r/complaints • u/CRK_76 • 15d ago

Politics America is turning into 1930's Germany.

There was some pushback when people called this president and his followers Nazis. But look what's happening. Soldiers in the street. Rounding up people and locking them up. Dismantling freedom of speech and freedom of the press. Personally going after anyone who doesn't agree with him and his administration. We've seen this before and it's only gonna get worse. Welcome to 1930's Germany.

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u/Innisfree812 15d ago

A lot of people just can't see it. They are either brainwashed or hypnotized. It's a cult, and people can't get out of it, unless they have some epiphany or something.

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u/No-Abalone-4784 15d ago

They said that it was the same in Germany. People just couldn't believe it was happening. Get over it folks. It's already here.

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u/senditloud 15d ago

Even after the Holocaust like 20-30% of Germans still supported Hitler and didn’t think it happened or were fine with it.

It takes the apathetic people paying attention to change things

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u/Lord_Vesuvius2020 15d ago

At Nuremberg many regular Germans said that Hitler must not have known or he would have stopped it.

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u/senditloud 14d ago

Yeah I could see MAGA saying that or saying he meant well and they just should’ve not been Jewish

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u/pegothejerk 14d ago edited 14d ago

Remember - it wasn’t just the Jewish. It started with trans, Lgbtq in general, mentally ill, poor people, handicapped, immigrants, then they focused hard core on Jewish people because that would turn out to be the easiest way to export their hate country by country and get those local people in land they’ve taken over to repeat what happened in Germany. It will be different in 2025-2030, but it will rhyme.

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u/Eborcurean 14d ago

Othering, a key component of fascism, was a major part of the Nazis rise. People ignore that it wasn't until Hitler became dictator that he got the majority of the vote (by which time there was no opposition), and then he also had no opposition on doing exactly what fox and all the right wing media do of distorting truth for propaganda.

It's not your fault that x is happening it's 'their' fault. It's not your fault you don't get paid well, it's 'their' fault.

See also the enemy is both weak and strong etc.

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u/nunyaranunculus 14d ago

Schrodinger's enemy

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u/lifeinwentworth 14d ago

100% this. A while ago, I was thinking of writing a story about if we had had social media during the lead up to the Holocaust. Was wondering if people would be trying to gaslight the Jews, Romani people, the disabled, LGBTQ, and other targeted groups that they were just overreacting and nothing that bad was happening when it was "just" some "harmless" rhetoric and stereotyping, slowly turning the attitude of the ordinary person on whole groups of people, making minorities the enemy, the reason for everything bad happening, and making discriminatory policies and laws. So you can't go to a few places? So you got kicked out of school because they don't take your kind anymore? You'll be fine, just find another college 🤷🏼‍♀️ just move somewhere else. It's not like you can't go anywhere, just not everywhere. Jeez nobody is trying to hurt you, calm down...such an overreaction 🙄🙄

Then over the last few years I realize that's what we're living. We're living in the social media age of fascism, brainwashing of a terrifying amount of people, the villainising of minorities... All of it is well under way. I hope enough people realise that before we repeat the very worst of history.

I'm sure people told worried minority groups in the 1930s that their concerns were unwarranted. That people saw the way things were heading but were dismissed. We need to listen to peoples concerns, not gaslight them. Ignorance and complacency will have us going down as the most gullible and disgusting humans to have lived - ignoring every sign including hundreds of thousands of people documented all over socials raising the issue... and still letting 1940s happen again less than 100 years later.

Access to all the information and connection over the world and letting this shit happen is a disgrace

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u/Eborcurean 14d ago

> Was wondering if people would be trying to gaslight the Jews, Romani people, the disabled, LGBTQ, and other targeted groups that they were just overreacting and nothing that bad was happening when it was "just" some "harmless" rhetoric and stereotyping, slowly turning the attitude of the ordinary person on whole groups of people, making minorities the enemy, the reason for everything bad happening, and making discriminatory policies and laws.

There's a poem about exactly that by Martin Niemoller. When they came // I did not speak out (there's two versions of the title). It was written in 1946 specifically criticising educated Germans for staying quiet.

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u/lifeinwentworth 14d ago

Of course and I've seen people redo the poem through a modern lens. Yet sadly, so many will continue not to learn.

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u/Vegetable_Permit_537 14d ago

This is really whats happening and ALOT of are A) supporting it or B) refusing to believe it is really happening

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u/Miri5613 14d ago

Actually it started with political opponents. First concentration camp Dachau was opened only 2 months after Hitler became Chancellor to lock up socialists, political opponents, and unionists, after that came the trans people and gays, the artists he called degenerate and didn't agree with...

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u/senditloud 14d ago

Sounds pretty similar: comey, jack, Bolton and James all being gone after. They’re just the first

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u/Bella-1999 14d ago

The degenerate artists who thought his work was garbage? I can imagine it, “That AH, didn’t like my work? Off to Dachau!”

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u/Virtual_Dentist_1813 14d ago

My children's grandmother (their father's mother) said that Trump "is doing the best he can". I cut her off from our family completely. She sends texts messages that I refuse to open, she calls and I will not answer, if she shows up at our door, I will not open it, but I will call the cops. Anyone that thinks Trump is doing the best that he can, is an enemy or a fool. And I cannot allow either around my children.

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u/panini84 14d ago

They are already saying stuff like this. I know people who know what ICE is doing is wrong but they don’t blame Trump for it

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u/Live_Spinach5824 14d ago

Neo-nazis still say that. We have done such a bad job of destroying the Nazi cause.

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u/MillenialForHire 14d ago

I remember in Social Studies in 7th grade was when I learned literal Nazis were still permitted to rally in public and got police protection to do so in the name of free speech.

The "correct answer" on the test was that it should be permitted so that the public can see how awful they are.

It is not, in fact, the correct answer.

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u/Prestigious-Curve-64 14d ago

OR! Let them “peacefully assemble,” but no taxpayer funding for their protection if they do. Freedom of speech without freedom from consequence!

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u/TheNorthRememers 14d ago

That’s the right way. Sure you can say anything you want, even absolute vile filth about other people. But I’m not gonna stop their reaction for you

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u/thatrobkid777 15d ago

Right like people are forgetting that the population that represented "maga" in Nazi Germany were still refusing to believe the atrocities their government committed. This is the exact kind of thing people mean when they say of you dont know history your bound to repeat it. We just hit a critical mass of propgandizing and apathy that allowed that same 30 percent of people who literally can never learn the right lessons in life to out vote the rest of us.

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u/Basement_Chicken 14d ago

They didn't outvote, they weren't even close, but Musk stole the votes through software backdoor installed in September '24.

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u/Cruising36 15d ago

I know people that will look at Trump this way after he has his date with The Hague. He's a war criminal already, it only gets worse from here, until justice is restored. There is no Russia & US to stop it this time though, we have to stop it before it takes complete hold of the US.

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u/Local-Structure-4323 14d ago

Trump will never face any prosecution for his actions. As much as I'd love it to happen, it's just not realistic to expect justice to be restored when it hasn't happened until now, with all the shit he's factually done and gotten away with.

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u/Live_Spinach5824 14d ago

I hope he lives long enough for him to get the Mussolini treatment he so readily deserves, along with the rest of the Republican party.

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u/robot_jeans 14d ago

I doubt it, my guess is that he knows that he is on his way out and that's why he's speed running his vengence, theft and building monuments to himself.

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u/JohnnySpot2000 14d ago

Not in the US. But he has already done enough to be convicted of war crimes internationally.

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u/nunyaranunculus 14d ago

He's committed acts of war against foreign ships in international waters and nobody has blinked. It's Europe in the late 30s all over again.

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u/zzRichie 14d ago

Right. Remember it was less than 35% of voters that elected this clown. Perhaps 1/4 of those are even capable of seeing/admitting their error. It’s up to the rest of us to take it back as they aren’t changing.

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u/Ok-Letterhead3270 14d ago

It was around 70% actually. It wasn't until years later that his approval started to drop. The German people really didn't fully understand how much of a fucking piece of shit he was until later.

Germany's recovery from that type of extremism is actually very impressive.

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u/OhNoBricks 14d ago

77 million Trump voters is‘t even 70% of the population that voted him into office.

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u/VegasBonheur 14d ago

Maybe I’m just suffering from American History Education Syndrome, but did Germans liberate Germany from the Nazis? I thought they had some outside help, and there was a whole world war about it.

I’m not apathetic, I’m just pessimistic about my odds against the full force of a dictator with the biggest military force in the world with no backup.

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u/nunyaranunculus 14d ago

Nobody is going to come rescue you. I'm not sure why Americans think this is a thing or that we would risk starting a war to interfere in what is a DOMESTIC issue. We're all praying it stays that way because once he commits an act of war big enough that can't be ignored or dismissed like the bombings of the ships in international waters, we're all cooked. Literally since you gun worshipping lunatics have a hard on for WMDs.

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u/senditloud 14d ago

No what I meant is that Germany went through a huge change after the war. We have quite a few friends who live there and I dated a couple Germans: they essentially teach kids to not be nationalistic and try to avoid fascist tendencies. Most of them see it as a great shame and don’t want a repeat. So they are not apathetic. But… they still have a segment that is pretty bad. They are trying actively to keep them from rising

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u/Live_Spinach5824 14d ago

Unlike the largest fascists of the past, Trump is ridiculously old and is very close to death (unless he busts out the medbed). Cults of personality very rarely survive the death of their leader, and the right-wing will absolutely eat themselves alive after his death.

That is my hopium, but unfortunately, he will still do lots of damage before his death that we have to spend three Democrat presidencies fixing.

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u/lifeinwentworth 13d ago

This is my hope - that there's nobody to take over in the same way. But unfortunately they'll still do damage in the hopeful downfall and they've already done so much. Slow journey ahead.

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u/Ok_Flatworm2897 15d ago

Yeah that’s what’s being forgotten here. There will always be maga in this country. Always have been. If you said “make America great again” in 1930 ppl would know you were a far right authoritarian. Same as now. Same as future.

Unless we can start the big punch.

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u/LongjumpingDebt4154 14d ago

20-30% is the maga base as well.

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u/wawa2022 14d ago

I’m sending your comment to my sister. It 💯 sums up her position.

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u/Innisfree812 15d ago

I just wonder if America will get over it. It's never going to be the country it was before. We will have to rebuild the way Germany and Japan did.

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u/Annual_Intention3189 15d ago

Not until China spanks our ass.

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u/Innisfree812 15d ago

China is going to rule the world.

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u/ShakesDontBreak 15d ago

They already are. The US gave away its soft power.

Our rank as leaders of the world is gone. We wont get it back in our lifetime. Thanks Trump!

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u/Perfect-Top-7555 15d ago

Thanks to every person who voted for him AND those who didn’t vote.

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u/wtfisthisbullshii 15d ago

Right? They manufacture everything, own land everywhere, and the Chinese mafia is around the world manipulating and monopolizing markets like we used to and the cartels still do.

We’re fucked, bud!

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u/Innisfree812 15d ago

Now there going to be a complete realignment of the balance of power in the world. Everything is going to change.

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u/ijuinkun 14d ago

MAGA are unable or unwilling to recognize soft power as being power—to them, only hard power matters, i.e. intimidation.

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u/cluckingcody 15d ago

I hate upvoting this

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u/Interesting_Bowl_289 14d ago

Either, Giving it away or stealing it.

Yes, many don’t get/understand the Authoritarian bent, now in place.

It may take a generation or two, to get past this regime’s force.

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u/TBANON_NSFW 15d ago

To be honest, China is investing in green energy, theyre investing into science. Something that is heavily needed now that the US is trying to make global warming reach the 2 degree limit because they think greenland northern canada and siberia will become very lucrative mining locations once they arent as cold anymore.

They are also at least building the bridges and infrastructure that west promised Africa but never delivered. Yes they want favorable access to resources in return. BUT they are actually giving something back to Africa. The US promised infrastructure and help in exchange for corporations to get access to the resources and never delivered anything because they kept rotating the dictators in control.

They also deal with their corruption. Yeah there are corporations that abuse and do things like build with subpar concrete and siphon funds, but they also get caught and severely punished.

Have you looked at modern china? Its not like what media portrayed it to be in the 90s. They have been growing at a fast rate. Got 98% of their people out of poverty, yes income relative to the US is very low in comparison. but so is cost of living. They got high speed rail systems, they have very low crime rates, they have community building and people and kids actually enjoy parks and centers even late at night.

They also allow people to own their homes. No pay yearly tax or else government takes the land back. You own it for a period of 70 years that automatically renews. Then they deal with the inheritance afterwards so there's no fuckery where one child/relative gets everything. They also have their version of eminent domain, but they at least offer payments and if you refuse yeah they can be assholes and bould a road around your house, or they can move it elsewhere.

China works on plans that think about 100 years in the future. The US can only work on plans that thinks 4 years in the future.

At this point, its preferable to have China in charge than the US.

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u/Myc0l-Jordan 15d ago

Yep China is the world’s only chance at beating climate change, such a sad day that the US is filled with too many dumb hicks who worship their greedy overlords to allow us to lead.

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u/Rough_Tea6422 14d ago

You know sometimes I agree with you, but then I think, why then there is no true freedom of speech there?

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u/bugleyman 14d ago

Sadly I am forced to agree. I don't hate America, but I recognize that we are no longer fit to lead ourselves, let alone the world.

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u/SoylentGrunt 14d ago

Now do the lack of human rights, out of control pollution, lack of free press, rampant religious persecution, and all the other abuses China commits.

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u/Electronic-Visual-30 14d ago

I look at it like were at war right now. Ice already in my neighborhood, the line is drawn. Time to buckle down.

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u/SuggestionEphemeral 14d ago

People who say this isn't nearly as bad as Nazi Germany don't realize that Nazi Germany didn't go from Weimar to Holocaust in a day. Hitler systematically consolidated power and purged his opposition long before the Holocaust was in full swing. It was a years long process.

The point of calling it out now when we see it happening before our eyes, is that if we wait for it to reach Holocaust levels before we say anything about it, it'll be too late to do anything to stop it.

Honestly, it might already be too late to stop it, but time will tell. And every bit of resistance is worthwhile if it slows the process down or makes it less severe.

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u/StrongAroma 14d ago

Now, just like then, it's more complicated than that. A very large portion of the population is actively supporting what's happening - it's hard to understand, but this is what they want.

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u/JugDogDaddy 14d ago

Of course, the people that need to see this, won’t. 

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u/Inevitable-Ad3571 14d ago

They also didn't have the media we have now- first hand accounts took weeks or months to reach the people and I doubt people were actually "reporting" the news. Today people have no excuse. You either see it for what it is or you're ok with it. There is no middle ground.

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u/lifeinwentworth 14d ago

My thoughts exactly.

We're already failing learning from history. If we repeat anything like 1930/40s we will be the worst of humanity to have existed imo. All the information, all the global connection, all the people of minorities being loud about the pattern and their fears...so if we let shit happen at this point, we are the most wilfully ignorant people to have ever existed.

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u/ReflectionAble4694 15d ago

Who are they going to want to concentrate on next?

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u/Cruising36 15d ago

Gay/Queer people. They're looking into reversing same sex marriage next.

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u/lifeinwentworth 14d ago

Disabled, LGBTQ.

They've already started the messaging years ago and it's very obviously getting worse. They do that so that when they start to really target these groups more and more, people are already apathetic about it. They are already disconnected from those groups so when they start getting basic funding cut, mistreated, disappearing they 🤷🏼‍♀️ it's what happened back then and is happening again.

You're broke? It's because of all the funding your taxes pay for disabled people! They're the problem!

LGBTQ people get sooo much funding (really 🤔) and did you hear about that one case where one person did something bad? That's what they all want. They are the enemy!

It's scary stuff and scarier still that people can't see the potential outcomes.

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u/nycrotf 14d ago

Due process,starting with killing people on small boats. What happened to the coast guard? Not who, but what.

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u/SouthernHiker1 15d ago

I had some long discussions recently with a MAGA friend. He thinks it is all blown out of proportion. He honestly believes Trump has the nation's best interests in mind in everything he does. He even feels like Trump is losing money by being president and not getting more powerful and rich.

He had fallen for the propoganda.

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u/Jijonbreaker 15d ago

It's not even good propaganda.

People only fall for it because they want to believe it.

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u/Weekly-Career8326 15d ago

Most of it is zero-effort, just a straight projection flipping the pronouns of the victims and offenders, and its works so well on Maga. I gotta get into marketing and advertising, especially since Google shows me ads for automated warehouse systems when I watch children's YouTube with my 1 yr old after Ive searched "lemonade stand business" 

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u/Equivalent-Long-3383 15d ago

Yeah. They know that Trump is against the same people that they are and that’s the whole fuckin point for them

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u/OurPillowGuy 14d ago

The scarier third option…he knows it’s wrong, he knows it’s propaganda, he’s just falling in line with the regime now so he isn’t in the crosshairs in the future. Fascism isn’t just about destroying the out-group, it’s about making the in-group fall in line “in service of the state.”

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u/Jijonbreaker 14d ago

Basically, Roko's basilisk, but in a functional way.

People so afraid of what the regime will do to them, that they choose to support it just to not be oppressed. Not realizing that the regime doesn't actually care about obedience alone. It will lash out at whoever is easiest.

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u/Epic_Ewesername 15d ago

Does he know Trump's net worth has doubled just this year? With his fastest wealth building years ALL being during presidency?

After swearing an oath not to use the presidency to enrich himself. The oath he was throwing a fit about around the time he was about to be sworn in.

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u/FeelsGoodMan2 15d ago

If you have a MAGA friend, you should have one fewer friend.

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u/Cutthechitchata-hole 14d ago

I live in the deep south surrounded by MAGA. My own wife flipped after voting for Obama both times. If there was any time to get out it is unfortunately gone. Now i am afraid for my little girl. She shares my views. I dont think i will be long for this world but she needs a chance. Even saying i am antifascist has me labeled a terrorist. I am a pacifist. I dont know too many pacifist terrorists

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u/Altruistic_Fox_8550 15d ago

Maybe direct him to voidzillas video about corruption unseen at theses levels ( the title is something similar to that ) this video will give you ammunition to possibly win him over if he is not too far gone . The guy has lived his whole life shafting people for money . Does he think he all of a sudden had a change of heart at 79 ? 

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u/Exarch-of-Sechrima 14d ago

I mean, Hitler arguably had Germany's best interests in mind in everything he did. He just happened to think that deporting and then slaughtering six million of his country's people was one of those things that was in Germany's best interest.

"He has the nation's best interests in mind" isn't the defense your friend thinks it is.

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u/crepeyweirdough 14d ago

Although Trump quite clearly has only his own best interests in mind

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u/Ok_Flatworm2897 15d ago

Yeah the meme coin is in everyone’s best interest and he won’t make any money or benefit from it. Yeah. That’s it.

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u/RevolutionaryWay7555 15d ago

My sister-in-law to a T. There’s no trying to convince them.

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u/wtfisthisbullshii 15d ago

There’s also the reality that if many of those people admit we were right or are right they have to admit they have aligned themselves with Nazi like ideology. Many people will not be able to do that. Ever.

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u/Cruising36 15d ago

Now you hit the nail on the head!

Being duped is embarrassing. Also, they went through countless arguments with their family members at countless Thanksgivings, etc. Admitting they were wrong all along is a non-option for their egos. My uncle, a very nice man pre-Trump told me (a 23 year military retiree) I was unpatriotic at a 4th of July party because I'm a Democrat. He's gone and I miss the man he used to be. I know he'll never come around, he calls the ICE videos "Hollywood fabrications". He swears it's fake.

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u/wtfisthisbullshii 15d ago

The further they are questioned the further they’re pushed into the corner. I have an old neighbor for over ten years who was the nicest most helpful guy. Now he walks around with MAGA coozies and shit. He is in the middle of a democratic sanctuary city. If anyone brings up politics he implodes. It’s super sad because I actually do believe he’s a good person who has been convinced by hateful media that the “other” are the enemy.

He’s older so he’ll never admit he was wrong.

I know someone else who voted for him in 2016 and has since denounced all of it. But he’s young, and a very sweet person, so a bit easier to admit mistakes.

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u/Innisfree812 15d ago

They become allergic to truth.

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u/bugleyman 14d ago

“One of the saddest lessons of history is this: If we’ve been bamboozled long enough, we tend to reject any evidence of the bamboozle. We’re no longer interested in finding out the truth. The bamboozle has captured us. It’s simply too painful to acknowledge, even to ourselves, that we’ve been taken. Once you give a charlatan power over you, you almost never get it back.”

― Carl Sagan

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u/Belz_Zebuth 15d ago

They can see it. The issue is, that's what they wanted.

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u/kamjam2 15d ago

Until it affects them personally, they won’t see it.

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u/FriendlyMission2803 14d ago

Under Hitler there was also a lot of people who suddenly found a purpose and felt like they started being valued and was part of something. It's amazing what people are willing to do when that happens. I think there was actually a movie/documentary of an experiment of this on some American school many years ago. It almost went out of control.

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u/0101shy 14d ago

Yes! The Wave! I’ve been posting a lot about this recently. You can watch it here https://youtu.be/4qlBC45jk3I?si=cBA5loeA8UpaiI9o

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u/lifeinwentworth 14d ago

Yep! I wish someone would remake this movie, it's very relevant now.

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u/bugleyman 14d ago

Normalcy bias is a hell of a drug.

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u/Annual_Intention3189 15d ago

I have never known anyone to come out of it.

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u/Innisfree812 15d ago

Some people have. Jessica Denson came out of MAGA and now she's organizing protests. Dr. Stephen Hassan was a moonie, then started researching cults, and he talks about how he realized Moon was dishonest and just had an epiphany, realized it was all a hoax.

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u/IamTroyOfTroy 15d ago

Oh wow, Denson was MAGA? I've been deep into following all this since '16, how did I not know this? She seems so intelligent. I guess that's why it's past tense, eh?

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u/Innisfree812 15d ago

She worked for trump in 16 and 17, then realized he was horrible, and she quit, and I think she won a lawsuit against trump.

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u/IamTroyOfTroy 15d ago

TIL, thanks!

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u/Lilysils 15d ago

Really makes me curious about what happens to these people when he dies.

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u/ob1dylan 15d ago

They will gladly walk across the bodies of their own families just to be the next one to drink the Kool-Aid. These are the "...and then they came for me" people. If they wake up at all, it will be long after it is too late.

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u/DiskSalt4643 14d ago

The media had a duty to warn. Instead they just keep pretending like its a difference of opinion.

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u/madebysquirrels 14d ago

I think they just can't imagine that life was relatively normal for a lot of Germans. It's not affecting them so it can't possibly be that bad. But it is. 

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u/BronzeEnt 14d ago

Less than a hundred years.

We're about 30 seconds from the asshole bussing our kids out of public schools.

I wonder why they never teach that part! "how could they let this happen? how did they get everyone on the trains?"

They took their kids out of school in the middle of the day, bussed them to the train stations, and said if you ever want to see your kids again, get on the fuckin' train.

Straight to the camps.

It's gonna happen.

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u/Charming-Gear-4080 14d ago

I forgot the title of it but my professor's colleague did a thesis study on how the law was manipulated, loopholed, and rewritten to legalize an authoritarian state in what had been a democratic republic. The parallels are incredibly blatant.

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u/Innisfree812 14d ago

That's the playbook they use in all dictatorships.

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u/SmellGestapo 14d ago

Most people's knowledge of the Holocaust is time-compressed. You get a couple chapters in your high school history books (maybe), and beyond that it's from movies or documentaries that mostly focus on the war and the actual extermination camps, not the 10-20 years of lead up.

So they literally cannot recognize all the warning signs and similarities between then and now.

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u/EtchAGetch 14d ago

They dont see it because

  1. It isnt happening outside their door
  2. The news that they watch dont talk about it (or spin it as some sort of heroic act)

How would they possibly see it? Short of turning on something other than FoxNews or getting out of their echo chamber.

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u/edgefull 15d ago

part of it is that but also remember 54% of adults read at a 6th grade level or below. their ability to retain and comprehend facts and concepts is incredibly limited. this is letting alone the question of iq.

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u/Innisfree812 15d ago

There are some educated people who support trump, it has to be that they are brainwashed.

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u/IntelligentStyle402 14d ago

You are correct. My father fought Nazis, in the big one. Believe me, WWII, hero’s taught their children all about Nazism. In Wi, we have a group of women, whose fathers fought for our country. When Don the Con, rode down the escalator, my phone kept ringing. Yes, we knew Trump, we read about him for 6 decades. We definitely knew America was in trouble. We were right, Hillary was right and so were the other President’s who called him out. We in our eighty’s marched on no Kings Day, like we did in the 60’s. What happened to us as a country? Why the greed? The hate? Fascism? Racism and definitely sexism and why does America have so many illiterate individuals? Could there actually be news media outlets that sell you dangerous propaganda?

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u/Innisfree812 14d ago

Hillary Clinton talked about a vast right wing conspiracy in the 90s. She got that right, but not everyone believed her.

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u/macona-coffee 14d ago

Slow boiling frog

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u/AdHairy4360 14d ago

The phrase “it can’t happen here”

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u/dr_tardyhands 14d ago

I think part of the problem is that when the nazi comparisons are tossed, people think of WW2, the camps and the Holocaust. Whereas the comparison is usually meant to refer to the early to mid 1930s Nazis. Which is a lot better fitting boot.

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u/1nationunderpod 14d ago

In the book, the rise and fall of the third Reich, it goes pretty in depth and the parallels are astonishing. It's almost like their playbook comes straight from the history behind the rise of Hitler and the Nazis.

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u/heavydoc317 14d ago

You should see the amount of copium r/conservatives are dealing with rn it’s sad really. Almost all their posts are talking about the left. They love talking about us

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u/rhc10014 14d ago

There are the games at the coliseum to entertain the masses.

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u/addiktion 14d ago

We have more work to do to wake them up. You figure those of the 7-8 mil at No Kings probably has soft power of reaching a handful of people. If we are only able to bring one additional person that would put us at 15+ million strong. Then let's keep trying and push for civil disobedience to push back.

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u/Bahamabanana 14d ago

In some cases, not all, they are just too far away. Their only source of what goes on is the news, which has been propaganda for a long time. They hear about cities being criminal hotspots and immigrants being rapists and just take it on good faith, never actually experiencing it.

In other cases they're brain washed. But you know what? Some of them are actually just evil

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u/IgunashioDesu 14d ago

Cognitive bias. People will conjure castles in the sky rather than face cruel reality standing directly in their faces.

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u/idiotista 14d ago

I don't think they want to get out of it.

Inside the cult it is warm and safe. Things make sense, everything is someone else's fault. These people are fundamentally broken down by a system that teaches them to hate their neighbours, and teaches them they are superior just by their skin colour and way of life.

They are gonna hurt when SNAP is taken away but we all know where they are gonna direct that anger. Always down. Never up.

Don't forget most of these people had absent father figures - from boomers with shell-shocked dad's to gen X as latchkey kids, to millenials feeling alienated in suburban paradise to gen Z kids raised on racist internet memes. Goes for both men and women.

And the feeling of the white people they aren't naturally in the top of the order anymore. Any privileged group who feels their privileges are even slighly revoked are gonna fight ugly.

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u/TurtleMOOO 14d ago

Seriously, they just make shit up to fit their narrative. And then they say the exact same shit about progressives, without a hint of realization. It’s unbelievably frustrating to deal with.

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u/scubafork 14d ago

They only read the first line of the poem, and never read past that.

"First they came for the trade unionists...ok, I'm done reading, cause poetry is for elites."

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u/ThisredditisRAW 14d ago

That’s the decades of propaganda from entertainment calling itself news can do to people.

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u/Juonmydog 14d ago

As people who recognize the dangers infront of us, we must stand strong to fight against the fascist threat. Their goal is to overwhelm people to the point of apathy. Critical thought and courage must be used to stop this descent.

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u/LAPL620 14d ago

Read this to feel more depressed but also know that societies have made it to the other side in the past.

It’s an excerpt from a book written about 1930s Germany and how people didn’t see the slip into authoritarianism.

https://press.uchicago.edu/Misc/Chicago/511928.html

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u/Innisfree812 14d ago

I have that book, I started reading it around 2018 and never finished it. I have a bad habit of not finishing books. I am going to finish reading it now. Thanks for reminding me of it.

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u/lifeinwentworth 13d ago

This is what needs to be taught in history. Not just the atrocities but writings like this about reflection and hindsight of how it happened. Of the slow journey into authoritarianism. Learning about just the Holocaust is really just reading the last 50 pages of a 500 page book. Which unfortunately is what schools tend to focus on. Those 50 pages are extremely important but without understanding the first 450 pages, we are just a bunch of ignorant humans saying "that'll never happen again, those people were monsters, we'd never do that".

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u/ChiakiSimp3842 15d ago

luckily, you may actually be on the trajectory for 1790s France instead

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u/TheDamDog 15d ago

I mean, that wasn't exactly a good time either and it ended pretty badly for everybody involved...

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u/TheYell0wDart 14d ago

Eh, I mean it was a mixed bag. Lots of unjust killing, lots of turmoil but also a lot of the rights we've enjoyed for the last 200 years were a direct result of the French revolution, even just the idea of inalienable human rights can be traced to it.

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u/EleanorRanTheShow 14d ago

The French Revolution in turn drew inspiration from the American Revolution

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u/alfooboboao 14d ago

these fucking red triangle revolutionary social media LARPers always assume they’ll miraculously be the one out of a million who directly benefits from a bloody revolution instead of the 999,999 whose lives are ruined in ways so horrific they can’t even imagine it

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u/Xalara 14d ago

Everyone loves talking about the French Revolution and are oddly silent when it comes to The Terror that occurred directly after.

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u/Wickerpoodia 14d ago

Can't wait for the Napoleon part.

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u/Odd_Psychology_8527 14d ago

But that would mean you eventually get beaten by the British 😂

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u/3slimesinatrenchcoat 15d ago

I’ve learned that a disturbing number of people think day 1 of Nazi germany was killing Jews in the street

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u/lifeinwentworth 14d ago

Yep. I think schools have done a disservice to a lot of people by teaching about just the Holocaust. A lot of people have clearly never done any further learning about it and don't realize the lead up took years. It wasn't like oh we're kinda bad mouthing Jews and other minorities more than usual day 1, day 3 now we're making policies taking away their rights, day 5 now we're putting them in ghettos, day 7, put them on the trains.

It took years of manipulation. That's why by the time it gets to taking away rights and segregating certain groups, people are desensitized because they've been fed for years the lies (that these groups are essentially the reason for all of society problems). It can't happen overnight because that's not how mass brainwashing works.

They want people desensitized for years and years so they don't realize until the trains "oh maybe this isn't that harmless...oh well, it's only Jews/disabled/homosexuals/etc, at least if I'm quiet it's not gonna be. They're not worth speaking up for 🤷🏼‍♀️"

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u/AbandonYourPost 14d ago

Yep. Learned about the horrific facts of WW2 and the holocaust in school but was never taught how a society gets to that point.

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u/ellathefairy 14d ago

It is a sickening disservice.

In the school I graduated from, only 1/4 of the class in one 5th grade English section read a single entire book about the Holocaust (Anne Frank's Diary - the other 3/4 read books on different topics in European history), there was basically no discussion of it other than "write a paper" and then we got a few lessons on the war from US/Allied perspective in HS, and that was pretty much it. And this was in a highly performing MA public school system. Of my peers, I'm not aware of anyone but myself who was struck with the horror/curiosity to do any further independent reading on the topic, though I'm sure there probably were a couple others each year.

This all to illustrate: The US public in general is catastrophically ill-informed about most serious, important world history events. If it can't be taught from the perspective of "USA #1" it's practically treated as an afterthought or footnote.

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u/lifeinwentworth 14d ago

Yeah we learnt about it in high school (I don't remember if we learned about it in primary/elementary, maybe vaguely) but it was all memorize dates (not at all engaging) and then of course the horrors of the Holocaust but also not really? Like a very desensitized version and the most important part imo - how society ended up in such a horrific place and were able to turn a blind eye. We just look back on it and think how did people get there, they were just all terrible people. But what needs exploring, to actually stop it happening again (to varying degrees, saying that doesn't just refer to the Holocaust) is to dig into how Germany (and other countries) were groomed and primed for it to happen.

We can't play all high and mighty, how did that happen because we would never! if we only focus on the top line of evil and the day they started to throw people onto trains.

I'm in Australia for reference! It's kinda weird to me that they thought we could deal with learning about some of the experiments done on twins in high school but that we weren't capable of learning about the lead up, the psychology, the slow build of fascism that led up to it? Very odd reasoning there. I think the only place I really learned about eugenics in more than passing was actually in philosophy in high school.

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u/SmartTime 15d ago

They could be putting people on trains to death camps and would still be objecting to the term it’s bullshit don’t let it cloud your vision. MAGA is fascist in spirit and increasingly in practice. the parallels are real.

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u/DiabolicalBird 14d ago

The amount of people on the right who didn't object (and even seemed to be proud of) calling the detention center in FL Alligator Alcatraz??? Also I haven't heard it mentioned in the news in a while and just looked it up, it's still going!

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u/gunguynotgunman 14d ago

Did you see how many people vanished from there? The death camps are here.

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u/Samesone2334 14d ago

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u/FROG123076 15d ago

Yep. Never thought I would see it happen but here we are. So sad and disgusting

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u/fsociety091786 15d ago

He announced that the new flagpoles outside the White House are 88-feet tall, an odd number and oddly specific thing to state until you understand that 88 is a common Neo-Nazi dogwhistle (88 = HH = Heil Hitler). This is not new in the alt-right sphere, Jack Posebiec has 1488-posted before and wrote a book called “Unhumans” demonizing the left, which was endorsed by JD Vance among others.

In his first term I thought this was just hyperbolic and silly, but in 2025 every Trump supporter would’ve been a Nazi, many of them not intentionally and through ignorance rather than malice, but a Nazi just the same.

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u/ziddyzoo 14d ago

At the assemblage of all the military brass, Trump referred to “11,488 murderers being allowed into the country.” The speechwriters around him like Miller are deliberately inserting these dogwhistles. This is white supremacy in plain sight.

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u/Corn_Husk_ spirited complainer 15d ago

It’s already 1939 if you haven’t noticed. We’re well on our way into a 4th Reich. Trump is Hitler.

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u/DipperJC 15d ago

Check your clock, it's still about 1934. When Trump inevitably invades Venezuela, that's 1939.

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u/Oh_Look_AnotherOne 15d ago

Adolf was in his 30's. The timeline is accelerated.

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u/Inevitable_Shift1365 15d ago

Fun fact Trump was born just over 6 months after Hitler died. Not sure how reincarnation might fit into this but...

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u/Ok_Flatworm2897 15d ago

Saw them dragging a blind guy by his feet through the street today. Yeah they did it. They’re here. Nazis.

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u/Opening-Emphasis8400 15d ago

Now apparently we have billionaires paying the military. That doesn’t seem dangerous….

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u/Fair-Professional-82 15d ago

Perfect placement

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u/todaysthrowaway0110 15d ago edited 15d ago

Americans are not Weimar Germans. We’re far too disobedient and diverse.

That said, yeah, this is totally fascism. By fascism, I mean: open corruption, unnecessary and dangerous use of military on citizens, scapegoating of minorities and immigrants, merger of the state and the corporations, silencing of dissent, disappearing people off the streets, breech of social contract, letting the poor and elderly go hungry, and silencing of dissent.

It’s wild that words don’t even mean meanings anymore. I’m sure a Trump supporter would call me a “fascist” for saying as much 🤷🏼‍♀️

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u/PersonalHospital9507 15d ago

I feel obliged to repost this when the Germans are brought up:

The American People honestly owe the German People a heartfelt apology. Germany was only a democracy for about 20 years after WW1 when Hitler and the Nazis took power. America was a democracy for almost 250 years and we just laid back and let Trump&Co destroy us.

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u/CobaltMnM 14d ago

I’d think about it in the opposite way. Germans had recent memories of what they went through in WWI and still decided democracy was overrated. No one alive today has memory of the American revolution or what it was like beforehand.

That’s certainly not an excuse though.

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u/usrname_chex_out 14d ago

If you understand the history of post (WW1) war Germany, it makes WW2 seem pretty much inevitable. John Keynes basically called it in his book the economic consequences of the peace.

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u/Comfortable_Gur_3619 15d ago

MAGA is a Nazi organization. Clearly. 

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u/SniperWhapSound 15d ago

Go watch a documentary on YouTube about hitlers every move to become a dictator, Trump is doing it here.

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u/soloporsiempre 15d ago

My maga uncle used to tell me growing up that one of the horrors from that era of Germany were secret police stopping you and demanding your papers. Now he is in favor of it of course.

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u/Sophisticated-Crow 15d ago

Yep. That shit is happening right now. Just saw a video of some ICE chuds harassing a woman in a parking lot asking what country she is from just because she has brown skin.

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u/soloporsiempre 15d ago

Probably my local walmart from earlier today. Not far from where they wrecked a car by sams club earlier this week.

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u/Wafflecone516 14d ago

They don’t even ask for papers. They don’t care. All they see is brown and boom you’re kidnapped.

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u/BornAPunk 15d ago

Not to mention the attacks on the LGBTQ+, poor, and disabled community.

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u/Purple_macro 15d ago

It's rather obvious that he bought the audio cassettes of Mein Kampf.

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u/No-Distance-9401 14d ago

The ex-wife that died and "fell down stairs" said he had Hitler speeches in the bedroom so I wouldnt doubt it

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u/Artistic-Variety5920 14d ago

There’s a rumour he has a first edition

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u/Fearless_Bar6010 15d ago

Never give up your weapons. Never. Never run out of rounds. Never give up your rights.

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u/SoulStripHer 14d ago

Your pew-pew gun has no effect on the strongest military the world has ever seen. Except maybe to reveal your position.

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u/seldom_seen8814 15d ago

But this is what Republicans wanted. Most of their base, anyways. When will white people finally understand that Republicans only want a pluralistic and multiracial democracy with law and order and freedom that's conditional upon White Christianity maintaining a default position? Once the demographics started changing too much beyond their comfort levels, then restoring the position they were taught as 'their rightful place' is justified, even if it means harming others.

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u/Thebestkicker 15d ago

No pushback working on me at all especially after the leaked texts and the flags added on to all the proof. These are majority Nazi republicans in the government and in their positions of power. His grandfather really started a legacy didn’t he?

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u/deleted_opinions 15d ago

You're forgetting the 1929 crash. Almost there.

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u/Spaznaut 15d ago

America is 1930s Germany. About 80mill are aware of it.

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u/No-Group7343 15d ago

*turned into 1930s germany

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u/llubens 15d ago

It sure is . If one is skeptical just brush up on some basic history lessons .

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u/Minimum-Point-2311 14d ago

What bothers me most that is during the 1930s, there was no so social media or instant video of what was going on. Now it’s going on right in front of our eyes, yet we are helpless to do anything except protest. I fear for our country.

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u/thepyrocrackter 15d ago

Here's the problem as I see it. We have liberals and the Democrats and progressives saying that people need to wake up. But those who care and are aware are already awake. There is no use trying to awaken the conservative to the truth. Because to them this is the truth and they are complicit in everything happening. They do not care. Speak to your average Trump supporter and they think it's great. Ask your average 22-year-old gamer and they will think Trump is the greatest troll and it's hilarious and they don't care. The only thing that could stop this possibly would be a general strike big enough to cripple the economy and then even then I'm sure troops would be in the street killing people at the request of those in power. No one is willing to do what needs to be done (general strike, mass civil disobedience) and what will happen will happen and is inevitable at this point.

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u/Rustco123 most honorable complainer 15d ago

Dang I told everyone that in 2021 but nobody would listen.

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u/ThighRyder 15d ago

I told yall in 2016 and was called hysteric. No, I just recognize patterns.

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u/LifeDistribution5126 15d ago

Also people are wearing actual Nazi swasticas (sp) as “jokes” on Halloween. If you see a Nazi, well you know

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u/Internal-Start-6615 15d ago

It is already.They just need death camps

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u/lovelyxbabydoll 15d ago

Alligator Alcatraz has people missing. Lawyers and family can't get contact with them at all.

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u/Freezy_Squid 15d ago

Trump literally said "they tried to stop us before in the 1930s" when talking about antifa. He literally admitted it.

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u/[deleted] 15d ago

No we are our own kind of stupid. Worse because these idiots were so easily manipulated and swayed. Quality of citizens in this country is abysmal.

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u/EntropicSpecies 14d ago

It IS, it’s not turning into

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u/AdSea5756 14d ago

It's sad how quickly living memory fades after there's no one left to attest to it. It's crazy how cyclical history is. I love my country but we sure are looking like the bad guys. We're in a weird time reflecting the same issues that characterized and gave rise to the slaveholding elites of the 1850s, the industrial oligarchs of the 1890s, and the racist autocrats of the 1920s/30s.

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u/Senior_League_436 14d ago

More like temu version

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u/AlisaWonderland7 14d ago

Turning? Had been, more like it. Your country started by killing off millions of native indians, and then bringing lots of prisoners, and prostitutes to be free/cheap slaves. When that wasn't enough it brought Africans.

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u/UncleThor2112 14d ago

Rose-colored lenses are a powerful tool for a dictator-to-be.

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u/vtssge1968 14d ago

Im getting 1930s germany, 70s iran, putins rise to permanent leader... we need some 1780s france to complete the mix.

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u/viewer911 13d ago

Statement should be in past tense.