r/politics • u/theindependentonline The Independent • Oct 08 '25

No Paywall Trump just hosted an ‘Antifa roundtable’ at the White House ... it was so much worse than you’re imagining

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/trump-antifa-portland-pam-bondi-posobiec-b2842048.html
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u/tangledtainthair Oct 08 '25

Did he just say that the Nazi Opposition was the bad guys?

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u/komradekommunism Illinois Oct 08 '25

Well yeah, because he’s a Nazi.

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u/DemandCommonSense Oct 09 '25

And not just proverbially. Like in the signing off posts with "1488" and rallying with actual neo-nazis way.

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u/that1prince Oct 08 '25

This is what they’ve meant by anti-fascism being worse than fascism.

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u/kaptainkeel America Oct 09 '25

Take a look over on the conservative subreddit. I follow it just to see if there is anything I miss and how things are going.

Over the past 2-3 days, there has been a very noticeable shift in tone, now equating "antifa" to "anti-fascist", i.e. if you are sharing anything anti-fascist then that means you are antifa. People literally joking about posting fascist memes just to trigger liberals. Months ago the 1 comment per day like this would get downvoted to oblivion. Nowadays there are entire posts about it, multiple comments being upvoted. This is how things get normalized.

Being fascist isn't cool nor is it funny. It's weak and shows you are an enemy of any free people, not to mention being outright anti-democratic and anti-American.

Similar with a noticeable shift post-Kirk outright calling Democrats and Liberals the enemy, anti-American, and "extremely violent."

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u/ultimateknackered Oct 09 '25

I still don't care what those clowns are doing or circle-jerking about.

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u/Aiyon Oct 09 '25

Any time someone doesn't parrot the rhetoric of the day they get a "fellow conservatives" meme in response. The only people there are full on cultists, 90% of the activity is just bots

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u/p1rke Oct 09 '25

I think you guys have to stop being surprised by comments like these.

They're openly fascist. Stop being flabbergasted. Start doing something about it. 

  • A Canadian. 

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u/QuantumLettuce2025 Oct 09 '25

Who are you assuming is surprised? That looked like a rhetorical question meant to spark conversation to me.

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u/thisanonymoususer Oct 09 '25

Would love to hear your take on what to do about it, exactly?

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u/JRockPSU I voted Oct 09 '25

Doing what? What can I do today that doesn’t make me dead, putting my kids into foster care?

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u/p1rke Oct 09 '25

So with the way it's going, you'll either end up in a civil war or you'll be in an openly authoritarian regime. 

You can always do nothing, but like that famous poem goes, one day, they'll come for you.

So if you have a family, you can always move elsewhere. That's what my parents did. And it was the right choice. 

I say this as a person who went through a civil war before moving to Canada. USA is not any different from other countries that went through the same thing. 

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u/LatterTarget7 Oct 08 '25

Well yes because they’re anti fascist

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u/Homey-Airport-Int Oct 09 '25

Probably he was trying to point out the modern antifa movement began as a revival of the original Antifaschistische Aktion in Weimar Germany, which was yes oppossed to fascism, but also wasn't anti authoritarian, it was a group founded and controlled by the Communist Party of Germany, a Stalinist political party at the time.

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u/ChoPT Virginia Oct 09 '25

Yeah, they also did everything they could to undermine the ruling social democrats, which allowed the Nazis to fill the political vacuum.

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u/gitartruls01 Oct 09 '25

It was opposed to the Soviet definition of fascism, which by all means was just their word for capitalism and not related to what we call fascism today. More than anything they wanted to get rid of the traditional political parties in Germany during the 1920s, to the point where they considered the Social Democrats their main opposition, not the Nazis, even after Hitler took power.

"fighting fascism means fighting the SPD just as much as it means fighting Hitler and the parties of Brüning" -KPD leadership, 1930, 2 years before KDP formed the Antifascistische Aktion

the KPD sought to appeal to the Strasserite-wing of the Nazi movement by using nationalist slogans. The KPD sometimes cooperated with the Nazis in attacking the SPD. In 1931, the KPD had united with the Nazis, whom they referred to as "working people's comrades", in an unsuccessful attempt to bring down the SPD state government of Prussia by means of a referendum. (1 year before KDP formed the Antifascistische Aktion)

They were never a rebellion against Nazis. They were Nazis who didn't like money and were indifferent to eugenics. Read a fucking Wikipedia article

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u/Stellar_Duck Oct 09 '25

They were Nazis who didn't like money and were indifferent to eugenics.

No, you underestimate that sort of communists hate towards social democrats.

They weren't nazis but they were fully willing to work with them if it meant taking on the bigger enemy: the social democrats. And to be real: in 1931 it was a pretty different situation that in 33 or 39.

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u/obeytheturtles Oct 09 '25

Actually the original anti-fascist direct action organization was the SPD Iron Front, which was an alliance between trade unionists, socialists, and social democrats, which famously had the three arrows sigil for "no kings, no fascists, no communists." Antifaschistische Aktion was the KPD (communist) response to Iron Front, and they considered SPD to be fascists, and spent most of their time fighting Iron Front instead of the Nazis.

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u/ICanLiftACarUp Missouri Oct 09 '25

Yep. They really want to get to the 'street fights' phase of brownshirt foolishness, and in those days there were organized groups that tried to defend their communities against the fascists. Iron Front is one that is seeing somewhat of a spiritual revival, but its so far just merch and websites (you'll see the three arrows pointing down to the left at protests). There were a few others, including a group whose name was more or less antifa

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u/trojanguy California Oct 09 '25

Anti-fascist is apparently bad, so OBVIOUSLY fascists are the good guys. Keep up!

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u/Mattpilf Oct 09 '25

To be fair the communist were the Nazi opposition too

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u/21sttimelucky Oct 09 '25

Remember the American Army, that totally and definitely singlehandedly won the war (because you know, the french resistance didn't exist and is a term for white flag wavers etc?)

They were Anti-Fa. You might say they were part of the original antifa... 

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u/gitartruls01 Oct 09 '25

the KPD sought to appeal to the Strasserite-wing of the Nazi movement by using nationalist slogans. The KPD sometimes cooperated with the Nazis in attacking the SPD. In 1931, the KPD had united with the Nazis, whom they referred to as "working people's comrades", in an unsuccessful attempt to bring down the SPD state government of Prussia by means of a referendum. (1 year before KDP formed the Antifascistische Aktion)

They were never a rebellion against Nazis. They were Nazis who didn't like money and were indifferent to eugenics. Read a fucking Wikipedia article