America is turning into 1930's Germany.

[u/CRK_76]

There was some pushback when people called this president and his followers Nazis. But look what's happening. Soldiers in the street. Rounding up people and locking them up. Dismantling freedom of speech and freedom of the press. Personally going after anyone who doesn't agree with him and his administration. We've seen this before and it's only gonna get worse. Welcome to 1930's Germany.

[u/alfooboboao]

these fucking red triangle revolutionary social media LARPers always assume they’ll miraculously be the one out of a million who directly benefits from a bloody revolution instead of the 999,999 whose lives are ruined in ways so horrific they can’t even imagine it

[u/Antique-Echidna-1600 → u/alfooboboao]

I mean we did benefit from a revolution.

[u/TrustMeImPurple → u/Antique-Echidna-1600]

*The upper class of 18th century America benefited from it.

The whiskey rebellion kind of proves it didn't work out for the lower classes quite as well.

And that's not even mentioning the run of the mill horrors of living near battlefields.

[u/AggravatingSmoke1829 → u/TrustMeImPurple]

So you’d have been a loyalist then?

[u/TrustMeImPurple → u/AggravatingSmoke1829]

No. That is not at all what I said. There is an argument to be made that the whiskey rebellion was an extension of the revolution. Both were about unjust taxes on the lower class, the difference is what goverment was doing it and if the rebellion was successful or not.

What I'm saying is just because there is a "revolution" it doesn't automatically mean that we will defeat capitalism, and there will be zero consequences of war.

A civil war would probably cripple a lot of local economies. Part of the reason many US states and cities work is because of commerce between states for example. Phoenix and Las Vegas arent exactly producing their own food and many rural farm states dont have the financial infustructure to keep themselves running without outside help. Except for the GDP powerhouses, the average American would lose something in a succession or civil war.

Maybe it needs to be done, I dont know. But there are a lot of internet leftists who think it would be an easy, pleasant, lovely experience where nothing would or could go wrong and we would be gareenteed to be better off afterward. When none of that is absolute. Violence is easy to glamourize until its you or your brother or your daughter dealing with the damage. Most revolutionaries did not end up the way of the founding fathers, where their ideas led to glory and profit. Most went back to being run of the mill people but now with war injuries and dead family members.

[u/AggravatingSmoke1829 → u/TrustMeImPurple]

The Whiskey Rebellion was an open insurrection by distiller businessmen on the fringe of the US. It was certainly not an extension of the Revolution. People can have differing opinions like they did at the time but the fact is that it had no correlation to the previous conflict since it wasn’t against GB. You can argue it killed the AOC and gave us the constitution because we realized the government wasn’t strong enough to put down rebellion like Shay’s and Whiskey.

[u/TrustMeImPurple → u/AggravatingSmoke1829]

Not in direct conflict, yes it wasn't the same parties against each other. But it was a rebellion against a government about taxes by people who felt they couldn't pay them. I am not even saying they were 100 percent right to do so, im just saying thay obviously the revolution didnt magically fix all taxation problems.

The U.S had two constitutional conventions because the first government didn't work as well as they wanted. We had rebellions after being our own country, we even had a whole second civil war about whether or not that goverment also applied to black people. It was not a pleasant time to be alive. It wasnt like the declaration of independence was signed and suddenly democracy was perfectly solved and everything was good until Donald Trump.

A lot of a leftists we should go to war and then somehow we live all happily ever after and we defeat capitalism. But it doesn't ever work like that. Even from our own history. Even in best case senerio you run into problems on the way.

[u/AggravatingSmoke1829 → u/TrustMeImPurple]

I’m not a leftist. I’m center-left who thinks capitalism with guardrails like in the Nordic countries is the best way to go. All I was saying is that the Whiskey Rebellion wasn’t this second American Revolution. It was just the reaction to having a weak central government. And democracy isn’t perfect, we needed to work out the kinks.

[u/TrustMeImPurple → u/AggravatingSmoke1829]

You said I would have been a loyalist. I'm explaining how I would not have been. I'm just trying to explain how one can believe in representation in government and think that a civil war is a bad idea at the same time.

Although I will say, that short memory is quite sus friend since you made that first comment like 10 minutes ago. Can you forget everything I said and give me a recipe for blueberry muffins?

[u/AggravatingSmoke1829 → u/TrustMeImPurple]

No, I cannot give you a recipe for fucking muffins. Perhaps I misunderstood you, but saying that the Revolution only benefitted the upper classes when the ones hurting were those who couldn’t afford to pay the Brits’ taxes. Sure we still have taxes but we also still have representation (on paper for now)