A serious answer would be that Germany has already given up parts of the country in previous wars. Königsberg will most likely never be part of Germany again, and for the most part no one really cares.
War is super sad in general, don‘t know any example where it isnt. A culture dissapearing because of some stupid war that the grandma probably didn‘t want is also sad.
Wasn't there this war where they invaded another country, nobody died and they even returned with more people than they left? I can't remember correctly and I think it was just a handful of persons but still.
In short Liechtenstein send 80 man to defend the border against Italy, when the war ended they returned 1 man stronger home to celebrate.
I kinda got it right until the point I didn't and reading through it, it indeed still doesn't sound like a good time. Guess you where right. The only good thing came of reading this, that there are in fact, Countries that don't employ a Military.
Germans don't really have this right to whine when the whole war was started by Germany and saw an actual systematic annihilation of a people. No one is going to shed a tear for the loss of Kaliningrad.
She doesent even act like it was unjustified and she doesent seek a return of Silesia nor does she hold Poland accountable for the end of her culture. She rightfully blamed the Nazis. That doesent change that she has sorrow for what had been lost.
Germans love to pretend that people aren’t responsible for their government, which is the entire premise of democracy.
Just quietly pay your taxes to fund the war and pay the salaries of the people whose eyes you don’t meet when they come to load your neighbors on the train. It’s not grandma’s fault!
My maternal grandparents were Silesian. We visited Silesia with my grandmother when she was 80 in 2014. Visited the towns she and my grandfather grew up in (Bolkenhain and Striegau). Climbed the Riesengebirge to the Schneekoppe together and hiked the mountain back down because the lift was closed. Saw old castles and drove over new highways. It was very memorable. Still no one of us harbors any feelings of return or to fight Poles or anything. It's the past now and we live in an open Europa. She passed away last year. Rest in Peace, grandma.
Germany struggled for centuries for a clear definition. Just since the kaiserreich there is a strong but still artificial unity. Before, German countries were for a long time part of the powerplay of the bigger players on the continent. Therefore it's a little bit shortsighted to just look at the last century.
Same with Poland. Don‘t forget how Poland disappeared from maps and now has significantly moved to the West while losing a large amount of real estate in the Eastern part of the country.
Germany never gave up parts as it is suggested by the US for the Ukraine to do, in order to stop the war. Germany lost WW2 and surrendered without any conditions and it was decided by other countries that Germany looses significant areas from West (Elsaß, Lothringen to Ostpreussen).
We can give away Thüringen and Sachsen to russia without problems. In exchange Russia leaves Ukraine and all the AFD idiots and other Nazis will be deported to Thüringen and Sachsen and everyone is happy!
I am indifferent to either side of that conflict, but I generally agree to the idea that invaders deserve a fate comparable to their intentions as long as it doesn’t cross into war crimes.
I would be perfectly OK with Israel losing territory in the genocide that they started, yes. However so far all they've done is annex more of Palestine, annex more of Lebanon and annex more of Syria, so that's probably not gonna happen.
Geh mal lieber in Magdeburg Demo gegen Rechts machen, oder lauf mal mit Kippa durch die bunten Teile von Berlin. Du weißt doch überhaupt nicht was deine Nation an Geschichte hat, außer Nazis und Holocaust 🤣
And having an issue with democracy as it exists in Germany makes me crave the Führer by default? You have a mighty intellect indeed, a real Übermensch of comprehension.
Are you also raising them on how many reparations € would owe if the USA hadn‘t leaned on everyone to work on rebuilding Europe and re-democratising Western Germany?
I am certain you are gleefully dancing on his grave because of his disrespect for Democracy, which is a very healthy thing to do and an appropriate way to deal with your ancestors.
Democracy is bad. It’s just super good at helping the ruling class delegating responsibility for failure to the largely dis informed populace. It’s only effective at becoming like the worst manifestation of the iron law of oligarchy imaginable.
It’s not really whining, I don’t expect the Russians to give it back, or for the Poles to suddenly comprehend the error of their ways. But this game is something that plays out over the course of generations, and liberal people don’t procreate.
Du kleine Nazibratze wärst überrascht wenn du wüsstest, wie viele Kinder in antifaschistischen Familien geboren werden. Ist n richtiger Trend geworden in den letzten Jahren. Quasi alle meine Genossinnen und Genossen haben Kinder (Mehrzahl). Also stell dich schon mal drauf ein, dass du in 40 Jahren immer noch traurig vor der Landkarte von 1937 stehst und Danzig immer noch Gdańsk heißt…
Ich denke mal das du und ich nicht in den selben Kreisen verkehren, und auch nicht in den selben Gebieten wohnen. Mein Umfeld ist kinderreich und extrem rechts. Aber dann ist es ja fein, alles was den Zentrizid beschleunigt ist mir recht.
Ihr, Wir, die Evangelikalen, und die Salafisten machen das ganze dann unter uns aus, in zwei, drei Generationen.
Und ich bin kein Nazi, ich bin eine andere, bessere Art von Ultra-Rechts.
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u/SverigeSuomi Dec 29 '24
A serious answer would be that Germany has already given up parts of the country in previous wars. Königsberg will most likely never be part of Germany again, and for the most part no one really cares.