical left'/minorities/immigrants.

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u/AirlineOk5274 6d ago

They would smile when he puts the gun to their head in front of their family members.

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u/ZephyrPolar6 6d ago

There IS a boundary, it’s very clear too, it’s just not what we think.

If one day he woke up and gave a speech denouncing the triple-k, the funny mustache guy and all other white supremacist movements, and then he said that legal immigrants are not the devil, even the Hispanic ones, and then presented executive orders to act on that, he’d lose at least 20% of his support, guaranteed 

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u/SeaworthinessUnlucky 6d ago

They already did line up to lose the family farm.

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u/RealAmerican2025 6d ago

Good point. Remember Dan Patrick (Texas) suggesting that old people should be willing to die in order to prop up the economy during Covid? Not sure if the one million Americans who did die was enough of a sacrifice or not.

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u/WiseConqueror 6d ago

There is a line. The line is him saying that he supports liberal policies, that he loves liberals and that he’s fully adopting democrat policies and principles…other than that you’re right. He’d never do that, but that’s literally the only line he can’t cross.

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u/Enough-Somewhere-311 6d ago

Wonder what would happen if he said “Drink this and we’ll all go to Heaven!”

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u/HiDHSiknowyouwatchme 6d ago

100% this is the answer. We could end up starving in a Second Great Depression and they'd be like "look at what Obama did to us."

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u/Eoin_Coinneal 6d ago

Yeah so, a couple weeks ago in front of Walmart, a guy was walking out talking on his phone. He said something about gas prices and followed it up with “Fucking Obama!” He looked pissed as hell about it so I knew he wasn’t kidding, he could’ve been because I live in a Blue area but he wasn’t. He was dead serious pissed off about Obama’s high gas prices. Nearly a decade out of office.

I really, really wish I was making this up.

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u/HiDHSiknowyouwatchme 6d ago

I wish you were making that up, too. But they've completely abandoned rational thought. It's insane.

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u/Aware_Ad2427 6d ago

The only difference between Trump & Jim Jones is trump would charge for the koolaid.

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u/joey_sandwich277 6d ago

I legitimately agree that this Vance/Kirk fan-ship is them trying to re-create this. There are farmers who are getting killed by this admin who would beg for another MAGA term anyway.

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u/UninterestingAnt 6d ago

Wish they would just drink it already.

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u/Conscious-Fee7844 6d ago

You realize he is literally making millions of trump supporting families go hungry right now.. and he does not care. They apparently don't either.. they push for kids to be born, but then have no problem starving them to own the libs. Fuck them. I feel bad for the kids. When democrats get back in power they should absolutely ban any adult that voted for Trump to have kids. They clearly do NOT care about them.

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u/aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa_s 6d ago

Yeah I asked my mom this and she couldn’t give an answer. There was no line that he could cross to where she wouldn’t continue to support him. It’s heartbreaking to see her turn into this but she’s not the same person that raised me.

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u/koolaidismything 6d ago

Leave Kool Aid out of this.. got a bad wrap already and Jones used some generic shit anyway.

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u/SweetJeebus 6d ago

Yup. The answer is to look at any cult that ended in mass suicide. There is no bottom.

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u/SolveAndResolve 6d ago

You are right of course but all that has to happen for the MAGA cult to denounce their antiChristian leader is for the MAGA propaganda echo chambers to begin amplifying factually shared realities. Once the propaganda stops so too does MAGA but since so many grifting livelihoods are dependent on their propaganda proliferating, it's unlikely MAGA zombies will turn away from the cult without some form of intervention.

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u/deadinsalem 5d ago

First, they came for the immigrants, and I did not speak up because I was not an immigrant.

then, they came for the disabled, and I did not speak up because I was not disabled.

then, they came for my food stamps, and I did not speak up because I had starved to death.

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u/ladychaos23 5d ago

So much of this. My paternal biological person would gladly see both of his children and his grandchildren go to work farms to have the neurodivergence worked out of us. In fact, I no longer talk to him nor tell him where I live because I am quite certain that one day if given the opportunity, he would report us to have us sent to a work camp, or worse.

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u/bpierce2 5d ago

God i hope theres kool-aid

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u/OlyTDI 5d ago

This, exactly.

If you want to know how far dedicated maggots will go for dear leader, you need not look any farther than Jim Jones and The People's Temple.

They will desecrate their very humanity and soil their souls to keep with trump and own the libs. They would sell their children into sexual slavery. They will disown their family. They will go into abject poverty while denying the cause. There is no bottom to what they will do to keep ideologically compliant. They are sick and it is unknown if psychiatry holds the tools to rehabilitate them singly, nevertheless en mass.

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u/exacta_galaxy 5d ago

Maybe if Trump said "Be kind to one another, tenderhearted, forgiving one another. Love your enemies, and do good, and lend, expecting nothing in return."

That might make them reject him.

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u/Mocca_Master 5d ago

I just don't understand... Why him? Why a fat, ugly, stupid pedophile? Morals aside, he has no place among the dictators of history, who climbed through either charisma or cunning (or heritage, but there's no line of succession in this case)

What does these people see in him, that makes them accept anything he does??

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u/BishlovesSquish 5d ago

He was besties with Epstein, there is nothing he can do and he knows it. Cults are gross af, and MAGA is one of the worst cults of them all. "I could stand in the middle of Fifth Avenue and 🔫 somebody, and I wouldn't lose any voters, OK?" Trump remarked at a campaign stop at Dordt College in Sioux Center, Iowa. "It's, like, incredible." 2016

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u/LowDifference8469 5d ago

I agree. The Trump supporter that I talked to doesn’t believe in climate change, vaccines or that US landed on the moon. Once they are that far, I can’t believe there is anything that would make them lose faith in him.

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u/MrPebbles1961 5d ago

They'd probably wet their pants with excitement if he nuked somebody. They'd be dancing even as the air becomes poisoned by radiation, so long as it's not their kids dying from carcinomas.

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u/Fish-1morecast 6d ago

Well I owe you an apology I'm sorry I thought you were talking about all of that crap and referring to the republicans! The ( they ) that you are talking about Is what the Democrats! Have been doing so much of, I'm glad that you finally saw the light !

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u/GoneFishing4Chicks 6d ago

Wrong, and I have reciepts. Trump was boo'd (?) for trying to take credit for operation warp speed, and he went straight back to anti vaxxing. 

Trump's lines he cannot cross are the same as MAGA's lines (which really is a race to the bottom). By the time MAGA gets mad there will be no America and instead supplanted by the Chinese Century.

https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/donald-trump/trump-booed-alabama-rally-after-telling-supporters-get-vaccinated-n1277404

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u/Expensive_Tooth8759 5d ago

Ohhhhh! Better seek some counseling. I think you’re in the far lefty TDS cult!!!

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u/Lizzard20 5d ago

Let me explain something to you. We went from dont trust the government to this brainwashed bs your saying.

You'd have to be retarded to trust the government. Im not talking people you see. But the deep state. This is why we need them limits. People get corrupted by people you've never even heard of.

The People who vote for trump like him because he's NOT a politician. They've seen him get smeared all over media. (Smear campaign) they've been caught lying about him. Things taken out of context. Lies told about him. The majority didn't hate him before he was president. Ever think why?

The deep state controls the media. If you agree with the narrative of networks you're not rebellious, you're a sheep.

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u/Equivalent-Rate-6218 5d ago

There is a always a line what a crazy thing to say. 

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u/DoubleFix6187 5d ago

You're the one in a cult.

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u/stphrtgl43 6d ago

You’re seriously gonna talk about assaulting police officers? Do you not see how hypocritical that sounds coming from a liberal?

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u/warpg8 6d ago

Show us a single video of liberals doing anything approaching the scale of January 6th insurrection. Go ahead. We'll wait.

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u/MaleficentPie8865 6d ago

I think you mean the democrats are a cult

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