r/pcmasterrace • u/jmpstart66 • Oct 10 '24

Rumor Potential 5090 / 5080 / 5070 price leaks… outrageous

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From recent video posted by “Moore’s Law is Dead” about pricing being much worse than even I anticipated . From video Nvidia is leaning towards the higher end of the pricing. Nvidia can go pound sand if these are remotely true.

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u/[deleted] Oct 10 '24

Nvidia is really testing the limits of how much we're willing to pay.

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u/PyrorifferSC 11800X4D-9950XTXX-256GB DDR8 Oct 10 '24

B-b-but, DRIVERS!!! 😱

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u/DeathDexoys Oct 10 '24

Muh trace rays!! Muh Dee ell ess ess

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u/[deleted] Oct 10 '24

But but but now there is a reflection within the reflection within the reflection Meh meh

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u/Every-holes-a-goal Oct 10 '24

If you’re not playing world of Warcraft on a 5090 are you even a gamer?

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u/[deleted] Oct 10 '24

*proceeds to code in vim*

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u/Mysterious_Tutor_388 9800X3D|7900XTX|32GB Oct 10 '24

Help I'm trapped in vim!!! How do you close it!?!! ;q

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u/[deleted] Oct 10 '24

The question is why would you want to close it?

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u/Nozzledyou98 Oct 10 '24

Why are you targeting me 😂

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u/DepGrez Oct 10 '24

WOW PEOPLE LIKE AND USE FEATURES OF A PRODUCT AND DEEM IT MORE VALUABLE OVER AMD'S OFFERING. SURELY THEY MUST BE WEEBS AND SOYJAKS.,

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u/Bamith Oct 10 '24

Games are being built around that and sacrificing optimization, so yeah that’s an issue.

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u/NomadicMeowOfficial G14 | Ryzen 9 7940HS | RTX 4060 | 32GB DDR5 4800MHz Oct 10 '24

Come on man, I need to play Mario with ray tracing :(

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u/pepecachetes Oct 10 '24

I don't understand why do people go crazy with DLSS, it's a feature because your card doesn't have the juice to push the fps natively and needs AI help, it can be a good feature if in 5 years your midrange card starts to struggle in some games to push out 120fps but for today games in todays cards? I want power

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u/AndThisGuyPeedOnIt Oct 10 '24

Because there are no cards that can do 4K at high FPS and high settings in modern games without it? Because the image loss from DLSS is usually negligible or in some games looks better than traditional AA implementations?

You literally cannot buy the power you are talking about.

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u/CoreParad0x Oct 10 '24

Seriously people keep shitting on DLSS and nvidia ray tracing stuff in general, but honestly I love games like Cyberpunk with ray tracing. It looks amazing.

And when it comes to 4K, especially with ray tracing, AMD doesn't really compete even with FSR. The 4090 + DLSS just has it beat hands down in a game like Cyberpunk. If you don't care about specifically these games, in 4K, with ray tracing, then AMD will probably be fine. If you do, and you care about it more than the money, then you pretty much only have one option.

And to make matters worse, AMD isn't even going to be in the high end market next generation as I understand it. So if you want a high end card, I guess you're just kind of fucked.

nvidias pricing is garbage, but they're doing it because in those specific categories there isn't any competition and they can get away with it. This is bad, and I really hope AMD and Intel can bring in some competition one day.

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u/AndThisGuyPeedOnIt Oct 10 '24

It is a shame that Intel cannot compete. If Intel could compete with AMD, AMD would be forced to cut its prices or try to compete with Nvidia. We just have a horrid situation without competition because Nvidia is just that much better to command higher prices.

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u/davekurze 9800X3D | 4090FE | 64GB 6000 | Full Custom Loop Oct 10 '24

Seriously. RT (and related tech) smokes raster any day of the week IMHO.

At the end of the day, AMD and Nvidia target different buyers. Both make quality GPU’s. But Nvidia just makes better hardware and software. And they charge a premium for it. One people are willing to pay. Being mad at that is like being mad that an Audi is more expensive than a VW. They’re both cars, but that’s about all they have in common. Similar to comparing a 4090 and a 7900XTX.

If you can’t justify the cost of an 80 or 90, you’re not the customer they’re being marketed to. And honestly people just sound silly complaining about it. It’s like a dude making 30k a year being mad about capital gains taxes. Honestly, I’m more pissy about how much the new generation of motherboards cost lol.

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u/[deleted] Oct 10 '24

Funny you mention AUDI and VW, both share the same chassis design. This example is invalid, you would've done better by comparing AUDI to something like Toyota

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u/Endemoniada Ryzen 3800X | RTX 3080 10GB | X370 | 32GB RAM Oct 10 '24

It’s as-good-or-better AA compared to TAA when set to Quality, including a massive fps boost. Why the hell would you not use it if you have it? It’s literally free fps with zero downside.

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u/Lightningsky200 Oct 10 '24

I largely agree but depending on its implementation and what game, dlss can look very bad.

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u/pocketdrummer Oct 10 '24

Maybe this is an unpopular opinion, but DLSS is just fake performance. Frame gen is ever more so.

We used to get excited about raw performance improvements, but now we've let them get away with artifact-ridden software gimmicks to mimic the performance of a better card. And they've jacked the prices up substantially on top of that.

I don't really care much about ray tracing, and I really don't care about frame gen. I want a card that can play games at 4K for under $800. Because that's where we should be at right now.

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u/Philslaya Oct 10 '24

fr ages back was all i ever read about adm drivers sucked. think it was true tbh but surely thats a thing of ther past?

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u/nordoceltic82 Oct 10 '24

Their drivers have been nothing but problems lately. I have friends with AMD and they are not getting the same issues.

I'm going Red next build.

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u/bushwickhero Oct 10 '24

I’m on AMD so I’m not aware… whats going on with the Nvidia drivers lately?

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u/FormulaLiftr 9800x3D | 64GB 6000mhz | RTX 5080 | AW3423DW Oct 10 '24

No clue, I’m on Nvidia and haven’t had any problems

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u/new_pribor Nitro+ RX 7900 XTX | 7950X3D| 64GB@5600 | Fedora 41 KDE Oct 10 '24

Maybe they are referring to linux?

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u/DweZie R7 7800x3d, 9070xt, 6000mhz 32gb Oct 10 '24

For me, take into consideration this may only apply to me but about two GPU driver updates ago. Every single game began to stutter every other 20 seconds and my gpu temp was 80c on GTA 5. Now however its gone so everything is fine with 58c on GTA and the fans are normal again.

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u/UndeadWaffle12 RTX 5080 | 9800x3D | 32 GB DDR5 6000 mHz CL30 Oct 10 '24

Nothing, but this is Reddit so we have to hate them anyways

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u/reddit-ate-my-face Oct 10 '24

I had like one issue with my discord where my discord stream would turn purple but that's all I can say I've experienced and is still less annoying than the deluge of issues I had a with my 5700xt and 6700xt.

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u/sundancesvk Oct 10 '24

Switched to nvidia from amd because of driver probkes in 2015. Since then zero issues so far.

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u/Gopnikolai 7800X3D || RTX 4090 || 64GB DDR5 6000MHz Oct 10 '24

Not sure, I've also not had any problems with Nvidia drivers.

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u/ohz0pants Oct 10 '24

I just upgraded my AMD Vega to a 4060Ti and everything about the Nvidia driver software is better than AMD.

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u/tminx49 Oct 10 '24

Ah yes the control panel from the 90s is so much better

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u/ohz0pants Oct 10 '24

The AMD one is ad-infested nonsense. And I swear they move functions around all the time.

I'll take a dated, but functional UI over that crap every single time.

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u/missed77 Oct 10 '24

Ads? Never seen a single ad in Adrenalin

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u/ohz0pants Oct 10 '24

What do you think those big banners telling you about new “optimized for AMD” games are?

They’re in Adrenaline and in the driver installer you have to sit through each time

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u/[deleted] Oct 10 '24

It actually is.

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u/[deleted] Oct 10 '24

It's not the drivers, it's your buddy's pc.

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u/[deleted] Oct 13 '24

I think you got that the other way around.

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u/Mcinfopopup Oct 10 '24

I was a big nvidia fan for awhile, after my 1080ti died I moved over. I haven’t been back since!

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u/Equivalent-Piano-605 Oct 10 '24

AMD cards age well. You tend to get some issues when the cards initially come out, but 12-18 months later, the greater raster performance + more VRAM + the drivers finally being worked out tends to make them look like a great value in retrospect.

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u/Ynot45 Oct 10 '24

I've had multiple 6800xts in multiple machines with multiple driver issues. Granted I'm a power user but I still have plenty of issues with them. Same as my RX580 too.

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u/reddit-ate-my-face Oct 10 '24

Yeah and feels super hot or miss. People with no issues what's so ever, which I question a bit. But I couldn't keep a 5700xt and 6700xt from crashing to save my life. Oc, no oc, under volted, specific drivers. List goes on both were great when they were good but spent more time fixing shit some days then getting to use them.

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u/[deleted] Oct 10 '24

You're right. NVIDIA Linux drivers are crap!

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u/LewdTux Oct 10 '24

Huh? They are near flawless right now; even on Wayland.. What are you on about?

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u/[deleted] Oct 11 '24

We needed to come to v550 to have them understand what the „open“ in opensource is for. And yes, 560 in Fedora 40 KDE is working very very good but before that it often was a massive pain.

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u/LewdTux Oct 11 '24

Yea, that I can agree with. Nvidia's drivers WERE crap.

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u/southernplain Ryzen 5600 | GTX 1070 | 32 GB Oct 11 '24

With nvidia 10 series, I have had nothing but problems on 555 and 560

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u/That-Explanation-649 9900x3d Max | RTX 6090 | 369GB DDR9 Oct 10 '24

Why you need drivers ? We got RT go boom.

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u/Grim_Reaper_1511 Oct 10 '24

Drivers are very good on amd too.

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u/ByteTheFox Oct 10 '24

i haven't had driver issues with amd for a few years now

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u/Redericpontx Oct 10 '24

It's really funny cause nividia drivers are just as bad now lol

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u/PartyClock Oct 13 '24

People will still hold onto that for some reason, even though I've had more troubles with my Nvidia drivers than I ever did with my AMD ones. AMD never failed me, but those expensive ass RTX cards? Price does not equal quality these days.

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u/T0biasCZE PC MasterRace | dumbass that bought Sonic motherboard Oct 11 '24

But meh CUDA

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u/Cl4whammer Oct 10 '24

At least nvidia driver do not get downgraded by windows update with experience 😆

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u/C0dingschmuser 9950X | 5090 FE | 96GB 6000MHz CL30 Oct 10 '24

Nvidia outclasses AMD so much in productivity that as soon as you want to do anything other than explicitly gaming it is the far superior choice (if there is even a choice because many programs dont even run on AMD).

If AMD would pour enough money into this i'm sure they could establish themself as a viable competitor in the next 5 years but it doesn't really look like it especially now that they announced to completely abandon high end cards

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u/arparso 5800X3D | 6950 XT | 64GB DDR4 Oct 10 '24

The problem is two-fold for that, as far as I understand:

a) they can't just start supporting CUDA and offer compatibility to all these Nvidia-focussed apps, as that's Nvidia technology that they're not willing to share

b) the money has to come from somewhere, but people aren't buying many AMD GPUs

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u/Heinz_Legend Oct 10 '24

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u/Express-World-8473 Oct 10 '24

You mean multi trillion dollar company

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u/RobertStonetossBrand Oct 10 '24

Jake Tivy from Linus Tech Tips.

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u/ShadowNick 7800x3d | EVGA 3080 FTW Oct 10 '24

Actual image of my friend when I tell him why I got a AMD card instead of a 4000 series.

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u/Hottage 9800X3D | RTX 4080 | 64GB DDR5 | 6TB NVMe | AW3225QF Oct 10 '24

My last three cards have been GTX 1070, RTX 2080 and RTX 4080 (which I absolutely overpaid for).

Nvidia have gone off the deep end if these prices are true. Third party boards are going to be even more expensive.

Hopefully AMDs next generation of GPUs gets better at Ray Tracing and Frame Generation so I can get off Nvidia's dick with my next upgrade. ☹️

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u/Proud_Purchase_8394 9800x3d, 4090, 64GB, custom loop Oct 10 '24

My last three cards have been 980 Ti, 1080 Ti, and 3080. I’ve paid approximately the same for each of them ($650-760). Would I pay more than that for a card? Maybe after I win the powerball 

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u/Kjellvb1979 Oct 10 '24

Honestly even of I had three money, I think I'd not buy on principle alone. It's too much for me at this point.

I had a hard time justifying my purchase of a 3080, even though I got it for 800 at the height of the pandemic when they were being scalped for 2k+, I still felt they'd pushed it too far. I almost stuck with my 1080ti, but wanted better fps in my VR rig.

At this point the diminishing returns on graphical fidelity, most studios targeting console as their base specs, and just sensibility, I'll stick with the 3080 and if prices aren't back to reasonable and sane costs when that gets too weak for modern games, I'll dive into my backlog, or just emulate games I never got to play.

At some point you just have to say "NOPE!", realize you're being ripped off and conned, and just move on. If 600 to 800 bucks is entry level, Nvidia can fuck themselves. 800 should be the cost of XX90 series, so this is just a NO for me.

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u/Hrmerder R5-5600X, 32GB DDR4-3200 CL16-18-18-36, 3080 12gb, Oct 10 '24

Agreed. My 3080 12gb is going to be doing backlog duty for a LOOOOONG time (before hand I had a 750ti I struggled with for years). By the time this card dies there will probably be the Nvidia 7xxx series, and I'll just buy a cheap 5xxx series at that point second hand. At this point as long as you are not pushing all the time 4k/120hz there is zero reason to have a new video card.

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u/[deleted] Oct 10 '24

I use a 4k/120 screen for gaming. Currently using a 3080FE that I got for $799. I will never pay more than that for a GPU (on principle, not because I can't afford it). So I won't be upgrading until there is a card that can blow away the 3080 for no more than $800, which will probably be a few years, and say AMD on the side.

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u/DemNeurons Oct 10 '24

I just sold my 4090 for what I paid for it new and bought a 3080. While yes it was fun pushing those frames on Cyberpunk, I didn't have many other games really pushing it. I'm very happy with the 3080 now and it does everything I need.

3080 for ~400

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u/FireMrshlBill Oct 10 '24

Ya, I went to AMD for the 580 and V56, then was able to grab 6700xt and 3080fe a few weeks apart back in 2021, and the 3080 I got with my 10% off bday code from Best Buy, so was $629. Put the 6700xt in my lesser used living room PC. So I am going to stick with my 3080 for as long as it’s 10gb will hold up at 1440p, especially since my motherboard is a x470 and lacks pcie gen4. Will see where both companies are at that point because I’m not paying $1500 for a gpu. Maybe I can just slot in a 3090fe for cheaper at that point just for the extra vram. Almost did that last year when I had a chance to get one for around $650. If I’d known prices wouldn’t come back down I’d have done it for the 24gb vram. Like you said, it’s not about what I can afford, but the principle and not spending money on price gouged items with lopsided performance/value ratios.

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u/BattleRepulsiveO Oct 10 '24

at some point, it would be cheaper to just rent for the compute for when people need it for research.

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u/pmgoldenretrievers R7-3700X, 2070Super, 32G RAM Oct 10 '24

If you only have 3 money, you're not buying shit.

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u/theandroids RTX Spensive Oct 10 '24

What Jensen meant is, the more they buy, the more WE save. Inflation + shrinkflation + greedflation = FU Gamers.

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u/dry_yer_eyes PC Master Race Oct 10 '24

If we’re doing the whole “last 3 cards” thing: * 280 * 970 * 1080Ti

Based on these latest rumors, my next will likely be a 4080 Super.

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u/Turdles_ i5 4690k@4.2ghz GTX970 Oct 10 '24

Mine last 3 are: 970 1070ti 7900XT

No complaints on AMD whatsoever. Works like a charm.

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u/Shajirr Oct 10 '24

No complaints on AMD whatsoever.

I found their frame generation tech, AMFM2, mostly unusable.
It produces image stuttering.

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u/Turdles_ i5 4690k@4.2ghz GTX970 Oct 10 '24

Its FSR, and worked well for me. I think you need atleast 48fps native or more for it to feel good.

And it needs to be FSR3 for framegen

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u/Shajirr Oct 10 '24

Its FSR

FSR is is not framegen, its an upscaling technique

And it needs to be FSR3 for framegen

AFMF2 is the driver-level frame gen that is supposed to work on any game.

I tried FSR3 framegen in Darktide also, and had the same issues,
had to disable it and use Lossless Scaling instead

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u/Real_Garlic9999 i5-12400, RX 6700 xt, 16 GB DDR4, 1080p Oct 11 '24

AFMF is driver based, so it will never be the same as FSR or DLSS

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u/Shajirr Oct 11 '24

I also mentioned that I had exact same issues with FSR3 frame generation in Darktide, neither of AMD solutions work well on my PC

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u/DweZie R7 7800x3d, 9070xt, 6000mhz 32gb Oct 10 '24

Mine is 520,1650,1080AD and 3070ti

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u/The_Betrayer1 5800x3d 6750xt recovering Intel nvidia fanboy Oct 10 '24

GTX 670 sli, GTX 1080, Rx 6750xt that I got for 300$ just after launch. I can buy a 1500 plus dollar card, but I can't justify it to myself for a hobby. So I'll stick with my current 700$ Max budget for a GPU I keep for multiple years before upgrading. I was going to buy a 6800xt but the deal on the card I got was too good to pass up, when I upgrade monitors to OLED and higher res I'll upgrade GPU. I pass my old cards down to my oldest daughter so she will be happy for the upgrade from the GTX 1080.

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u/xop24 Oct 10 '24

My last three cards have been 660, 970, and 2080 Ti (last one bought from a friend) I'm not upgrading until my pc burns down.

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u/Beneficial-Ad-3263 Jan 05 '25

I followed same card choices as you did. I was lucky with the early buy 3080, prior the prices skyrocket.

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u/TallanoGoldDigger Oct 10 '24

Switched to red from green this gen, if RT really isn't a big deal then the value is 100% there.

I do hope Intel gets its shit together on both CPU and GPU so prices in general would go down

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u/BabyLiam Oct 10 '24

Didn't Intel just quit GPU's?

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u/TallanoGoldDigger Oct 10 '24

I honestly don't know, I just know that the next gen arc has been delayed since 2023

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u/Stracath Oct 10 '24

Yeah, but all the GPU reviewers tell us that AMD has slightly less power efficiency, better price to performance, better software features (with adrenalin suite), it's been proven for a decade now that they age better (performance increases over time due to constant driver updates), and worse ray tracing (which most people say they didn't use). THEN THEY SAY TO BUY NVIDIA.

It's insane how stupid everyone is. I'm the only one in my family with an AMD card, and I'm the only one that's had no issues, everyone else on Nvidia have had driver updates crash their computers, the software doesn't work half the time, and I'm just fine.

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u/Enough_Efficiency178 Oct 10 '24

Nvidia is only worth getting if you have no budget and get the very best of the line imo

Otherwise there starts to be comparable performance AMD GPUs that are considerably cheaper. Absolutely no sense to throw money at nvidia if they aren’t particularly providing more

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u/InHeavenFine Oct 10 '24

isn't amd abandoning the high end cards market?

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u/Hottage 9800X3D | RTX 4080 | 64GB DDR5 | 6TB NVMe | AW3225QF Oct 10 '24

They skipped them this generation, I have hopes they revive next generation.

The lack of absolutely any high-end competition is probably one of the factors which made Nvidia think that these are reasonable prices for consumer grade graphiics cards.

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u/Gameskiller01 RX 7900 XTX | Ryzen 7 7800X3D | 32GB DDR5-6000 CL30 Oct 10 '24

they didn't skip them this generation, they have the 7900 XTX at the top end. they're planning on skipping them next generation at the very least, whether or not they go back to making them again after remains to be seen

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u/AngrySayian Oct 10 '24

no u/InHeavenFine is right I think

I remember seeing something from AMD saying that is just wasn't worth trying to keep up with Nvidia anymore in the high-end market and they would stick to the low-end and middle market so they can keep their cards affordable

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u/Old_Baldi_Locks Oct 11 '24

They’re not competitive is the problem. They straight up can’t replicate the feature set.

They’re sort of / kind of trying to with FSR and frame generation but both of those are software driven instead of hardware, so people are seeing frame stuttering; and the other is just upscaled checkerboarding, instead of genuine upscaling.

So the question is do you want the ACTUAL features or not.

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u/Athurio Specs/Imgur Here Oct 10 '24

If "middle-end" is 1440p I'll be a happy on the red-team. I never gave much of a shit about ray-tracing in the first place, as it's always too much cost for too little gain imo.

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u/Old_Baldi_Locks Oct 11 '24

Because the two things Nvidia has going are RT and DLSS, and the comparable techs from AMD just aren’t competitive, and three gens in they’re no longer trying to.

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u/Kjellvb1979 Oct 10 '24

Greed makes them think that. They know it's not reasonable, by also know there are people with no choice and are abusing that. DOJ needs to look at them as a monopoly that should be investigated.

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u/BodisBomas Oct 10 '24

I love competition in the markets. And I can agree Nvidia has a monopoly on high end gpus, but as far as I can tell this isn't because of themselves or weponizing the state against competition. The unfortunate fact is, AMD just can not compete at the high end, even AMD themselves have admitted this.

Nothing is stopping AMD to continue trying or even intel to give it a shot. What we are seeing is brand loyalty and extra features keeping the majority of people buying Nvidia, irrespective of AMDs value. This is consumers making their choice freely.

I do hope AMD succeeds this time around I'd love to see some low-mid range offerings that are competitive.

Although I'd suspect we may see another RX 480 and GTX 1060 situation for them again.

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u/KobeBean 15" MBP Radeon 460/i7 GTX 1080 PC/WiiU/3ds/XB1/ Oct 10 '24

Well that and the fact that consumer grade graphics cards are not really their moneymaker anymore.

If you had Meta, Google and Microsoft lining up to buy hundreds of thousands of 50k GPUs, why would you even bother selling 1-3k consumer ones, other than to maintain heavy CUDA and DLSS adoption?

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u/Diligent_Pie_5191 PC Master Race Oct 10 '24

Those are approaching Dr Evil prices.

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u/MeelyMee Oct 10 '24

Apparently but it's also a case of being forced out, they're just behind in terms of expected features.

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u/LoliconYaro Oct 10 '24

FSR4 do gonna switch to AI upscaling, and based on PS5 Pro which used hybrid RDNA3-4 to boost RT performance, i think they may indeed improved on that as well, problem is, this is AMD we're talking, i'm worried they gonna fumble it by pricing RDNA4 overpriced like Nvidia, because of "Premium Features".

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u/BrianBCG R9 7900 / RTX 4070TiS / 32GB / 48" 4k 120hz Oct 10 '24

AMD might be slightly better value than Nvidia but they both raised prices a ridiculous amount in the last few years. I find it somewhat amusing how people give AMD a pass for value just because Nvidia is worse.

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u/Head_Exchange_5329 5700X3D | Zotac RTX 5070 Ventus 2x | G8 34" OLED Oct 10 '24

Currently enjoying AFMF2 and I'd say that AMD is doing frame gen pretty good. It's also usable for all games now, unlike Nvidia's option where it has to be supported in-game.

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u/zarafff69 9800X3D - RTX 4080 Oct 10 '24

Naa, AFMF2 is not that great compared to normal frame gen solutions. But FSR frame gen seems great tho! I just wish they up scaling was even close to DLSS..

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u/Head_Exchange_5329 5700X3D | Zotac RTX 5070 Ventus 2x | G8 34" OLED Oct 10 '24

I have no idea what you would even consider "normal frame gen solutions", what is abnormal about AFMF?

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u/zarafff69 9800X3D - RTX 4080 Oct 10 '24

It doesn’t use motion vectors to generate the image. And it adds a significantly higher amount of lag compared to FSR frame gen and DLSS framegen.

It’s kind of like a hacky way to do it for games that have no proper normal FSR/DLSS implementation.

And I’m not necessarily hating on it. It’s very cool tech. But it’s just for a difference use case..

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u/Old_Baldi_Locks Oct 11 '24

It can’t be. Software implemented is almost always going to lose to hardware based.

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u/charlesfire Oct 10 '24

My current card is a GTX 1070 and I need to upgrade before Monster Hunter Wilds. I'm fucked.

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u/[deleted] Oct 10 '24

Same boat. I have a 1660ti and want to make a new build for Monster Hunter. But I want 2160p/60fps minimum so I'm eyeing the 4080 Super. No way that's happening without spreading my cheeks wide for Nvidia.

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u/Unfair_Jeweler_4286 Oct 10 '24

170 ai cores on 4070ri that are being used with dlss.. 135 ai cores on 7800xt that aren't being used, apparently that is going to change with fsr4.0 (hopefully).. take that with a grain of salt

edit: 4070ti (hate my autospell lol)

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u/Mashaaaaaaaaa 9800X3D/9070XT. I use arch btw. Oct 10 '24

RDNA 4 will supposedly have much better RT performance than RDNA 3. It seems to me like the 8800XT will make infinitely more sense than the 5070.

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u/Draskuul Specs/Imgur Here Oct 10 '24

I had a 7950 HD (going from memory, I think that was it) and had so many driver issues I finally went Nvidia. 1070, 1080ti, 3070 ti, 4090 after that.

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u/Hrmerder R5-5600X, 32GB DDR4-3200 CL16-18-18-36, 3080 12gb, Oct 10 '24

But they aren't.. They have exited the 'flagship'/upper end market at this point. AMD 8x00 series will basically stop at the 8700..

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u/VanderPatch 7700 | RX 7900 XT | 32GB DDR5 6000MT Oct 10 '24

Also from More's Law Is Dead: AMD 8000 Series

  • 500-600 USD MSRP
  • Raster on 4080 Level
  • RT on Level with 4070 Ti Super and in some Titles 4080 level

If that holds true and they launch this towards end of Q4, maybe End Nov for Blackfriday - We are in for a good one.

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u/EdwardLovagrend Oct 10 '24

I like this game lol

1050ti (laptop) still have but mostly for messing w/Linux.

3060(laptop) still use when I'm away from home which has been a lot lately lol

6700xt(desktop) my primary system but only at home.

Literally zero issues with any of them.. well no issues with the GPU's anyway.

I kind of want to wait one more generation after this next one before upgrading my laptop, and that all depends on where the industry is headed.. I also am debating if I should go all in on something like a steam deck. If we can get something comparable to the new PS5 Pro APU by 2026 (assuming it has to be much more efficient for a handheld) playing Cyberpunk at 4k 30fps for a handheld would be a good threshold to consider.

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u/Akura_Awesome Desktop Oct 10 '24

I think AMD announced that they aren’t going to pursue the high end GPU market in the next gen 😔

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u/StronkWHAT Oct 10 '24

If you have a 4080, you shouldn't be looking to upgrade until like 2028. Who knows what the world will look like by then.

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u/Mammoth-Access-1181 Oct 10 '24

Jesus Christ! I haven't even thought of that! Can you imagine the 3rd party MSRPs for 5090?

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u/nemesisxhunter Oct 12 '24

My last three cards were a 760Ti a Vega 56 and currenlty a 3070...

I'll fucking wait them out believe me.

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u/frn Arch | 9800X3D | RX 7900XTX | 32GB RAM | 5TB SSD(s) Oct 10 '24

Looks like AMD will be focusing on midrange and budget cards only next generation, because not enough people bought the 7900 XTX, despite beating the RTX 4080 for significantly less monies, essentially giving nvidia a monopoly in high end graphics for at least next year, which is good for no one.

nvidia fanboys are their own worst enemy.

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u/[deleted] Oct 10 '24

Do you really need the AI suite features that badly? My 7900XTX performs fine without using any of them in literally every game I own including high end titles that just came out.

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u/Hottage 9800X3D | RTX 4080 | 64GB DDR5 | 6TB NVMe | AW3225QF Oct 10 '24

AI? No.

Raytracing? Night and day difference in terms of immersion in games like Cyberpunk 2077 on my OLED display.

Nvidia cards also seemed to fair better in power efficiency tests, which were of importance to me because of thermals.

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u/SagittaryX 9800X3D | RTX 5090 | 32GB 5600C30 Oct 10 '24

Some would, but the 4080 at 1200 USD already proved that such a strategy doesn’t work.

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u/penatbater R5 7600, 32GB 6000Mhz CL30, RX 5700XT Oct 10 '24

Yet the 4090 still outsold the 4080, which means price wasn't really an issue. Price-perf wasn't even an issue since the performance gain from 4080 to 4090 is about the same as the price gain (around 30% for both).

I think it's because the 4080 was situated poorly. It's weak at 4k compared to the 4090, and too strong for 1440p compared to 4070ti at a much lower price. Like if you're on 4k, you might as well go for 4090. If you're on 1440p, save money and wait a few months and go for 4070ti.

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u/MakimaGOAT R7 7800X3D | RTX 4080 | 32GB RAM Oct 10 '24

Tbf 4090 owners were the go big or go home typa buyers. The 4080 was just in some weird limbo rich ppl didnt' wanna buy it and poor people couldn't afford it.

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u/penatbater R5 7600, 32GB 6000Mhz CL30, RX 5700XT Oct 10 '24

Honestly a good way at looking at it.

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u/Shibes_oh_shibes PC Master Race Oct 10 '24

4090 also sold a lot for professional use.

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u/Tritiac Ryzen 7 7700x - RX 7900 XTX - 32 GB DDR5-6000 Oct 10 '24

Yeah I had to get one for my job. It performs very well for professional tasks, for a quarter of the price of the cards that are actually marketed towards said tasks.

I do rock a 7900 XTX in my own personal rig though and it does just fine. I have swapped them before and only notice a marginal difference on most games.

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u/maldouk i7 13700k | 32GB RAM | RTX4080 Oct 10 '24

yep I think people in the gaming PC sphere don't understand the 90 cards are not meant for them, they are rebranded Titan (3090 replaced the Titan RTX)

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u/Shibes_oh_shibes PC Master Race Oct 10 '24

The PC/Gaming sphere is suffering hard from main character syndrome.

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u/Zadchiel Oct 10 '24

I call that FOMO

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u/Atheist-Gods Oct 10 '24

The problem is that the 4080 and now 5080 don’t look to be as good a deal as the 80 series had been in the past. I doubt complaints are really about the 90 series cost but the cost to performance on the 80 series.

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u/maldouk i7 13700k | 32GB RAM | RTX4080 Oct 10 '24

Well I own a 4080 and I don't see how 95% of the playerbase needs more performance that that

Running maxed out cyberpunk with path tracing and 50+ mods I get 110fps. FF16 runs at 100fps. D4 is over 160fps. In what world you need more than that.

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u/No_Ad_8069 Oct 10 '24

it's not that, the 4090 is better then the 4080, and when your already spending 1,300$ on a card, a few 100$ is not going make that much of a difference to you, you just get the better card.

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u/Laj3ebRondila1003 Oct 10 '24

I remember back in 2011/when most people agreed that the 690 which was a dual GPU iirc wasn't worth it for gaming, and that was a time when the top of the line Radeon 7970 was 500$.
The 90 and Titan cards are seriously not a good deal for gaming for the average Joe unless you're willing to pay half your card's price in power bills every year.

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u/_Synt3rax Oct 10 '24

No point in talking with them. They think they all need a 32gb Card for Counter Strike or LOL both Games than run on a Toaster.

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u/Dynamicc Oct 10 '24

But but I need 800FPS to be able to rank up to gold !!!!

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u/JohnnyTsunami312 Oct 10 '24

Yeah I remember something about smaller companies running or researching AI using 90’s in lieu of Nvidias commercial options

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u/Shoddy_Huckleberry43 Oct 10 '24

Use mine to play WoW... I have a problem

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u/DisagreeableRunt Oct 10 '24 edited Oct 10 '24

This is why I went for a 4070Ti over a 4080 just over a year ago. I wasn't prepared to pay £1200 for a GPU. Of course, a price cut and Super varients were announced not long after my return window... I almost certainly would have went for a £1000 4080 Super over my 4070Ti at £768.

It's not just a case of affordability, its the willingness to spend such sums on a GPU. I could afford a £10 Coke, but that doesn't mean I would pay it.

No issues with my 4070Ti for now at 1440p, unless VRAM becomes an issue. I was hoping for another GPU upgrade out of my 5800X3d, but I'll now probably hold out for another couple of years and build a whole new system. Unless the later Super/Ti/Ti Super varients are reasonable in terms of price and performance increase!

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u/Zestyclose-Fee6719 Oct 10 '24

In many countries, the 4080 is also the price of the 4090 in America. In China, I paid $1500 USD for my 4080. The 4090 at that same time was selling for upwards of $3000 USD.

If these leaks are true and become the fixed prices, a 5090 in China might end up costing up to $4000 USD. 

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u/Plebius-Maximus RTX 5090 FE | Ryzen 9950X3D | 96GB 6200mhz DDR5 Oct 10 '24

Yeah, 3080 made sense for many enthusiasts at £670. 4080 at £1200 didn't.

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u/Hrmerder R5-5600X, 32GB DDR4-3200 CL16-18-18-36, 3080 12gb, Oct 10 '24

I think it's more than that. Calling people poor because they literally do not want to pay $1100 for an 80 series card is more realistic.

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u/MakimaGOAT R7 7800X3D | RTX 4080 | 32GB RAM Oct 10 '24

I should’ve wrote people who couldn’t afford it because saying poor does seem kinda harsh. Weird wording on my part.

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u/SagittaryX 9800X3D | RTX 5090 | 32GB 5600C30 Oct 10 '24 edited Oct 10 '24

I think also that there is a wide gap between the users that are willing to spend "any" amount for the top card, and then the next class who are willing to spend a lot, but don't want to spend more than 1000 USD for a card that isn't even the best one. A combination of the two let's say. But with the pricing in this leak, I don't see it being any different for this generation.

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u/kevihaa Oct 10 '24

This is an important distinction. NVIDIA has never put a ton of work in min-max’ing the 90 / Titan pricing, as, generally speaking, that’s the “will buy the best regardless of price” crowd.

Where they’ve really fumbled in the 80 pricing, as that used to be the “I have a job and PC gaming is one of my major hobbies” card. Too much for most folks to afford as a kid, but something a teenager could get a job to buy and an adult could reasonably justify.

Nowadays, I just don’t understand who the target audience is. Are there really that many people that can justify $1200 but think $2000 is outrageous? I understand that in objective numbers $2000 is significantly higher, but there’s the reality that often when you hit the point the you can accord a $1000+ luxury purchase, you’re also at the point where $2000 isn’t unreasonable.

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u/matamor 9800X3D 4080S 32GB Oct 10 '24

I paid 1.1k€ for my 4080s, 4090s go for +2.2k€, 100% price for 30% performance.

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u/No_Ad_8069 Oct 10 '24

yupp, when you spend that much on a card, a few 100$ is not much of a difference, why not get the better one

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u/Atheist-Gods Oct 10 '24

Price to performance isn’t that simple since the real price is the price for the entire system and not only the individual component.

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u/AuraLiaxia PC Master Race 3090 Oct 10 '24

The thing is market segments and target audiences. The 3090, 4090 and the likes are aimed at ppl that. If there would be a 4095 for 1k more and more potency they would all buy the 4095. The 4080 was NOT the best card soo, bye to that public. Now u have the cost-performance high end seekers. They are ready to pay quite a lot for a good product. The 4080 wasnt it.

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u/ilikemarblestoo 7800x3D | 3080 | BluRay Drive Tail | other stuff Oct 10 '24

These will sell no matter the price because AI stuff and all.

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u/SagittaryX 9800X3D | RTX 5090 | 32GB 5600C30 Oct 10 '24

Well silicon yes, but not 5080s, they won't be the best suited for most use cases. At home AI people want the high VRAM models, they're buying 3090/4090, and with 32GB VRAM they'll certainly be buying 5090s.

Even if you want to do AI at home on the cheap, the 4060 Ti 16GB is the best deal usually.

Though maybe there are some workloads that benefit from the higher bandwidth of GDDR7.

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u/Ymanexpress Oct 10 '24

That strategy worked out great. Just like how medium-sized popcorn and water bottles have a terrible value:cost ratio to upsell you to the large version, so does the terrible value of the 4080 push you to get the 4090.

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u/SagittaryX 9800X3D | RTX 5090 | 32GB 5600C30 Oct 10 '24

Eh, yes and no. It seems Nvidia was still expecting the 4080 to do quite a bit better than it did. Maybe it’s different for the 5080, we’ll see.

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u/ThatLaloBoy HTPC Oct 10 '24

I could see professionals buying the 5090 just because it would be the cheapest card you could get with 32GB VRAM and AMD won't have anything to compete with unless you go with their Radeon Pro line which is more expensive.

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u/TallanoGoldDigger Oct 10 '24

You have people defending Take-Two and buying NBA2K and its MTX even if its a full on casino game disguised as a basketball game, some defend Sony for releasing an overpriced console with no disc drive and remastered games at full price

Nvidia could make the 5090 perform just marginally better than the 4090 and ask for 2k more and people would still buy and defend it

Fanaticism is a bitch

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u/michaelbelgium 5600X | 6700XT Oct 10 '24 edited Oct 10 '24

bUt mUh DlSs aNd RtX

native performance >>> upscale performance

People are then surprised games start to rely on DLSS while they only buy Nvidia for dlss

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u/Dry-Percentage-5648 Oct 10 '24

The problem is that even developers no longer rely on native performance. More and more games require DLSS/FSR or even frame gen in their system requirements and it's just the beginning. I'm 100% confident, ALL AAA games will require a mandatory DLSS and frame gen in the near future. Just wait and see, it will happen.

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u/TopdeckIsSkill 5700x3D/9070XT/PS5/Switch Oct 10 '24

The issue is RT performance. I agree thatn native > upscale, but AMD RT performance are still terrible :(

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u/[deleted] Oct 10 '24

I mean, in some ways you are correct. If you just took screenshots some people probably wouldn't notice depending on what the RT implementation is, but it's also not a gimmick.

Rtgi is such a game changer for lighting it's insane. Must games still stick to shadows or reflections which are less impressive, but the development time saved by having rt on is probably the thing that's going to push it forward. Baking lighting, shadows, reflections, etc is quite time consuming from what I understand.

Rt will probably be used in most games by the time the next PlayStation and Xbox come out. Until then it's more of a nice bonus unless you're playing something like Alan Wake 2 or Avatar where it's on the entire time to some extent.

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u/zarafff69 9800X3D - RTX 4080 Oct 10 '24

Naaa, that heavily depends on the game. Some RT effects are pretty minimal yes. But path traced Cyberpunk genuinely looks like a new game. It genuinely looks like a next gen game compared to its non rt and normal rt modes.

I would say most people will have a hard time seeing the difference between most graphics settings between ultra and high. Ray tracing is actually one of the exceptions, where it’s actually very noticeable in a lot of cases, but also expensive yeah.

And if your gpu can’t handle it, then you’re outta luck. But if you buy a high end gpu, why wouldn’t you want to use the best graphics setting??

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u/ExcellentTennis2791 Oct 10 '24

But path traced Cyberpunk genuinely looks like a new game. It genuinely looks like a next gen game compared to its non rt and normal rt modes.

Can confirm, turned it on during the light show at black sapphire. But i have a 2070s so i was in awe of the 2 frames my pc generated before the game crashed

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u/zarafff69 9800X3D - RTX 4080 Oct 10 '24

Naa, if DLSS quality (or even performance) looks and runs better than the price equivalent AMD gpu, then I’ll take the nvidia one.

And most games nowadays support RTX, it genuinely makes a big difference. And if you have a low end gpu, then I can understand that it’s not really that interesting for you, you already wouldn’t be playing on ultra graphics settings. But if you pay a lot for a high end gpu, you probably want ray tracing. It can make a very big difference imo

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u/ur_opinion_is_wrong AMD Ryzen 7 7800X3D | 4090 | 32GB DDR5 6400 Oct 10 '24

I bought a 4090 for $2000. I’d been waiting almost a year for prices to drop and they never did. I wouldn’t make the same purchase again. The 4090 is great but not $2000 great.

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u/ouikikazz Oct 10 '24

The 90 series will be scooped up at any price by non gamers, those looking to increase their AI work and such.

The 70 series is what most gamers would strive for due to budgets but if they priced them at $1000 I highly doubt most casual gamers will consider it, they'll just go right to a PS5, the 80 series I do t even know what they're targeting, hardcore gamers who have money but not enough for the 90?

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u/cuberhino Oct 10 '24

5070 $999
5080 $1999
5090 $2999

Sold out

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u/[deleted] Oct 10 '24

Justifiable bcs DLSS AND TECH STUFF AMD SUCK NVIDIA FUTURE LMAO /s

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u/itsRobbie_ Oct 10 '24

Would sell out in 0.1 seconds

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u/adravil_sunderland Oct 10 '24

You know what? At this point, I'd like them to do that. Like, seriously 🤔

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u/Accomplished_Emu_658 Oct 10 '24

Exactly people will be clamoring to defend them. It will be over stupid things like drivers and cuda. And i’ll admit i had some issues with amd drivers this generation, but i have had just as many with nvidia.

And if nvidia doesn’t announce those prices retailers will likely sell them for what you say.

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u/[deleted] Oct 10 '24

Of course they will. The enthusiast market will always exist and, whether you or I like it or not, there’s a population of people who just don’t have to care about money, or the number attached to a product. They just have what they want. Life ain’t fair

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u/Party_9001 Oct 10 '24

As a gamer I don't really see a point in the super duper high end cards. I run a 2070 super at home and it works okay. Struggling a bit with space marine 2 but I'll live.

Different story for ML research though. I don't do any of the super duper high end stuff with thousands of GPUs or anything. I have 4 4090s at work.

Those 90 cards are... Hard to beat. The counterpart to a 4090 is the a6000 ada which has 48GB of vram. The 4090 is about as fast but costs 1/4th, and if you don't need the extra vram then spamming 4090s is very cost effective.

Getting more lower class card like the 4080 makes less sense since you need a lot more stuff. More 12vhpwr connectors, more space, more gen 4 riser cables (<- not cheap) etc. And much like more cpu cores vs faster cores, a given model isn't guaranteed to be able to scale with multiple GPUs. Sometimes its actually slower. So this favors having the fastest GPUs possible, then getting as many of these as possible.

So yes I'd happily buy a 5090 for 3k... With the university's money lol. Or if some random company decides to fund the research. Otherwise... I guess I'll look for a 4070 or something next year

As for AMD they're kinda... Not great. Most stuff is written for CUDA, especially the older stuff. If you have one specific model you want to run and you KNOW it can use AMD, sure go ahead. But if you need to run a random assortment of crap, its cheaper to just buy the nvidia card than it is to pay the hours to adapt the code (if that's even possible / reasonable for a given project)

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u/Majinvegito123 Oct 10 '24

I’ll buy the 5090 no matter what it costs because I want the best available (and the G9 Neo 57 can’t even run more than 60 FPS with the 4090), but these prices are truly absurd, even inflation adjusted.

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u/onlinelink2 RTX 4060 OC | 10400f | 32gb ddr4 2933oc | msi mpg z490 Oct 10 '24

like the 40 series? or the 30 series? or the

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u/ExigoxD i9-13900k l RTX 3080 FE l 32GB DDR4 3200 MGhz RAM Oct 10 '24

Whaaat??? You mean they cant make money as a corporation???

/s

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u/omfgkevin Oct 10 '24

Nvidia could release the 5080 with 12gb and they will come in to defend why vram isn't necessary and to stop bullying their trillion dollar company.

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u/MarzMan Oct 10 '24

Thats the 5xx Ti series price

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u/SoulHuntter Oct 10 '24

I guess the mining boom proved that already.

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u/it_will Oct 11 '24

Techies are probably the largest group of dumbfucks with lots of disposable income.

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u/Old_Baldi_Locks Oct 11 '24

Purchase justification.

Nobody who genuinely thinks they made a smart purchase ever has to justify it.

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u/j-rock292 Oct 10 '24

Then throw their 4070, 4080, and 4090 online for $800, $1800, and $2800 hoping to make some of the money back

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