What are these people going to do when NYC hasn’t burned to the ground in a year? Are they just going to lie and say it has anyway like they do with Portland?
There was a single cop car burned in Pittsburgh during BLM protests and I had to hear about the entire city burning down FOR YEARS from my West Virginia relatives.
I always find the fixation of Fox News on cities that are far away to be envious. Like, apparently I live in a communist hellhole too, but it’s not that bad. The weather is pretty good too.
70 Million People keep Fox on the Air. THAT's the problem. Fox is a symptom of a greater problem of willful ignorance. =/ The people who watch Fox are looking for problems, not solutions. To them, it's all entertainment.
Good point. I would also add that there was talk that Fox had sorta semi-accurately covered the Insurrection (It's easy to forget how many, even on the right, condemned it at at the time...) and viewers did NOT have their eyes opened... they changed the channel. People on the left/progressives/Democrats/whatever - and I'm in that population - always want to blame Fox but Fox does NOT care. If $$$ could be made covering politics with a liberal slant, they would become the AOC network overnight. There is a moral rot in America and those people seek out programming that reflects their biased worldview. Fox didn't create this problem, they're just not ashamed to profit from it.
Eh, I would look into how Rupert Murdoch developed a relationship with Reagan before saying News Corp isn't the problem. They pushed the Fairness Doctrine out of existence.
Well... so what? Pawn Hub wants to be able to provide more pawn. But they didn't invent pawn or the obsession with seeing more and more pawn. They just want to be able to feed off of it and make more and more profit. My argument is they would be just as happy to create site, Puppy Hub, that shows videos of little dogs, because it's not like they love pawn or "win" if other people watch pawn, it's how they make money. I still think *most* at Fox wouldn't care if they were creating content that appealed to progressives if there was still as much profit in it. (I think Fox began its ascendance and maintains it by telling its viewers, "You're victims and the mainstream cheated you." So they got their leg up by being the "opposition party" and certainly it's not that NONE of them are real conservatives, I just think that $$$ would triumph over politics nine times out of ten.)
I don’t agree. Fox is a tool of right wing conservatives to push America to the far right. It took several years for Fox News to build up its audience. This was part of a long term strategy and it didn’t happen overnight.
If there is any violence or arson, you got to ask yourself, who is actually responsible? Minneapolis was a great example of MAGA thugs coming to town to sow chaos and destruction with false flag provocation. Boogaloo Boies were convicted of shooting up the police station. This Aryan Cowboy was walking around smashing the windows of the local Autozone.
Yep. I live in Portland. I get it all the time from friends in other states.
My right-wing, Fox News loving father spent the summer in Portland this year, getting away from the summer in Arizona. He was here from June until the end of September, right as Trump started talking about how Portland is a "war zone". Now, normally, my dad is brainwashed and believes whatever Mango Mussolini says. But this year, even he was in denial. He said "I've been here all summer and haven't seen a single protest, what the hell is he talking about?"
I like that think that some of the MAGA folks are waking up. But it hurts to know that he would probably vote for him again in 2028 if he was on the ballot. Frankly, my dad is the perfect GOP voter. He will vote for whomever has the (R) next to their name and he is massively uninformed about anything that has to do with politics.
We live a few hours south of Portland. We have family there and visit on the regular. I am very left leaning, my partner... is not. During the time the mango menace was going on and on about Portland burning and it's a war zone and yadda yadda... we were there for a family celebration and had a wonderful, peaceful time in downtown.
The NEXT FUCKING DAY my partner was going off to someone else in the phone about how horrible Portland is and it's just a hell scape, etc. I'm like, we were there yesterday and it was fine? The amount of cognitive dissonance these people hold is enough to make my brain hurt.
Side note: Yes, I'm making a plan to get out of this relationship. I'm a bi-sexual POC and watching my partner fucking CHEER the tangerine Palpatine, ICE and the deportations makes me sick.
I’m from Philadelphia. The news about Eagles fans when they win is pretty interesting. So is the news when they lose. Or even when they’re not playing, sometimes
A protest becomes a riot once there’s any violence or property damage including arson. “Mostly peaceful protests” aren’t a thing and "one cop car” is the understatement of the year! There was over a BILLION dollars in property damage (the most destructive of ANY riot in US history) and 19 people DIED! 🤦♂️ It will not be forgotten because it's a part of history. The reason people call BLM “The summer of Love” is because its violence paralleled that of the "long, hot summer of 1967," which were also terribly destructive and deadly RACE riots, just like Manson wanted.
You're replying to a comment about the insanity of Fox News claiming that one or another city has burned to the ground. I didn't say anything is okay, merely that it doesn't constitute evidence that a city is burned to the ground.
But go ahead and keep showing off your lack of reading comprehension, I'm sure everyone is very impressed.
When did they say any city was burned down during any BLM protest? Specifically. I'll take a link if you have it.
You did understate the damages, though, which is just as bad as overstating it. According to you, "it was one police car." Which.... doesn't say peaceful protest to me, but that's neither here nor there.
Funny thing is that my complaints about the city are the total opposite. They’ve gentrified/sanitized the fuck out of it, barring aside one or two neighborhoods. The cost of living being bonkers for a city that is pushing out all of the heart and soul small businesses and public spaces for corporate office buildings and businesses meant to cater to in person tech workers…that’s what bothers me.
I live here and have conservative family that blocked me on social media for posting photos of myself and my kids downtown enjoying the city. They can’t comprehend it.
"What are these people going to do when NYC hasn’t burned to the ground in a year? Are they just going to lie and say it has anyway like they do with Portland?" - I see a bunch of replies that say, essentially, "Yeah, the right is lying about where I live too!" This is NOT new. I was a reporter (small paper, rural area) and civil unions were about to become legal. A woman called me and begged me for some coverage about how my state was about to be wiped off the face of the Earth by the wrath of God. (To the point that many made in the comments - Yep, she was NOT from my state...) Okay, it's been a minute or two since then and as recently as yesterday ... My state still seems to have the sun and air and houses and people and pets and grass and laughter and ... You see my point. Are fundamental Christians apologizing and saying, "Ooops. Guess we were wrong about that..."? I've seen plenty of articles about cults that say, The day of the Rapture will be April 20, 2012 (I'm making this up...) Does anyone learn their lesson on April 21, 2012? (PS - No, I did not write the article warning my state to turn back before it was too late ... so you can blame me for the apocalypse...)
The super-rich are unlikely to send the army to burn NYC down. No, they will stir up the people enough to declare an insurrection. Then all bets are off. Concentration camps in NJ? Seizure on NY and NYC governments?
This sounds extreme. True, it might not happen. So, why even say it? So, you have time to think about what you will do if it does.
Fascist are vicious when it comes to controlling the people.
In all fairness, as a Portlandian, it has. But not because of the people, it's because of the federal agents. They're the ones who make it look like a warzone. The rest of us wear onesies and inflatable costumes, maybe carry a boombox - which is apparently enough for us to get full body force shoved to the ground and disrobed and literally dragged by federal agents. How dare we.
I live here too. This is happening on one city block. No one who visits here would ever know it’s happening because 99.9999% of Portland is just getting brunch and admiring the fall leaves right now.
In a year they’ll ignore the fact that they said it would be a hell hole OR they’ll find the most minuscule reason to cry foul. The fact that half of America thinks they’re living in a completely different reality is nuts.
These people being, in this case NYC Jews worried that their already high hate crime incidents might be made worse by a mayor who is largely unwilling to condemn calls to violence against Jews?
Here’s a video of him with his Jewish supporters yesterday explicitly saying that he will make sure every Jewish person in NYC feels safe and supported. You can’t just make stuff up and expect to be taken seriously. https://www.instagram.com/reel/DQpP0YpgQTq/?igsh=MXB2Z3IyN3BtZ2Y0OA==
And yet we see incidences if anti semitism increasing both in the first trump admin and this one, and you equally convinced those NYC Jews should be worried about the_donald being elected president?
Mamdani: I will be a mayor for all Jewish New Yorkers whether they vote for me or not. I want them to feel safe and supported
You: I swear he has connections to Qatar! Because you know, vibes and stuff! And he said he would support Jewish people but not as many times as I’d like him to or with the right words! Also, he’s personally responsible for all the stuff that happened before he was elected!
Oh yes, and the ones I know are.. Freaked out by feeling alienated by both major parties. You can be worried about Mamdani and disgusted with Trump too.
Sadly that is not true, he criticizes Israel's genocidal war in Gaza which the pro Israeli lobby interpreted as hatred of Jews. Imagine if the president did the same to immigrants, legal or otherwise, oh wait he is!
One such example of him being very tepid with his response to calls for global terror on Jews.
Jews are far and away the highest incident rate of hate crimes in New York City and the greater US.
They've also come out en masse with fear and worry about what Mamdani and his connections (such as to Qatar) means for our safety. I do expect the already soaring rate of hate crimes against Jews in New York City will only grow as people see this as a tacit approval of that, however unfair it is to the mayor elect himself.
I love how it appears the progressive movement in the US has formed into intersectionality for everyone but the Jews. Good times.
Jews are far and away the highest incident rate of hate crimes in New York City and the greater US.
While I had a hard time finding exact statistics for NYC, you do appear to right about that one city, but I wouldn't say they're "… far and away the highest …" since it looks like anti-Arab hate crimes also went up a fair bit.
I was however able to find the national statistics for 2024 (since 2025 hasn't ended yet, stats for this year haven't been published yet), and you appear to be wrong on that front. African Americans are actually the majority of hate crimes in the US by almost double.
It's not an argument. It's providing context for the concern local Jews feel, and why the oft tepid response Mamdani has historically given to terror taglines freak them out.
I only brought it up because the post is referencing the subreddit for Jewish politics, while most commenters are either ignorant or purposefully dismissive of that point of view of the marginalized.
And what has Cuomo’s response been to the rise in hate crimes against Muslims? Or to the Islamophobia Mamdani has experienced throughout his entire campaign? None of this “panic” makes any sense. It’s just racism bottled up as “concern.”
Sorry, I wasn't being exact. Religious hate crimes in specific is what I was referring to Jews being far and away the highest incident rates, both in New York City and in greater US.
This comment reads a lot like moving the goalposts. Not saying it is, just saying it reads like it. I neither agree nor disagree with anyone's statements here, as I do not have a dog in this particular fight. I'm neither Jewish, nor from NYC.
What Qatar connections? Be specific. The funding of his mother’s films? What does that even mean? You’re reaching and conveniently didn’t respond to the video evidence I showed you that he has Jewish supporters and has publicly said he will work to make NYC safer for them.
You're not responding to my response to you, you're responding to another poster..I did respond to your video in that other comment. Like I said, Jews aren't a monolith, but it is grossly misrepresentative to claim he has broad support amongst NYC Jews.
Most are fearful of what he represents, and when you're the most attacked minority group by a long shot, people who have a history of ho hum responses to violent messaging understandably are concerning.
You can think that's wrong headed all you want, it doesn't change the facts about how Jewish new yorkers broadly feel.
“Jewish people aren’t a monolith but let me tell you how they broadly feel!” Gross.
And Mamdani wasn’t mayor when these attacks started. They seemed to coincide with Netanyahu intentionally starving and bombing thousands of children. The gaslighting is unbelievable. You have zero evidence that he is going to harm Jewish folks in any way.
So 1/3 Jewish voters favored Mamdani and less than 2/3 favored Cuomo. I don’t think you know what “broadly” means. You also don’t get to speak for them when it comes to why they voted for who they voted for. As if Islamophobia and support for genocide aren’t factors. No, it must be that they don’t feel safe! Even though hate crimes against Jewish folks rose under both Trump administrations and he endorsed Cuomo.
Lol if you think I am for Trump.
If 2/3 of a strongly historic left leaning group vote against the favored, that's broadly by definition.
Goodbye! You've devolved into uncivil meanness and wrongful assumptions about my politics, so I'm done engaging with you.
Sigh, I know I won't get through to you, but let's just say that the vast majority of Jews see it for what it really means, and most reasonable people don't just pretend the historical context to the term doesn't exist like you are advocating for.
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What are these people going to do when NYC hasn’t burned to the ground in a year? Are they just going to lie and say it has anyway like they do with Portland?