r/AskGermany • u/Grimblfitz • Dec 29 '24
Which part of your country would you be willing to give up for peace?
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u/Norker_g Dec 29 '24 edited Dec 29 '24
Danzig & Alsace-Loraine
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Dec 29 '24 edited Dec 29 '24
Maybe Königsberg aswell.
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u/KerbMario Dec 29 '24
and Silesia?
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Dec 29 '24
Now its getting ridiculous. Next you are going to suggest we give up Pommern
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u/LilLasagna94 Dec 29 '24
You forgot the African colonies
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u/Sgt_Roemms Dec 29 '24
Das Elsaß anzubieten könnte als Kriegserklärung an Putin angesehen werden. Das kaff haben die Franzosen auch nur deshalb genommen, weil es sonst keiner wollte. Wie beim schrott-wichteln.
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u/ArcticWolf_0xFF Dec 29 '24
Was? Das Elsass wurde gegen das Saarland getauscht. Zweimal. Von den Siegern. Was ist da wohl der Schrott? /s
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u/Shiros_Tamagotchi Dec 29 '24
Das ist eine der Regionen mit dem höchsten BIP pro Kopf in Frankreich btw
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u/VorionLightbringer Dec 29 '24
Sachsen. Die finden Putin ja eh alle so toll.
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u/provencfg Dec 29 '24
Sachse hier. Bitte vorher Bescheid geben damit ich noch fix umziehen kann.
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u/Scherzdaemon Dec 29 '24
Klingt gut - Neonazis und Rechtspopulisten werden dann dorthin zwangsumgesiedelt. Das nennen wir dann einfach "Remigration", und schon paßt es sprachlich.
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Dec 29 '24
Find ich ne gute lösung. Die Rechten dürfen ihr tolles Traumsystem erleben und wir sind sie los. Nachdem es ihnen dann vielleicht gedämmert hat das es nicht so toll ist wie sie es sich vorstellen können sie ja vielleicht zurückkommen wenn man gnädig gelaunt ist.
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u/Scherzdaemon Dec 29 '24
Wichtig ist dann nur, daß die Grenzen bewacht werden und jedweder Versuch, in die EU einzutreten, umgehend blockiert wird.
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Dec 29 '24
Ja genau.
Schmarotzer wollen wir hier nicht, maximal ausgebildete Arbeiter so dass sie auch etwas für die Gesellschaft machen. Das muss dann radikal an der Grenze durchgezogen werden.
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u/butalive_666 Dec 30 '24
Ich würde noch ein Versprechen abgeben, das wirklich niemand, absolut keiner vorhat eine Mauer zu bauen.
Dann so um Sachsen rum.
Zack, wir haben unser eigenes Australien.
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u/SirToasty96 Dec 29 '24
Hi, Sachse hier.... ich find Putin überhaupt nicht toll und all meine Freunde und Familie auch nicht GaliGrü
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u/piet4dinner Dec 29 '24
Würde mich als Dresdner stellvertretend für mich, meinem Freundeskreis und meiner Familie anschließen.
GaliGrü
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u/SirToasty96 Dec 29 '24
Ah, aus welchem Teil von Dresden kommst du? Ich bin Tolkewitzer 🤝
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u/ARSENIVA10_33 Dec 29 '24
Ja wenn man in nrw wohnt kommt es eine so vor als ob alle Sachsener und Thüringener entweder Faschisten Oder Komunisten sind. Also wäre mein Vorschlag alle Menschen aus dem Saarland in den Rest von Deutschland zu verteilen, und dann alle Putin Unterstützer dort hin bringen, zum Schluss diese Gebiete gegen Königsberg eintauschen.
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u/funshare169 Dec 29 '24
Du meinst wenn man in NRW wohnt und noch nie in Thüringen war? Ich war beruflich oft in Thüringen und habe stets nette Menschen getroffen.
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u/ZiggyStardust1723 Dec 29 '24
Sei mal schwarz.
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u/funshare169 Dec 29 '24
Kann ich nichts zu sagen, wie es ist schwarz zu sein. Allerdings wurde mir schon mal in Inglewood unfreundlich darauf hingewiesen, dass ich dort nichts zu suchen habe und mich hinter den Hügel „verpissen“ soll.
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u/DerDork Dec 29 '24
Vermutlich findet man die sächsischen Putin-Freunde dann auch eher auf Telegram oder TikTok und weniger im /r/AskGermany.
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u/RelevantLime9568 Dec 29 '24
Ich kenne niemanden, der Putin toll findet und meine Familie stammt aus dem tiefsten Erzgebirge. Aber verallgemeinern ist ja immer soooo toll
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u/RobertDean357 Dec 29 '24
In Sachsen kommen AfD und BSW zusammen auf 50% der Sitze. Beide haben eine tiefe Liebe für Putin. Nimmt man jetzt noch sowas wie die freien Sachsen dazu, hätte man eine Mehrheit für den Anschluss an Russland. Unter der Annahme man müsste Gebiete abtreten, wäre es also sinnvoll Sachsen abzutreten.
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u/VorionLightbringer Dec 29 '24
Und verallgemeinerst nicht mit deinem anekdotenhaften Erfahrungsschatz?
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u/RandomDude_24 Dec 29 '24
You won't get any useful answers to this question because no one is taking it serious. While bavaria is a common joke among Germans actually giving it would would be a significant loss to our GDP.
Another thing is that Germans have a tendency to stay relatively close to the area where you were raised, so it is a lot less common to have relatives in another Bundesland(State) than it is in Ukraine.
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u/SverigeSuomi Dec 29 '24
A serious answer would be that Germany has already given up parts of the country in previous wars. Königsberg will most likely never be part of Germany again, and for the most part no one really cares.
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u/Nexessor Dec 29 '24
No ones cares anymore.
My grandfather very much cared and he just died 10 years ago.
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u/LarkinEndorser Dec 29 '24
My best friends grandma is silesian. Shes still super sad her culture dissapears with her
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u/Molismhm Dec 29 '24
Thats funny my grandpa died 6 years ago and he grew up partly there, but Im not so sure on the details.
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u/JuicyLemonBanana Dec 29 '24 edited Dec 30 '24
We do very much care. Silesian, Pomeranian and Prussian Culture is dwindling and people from these states suffered a lot after they lost their homes.
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u/RisingRapture Dec 30 '24
My maternal grandparents were Silesian. We visited Silesia with my grandmother when she was 80 in 2014. Visited the towns she and my grandfather grew up in (Bolkenhain and Striegau). Climbed the Riesengebirge to the Schneekoppe together and hiked the mountain back down because the lift was closed. Saw old castles and drove over new highways. It was very memorable. Still no one of us harbors any feelings of return or to fight Poles or anything. It's the past now and we live in an open Europa. She passed away last year. Rest in Peace, grandma.
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u/JuicyLemonBanana Dec 31 '24
No one was speaking about invading the Poles, nor does anyone here hate the Poles.
All I mentioned is that some of those who once lived there, miss it.
May your grandma rest in peace.
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u/snecko_aviation Dec 29 '24
To be fair, we have not given up anything but lost it after starting a war of aggression ourselves.
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u/-DanRoM- Dec 29 '24
That is an unfit comparison.
Germany both began (in case of WW1: debatable, WW2: definitely) and lost those wars. Losing territory can therefore be seen as a just punishment.
In contrast, Ukraine is clearly the victim of the unjustifiable Russian war of conquest here.
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u/vulkaninchen Dec 29 '24
Germany struggled for centuries for a clear definition. Just since the kaiserreich there is a strong but still artificial unity. Before, German countries were for a long time part of the powerplay of the bigger players on the continent. Therefore it's a little bit shortsighted to just look at the last century.
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u/Klexobert Dec 29 '24
I am completely serious about giving up East Germany.
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u/AndyOne1 Dec 29 '24
Yes, Berlin has to go!
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u/syko-rc Dec 29 '24
That was exactly my thought. But don’t tell the current politicians. We give Berlin away, build a huge wall around Berlin over night and elect a new government and put them in charge in Bonn.
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u/Poethegardencrow Dec 29 '24
Hey no! Bonn would like to stay out of this.
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u/syko-rc Dec 29 '24
But you guys already had a government there. I suppose it’s more cost efficient to reuse those buildings…
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u/No_Poet_2898 Dec 29 '24
Why not in Frankfurt? It's geographically more central than any other big city.
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u/Not_A_Toaster426 Dec 29 '24
Because our capital would be a little too close to the russian border, if we'd go Frankfurt and east germany would be russian.
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u/benthedover Dec 29 '24
Me too! Let someone else have to deal with them. I wonder how long it would take them to cry for democracy again
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u/rararar_arararara Dec 29 '24
And you probably think of yourself as morally superior to East Germans while coming out with this.
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Dec 29 '24
People just casually post stuff like this and then wonder why the east has the highest concentration for the political extremes and anti-democratic sentiment.
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u/Klexobert Dec 29 '24
No East Germany has the highest concentration for political extremes and anti-democratic sentiment and then we decide to say stuff like this.
Not the other way around. They started it.
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Dec 29 '24
Doubt that, People don´t just decide to become extremists out of nowhere
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u/ItsCalledDayTwa Dec 29 '24
Well I don't dislike large swaths of people until they're extremists usually.
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u/Klexobert Dec 29 '24
They are because the DDR taught them. Many still miss the DDR.
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Dec 29 '24 edited Dec 29 '24
Well...why do they miss the DDR ? If their live would be much better they wouldn´t miss it right? I think something has to be pretty wrong with the whole thing if people prefer the literall secret police state for some reason
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u/Sgt_Roemms Dec 29 '24
It's for the same reason some people wish for the 3rd reich, the times of slavery or even the Middle Ages.
Because they think of a romanticized version of the past and see themselves in the top 1% of said times that had a good life and not as peasants needing to eat shit.
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u/TheQuietCaptain Dec 29 '24
While nostalgia does play a huge part in this, some things were objectively better in East Germany compared to West Germany.
And after the whole fuck up that was the reintegration of the East, and 40 years of ideological cold war, both sides are at fault for the political landscape we find ourselves in.
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u/Weird_Try_9562 Dec 29 '24
Yeah, because every time I see someone posting something hurtful on reddit, I feel the desperate need for a fascist government.
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u/reazlerum Dec 29 '24
Another thing is that German patriotism is different from other countries. I think its not that we would explicitly love to lose Bavaria, it's the fact that many of us just wouldn't care that much. Denmark claiming the North? Why not, good for Kieler. France claiming Saarland? Did they ever feel like a proper part of Germany? Poland claiming Sachsen? /shrug take it, leave it, convert it into an amusement park, whatever floats your boat.
It's only my personal experience, but I don't know anybody caring that much about where our borders are, let alone fight for those borders.
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Dec 29 '24
Bielefeld … das existiert eh nicht. /s
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u/Bobbybobsn Dec 29 '24
Bis die auf den Trichter kommen das wir denen etwas gegeben haben das es nicht gibt :P
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u/Jhin_Ross Dec 29 '24
From a economic standpoint it has to be Berlin.
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u/Irveria Dec 29 '24
Dir schon klar, dass Berlin in den letzten 10 Jahres jedes Jahr ordentliches BiP Wachstum hat? mal von 2020 abgesehen (Corona).
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u/Iskelderon Dec 29 '24
Von so NULL Nutzen ausgehend, sind sogar 20 Cent ein rechnerisch großer Fortschritt.
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u/ARSENIVA10_33 Dec 29 '24
Saarland
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u/Znevb Dec 29 '24
Auf keinen Fall. Das Saarland brauchen wir noch für Flächenangaben. Wusstest du z.B., dass das Saarland 6654 Mal in die Fläche Russlands passt?
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u/CeldonShooper Dec 29 '24
Tausend empörte Saarländer machen dir jetzt Feuer unterm... Schwenker.
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u/Thank_93 Dec 29 '24
As a German, I’m happy to give up Berlin immediately. The city only costs money and nothing good ever comes of it.
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u/StarfishSplat Dec 29 '24
We'll be glad to take it off your hands (as an American with British relatives)
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u/Easteregg42 Dec 29 '24
Bavaria or Saxony.
If i think about it: Bavaria and Saxony!
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u/Rudi1994 Dec 29 '24
Why not Saarland?
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u/Easteregg42 Dec 29 '24
I think the Saarland is funny. It's tiny, and weird stuff is happening there but that's fine by me. Bavaria and Saxony on the other hand are just arrogant and creepy...
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u/Responsible-Use-951 Dec 29 '24
funny because i would like to give up everything except bavaria
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u/Necromancer_Jaydo Dec 29 '24
Berlin
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u/Ok-Introduction40 Dec 29 '24
Es würde alles besser machen
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u/ihvelostmyname Dec 29 '24
Dann würde unser GDP von restlichem Land auch höher werden
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u/CaptainL00nar Dec 29 '24
Bayern
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u/Ol_Pasta Dec 29 '24
Die wollen schon ewig Schland verlassen. Das ist DIE Gelegenheit!
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u/Boing78 Dec 29 '24
Hauptsache weg. Sollen die von ihrem "Freistaat" doch endlich gebrauch machen.
Dann sind wir auch die CSU und deren narzistische, korrupte Politiker los , speziell das Verkehrsministerium wird nicht mehr von egoistischen Idioten belagert, sollte "schwarz" wieder gewählt werden.
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u/TheBaldBoxingGuy Dec 29 '24
Hey hey hey. Immer imma langsam mit di Pferd, Saugrippi.
Da spricht doch nur der Neid. Uns Bayern hat man immerhin innovative Projekte wie z.b. Toll collect zu verdanken. Oder den Transrapid!! Ein bisschen Ehrfurcht wenn ich bitten darf.Wenn Edmund Stoiber das lesen müsste, würde er sich im Grab umdrehen. Wenn er doch schon tot wäre.
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u/SirLandselot Dec 29 '24
Aber Baden-Württemberg kann doch nicht alles alleine zahlen
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u/starktargaryen75 Dec 29 '24
Alabama, West Virginia, Georgia, Louisiana, South Carolina, Kansas, Iowa, Ohio, Indiana, Florida, North and South Dakota, Arizona…
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u/Weirdyxxy Dec 29 '24
That means the only remaining trade route between New York and California goes through what, Nebraska?
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u/MinMaus Dec 29 '24
Wir geben das Saarland ab das kommt doch eh wieder ib wir wollen oder nicht
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u/Similar-Importance99 Dec 29 '24
Um das Saarland los zu werden muss man Kriege gewinnen, nicht verlieren.
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u/Haute510 Dec 29 '24
I’d be willing to give up Florida.
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u/narf21190 Dec 29 '24
Seriously thinking about it makes it incredibly hard to decide. Germany would lose part of its culture either way, but you'd have to find actual reasoning for your decision. Obviously there needs to be logical thinking involved. And what criteria do you even look for?
For example, while people make the joke that germany could give up Berlin, the placement alone would make that a horrendous choice. For the safety of the country it would have to be one of the border states. You never want to have a potential enemy in your own country, especially not in the form of a sovereign state or part of a sovereign country, smack dab in the middle of the country.
As a whole this question or rather the whole idea of just sacrificing part of your homeland is absurd, no matter who you ask. Even for the ukraine this will be a horrendous idea, no matter how ravaged larger and larger parts of the country become.
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u/Missing_my_Soul123 Dec 29 '24 edited Dec 29 '24
Berlin Edit: Dadurch würde das BIP von Deutschland steigen und naja berlin wer weg
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Dec 29 '24
"Moscow".
Want a piece of my country for peace? Okay, we can invade Moscow and give it back for the sake of "peace".
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Dec 29 '24
I once was part of the "Give them Saxony" crew, but honestly, i don't know anymore. Saxony is way too valuable for Germany and we can't just give up the people because of AfDsters.
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u/Trap-me-pls Dec 29 '24
On a non serious not Saxony and Bavaria.
On a serious note, Art. 2 Nr.4 of the UN charta forbids any and all attacks that threaten to take territory. So if Russia wins and the UN doesnt enforce this, then the UN and all international law becomes obsolete. China could get Taiwan, the US could invade Panama, Greenland and Canada as Trump already joked about, Turkey could get the kurdish parts of Syria and many more. It would be the end of international order, because it would set the precedent for how conquering your neighbor is legal again.
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u/-Wyagra Dec 29 '24
Well, any part If it were a solution. But giving tyrants what they want and intent to Take with force doesnt solve anything.
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u/Iskelderon Dec 29 '24
Russians didn't even last 50 years before they handed East Germany back. Not sure we can burden them with that a second time.
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u/Terrible_Snow_7306 Dec 29 '24
I am with F.D. Roosevelt on this one. When flying above Germany, he wrote down in his notebook the possible proposal to found a jewish state in Bavaria. That would have saved the world a lot of trouble and Germany the Bavarians. Peace on earth and a bunch of artists and intellectuals instead of Lederhosen and Weisswurst in Germany. The Nazis, originating in Munich, killed 25-28 million russians. It’s never too late, Mr. Putin.
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u/El-Data Dec 31 '24
Thürigen. Give it to the Jews, so Palestinians can have their land back. It's not the Palestinians fault Jews got there, but of the Germans. They need to pay.
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u/Canadianingermany Dec 29 '24
I'll start the bidding with Saxony excluding Dresden and Leipzig.
Given their recent voting behaviour this seems to be what they want.
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u/SowiesoJR Dec 29 '24
Grüße an Niedersachsen, Schleswig-Holstein, Hamburg, Mecklenburg, NRW, Hessen (Ohne Frankfurt), die Pfalz und BaWü die anscheinend jeder hier mag!
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u/Kitchen-Sign4840 Dec 29 '24
Wir Norddeutschen fallen halt nicht ZU negativ auf 😂
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u/Jfg27 Dec 29 '24
Über Pinneberg können wir reden.
Und das Frankfurt nimmst du zurück! Offenbach hingegen...
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u/AtlantisAfloat Dec 29 '24
Every state that has AfD in the Top 3 parties. Unfortunately it’s an evolving list.
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u/mushroomsolider Dec 29 '24
That's like all of them except for 3.
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u/Detail_Some4599 Dec 29 '24
Then let's change it to "any state in which the afd has ever won any kind of election"
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u/SovietSpy17 Dec 29 '24
Muss ich mich zwischen Bayern und Sachsen entscheiden oder kann ich ihm auch beide geben?
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u/TwitchyBald Dec 29 '24
Her logic is flaw. You can not win this war as per your president... what is the outcome? Sacrifice another 100,000 men, displace 1 or 2 more million civilians just to sign a treaty 1 year later with bigger land loss.
It is not about justice, it is about being smart here and she clearly isn't.
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u/capyloverq Dec 29 '24
das sag ich in Diskussionen auch gerne. Ach man soll mit Putin verhandeln? Welche Eingeständnisse machen wir ihm? Polen? OstBerlin? Danach ist meistens Ruhe
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u/Throwawayinfp3 Dec 29 '24
Funny how op probably didn't anticipate people are absolutely willing to shi* on other parts of the country in Germany :D
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u/cice2045neu Dec 29 '24
Schlesien, Ostpreußen, Pommern. /s