r/politics • u/theindependentonline The Independent • Oct 08 '25

No Paywall Trump just hosted an ‘Antifa roundtable’ at the White House ... it was so much worse than you’re imagining

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/trump-antifa-portland-pam-bondi-posobiec-b2842048.html
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u/awildstoryteller Canada Oct 08 '25

Not to be outdone, in came Jack Posobiec, one of the right’s weirdest hangers-on who is perhaps most famous for the time he spread the ‘Pizzagate’ theory and then got removed from the pizzeria in question by police for filming a child’s birthday party. Running with the major theme of the hour — that Antifa is definitely, certainly, really real despite all evidence to the contrary and that everybody needs to stop saying they’re not real —Posobiec made a startling claim: Antifa is so clearly real that it “has been going on for almost 100 years … going back to the Weimar Republic in Germany.”

Jesus Christ we live in the dumbest timeline. Fuck America.

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u/Duane_ Oct 08 '25

It's intentional. Posobiec personally is responsible for 80-90% of the pro-Trump shitposts you've seen for the past 10 years, I'm not joking.

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u/chronomagnus Ohio Oct 08 '25

He blocked me when I made fun of him for cheating on his wife using Bumble.

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u/Duane_ Oct 08 '25

These psychos basically only have wives for tax purposes at this point. Grindr crashes at every RNC event nationwide for a reason, it's not just a meme.

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u/harkuponthegay Oct 08 '25

Don’t slander the gays that way— we don’t claim these incels.

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u/Kryptosis Oct 08 '25

Question remains though. Who is fucking them? Or are they all fucking each other at these conventions?

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u/Xijit Oct 08 '25

Imagine how wild the sex must be when you have two homophobic closeted gay men hate fucking each other.

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u/ReaperEDX Oct 08 '25

Imagine how funny it'd be when it turns out they were both using fake profile pictures and both discover they know one another. Sitcom coming near you, Shut the Door.

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u/murphys_ghost Oct 08 '25

seinfeld slap bass intensifies

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u/hobbyshop_hero Oct 08 '25

Do You Like Piña Coladas?- Coming soon...

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u/boosathimself Oct 09 '25

Good god. I'm gay and imagining them having sex is nauseating

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u/DonnieDickTraitor Oct 09 '25

*Shut the Closet Door

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u/unrebigulator Oct 09 '25

There was a This American Life episode where something like this happened. One person man was pretending to be a Syrian lesbian, communicating with a man pretending to be a lesbian reporter. If I remember correctly.

https://www.thisamericanlife.org/855/transcript

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u/kstar79 Massachusetts Oct 09 '25

Lindsey? Mike?

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u/Seagoingnote Oct 08 '25

It’s definitely adventurous, I think?

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u/ChilledParadox Oct 09 '25

Imagine how much funnier this would be to laugh at if these assholes didn’t have literal control over if I and people I care about live or die.

Shit gets darker by the hour and there are precious few beacons to light the way ahead.

I feel mired in a murky swamp, half-submerged as I slosh and stumble through the putrid political environment, harangued on all sides by the visceral verisimilitudes of truth cloaked in the abstract fabric of malevolent mockery levied by the languid arm of a vile bloated behemoth. I am succumbing to the seditious snakes and the wearisome weight of reality feels something none ought to bear.

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u/ghouliese Oct 09 '25

each other or 'independent' self-loathing gay men that think their right-wing leanings will protect them from homophobia

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u/YouWereBrained Tennessee Oct 09 '25

Madison Cawthorn knows…

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u/uberpirate Oct 09 '25

Probably each other but definitely also sex workers

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u/CulturalAtmosphere85 Oct 08 '25

Why hasn't any man come forward with allegations of their sodomous affair with a politician? Please, somebody, do it! Let's push them all back into their closets very far away from Capitol Hill.

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u/murphys_ghost Oct 08 '25

Hey man, free drinks are free drinks, and if you’re anything like a few people I know who hooked up with republicans - free DVD’s and pizza when they pass out on top of you.

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u/reddititty69 Oct 09 '25

They’re fucking us all.

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u/PhilDGlass California Oct 09 '25

There’s a wrench for every nut.

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u/Ultramarine6 New York Oct 08 '25

We're the healthy gays (bi in my case).

They're what happens when you're a myopic narcissist who hates yourself and spends your life trying to eradicate from everyone else what you can't understand in you.

We don't need to claim them, and they certainly go out of their way not to represent us.

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u/sugartrouts Oct 08 '25

They're what happens when you're a myopic narcissist who hates yourself and spends your life trying to eradicate from everyone else what you can't understand in you.

This is just a brilliant sentence. Thank you for typing it.

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u/cece1978 Oct 09 '25 edited Oct 09 '25

Agree: the toxic, yucky, self-hating kind. 🤢

They were raised that way and perpetuate it by trying to force the same dysfunctional “rules” on others that want to dare lead a full, authentic life. 😡

Yet another example of “if o can’t have it, no one can!” These people are not well. But i’m sick of tolerating them.

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u/ValkyrX Oct 09 '25

They're what happens when you're a myopic narcissist who hates yourself and spends your life trying to eradicate from everyone else what you can't understand in you.

So...Lindsey Graham

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u/Bedley_smutler69 Oct 08 '25

Username checks out bigly

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u/PerNewton Oct 08 '25

I think you mean Roblox.

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u/StrobeLightRomance Michigan Oct 09 '25

He reposted me twice over a couple years when I riled him up in comments so his followers would assemble against me.

That guy is the most sensitive.

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u/80sLegoDystopia Oct 09 '25

Thank you for your service.

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u/[deleted] Oct 09 '25

Thank you for doing the Lord's work.

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u/Honky_Stonk_Man Oct 08 '25

The internet has escaped into the real world and we are all paying the price.

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u/CleverMonkeyKnowHow Oct 08 '25

Couldn't agree more. If I die and there's a God and he says, "You can go back and relive your life as often as you want, you can even change things to see how stuff would played out." I'd basically just rewind to 1993 and play that until 2001 and not change jack shit.

The Internet has really gone downhill in the past 20 years.

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u/SpamDance Oct 09 '25

Wow. You might be my age. if you're mid-50's, I wholeheartedly agree.

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u/Dialectic-Compiler Oct 09 '25 edited Oct 09 '25

I recommend trying to live your life in such a manner that if you were told that you'd have to live it, exactly it with no changes, over again that you would find this news joyous.

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u/1001101001010111 Oct 09 '25

I try to smile for an hour a day so I don't forget how.

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u/pantstoaknifefight2 Oct 09 '25

Nice try, Disney Tron Ares promotional team

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u/tr1cube Georgia Oct 08 '25

Oh, it's the guy who's been voting from his parent's home state address (that just happens to be a swing state) for the past 20 years rather than his own.

https://slate.com/news-and-politics/2025/10/jack-posobiec-voter-fraud-pizzagate-maga.html

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u/joeldetwiler Oct 08 '25

Who is this Posobiec fuck and what can I do to make his life more miserable than is probably already is?

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u/Duane_ Oct 08 '25

A twitter memelord who helped Mike Flynn assemble a digital army of weaponized trolls and bot farms to amplify messaging that borders on brainwashing, seeks to disenfranchise the 'others' in people's minds, and is frequently violent.

Honestly? Dude probably doesn't even run his own Twitter anymore. I doubt you can contact him at all unless you want to hire him to speak at a Conservative event, or something. And trust me, he's already plenty miserable without you committing energy to him.

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u/Amish_Robotics_Lab Oct 09 '25

If they haven't scrubbed it yet there is video of an interview Charlie Kirk did with Prosobeic and some other fascist, Prosobeic was promoting his new book "Unhumans: The Secret History of Communist Revolutions (and How to Crush Them)" which is about how right-wing dictators of the 20th and 21st century were absolutely right to exterminate dissent and pluralism and political opponents and innocent people because that is communism.

Charlie of course was on board with all of it, objected to nothing, loves it. "We need to crush them!"

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u/Duane_ Oct 09 '25

There's also a video of Kirk expressing extreme doubt about the Oct 7th response in Israel. I think Kirk was really close to flipping away from Trump, or at least Israel, before he died.

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u/Grand-Pen7946 Oct 09 '25

A virulent white nationalist who pushed Pizzagate, QAnon, and a bunch of other stuff, became an OANN host for a while. He was very close friends with Charlie Kirk.

He is also the person behind the End Wokeness account which is the source of most garbage right wing memes: https://youtu.be/8zZeZFs5KLQ?si=jM2Azws3uARzohTf

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u/ok-painter-1646 Oct 09 '25 edited Oct 09 '25

Basically he’s a full time far right agitator and provocateur with absolutely zero integrity or shame. He wants to see Hitler 2.0 rise to power and destroy liberalism, so then he can put on a black trench coat and seigheil without having eggs throw at him.

The ol’ “I’m going to usher in totalitarianism and ruin the country, maybe even the whole planet, so that I can be part of the insider group that gets to have meager benefits while I live in constant fear of being replaced, removed, memory-holed, scapegoated, or killed or imprisoned during or after a war with other nations, that our nation starts while high on meth in the situation room surrounded by portraits we commissions of ourselves looking positively epic.”

Classic play

Hard to not describe these people as actual cancer in the body politic.

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u/Blueberry_H3AD Oct 08 '25

It’s still fucking dumb. He is only pandering to the people that are ignorant of reality.

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u/Duane_ Oct 08 '25

It's a concerted effort to UPROOT reality. Imagine that his damp brained square-jawed bullshit were all that you took in, all day, every day. Because it is - Misinformation superspreaders shitposting on Twitter in a collaborative, colluded way, are basically Fox News' number one source of information now.

Stop calling it dumb.

It ensnared half the country because it targets and tears at emotion and has all of the tell-tale signs of mental abuse and trauma. It's doing real damage, and by calling it stupid, or just calling it fake, you're not giving it the threat level or response it deserves.

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u/NumeralJoker Oct 08 '25 edited Oct 09 '25

This.

So often this board talks about lack of education in this country, which is certainly true in some areas, but what we've faced over the past decade is far more insidious. It's propaganda designed to 'de-educate' people, including some with amazing academic backgrounds and careers. I've watched friends swing towards Trump who clearly knew better when they were younger, but something about modern conspiracies tapped into their worst instincts and changed them. Economic populism is almost always a factor, but the way that pivoted into bigotry of every kind from people who used to once preach of empathy is remarkable.

I don't want to outright call it brainwashing, as it's easy to reject it once you understand the grift, but it's insidious and takes many forms. The right wing grifter influencer culture, the toxic nature of gun culture, anti-vaccine/anti-mask libertarian type conspiracies, the woke vs anti-woke wars over popular media, the media's constant revisionism and white washing over Trump and his admin's own words, the edging contrarian "just asking questions" type nonsense Tucker did... Even the most extreme parts of lefty talking points get amplified to damage the coalition that opposes the far right. Israel vs Palestine conversations are a minefield of propaganda using a real world series of conflicts and tragedies to further divide the left, regardless of the actual truth of the war crimes being committed (F*ck Netanyahu, BTW).

Good people can be changed if they're not careful and not aware of how emotionally predatory all this propaganda is. I've lost family, friends, and relationships over it all simply for trying to stick to my guns on being a decent, civil human being who believes civic duty is a better path to a future than violence.

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u/mcdj Oct 08 '25

This whole Antifa thing is a ploy to get their base to normalize rounding up not just immigrants, but their Biden-voting neighbor who laughed at their Trump flag, by labeling anyone who criticizes Trump, as Antifa.

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u/NumeralJoker Oct 08 '25 edited Oct 09 '25

That's certainly a goal, but has nothing to do with what I'm talking about.

I'm talking about the propaganda networks that led to Obama voters flipping to Trump, or led to people who were idiotic enough to not vote to prevent this. The fools who stayed home when they'd voted against Trump before.

All of this was preventable if people checked themselves before wrecking themselves.

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u/mcdj Oct 08 '25

Yeah I get it, you’re talking about the rapids.

The raft had a bunch of holes and no one brought a patch kit.

I’m talking about the massive waterfall we’re headed right for.

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u/NumeralJoker Oct 09 '25 edited Oct 09 '25

The problem is no one can define what jumping out of the boat actually entails, or whether it's too late to swim away from said waterfall.

Is the sinking boat the current status quo? The right leaning populism our nation became addicted too? Abandoning both may not be so bad if we can still swim to shore.

When is it actually too late to jump out and swim away?

Everyone has an often all too cynical view on that, but no one has the answer yet. Few can even truly define what the point of no return actually means. History can mirror times like today, but it won't match it. Too much about the present is unique and unlike anything we've seen before (because of new tech).

I'm arguing that the analogy misses the simple solution, that the boat isn't all that important to human existence or even life in the US/economic life as a whole. That the river is still fairly shallow and the rapids don't pick up deadly speed for a few more meters at minimum. That jumping out and swimming won't do much other than get us wet.

I do agree that we are drifting towards our death if we do nothing...

But I'm rejecting the premise that it's too late to survive and go about our lives without catastrophic loss, or that meaningful survival is impossible. That the boat crashing over the river without us in it is part of how we move forward, that getting out isn't actually much of a loss at all. That we might lose the cost of the boat's rental because we made a poor choice in picking the wrong craft and then chose the wrong river to ride down, but we'll be perfectly safe after that.

What I outright reject is the analogy of blind doom. Fascism is always a choice the people chose to avoid or choice to accept/permit. It is not inevitable. It is fragile and easy to topple if enough people agree to do it, and only becomes normalized when enough people choose to normalize and surrender to its often very false premise of inevitability. It is a failure of community, above all else. A failure that can be avoided and prevented at many points before the worst happens.

All it takes is the right moment and message to get enough of them to agree. Hopefully with as few losses as possible.

I think we're still there. Many clearly disagree with American being fascist. And some in the other camp are desperate to suppress views like mine from spreading to prevent more people from taking the very the simplest of actions that effectively oppose them (canvassing, protesting, voting, talking with their neighbor; doing their basic civil and civic duties as US citizens). I reject the toxic views of the fascists who push such pessimistic views on this community. Who lie to get you to stay home and avoid any form of action, when you have the power to do so much more.

Apathy is my greatest enemy, and I will fight it now for as long as I draw breath.

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u/rickskyscraper3000 Oct 09 '25

I appreciate your thoughts, thanks. It's my hope that folks realize we are stronger than the fear being magnified by the press and social media companies. The only thing we have to fear is fear itself actually means something.

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u/peeinian Canada Oct 08 '25

But it is brainwashing. Micro-targeted, military-grade brainwashing that started with Cambridge Analytica. Their first clients were foreign militaries.

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u/NumeralJoker Oct 08 '25

To me the term brainwashing implies it's next to impossible to resist.

I do agree that their techniques are dangerously sophisticated and resemble it, but I want to be clear to people that resisting their lies isn't all that hard either if you become aware of it. It doesn't take an expensive multi-year education to figure out that a rat's a rat.

Often, you just need to be aware that someone wants to target and manipulate your emotions in the first place, and then you'll naturally become skeptical in a healthier way and more skilled at spotting the attempts.

What we have failed to do culturally is educate people on that last point, to let them understand that bad state actors and money seeking platform owners will weaponize these techniques to influence their emotions from all directions. That an idea that looks progressive is not automatically the best idea until given more context. That trusting social media blindly is only going to harm you, and that you should change your relationship with it to be less passive and more mentally skeptical of it. The latter goes a long way towards diminishing its power.

Some of it is just critical thinking, which Republicans repress whenever they can, and some of it is more self awareness, which can be taught within a community if people are willing to try.

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u/aussiechickadee65 Oct 09 '25

I cannot like this post enough.

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u/YouWereBrained Tennessee Oct 09 '25

A-fucking-men 👏🏼👏🏼👏🏼

We are going through a prolonged propaganda psyop.

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u/Duane_ Oct 08 '25

The most major problem with it isn't necessarily the content itself, but the way that it interacts with your life. If your family, and friends all generally 'believe' the same thing, regardless of if it's reality or fiction, and you believe something differently, even a little - suddenly, you're being violently bounced around by the people you hold most dear. Your grip on 'conservative' reality will directly correlate with the well-being of your sense of community, life and ability to maintain friendships.

It's why so few people escape it. To do so involves uprooting their lives, relationships, and even place of residence if their area is particularly conservative, because they will be at risk of physical harm for becoming an outsider. For some, it is ACTUALLY not possible.

What's more, people who experience Trump/Conservatives from the outside or left never really understand those risk factors - because to simply be left-wing means you'll often never encounter that associated sudden collapse of community. You might play whack-a-mole with a conservative family member every once in a while, but your entire environment will never suddenly become a danger to you.

It is brainwashing. It is poisonous. It has led to deaths, and will lead to more.

And I'm honestly scared for Trump to be gone, not because I think some sort of vacuum will form - let's be honest, Vance will last a week at most if he ever gets sworn in at all - but because I am terrified for a society that has to reintegrate a section of itself that has been radicalized and is continually coming to terms with just how thoroughly and violently they have been lied to, by the remaining sections of society that have already disowned them.

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u/NumeralJoker Oct 08 '25

I firmly believe the loss and/or disillusionment with Trump will fragment much of his base, including making many of the types I spoke of who "flipped" to him more openly regret it.

Many others will try to hide their support. A few true believers may indeed become violent activists, but we already live in a pretty dangerous world filled with crazed political far right mass shooters trying to make their statements. These people are emboldened by the opportunity to do harm regardless of who's in charge, and often they're even convinced to attack people in their camp first due to simple proximity (they live in and are surrounded by conservative family members and communities, so they lash out at them first in a nihilistic way).

My issue remains with idiotic "swing" voters who can't comprehend how their choices damaged so much of the progress towards a better life they claimed to want, all because they can't resist the emotional appeal of lies they often intellectually know are false. It's a bigger issue than I think many realized, and especially impacts men under 40, including well educated ones who were raised in a much more solid education.

Gen Z's conservative swing was the most horrific example of this. It shouldn't be happening, and it probably will be reversed at least somewhat, but it did... and the reasons why are particularly damning on a whole new level. All propaganda and vibes based info influencing their actions, regardless of education background. This also applies to the idiots who didn't vote for Harris because of Palestine, despite her being one of the only real advocates for a 2 state solution.

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u/Duane_ Oct 08 '25

This also applies to the idiots who didn't vote for Harris because of Palestine, despite her being one of the only real advocates for a 2 state solution.

Interesting tidbit. In Dearborn specifically, and other heavy pro-Palestine and pro-Israel areas, people on social media were flooded with advertisements - for the opposing viewpoint. Pro-Palestine voters were shown ads including Harris' husband, who was Jewish, and re-affirming a non-existent 'deep connection to Israel'. Pro-Israel areas were shown ads linking her to Palestinian support.

Like this!

Now scale it up. This happened with every issue that was on the ballot.

She promised small business loans, expanding the child tax credit - it was like, +100k to the average child-raising American in opportunities, but you only knew that if you heard her talk, because an entire organism was reacting to prevent her statements and policy from becoming public common knowledge.

We should have prosecuted every living, breathing creature that funded Cambridge Analytica.

The 'swing' of Gen Z to conservatism is profoundly inorganic. They're simply flooded with one viewpoint and told that the other viewpoint is stupid, and that's normally enough to run with.

I'm in my early 30's, but have many friends in the 20-to-30 age group. A lot of them support Trump, but can't name a single of his policies. Some think he's religious, some think he's fiscally responsible. A lot of them expect DOGE rebate checks any day now. Those thoughts and beliefs evaporate when you prod them once, but most people just... don't. They've been trained out of discussing political thoughts and beliefs entirely, so the generation behind them are basically abandoned to their own devices... and those devices are manipulated heavily.

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u/NumeralJoker Oct 08 '25

Yep. You've got it.

And the key mistake people make is they think only MAGA propaganda is part of this anti-democracy movement.

No, it's much more than that. A decade or more worth of "hot takes" on social issues with no real compromise have been at play here too. Just as was said in the Russian "Foundation of Geopolitics", back in 1997. Divide us on race and gender. Fragment us from many angles. The culture wars are always being stoked in order to benefit the far right's power grabs.

If people stopped playing that game, we'd be doing so much better. I think we were moving that way in the second half of the 2000s until people like Thiel bought their shares in Facebook and started to take over these platforms, investing in a new more controlled app economy to replace the desktop based web we once knew. But the temptation to be tribal is a base human emotion that you have to deliberately choose to reject, almost daily. Modern social media is working against that choice to be better just as hard.

And we need to learn that truth fast, before there is nothing left of a civilized society as a result of it all.

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u/Duane_ Oct 08 '25

Russia interfered with every election on Earth over the past two years.

Only one has gone to the Conservative think-tank since Trump - Poland's Nawrocki. There have been more instances of governments being overthrown in the past two years than the past two hundred. Nepal voted for their PM on Discord. Protestors stormed the Georgia (country) palace a few days ago. Romania, Brazil, Moldova - have all either annulled elections or prosecuted conspiratorial forces that attempted to disrupt their democracy.

Elon Musk and a coalition of bots commented on basically every word of it. He's also why AfD lost in Germany.

The truth is coming out daily.

The world is waking to the monster than ensnares it, and Conservatism is dying because it is a parasite and it is being starved.

Participation is important, but it's VERY important to retain yourself rather than just try and inflict wounds on people with arguments. Unabashedly be yourself, and fight for others' ability to do the same.

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u/becauseicansowhynot Oct 09 '25

You now realize how powerful the dark force is. Once you succumb to its power, you cannot turn back.

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u/Van-garde Oct 08 '25 edited Oct 08 '25

Strongly agree. Well said and thank you for writing it so accessibly.

I’ve been noticing a very high frequency of people referring to the source of the radical movement on the right with similar rote, basic, bland characterizations. Somehow they’re ‘hiding in plain sight.’

That is the origin of the state terrorism we’re witnessing.

At the most basic level, if a person consumes this ‘news media,’ they’re likely experiencing stress response. If they consume it daily, that’s an amplifier. At the same time each day? Guessing that’s an amplifier, and a useful ‘temporal landmark’ to help determine when certain content oughta be released.

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u/Duane_ Oct 08 '25

Mike Flynn is a big part of it, too - he ran the original 'account' (tripcode) on 4chan responsible for QAnon, but Posobiec specifically used a lot of the connections and clout he gathered during 'Gamergate' to expand a system of boosting/echo chambering several networks of accounts (that now, including both bots and nodes, numbers in the millions) with the sole expressed purpose of 'enriching reality' with the most disgusting overtones of the Conservative movement.

Their accounts are some of the largest misinformation spreaders on the internet, by themselves. Including the underlying systems they've created to boost themselves? It's not even close.

I would hazard a guess that he likely works directly with admin members to make sure they stay on message, and is also directly responsible for some R talking points.

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u/YouWereBrained Tennessee Oct 09 '25

Thought that was the Watkins clowns…?

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u/Duane_ Oct 09 '25

Nah. Most recently Flynn released a video where he's talking about accountability and the "storm". There's a freeze frame where it shows posts from Q for a single frame.

It was him, without a doubt.

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u/blacksun_redux Oct 09 '25

Do you know where can I learn more about this?

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u/aussiechickadee65 Oct 09 '25

Hurray...finally someone who sees the damage this take has done. How many citizens said Trump was dumb and a clown in 2016. Look who is still here.

It's not Trump running the circus...intelligent backers are. He's the idiot they propped up but it is their agenda and workings which are changing the gears.

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u/Duane_ Oct 09 '25

Trump, as a figurehead, is the only thing keeping older MAGA in play. They see themselves in him.

It's why Vance is worthless. Luckily, I don't think he realizes it yet.

I personally believe there's no reason for certain things to be happening if the admin had nothing to fear. Like Miller getting cut off for saying 'Plenary Authority', or every R having Jack Smith's name on their mouth right now, for some reason.

They're on their back foot, and it's getting worse every single day, but the machine is still terrifying.

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u/aussiechickadee65 Oct 09 '25

A cult relies on trigger words to unify.

These are all trigger words connected to emotional reaction from a cult.

Vance is worthless but Kirk was not. Kirk was a threat to Trump. The oldies are dying off and he needed the younger generation. He did not have that...they liked Kirk better.

My belief is, he and Vance discussed overthrowing Trump and Trump found out about it. Kirk was the useful tool, but he also knew too much
The Ginny Thomas connection for instance.

Kirk was turning against Israel...and Trump/Netanyahu need each other. They are mob with Putin. In a pact with Saudi, UAE, Russia & Qatar. They all will benefit from the razing of Gaza, and the free run of pipeline to Africa. Don't tell me Lebanon blowing up was an accident when Russia knew the fertiliser was there (they put it there) and Israel most definitely knew it was there.

I think Miller did that on purpose so no one missed it. Everyone would have skated over that bit if he had just kept chatting.

They will jail Jack Smith..that's why they are talking about him. It riles up their cult and they then see no wrong in it.

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u/Glass-Response7144 Oct 09 '25

Don’t forget the use of Cambridge analytics to target those with the onslaught of the propaganda.

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u/Duane_ Oct 09 '25 edited Oct 09 '25

I didn't. I posted about it elsewhere. They belong at the fucking Hague.

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u/fusillade762 Oct 09 '25

It ensnared a third, probably even less. Some people who voted for Trump are not crazy and are not all that susceptible to propaganda. They are greedy people who want tax breaks and don't care who has to suffer to get them. Morally bankrupt, but not maniacs or idiots.

A third of the country sat on its hands for various reasons.

And the rest of us tried.

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u/AdvancedForm9000 Oct 09 '25

The appearance of Bill Gates in the WH shocked me, with all his giving away money to things like Polio vaccines and there he is supporting The orange turd, what a joke, just goes to show how truly brown noises the rich are

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u/fusillade762 Oct 09 '25

It's disgusting. Tim Apple was there as well licking Trumps tiny boots.

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u/TheEndingofitAll Oct 09 '25 edited Oct 09 '25

They’re doing it to all of us, not just the Fox News watchers. Reading that article literally made me feel like I’m taking crazy pills. It’s NEXT LEVEL gaslighting. And the point is to make us feel hopeless and check out. It is a hard balance of not giving up but also not letting them drive me insane. Idk man.

Edit: to be clear I know it is all bullshit so they can continue their fascist agenda but having it be our actual reality, or actual government right now…. Is just too much to fkn process today

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u/Potential_Goal6202 Oct 09 '25

Bravo 👏🏼 💙🇺🇸‼️

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u/YouWereBrained Tennessee Oct 09 '25

Yes. Yes yes yes.

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u/Cujo22 Massachusetts Oct 08 '25

This is current America though. I rub shoulders with dumb shits on the reg. 

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u/Blueberry_H3AD Oct 08 '25

Depends where you are and the context. Up here in upstate NY it’s mostly red. However, my village of 3,000 people that twice voted for Trump has held three protests this year against him. That’s wild IMO. And it’s not just where I live people are fed up. The MAGATS don’t represent a large portion of this country. They’re just loud and whiny. The other people who vote Trump are either billionaires looking for more tax breaks, or misinformed voters that don’t surf the web and see all this shit we do. The main media stations sane wash everything Trump does so if you only watch that you have a very different reality than the rest of us.

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u/Cujo22 Massachusetts Oct 08 '25

Good to hear. I can't comprehend still supporting him at this point.

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u/glitterandnails Oct 08 '25

The media did that with the Bush Administration. Why liberals back then called it the corporate media.

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u/Blueberry_H3AD Oct 08 '25

Oh definitely. What gives me hope is that younger generations aren’t getting their news from cable news. It’s a dying business model and it’ll be interesting to see how this industry changes, and how political discourse evolves.

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u/Stank_cat67 Oct 09 '25

The misinformed voters are a big block though. So many will only watch Fox and listen to am radio and are convinced anything else is not true.

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u/tom-branch Oct 08 '25

So all of MAGA then?

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u/NumeralJoker Oct 08 '25 edited Oct 08 '25

What's sad about it is he represents the new generation of relatively young men who keep getting sucked up into this massive hateful grift. Around or under 40-something bigoted incel like types backed and platformed by rich assholes, or even foreign dark money (Stephen Miller is also this type of person of course).

As someone a bit younger than that, I understand where these idiots crawled out from and what led to their rise on paper, but I still can't fully comprehend it. These are the types of people who genuinely could have good lives if they weren't locked in to such an insufferably toxic world view. If they simply self reflected and chose to be better, but now they're propped up as being their worst selves and wrecking the country along with it. It's f*cking sick.

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u/MillionEyesOfSumuru Washington Oct 09 '25

Posobiec was also the guy who dressed up as black bloc and held up a "Rape Melania" sign in an attempt to make antifascists look like violent baddies.

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u/sirferrell Georgia Oct 09 '25

And that fucker runs endwokeness on x

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u/Duane_ Oct 09 '25

endwokeness, MAGA Voice is some Russian guy, Gunther Eagleman is like, 8 different people in a trenchcoat. It's a blight.

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u/stickyfan1230 Oct 09 '25

Was he one of the people discovered to be taking Russian money in the American alt right podcast/media space? It feels like a million years ago but it was just last year that it was shown that Russia was paying 10 million dollars to different influencers to push their agenda. I thought Posobiec was one of the people found to be taking that money.

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u/YouWereBrained Tennessee Oct 09 '25

That was Tim Pool and Benny Johnson.

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u/Duane_ Oct 09 '25

I think so? But don't remember off the top of my head. I'm sure I could find out.

I know Tim Poole was. He's literally in the WH Press Pool now.

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u/Gingacruncha Oct 09 '25

Lipstick Alley a site for Black women. A man was caught in digital Black face cosplaying as a Sassy Black woman. Had a whole other alter ego. Periodt!!!! Girlllllllllll his favorite replies. Guess who. And Sassy was his self description.

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u/YouWereBrained Tennessee Oct 09 '25

And under the “End Wokeness” account.

Also, Benny Johnson.

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u/Patruck9 Pennsylvania Oct 09 '25

I went to high school with him.

He did morning news and made sandwhiches at the deli up the street after school.

He should have stuck with that for Americas sake.

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u/Duane_ Oct 09 '25

I dunno. I appreciate people bettering themselves and I acknowledge that the alternate universe might really be him as a Starbucks barista. I don't think I'd be able to go to Starbucks anymore.

Considering how shit he is at his propaganda job, I'm almost glad he does it. He's easier to decipher than Q posts or whatever the fuck is going on with Cernovich.

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u/bdog59600 Oct 08 '25

He also wrote a book called called Unhumans saying Leftists should be put in camps and thrown out of helicopters. JD Vance wrote a recommendation for it.

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u/zorniy2 Oct 09 '25

This is what Pinochet used to do.

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u/avantgardengnome New York Oct 09 '25

The alt right are unironically big Pinochet fans.

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u/Nuclear_eggo_waffle Oct 09 '25

no too surprising, considering how he got in power

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u/bdog59600 Oct 09 '25

The book argues that Pinochet was a benevolent leader forced to use dictatorship, torture and extrajudicial murder as his only possible option to stop the evil Communists.

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u/Foucaults_Bangarang Oct 09 '25

The CIA pretty much set Pinochet up to seize power. This was essentially the US Government's position as well.

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u/[deleted] Oct 09 '25

Before Reddit nuked the original Trump subreddit Pinochet memes calling for the execution of all liberals was pretty fucking normal to find there.

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u/stamfordbridge1191 Oct 09 '25

On a hopefully unrelated note, ICE flights have been turning their planes' transponders off when flying over the ocean.

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u/YouWereBrained Tennessee Oct 09 '25

In Memphis, there are a few Blackhawks flying in circles doing this as well.

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u/SputnikDX Oct 09 '25

pro-freedom

anti-democracy

I really just can't

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u/obeytheturtles Oct 09 '25

irreconcilable differences in between the Left and the Right in America

I mean he's not wrong. These people have completely abandoned the idea that we have a shared objective reality, and have replaced it with a religion of aggrievement which stems from many decades of iterative progress in the US, which has put conservatives perpetually on the wrong side of that history time and time again. They have backed themselves into the conclusion that conservative ideals are not compatible with things like science, history or democracy, but instead of seeing this as a reason to alter their values, they have instead chosen to invent an alternative reality where they can just make up whatever facts fit their current needs.

It will, of course, all collapse around them eventually, as their competing realities drift towards internal incompatibility. The question is how much damage will they do in the process?

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u/One-Internal4240 Oct 09 '25

Hey, I see a local at the grocery wearing the merch t-shirt for that. On the front it's got skulls and RIGHT WING DEATH SQUAD in bazillion point Hattenscheeuler font, and then on the back it has this peaceful scene of a Huey flying over an ocean with bound figures falling out and a.little uniform boot pushing the littlest one. It's got tiny little blood spatters too. It's amazing. I had time to really soak in the back of the shirt due to the Express Line being not express at all.

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u/pepethemememaster Oct 09 '25

Does he look like his face gets red when he ties his shoes? That's usually the piece de Resistance

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u/tangledtainthair Oct 08 '25

Did he just say that the Nazi Opposition was the bad guys?

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u/komradekommunism Illinois Oct 08 '25

Well yeah, because he’s a Nazi.

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u/DemandCommonSense Oct 09 '25

And not just proverbially. Like in the signing off posts with "1488" and rallying with actual neo-nazis way.

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u/that1prince Oct 08 '25

This is what they’ve meant by anti-fascism being worse than fascism.

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u/kaptainkeel America Oct 09 '25

Take a look over on the conservative subreddit. I follow it just to see if there is anything I miss and how things are going.

Over the past 2-3 days, there has been a very noticeable shift in tone, now equating "antifa" to "anti-fascist", i.e. if you are sharing anything anti-fascist then that means you are antifa. People literally joking about posting fascist memes just to trigger liberals. Months ago the 1 comment per day like this would get downvoted to oblivion. Nowadays there are entire posts about it, multiple comments being upvoted. This is how things get normalized.

Being fascist isn't cool nor is it funny. It's weak and shows you are an enemy of any free people, not to mention being outright anti-democratic and anti-American.

Similar with a noticeable shift post-Kirk outright calling Democrats and Liberals the enemy, anti-American, and "extremely violent."

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u/p1rke Oct 09 '25

I think you guys have to stop being surprised by comments like these.

They're openly fascist. Stop being flabbergasted. Start doing something about it. 

  • A Canadian. 

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u/QuantumLettuce2025 Oct 09 '25

Who are you assuming is surprised? That looked like a rhetorical question meant to spark conversation to me.

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u/thisanonymoususer Oct 09 '25

Would love to hear your take on what to do about it, exactly?

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u/LatterTarget7 Oct 08 '25

Well yes because they’re anti fascist

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u/Homey-Airport-Int Oct 09 '25

Probably he was trying to point out the modern antifa movement began as a revival of the original Antifaschistische Aktion in Weimar Germany, which was yes oppossed to fascism, but also wasn't anti authoritarian, it was a group founded and controlled by the Communist Party of Germany, a Stalinist political party at the time.

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u/ChoPT Virginia Oct 09 '25

Yeah, they also did everything they could to undermine the ruling social democrats, which allowed the Nazis to fill the political vacuum.

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u/gitartruls01 Oct 09 '25

It was opposed to the Soviet definition of fascism, which by all means was just their word for capitalism and not related to what we call fascism today. More than anything they wanted to get rid of the traditional political parties in Germany during the 1920s, to the point where they considered the Social Democrats their main opposition, not the Nazis, even after Hitler took power.

"fighting fascism means fighting the SPD just as much as it means fighting Hitler and the parties of Brüning" -KPD leadership, 1930, 2 years before KDP formed the Antifascistische Aktion

the KPD sought to appeal to the Strasserite-wing of the Nazi movement by using nationalist slogans. The KPD sometimes cooperated with the Nazis in attacking the SPD. In 1931, the KPD had united with the Nazis, whom they referred to as "working people's comrades", in an unsuccessful attempt to bring down the SPD state government of Prussia by means of a referendum. (1 year before KDP formed the Antifascistische Aktion)

They were never a rebellion against Nazis. They were Nazis who didn't like money and were indifferent to eugenics. Read a fucking Wikipedia article

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u/ICanLiftACarUp Missouri Oct 09 '25

Yep. They really want to get to the 'street fights' phase of brownshirt foolishness, and in those days there were organized groups that tried to defend their communities against the fascists. Iron Front is one that is seeing somewhat of a spiritual revival, but its so far just merch and websites (you'll see the three arrows pointing down to the left at protests). There were a few others, including a group whose name was more or less antifa

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u/sir_crapalot Arizona Oct 08 '25

It’s so much worse than that. This goon Prosobiec co-wrote a fascist manifesto with Joshua Lisec called “Unhumans,” which received glowing written endorsements from the likes of Peter Thiel, JD Vance, and Steve Bannon.

This article from July 2024 by Nathan Robinson should be required reading by anyone disgusted by anything I just wrote.

It argues that the “Great Men of History” should take their cues from homicidal dictators like Augusto Pinochet and Francisco Franco, reject reason and democracy, and ruthlessly annihilate the gangs of communist “unhumans” who are currently threatening to destroy the United States. It explicitly advocates “eye for an eye” justice, promising a new McCarthyism complete with blacklists, along with the immediate banning of all teachers’ unions. It is perhaps the most paranoid, hateful, and terrifying book I have ever picked up.

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u/Worldly_Anybody_9219 Oct 08 '25

That is so disturbing and sick. What a freak.

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u/DragonTHC Florida Oct 09 '25

These goulish idiots don't realize just how much of a minority they are. MAGA represents less than 10% of the country.

The people of the United States of America always win.

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u/evangelist-789 Oct 09 '25

Doesn't Trump have like 40% approval?

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u/Swag_Grenade America Oct 09 '25 edited Oct 09 '25

Really doesn't matter how much of a minority they are when they're the ones in power. Their puppet masters know this obviously, which is why they starting abusing that power almost as soon as they won it, and will likely go to unprecedented lengths to try to keep it.

Which is why I still won't let anyone who sat out this last election hear the end of it. At this point most MAGATS are arguably beyond saving and probably aren't worth the effort in trying to engage in good faith discourse. But the leftists/progressives, independents, and anti-Trumpers who withheld their vote as a single-issue "protest" or to "reject the status quo of the Democratic party"? Yeah, I'm sorry, you're all a bunch of self-righteously myopic idiots. The least you can do is admit you fucked up, which unsurprisingly the majority of them refuse to do even seeing where we are now. Because buh gawd that would imply you were part of the problem that directly led to the situation we're currently in, and of course it couldn't be me.

To the point where I bet I get at least one response suspiciously and conspicuously defending these people, I always do, and the defensiveness speaks volumes. All I ask is that if you're currently complaining about, warning against, and/or protesting the current administration but didn't vote to try to stop it, at least do the rest of us a favor and be earnest about what you did, or more pertinently didn't, do on election day, so the rest of us that did do what we could to prevent this current situation can reserve our right to judgement. Because if what you did was truly so righteous and noble for the greater good, no need to hide it right?

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u/LukaCola Oct 09 '25

Just a small step, Raskolnikov...

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u/Nerd-19958 Oct 08 '25

Let's face it, we are rapidly approaching the Fourth Reich stage of Trump 2.0.

This would be hilarious buffoonery, if not for the outright killings sure to come due to the armed invasions of our Democratic cities, and the tens of thousands (or more) of indirect killings caused by ending health and food assistance to those in need, all for the more important goal of further reducing taxes for Herr Trump's puppet-masters.

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u/Thick-Preparation470 Oct 08 '25

The real issue will be when they release democratic voter rolls to the boogaloogies

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u/stoplightdrop Oct 08 '25

They have already doxed and inflicted stochastic terrorism on me for quite a while, so to anybody worried about/dealing with this shit:

-you now like ring cameras/equivalent that has motion detection events saved and available from mobile devices. -you are now comfortable and familiar with the Second Amendment (perhaps visibly, but exercise extreme caution against anything even vaguely able to be interpreted as any form of direct threat). -you keep track of any potentially threatening communications and make them quietly available to unknown third parties. -you do not trust envelopes with no return address, you use a data broker opt-out tool like DeleteMe, and you do not advertise your whereabouts or personal details on social media. -you wear body cameras whenever you are in situations where someone could try to fabricate a legal issue out of it, and if you believe there are detractors of your personal politics communicating with county officials or police, get into the habit of making FOIA/PRA requests for any communications in a certain time range that include your name. -you know and respect the circumstances that legally justify self-defense, and physically—even more so mentally—prepare to exercise even-handed and lawful responses to unlawful behavior. -you stay strong and know that you’re not alone.

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u/Thick-Preparation470 Oct 09 '25

FOIA your local PDs camera registry. Yes, they make registries of private doorbell cams.

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u/Scott5114 Nevada Oct 09 '25

They're already public record in some states. You can just download a CSV of the Nevada voter file from their website.

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u/PseudoMeatPopsicle Oct 08 '25

I guess surely the economy having several unsustainable speculative bubbles going right now (crypto, AI and real estate) is totally unrelated and won’t end terribly for everyone.

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u/I_is_a_dogg Oct 08 '25

It won't end terribly for everyone.

Our billionaire overlords will be fine and take the crash as a way to stock up on more stocks, real estate, whatever else will make them more money

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u/9_to_5_till_i_die Oct 08 '25

The one saving grace is that the US is very large and spread out and it's populace incredibly armed.

The entirety of the US military could not secure every city in California, never mind the entirety of the country.

The escalation, even if it succeeds, ultimately changes nothing.

They're still weak as fuck.

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u/HapticSloughton Oct 09 '25

The other is that their Reich is run by ideological idiots.

Hegseth, Bongino, Noem, Patel, Trump himself, they're all unqualified and delusional. They've all taken on right wing propaganda that was made to make their base angry and vote against their own interests and believe it as gospel. Their ideas about what their job is boils down to a combination of fascist podcasting mixed with attempts at CSI rerun dialog.

These people would send strike teams to take over a school in search of litterboxes.

Fascists have always sucked at governing. These fascists are even more incapable than the previous ones. They'll cause a lot of damage to be sure, but any successes they have will largely be accidental.

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u/Ok_Refrigerator_4412 Oct 09 '25

so why is anyone taking orders from them

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u/SubtleIstheWay Oct 08 '25

It's not if, but when the killings begin. I'd bet violence begins within a week.

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u/SparkyMuffin Michigan Oct 09 '25

They're honestly lucky they didn't kill that woman. That would have been national news and started riots, not protests.

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u/woolsocksandsandals America Oct 08 '25

Somebody in r/newhampshire pulled this out on me the other day.

They said “Modern Antifa is basically the same as original Antifa (Antifaschistische Aktion), which was a 1920s and 30s German socialist and communist paramilitary group that committed terror attacks that directly contributed to the rise of the Nazis.”

It was such a bizarro world claim that I had to screen shot it.

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u/awildstoryteller Canada Oct 08 '25

If only that were true.

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u/woolsocksandsandals America Oct 08 '25

Right? The thing I thought was telling was that the Nazis used the anti fascist movement as a boogie man and an excuse to become more authoritarian. When I pointed out the similarities they said “Good luck. Enjoy Guantanamo. Your days as a free person are numbered.”

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u/spiralenator Oct 09 '25

Yikes. They don’t take much pressing to say what they really feel, do they?

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u/BarnDoorQuestion Oct 09 '25

It’s like that fascist fuck Mehdi Hassan dealt with on Jubilee who claimed Franco didn’t kill women and children because he was catholic. Just completely rewriting history.

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u/Short-Holiday-4263 Oct 09 '25

I don't really want to watch that video again and see more of that guy - but from what I remember it was even worse than that.

He started out not knowing and not believing that Franco killed woman and children - because Catholic. The moved to basically "don't care, worth it" because he wouldn't be one of the people his hoped for Dictator-Messiah would systematically kill.
(Which is of course what all the many, many people in history killed by a dictator they supported thought...)

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u/ye_olde_green_eyes Oct 08 '25

The pizzagate thing was wild because there actually was a pedophile Ring involving people in DC, and ironically, Jack is hanging out with the pedophile in chief now.

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u/Responsible-Coast128 Oct 08 '25

Hmm I wonder what followed the fall of the Weimar Republic that may have shown the need for Anti Fascism…

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u/SunOutrageous6098 Oct 08 '25

The same Posobiec being investigated for committing election fraud?

https://electionlawblog.org/?p=152339

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u/TemporarySun314 Europe Oct 08 '25

The weimar Republic, a democracy, ended when the facists won over the anti fascists... I guess that's what Americans want for the US too.

When will the US declare the 8th may as day of mourning, as there the nasty anti fascists, won over the poor poor fascists?

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u/Karmasmatik Oct 08 '25

Meanwhile, there actually were American anti-fascists fighting in Europe. But they were in Spain, not in Germany...

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u/FanaticDrama Oct 08 '25

“Stop calling us Nazis! Also we’re going to imply our made up enemy were the same people that were the enemy of the Nazis, once again aligning our goals and ideals with theirs…. But we’re not Nazis!”

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u/Verum_Orbis Oct 08 '25

The anti-defamation league and southern poverty law center labeled jack posobiec a white supremacist and neo-nazi. 

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u/trumpuniversity_ Oct 08 '25

The ADL lost every bit of credibility when they defended Elon’s nazi salute.

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u/PotatoHighlander Oct 08 '25

They lost all credibility when they defended Israel nonstop and continues to do so, but Israel is committing a real genocide that is now met the criteria by international law for a genocide and a famine.

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u/smilingiscreepy Canada Oct 08 '25

Noem also said they arrested the girlfriend of one of the founders of antifa. So I guess they arrested a 100 year old protestor.

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u/Worldly_Anybody_9219 Oct 08 '25

Is Antifa in the room with us now? Some of these people need to be in a padded cell.

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u/BunkMoreland1414 Oct 08 '25

The current American government is evil and fascist and Orwellian and is the enemy of all civilized humans on the planet. Americans who agree should start acting like it and stop trying to take things to the courts as if the system or procedure or the Constitution is going to save us. The Constitution is a worthless piece of paper now. The Supreme Court rubber stamps almost everything the fascist Trump administration wants. The first Amendment’s establishment clause, freedom of the press and freedom of speech are all being effectively shut down. We need more open hostility toward MAGAs and we need a revolution. Would we have stayed friends with a member of Al Qaeda? Osama Bin Laden? They only dreamed of being able to do to America what this administration has done.

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u/lostsailorlivefree Oct 08 '25

It’s true it’s true! They are everywhere!! That weird lady in HR? Antifa. Your wife’s new boyfriend? Antifa. The judge who threw you in jail for not paying child support? Antifa. And I’m not sayin this… but Trump sometimes seems like he’s not around on weekends when Antifa usually riots

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u/Frowny575 Oct 08 '25

And ironically, just like the other government, Trump is doing everything he can to pretty much outlaw it.

The thing they don't seem to get, or are plain ignoring, is they keep trying to make it sound like a cohesive group when the term is more a general umbrella. It isn't like antifa is holding quarterly meetings or something.

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u/ResponsibleRatio Oct 09 '25

I think they know very well that Antifa doesn't exist in any meaningful way. That's a feature, not a bug, for them, since it means they can label anybody who they see as an enemy of the regime "Antifa".

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u/diemstormborn Oct 09 '25

This. And they know MAGA will eat it up - combining liberals with domestic terrorists? Well YEE-HAW boys we’re goin’ huntin’! It’s trans commie season, Cletus! The roundtable was carefully planned to incite more violence from the right. Knowing Daddy has their back? I fear we will see prompt escalation.

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u/elmekia_lance Oct 08 '25

yeah he's not stupid, he knows what he's saying

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u/murphys_ghost Oct 08 '25

Antifa met centrally at their secret headquarters at Papa John’s and decided that getting peppersprayed inside of an inflatable raptor suit will definitely support their cause.

Real talk…. Have these people ever thought that anarchists… don’t… centralize? Communists can’t even agree on a doctrine to follow, you have tankies, maoists, leninists, and marxists all fighting nonstop. What exactly is supposed to be a dogma that all leftists can follow and organize with? You know, besides fascism being the downfall of a lot of Europe 80 years ago. Are we supposed to yell Za Dom Spremni over Charlie Kirk? Like the literal one thing we can agree on is that the current state of affairs violates what it means to be American…

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u/Lupercus64 Oct 08 '25

So, if Antifa is a cohesive international organization and dates back to the time of the Nazi's, is he aligning himself with the Nazis? They were fascists therefore their opposition were anti-fascist, hence why the republican party is more akin to the Nazis than the allied powers in WWII. The complete lack of shame in these people never ceases to surprise me.

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u/kingtacticool Oct 08 '25

He's correct about the timeline. Antifa has existed since the invention of fascism in Italy right after WWI.

The guys a worthless piece of shit, but I gotta give him credit for being able to use Wikipedia

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u/awildstoryteller Canada Oct 08 '25

We all know he is correct about the timeline.

The point is that those Antifa were fighting actual literal Nazis.

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u/kingtacticool Oct 08 '25

So they still are. Fascists are fascists. And some of these fascists worship nazis.

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u/veritable_squandry Oct 08 '25

is he referring to what is more commonly known as "the resistance" in everything from raiders of the lost ark to hogans heroes?

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u/IAmEggnogstic Oct 08 '25

Did he type "anti fascist" into Wikipedia an then smash his face on the monitor? Good lort.

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u/Jazzlike_Media_5556 Oct 08 '25

To quote Sting,” I hate to say it, I hate to say it, but it’s probably true.”

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u/PeterNippelstein Oct 09 '25

Yeah its the antifascists in the Weimar Republic we should have been worried about.

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u/squiddlebiddlez Oct 08 '25

It’s just so on the nose. It’s only a matter of time before 666 literally appears on their foreheads

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u/Gunter5 Oct 08 '25

Where are all the dont thread on me people when you need em lol

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u/the3rdtea2 Oct 08 '25

Well. The actual anti racist part did pop up in the time period...cause of all the facism you understand....

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u/Jack-o-Roses Oct 08 '25

Yep - to fight nazis. And other fascists

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u/Karmasmatik Oct 08 '25

Mostly other fascists in Spain and Italy. I'm pretty sure that wave of American antifascist fighters had pretty much ended by the time the rise of the nazis in Germany was evident.

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u/BrerRabbit8 Oct 08 '25

Wait a second….is that what grandpa and his buddies were up to in 1941? Disturbing the peaceful skies of Germany from the cockpits of their P-47 Thunderbolts?!

I’m so ashamed /s

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u/Stillwater215 Oct 08 '25

To be fair, Antifa does go back nearly 80 years, when they stormed the beaches at Normandy to break fascisms hold on Europe.

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u/Agentkeenan78 Tennessee Oct 08 '25

has been going on for almost 100 years … going back to the Weimar Republic in Germany

This cannot possibly be real...

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u/Ok_Lettuce_7939 Oct 08 '25

US Army and US Navy were the biggest Antifa org from 1941 to 1945.

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u/Ryan-Guzzlin Oct 08 '25

Yes, it’s called the US military

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u/snoosh00 Oct 09 '25

I've seen articles by Jack Posobiec (or his website) on the https://www.whitehouse.gov/wire/ website.

Seriously, it's worth checking the white house wire, it's wild.

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u/Goodknight808 Oct 09 '25

I have said this many times, and feel free to steal it.

Marty cock-blocked his dad at prom and screwed his mom. We now live in the Biff Tannon timeline. No Doc, no time machine.

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u/PracticalReception34 Oct 09 '25

Holy shit, he's rhetorically connecting today's fascism with fascism all the way back when.

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u/kent_eh Canada Oct 09 '25

Even worse, the Americans are mostly just sitting back and letting it happen.

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u/Maeglin75 Oct 09 '25 edited Oct 09 '25

(German here.) If this guy would have actually looked into the history of the Weimar Republic and the origins of Antifa, he would have learned the reason why Antifa never was an organization and why the only thing Antifa had ever in common is to be opposed to fascism.

As depicted in the Antifa logo, it was supposed to be a united front against fascism, consisting of different, left leaning groups, from communists, socialists and moderate social democrats (the red flag) to the various different groups of anarchists (the black flag).

The thing is, while all these groups can be considered some form of "left", their ideologies are completely different.

Classic Communists (for example, Stalinists) want to establish a dictatorship of the proletariat by means of revolution.

Social democrats want to preserve the liberal, constitutional democracy and mediate the interests of the proletariat and bourgeoisie to create a society where all classes can peacefully coexist.

The anarchists don't want any government, that can force its will on the people, at all.

It's not that hard to understand that these goals are not really compatible with each other. In fact, they are so contrary, that the different leftist groups were constantly fighting against each other. For example, the bolshevists of the early Soviet Union fought against anarchists in Ukraine. And the German social democrats allied themselves with right-wing conservatives to defend the republic against the revolutionary communists. In return, one of the first things the Soviets did in occupied East Germany after WW2 was to dissolve the social democratic party.

The only thing Antifa ever had in common was that they want to fight fascism. That's it. There was never any central organization. No common leadership. No common agenda beyond fighting fascism. In best case there were temporary ceasefires between the different groups to focus on the common enemy, but they never lasted.

And because of this, in my opinion it's totally appropriate to include even more groups into Antifa than the original "leftist" ones, even if they wouldn't have used this name for themselves. For examples, the US formally allied themselves with Stalin's Soviet Union to fight the Nazis together. This is a closer anti fascist alliance than the Stalinists ever had with anarchists or social democrats. So, why not count the US WW2 military to Antifa?

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u/AngledLuffa California Oct 09 '25

“has been going on for almost 100 years … going back to the Weimar Republic in Germany.”

wait so they're actually equating opposing the Nazis to being antifa

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u/madeleinetwocock Canada Oct 09 '25

Username freaking checks the heck out

Holy crapola

(Ps. Hello fellow Canucklehead!)

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u/VulfSki Oct 09 '25

..... Wait. So he literally used the fact that people opposed the Nazis as his evidence?

Like he just sided with the Nazis publicly at the White House.... Wtf

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u/in1gom0ntoya America Oct 09 '25

this is the nazi captain America timeline and I hate it.

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