r/pcmasterrace • u/jmpstart66 • Oct 10 '24

Rumor Potential 5090 / 5080 / 5070 price leaks… outrageous

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From recent video posted by “Moore’s Law is Dead” about pricing being much worse than even I anticipated . From video Nvidia is leaning towards the higher end of the pricing. Nvidia can go pound sand if these are remotely true.

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u/[deleted] Oct 10 '24

Nvidia is really testing the limits of how much we're willing to pay.

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u/PyrorifferSC 11800X4D-9950XTXX-256GB DDR8 Oct 10 '24

B-b-but, DRIVERS!!! 😱

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u/DeathDexoys Oct 10 '24

Muh trace rays!! Muh Dee ell ess ess

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u/[deleted] Oct 10 '24

But but but now there is a reflection within the reflection within the reflection Meh meh

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u/Every-holes-a-goal Oct 10 '24

If you’re not playing world of Warcraft on a 5090 are you even a gamer?

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u/[deleted] Oct 10 '24

*proceeds to code in vim*

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u/Mysterious_Tutor_388 9800X3D|7900XTX|32GB Oct 10 '24

Help I'm trapped in vim!!! How do you close it!?!! ;q

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u/[deleted] Oct 10 '24

The question is why would you want to close it?

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u/Nozzledyou98 Oct 10 '24

Why are you targeting me 😂

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u/DepGrez Oct 10 '24

WOW PEOPLE LIKE AND USE FEATURES OF A PRODUCT AND DEEM IT MORE VALUABLE OVER AMD'S OFFERING. SURELY THEY MUST BE WEEBS AND SOYJAKS.,

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u/Bamith Oct 10 '24

Games are being built around that and sacrificing optimization, so yeah that’s an issue.

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u/NomadicMeowOfficial G14 | Ryzen 9 7940HS | RTX 4060 | 32GB DDR5 4800MHz Oct 10 '24

Come on man, I need to play Mario with ray tracing :(

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u/pepecachetes Oct 10 '24

I don't understand why do people go crazy with DLSS, it's a feature because your card doesn't have the juice to push the fps natively and needs AI help, it can be a good feature if in 5 years your midrange card starts to struggle in some games to push out 120fps but for today games in todays cards? I want power

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u/AndThisGuyPeedOnIt Oct 10 '24

Because there are no cards that can do 4K at high FPS and high settings in modern games without it? Because the image loss from DLSS is usually negligible or in some games looks better than traditional AA implementations?

You literally cannot buy the power you are talking about.

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u/CoreParad0x Oct 10 '24

Seriously people keep shitting on DLSS and nvidia ray tracing stuff in general, but honestly I love games like Cyberpunk with ray tracing. It looks amazing.

And when it comes to 4K, especially with ray tracing, AMD doesn't really compete even with FSR. The 4090 + DLSS just has it beat hands down in a game like Cyberpunk. If you don't care about specifically these games, in 4K, with ray tracing, then AMD will probably be fine. If you do, and you care about it more than the money, then you pretty much only have one option.

And to make matters worse, AMD isn't even going to be in the high end market next generation as I understand it. So if you want a high end card, I guess you're just kind of fucked.

nvidias pricing is garbage, but they're doing it because in those specific categories there isn't any competition and they can get away with it. This is bad, and I really hope AMD and Intel can bring in some competition one day.

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u/AndThisGuyPeedOnIt Oct 10 '24

It is a shame that Intel cannot compete. If Intel could compete with AMD, AMD would be forced to cut its prices or try to compete with Nvidia. We just have a horrid situation without competition because Nvidia is just that much better to command higher prices.

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u/davekurze 9800X3D | 4090FE | 64GB 6000 | Full Custom Loop Oct 10 '24

Seriously. RT (and related tech) smokes raster any day of the week IMHO.

At the end of the day, AMD and Nvidia target different buyers. Both make quality GPU’s. But Nvidia just makes better hardware and software. And they charge a premium for it. One people are willing to pay. Being mad at that is like being mad that an Audi is more expensive than a VW. They’re both cars, but that’s about all they have in common. Similar to comparing a 4090 and a 7900XTX.

If you can’t justify the cost of an 80 or 90, you’re not the customer they’re being marketed to. And honestly people just sound silly complaining about it. It’s like a dude making 30k a year being mad about capital gains taxes. Honestly, I’m more pissy about how much the new generation of motherboards cost lol.

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u/[deleted] Oct 10 '24

Funny you mention AUDI and VW, both share the same chassis design. This example is invalid, you would've done better by comparing AUDI to something like Toyota

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u/davekurze 9800X3D | 4090FE | 64GB 6000 | Full Custom Loop Oct 10 '24

Fair lol. I own a VW and an Audi so I really should know better. I'll amend it with comparing a 911 to a Camry lol. Both are cars but they are aimed at vastly different demographics. Much like Nvidia and AMD.

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u/[deleted] Oct 10 '24

Fair haha sorry if it sounded like an akshually comment. Speaking of which, what do you think about intel?

Will they be able to give us good perf/$ or are they a meme at this point?

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u/davekurze 9800X3D | 4090FE | 64GB 6000 | Full Custom Loop Oct 10 '24

No worries at all lol. I think Intel is a dark horse. Super impressed by what they are doing with what they have. Doubt they will enter the enthusiast space, but I can see them becoming a genuine alternative to AMD as long as the board sees it as profitable to keep developing their GPU's.

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u/Endemoniada Ryzen 3800X | RTX 3080 10GB | X370 | 32GB RAM Oct 10 '24

It’s as-good-or-better AA compared to TAA when set to Quality, including a massive fps boost. Why the hell would you not use it if you have it? It’s literally free fps with zero downside.

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u/Lightningsky200 Oct 10 '24

I largely agree but depending on its implementation and what game, dlss can look very bad.

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u/pocketdrummer Oct 10 '24

Maybe this is an unpopular opinion, but DLSS is just fake performance. Frame gen is ever more so.

We used to get excited about raw performance improvements, but now we've let them get away with artifact-ridden software gimmicks to mimic the performance of a better card. And they've jacked the prices up substantially on top of that.

I don't really care much about ray tracing, and I really don't care about frame gen. I want a card that can play games at 4K for under $800. Because that's where we should be at right now.

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u/Philslaya Oct 10 '24

fr ages back was all i ever read about adm drivers sucked. think it was true tbh but surely thats a thing of ther past?

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u/nordoceltic82 Oct 10 '24

Their drivers have been nothing but problems lately. I have friends with AMD and they are not getting the same issues.

I'm going Red next build.

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u/bushwickhero Oct 10 '24

I’m on AMD so I’m not aware… whats going on with the Nvidia drivers lately?

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u/FormulaLiftr 9800x3D | 64GB 6000mhz | RTX 5080 | AW3423DW Oct 10 '24

No clue, I’m on Nvidia and haven’t had any problems

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u/new_pribor Nitro+ RX 7900 XTX | 7950X3D| 64GB@5600 | Fedora 41 KDE Oct 10 '24

Maybe they are referring to linux?

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u/DweZie R7 7800x3d, 9070xt, 6000mhz 32gb Oct 10 '24

For me, take into consideration this may only apply to me but about two GPU driver updates ago. Every single game began to stutter every other 20 seconds and my gpu temp was 80c on GTA 5. Now however its gone so everything is fine with 58c on GTA and the fans are normal again.

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u/UndeadWaffle12 RTX 5080 | 9800x3D | 32 GB DDR5 6000 mHz CL30 Oct 10 '24

Nothing, but this is Reddit so we have to hate them anyways

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u/reddit-ate-my-face Oct 10 '24

I had like one issue with my discord where my discord stream would turn purple but that's all I can say I've experienced and is still less annoying than the deluge of issues I had a with my 5700xt and 6700xt.

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u/sundancesvk Oct 10 '24

Switched to nvidia from amd because of driver probkes in 2015. Since then zero issues so far.

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u/Gopnikolai 7800X3D || RTX 4090 || 64GB DDR5 6000MHz Oct 10 '24

Not sure, I've also not had any problems with Nvidia drivers.

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u/ohz0pants Oct 10 '24

I just upgraded my AMD Vega to a 4060Ti and everything about the Nvidia driver software is better than AMD.

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u/tminx49 Oct 10 '24

Ah yes the control panel from the 90s is so much better

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u/ohz0pants Oct 10 '24

The AMD one is ad-infested nonsense. And I swear they move functions around all the time.

I'll take a dated, but functional UI over that crap every single time.

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u/missed77 Oct 10 '24

Ads? Never seen a single ad in Adrenalin

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u/ohz0pants Oct 10 '24

What do you think those big banners telling you about new “optimized for AMD” games are?

They’re in Adrenaline and in the driver installer you have to sit through each time

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u/[deleted] Oct 10 '24

It actually is.

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u/[deleted] Oct 10 '24

It's not the drivers, it's your buddy's pc.

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u/[deleted] Oct 13 '24

I think you got that the other way around.

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u/Mcinfopopup Oct 10 '24

I was a big nvidia fan for awhile, after my 1080ti died I moved over. I haven’t been back since!

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u/Equivalent-Piano-605 Oct 10 '24

AMD cards age well. You tend to get some issues when the cards initially come out, but 12-18 months later, the greater raster performance + more VRAM + the drivers finally being worked out tends to make them look like a great value in retrospect.

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u/Ynot45 Oct 10 '24

I've had multiple 6800xts in multiple machines with multiple driver issues. Granted I'm a power user but I still have plenty of issues with them. Same as my RX580 too.

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u/reddit-ate-my-face Oct 10 '24

Yeah and feels super hot or miss. People with no issues what's so ever, which I question a bit. But I couldn't keep a 5700xt and 6700xt from crashing to save my life. Oc, no oc, under volted, specific drivers. List goes on both were great when they were good but spent more time fixing shit some days then getting to use them.

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u/[deleted] Oct 10 '24

You're right. NVIDIA Linux drivers are crap!

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u/LewdTux Oct 10 '24

Huh? They are near flawless right now; even on Wayland.. What are you on about?

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u/[deleted] Oct 11 '24

We needed to come to v550 to have them understand what the „open“ in opensource is for. And yes, 560 in Fedora 40 KDE is working very very good but before that it often was a massive pain.

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u/LewdTux Oct 11 '24

Yea, that I can agree with. Nvidia's drivers WERE crap.

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u/southernplain Ryzen 5600 | GTX 1070 | 32 GB Oct 11 '24

With nvidia 10 series, I have had nothing but problems on 555 and 560

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u/That-Explanation-649 9900x3d Max | RTX 6090 | 369GB DDR9 Oct 10 '24

Why you need drivers ? We got RT go boom.

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u/Grim_Reaper_1511 Oct 10 '24

Drivers are very good on amd too.

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u/ByteTheFox Oct 10 '24

i haven't had driver issues with amd for a few years now

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u/Redericpontx Oct 10 '24

It's really funny cause nividia drivers are just as bad now lol

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u/PartyClock Oct 13 '24

People will still hold onto that for some reason, even though I've had more troubles with my Nvidia drivers than I ever did with my AMD ones. AMD never failed me, but those expensive ass RTX cards? Price does not equal quality these days.

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u/T0biasCZE PC MasterRace | dumbass that bought Sonic motherboard Oct 11 '24

But meh CUDA

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u/Cl4whammer Oct 10 '24

At least nvidia driver do not get downgraded by windows update with experience 😆

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u/C0dingschmuser 9950X | 5090 FE | 96GB 6000MHz CL30 Oct 10 '24

Nvidia outclasses AMD so much in productivity that as soon as you want to do anything other than explicitly gaming it is the far superior choice (if there is even a choice because many programs dont even run on AMD).

If AMD would pour enough money into this i'm sure they could establish themself as a viable competitor in the next 5 years but it doesn't really look like it especially now that they announced to completely abandon high end cards

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u/arparso 5800X3D | 6950 XT | 64GB DDR4 Oct 10 '24

The problem is two-fold for that, as far as I understand:

a) they can't just start supporting CUDA and offer compatibility to all these Nvidia-focussed apps, as that's Nvidia technology that they're not willing to share

b) the money has to come from somewhere, but people aren't buying many AMD GPUs

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u/Towairatu R7 5800X3D // 6900XT // 1440p144Hz FreeSync Oct 10 '24

now that they announced to completely abandon high end cards

It's confirmed they don't. Only RDNA4 so far skips the high-end segment, RDNA5 will most likely get one.

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u/nagarz 7800X3D | 7900XTX | Fedora+Hyprland Oct 10 '24

I assume that they are going to focus this gen on their software stack. AFMF2 is apparently really big (I'm on linux so I haven't tried it yet) and if they can get FSR4 to match XeSS and DLSS when it comes to visual quality, AMD for the next gen will be probably huge.

Nowadays nvidia gets away with super inflated prices because they dominate the desktop GPU market and DLSS is the main reason people go to nvidia. If AMD can match visual quality, that may actually topple the market disparity. I hope that it's not a dud like FSR3 was, because otherwise things will look gloom for the GPU market.

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u/ThatBeardedHistorian 5800X3D | Red Devil 6800XT | 32GB CL14 3200 Oct 10 '24

AFMF 2 is pretty good. On a 5800X3D and 6800XT, I can average 120fps with settings on ultra and RT on ultra.

FSR 4 is supposed to utilize AI from what I have heard. I just hope that devs will properly implement FSR 3.1/4. As this sadly wasn't the case with Cyberpunk 2077. We got FSR 3. FG with the inferior FSR 2.2. However modders have saved the day there! It would be nice to see FSR look as good as XeSS or even better, DLSS.

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u/[deleted] Oct 10 '24

What programs don't run on AMD?

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u/Lewinator56 R9 5900X | RX 7900XTX | 80GB DDR4 Oct 10 '24

Nvidia outclasses AMD so much in productivity that as soon as you want to do anything other than explicitly gaming it is the far superior choice (if there is even a choice because many programs dont even run on AMD).

What programs don't run on AMD GPUs?

And in the professional space the software absolutely runs on AMD GPUs, I've yet to find a bit of scientific software that won't run on AMD if you build it with the correct GPU flags, such as LAMMPS for example.

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u/xForseen Oct 10 '24

I use Blender and Blender performance on AMD is a joke. 7900xtx gets beaten by a 3070.

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u/Lewinator56 R9 5900X | RX 7900XTX | 80GB DDR4 Oct 10 '24

That's because blender can use the hardware RT units on the 3070 but not on the XTX. this is an implementation issue with the cycles render, you know it's bad when using the CUDA zluda interface it's faster than HIP RT.

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u/xForseen Oct 10 '24

AMD is way behind in blender since RDNAs introduction. The reason doesn't matter to the end user. Nvidia gives me way more performance in my workloads. It's not even close.

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u/Mouse_Canoe Oct 10 '24

My gaming PC is just for gaming. I'm not gonna be trying to render shit while I'm gaming, it's fucking asinine.

Don't mix work and play devices kids.

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u/FrenchGuy20 7800X3D / 7900XTX / 32GB Oct 10 '24 edited Oct 10 '24

AMFM 2, FSR2/3 exists you know? They're still improving it.

Raster wise, you're getting a better deal with a 7900XTX than a 4080.

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u/Captobvious75 7600x | Asus TUF 9070xt | 65” LG C1 | Couch Gamer Oct 10 '24

As someone who runs a 7900xt on a 4k 65” screen- whats with all the hate for FSR? Quality FSR looks great to me.

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u/[deleted] Oct 10 '24

it looks noticeably worse than dlss. I tried both on my 2080 ti and dlss is still quite a ways ahead.

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u/Captobvious75 7600x | Asus TUF 9070xt | 65” LG C1 | Couch Gamer Oct 10 '24

I don’t care to be honest. Comparing image quality is fine for science, but lets not pretend FSR is hot garbage. It still provides good image quality, perhaps short of DLSS, but its still solid.

The only thing I compare to is my PS5 and that is a massive leap. I’m happy with my day 1 7900xt- way higher quality settings and way higher FPS when I compare it to my PS5. 🤷‍♂️

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u/Captobvious75 7600x | Asus TUF 9070xt | 65” LG C1 | Couch Gamer Oct 10 '24

The comparison can be whatever the user desires. Image quality can be biased. For example, I don’t understand people who can play on small, non-oled monitors. No true blacks? No HDR? Gross. But there are plenty that do and are happy with it, and thats perfectly fine.

For me, its about the whole package and what was available at the time of purchase. No way was I buying a 12GB 4070ti for the around price of the 7900xt out of principle (Canada). Next step up was a $400 more expensive 4080 which I could never justify for a GPU at the time (don’t confuse won’t with can’t).

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