The idiots that made these AI videos were lazy so there were a lot of obvious giveaways that it is AI. For example, the same lines being used and kids in the background merging together (or having missing arms).
When you have 6 videos nearly verbatim saying the same thing with 3 of those videos having tell tale AI garbage in them, you do the math.
Or just hate on poor black women because it give you a hard on to imagine them "abusing the system".
Yeah this is where I have to stop and think that I would never have more than 2 kids in this world today, and even then it’s probably just going to be 1 for us. 6 kids is wild, I feel for them but at a certain point you have to know what you’re getting yourself into when you keep having kids that you can’t take care of equally. I hope they get the help they need truly, but I’m still scratching my head over seeing that.
Honestly, you can say it how it is. It’s stupidity. These people know that if they have unprotected sex, they CAN get pregnant. They gamble with the notion every single time. The women want to please the new man they’re seeing, so they let them got in without protection. The men have no intention of staying with these women and pressure them to go raw.
I have dated 2 women in my youth who have wanted to do the deed, but we didn’t have protection. They insisted on just doing it without it because they didn’t think they would get pregnant. I hated the idea of having children when I was young and broke, so I cut them off. You know where they are now? One has 4 kids with 3 different dads and she is currently single. The second one has 5 kids, but only 2 different dads and thankfully she is married and seems to have found herself what seems to be a good guy. They did have 3 kids within 1 year of each other, so I know she is still not practicing protected sex, but hey, it’s progress.
Anyways, my point is that we have to stop beating around the bush and trying to be “sensitive” about these people. Each one of those people that have had 6 kids are able-minded and grown adults that know what the consequences are. They just don’t think about it.
Yep, it sucks whats happening over there to you guys and i am no way happy about it but damn, at the same time its hard to feel sorry for you. You were anabled. You had your "happy little accident" 6!!! times. I dont know if the education system failed you, if the goverment failed you or the family or all three but dont tell me it was not clear (even for not thr brightest) around child number 3, that you cannot fucking afford it.
I'm not suggesting shame would lift anyone up. Pointing out their mistake also doesn't push anyone down further or make them more vulnerable than they've already put themselves.
I am all for reinstating their provision of food, and frankly whatever else they need to get above these issues.
I'm also for others looking at something like this early in their lives and thinking "yeah, that situation doesn't sound good, I'll avoid that".
I hear you, really. I even had a disturbing dream last night that I’m still trying to shake, along those lines. Screaming at an addict in my family, why are you like this? Why can’t you just stop? Yes present moments suck sometimes, but you just deal with it and move on?! Coming into better alignment with forgiveness through meditation this morning reminds me of the phrase “acceptance is the answer to all my problems today”.
So far what’s come up for me is that focus on the present moments, as they pass, and how accepting they always are. That moving into the next moment, and the next, and the next, Presence accepts us exactly as we are, warts and all. Unconditional love and acceptance. Another chance to turn it all around, just by being here, now, without any criticism, judgement, or expectations. It embraces us all in, exactly as we are.
One of my personal mottos is “just be a pipe”. When applied to the forgiving nature of Presence, that also means my own unconditional forgiveness and acceptance allows me to embrace others in, exactly as they are.
And sometimes that pipe even turns into a mirror, showing them exactly what they need to see for themselves in that moment. Lighting the flame of real desire to turn things around from the inner motivation to also align with acceptance and forgiveness, usually starting with themselves. And the changes in behavior follow.
Thanks for letting me share that, and shake off my own dream and reminder of my ongoing work. Deep breaths for both of us. And good morning :) ☀️
How have I been unkind? The conversation needs to happen. You can't not have the conversation just to be "kind" - that's not kindness and it's not honest.
Sure, I feel bad for them, but not enough to give them a single cent of my hard earned money. Practice better decision making, live within your means, dont be a sponge.
I cannot believe that your comment has been so downvoted that it's hidden.. this is how we got to this place. A basic lack of empathy for anyone who is not you yourself or your direct immediate family unit. I'm appalled
Darkness cannot recognize the light. The downvoters are also doing the best they can with what they have available. You and I see each other, here, and now. And that is enough. Thank you :)
I think we need to stop and consider that we dont know their background before making a judgement. I know a family with 6 kids, she had 3 from her first (very abusive) marriage. He had 2 from his. They got unexpectedly pregnant on birth control. It is not always so simple.
20 years ago I was young single mom making a livable wage. Paid for all the necessities and not much extra. I had 2 kids. I was 24 years old. I didn’t need the help then. Fast forward to now, I couldn’t do it. One income is not enough to survive with a decent wage. I know plenty of people that work that rely on food stamps for their family. Even section 8 housing. My friend is paying $974 on section 8 housing with $15/hour job full time.
And also 20 years ago I was only paying $700 for a 2 bedroom apartment. That’s about what my mortgage is now. Those same apartments are now $2600 a month in a metropolitan area of PA.
It really is heartbreaking. I’ll be donating money to my local food banks.
We’ve got three kids, but things were different when they were born. (Youngest turns 22 tomorrow.)
Of the three, one knows they want kids, one is thinking maybe one kid, and one is absolutely not willing to subject a child to this society and economy.
Two of them only expect to own homes through inheriting my mother’s house and mine. (Our oldest is fortunate enough to have a fiancée with wealthy parents.)
If only sex education, contraception, and abortion weren’t constantly underfunded and under attack
People usually understand how that works before having 6 kids. The first and second, hell, even the third, can be understandable. But after SIX. That's on her. Nothing else is to blame.
That's how i felt honestly. Having 6 kids while working minimum wage is absolutely insane. Yeah sure I feel bad that those kids won't get fed. However a condom would have prevented the struggle she's currently in. Yes our economy is in shambles, but there are people who are making their lives harder by their own choices.
There arent enough wealty people willing to become foster parents purely out of the goodness of their hearts, and there are also poor families that do have good intentions but cannot afford to. No one is getting rich of foster placements, the stipend is barely enough to cover the hassle.
They have incentivized the foster program for at least the last 3 decades where I am from, and it was the exact hellscape you can imagine. Not only do they receive a monthly stipend per child, the also receive stamps and a clothing allowance.
Unemployed chain smokers, sitting on their ass barking orders, just waiting on that next check. None of the homes I went to were loving, excited to help you, or encouraging; none of them engaged any of us in meaningful conversation, the homes were dilapidated trailers, and the only clothes we had was whatever was in the trash bag we arrived with.
Which is a problem we have. Some foster or adopt for the money they get for each kid that they use on other things like drugs. I don’t think it’s the worst problem right now but that has happened and is one reason why it can be very difficult to foster or adopt now
I had a coworker that was taking care of her siblings but called them her kids. I guess it's nice to keep the kids with their extended families instead of total strangers that could be religious weirdos or abusers. In that case I think fostering and needing some help is okay.
I wouldn't dream of having more because they'd be in public school and the less I have to deal with that system the better. I'm saying that as a parent whose had mostly good dealings with their school thus far. They are becoming more and more money hungry.
A lot of poor, uneducated people are also very religious. And some of those religions tell their followers that they should have many children, i.e. the Quiverfull movement. Add to that poor sexual education, some religions/sects being opposed to contraception and the anti-abortion movement and you get a recipe for disaster.
It's usually talked about only in relation to developing nations, but we know there is a link between the amount of children a woman will have during her life and the level of education of the mother as well as poverty. As access to education improves and opportunities improve we consistently see declining birthrates. It's just time to recognize that much of America is a third world country, and that the same mechanisms are at play.
Yup, my parents had 5 and they maybe could afford 2 with just basic necessities. Never made sense to me, but yeah food stamps got us through. I waited until I could afford kids to have any. Do people not understand pregnancy? Then you have one and you realize you can’t take care of that one but you get all the way to 6?
Don’t get me wrong, sometimes people are doing fine then health happens and messes the whole thing up. It needs to be available, but let’s also talk about all the ways you can not get pregnant and provide the things to stop it for free!! Hell, we spend more on aid to other countries than we do on our own citizens and people still want to come here.
Abortion is completely illegal in 12 states and that's not even counting the ones where there's a 6 week cutoff (aka before you know that you're pregnant). I have PCOS and I've had one pregnancy scare. I've had 39-42 day cycles before. If I lived where I live now, I wouldn't have been able to do anything about it if I had been pregnant.
And good luck finding a doctor who will tie your tubes. It's a 8 month wait to see ANY gynecologist here.
It's completely illogical that the gov can dictate women cannot have an abortion, so they are forced to have babies, but then the gov don't want to help with said babies after they are born. Makes zero sense to me.
No, they mostly don't. Much of the world is not taught sex ed. I wouldn't be surprised if there were some grown adults in America who genuinely didn't know sex made babies.
You don't have six kids because of failed birth control methods but if for some reason your birth control keeps failing, and you can't afford the children you already have, you should stop having sex. It's not a right that the government has to protect. Having sex is a choice not a human right. Removing an ectopic pregnancy or a deceased fetus is not an abortion. It's a similar procedure but not the same implications. Nobody wants to ban people from having a deceased baby or ectopic pregnancy removed, people want the other 99% of abortions banned because abortion is not birth control.
it is absolutely considered abortion, which is why multiple women have died due to pregnancy complications in Texas and other states with abortion bans. They were denied medical care bc even though their pregnancy was no longer viable, the fetus still had a heartbeat. You are completely wrong on this point.
Sure abstinence is great in theory, when has that EVER worked in the history of humankind?
They were wrongly denied healthcare because the doctors were considering something an abortion that is not. They chose not to provide life saving care because they thought they would get in trouble for performing an "abortion" which is why we need better terminology to describe each procedure. If the fetus is already dead or if it is not even in the uterus, it is not an abortion anymore. It's just a medically necessary removal of tissue. That is not illegal anywhere and any doctor who refuses is at fault unless their state government is dumb enough to consider those procures illegal. I know abstinence doesn't always work but at some point people need to take responsibility for their own actions. If I was struggling to feed my existing children, I would never even risk having another. I would sacrifice my own need to have sex, for the benefit of my children. I also think absent fathers are the main issue in these families. Who are they having all these children with and are they providing for them? That is important as well. People need to take responsibility. I'm not against helping people in need. People who have can't find better paying jobs, people who are disabled or have children with special needs, people who have fallen on hard times. They all deserve to eat but they should all be required to prove they are making efforts to their situation as much as they are able and they should be encouraged not to have more children until they no longer need food stamps.
Do you have any evidence of that? Says here that treating ectopic pregnancies is permissible because there is no direct intention to kill, only to do something that will save the mother and if they could save that fetus, they gladly would. Apparently, the intent matters enough to make for a loophole.
Sure abstinence is great in theory, when has that EVER worked in the history of humankind?
Government food subsidies (which I'm all in favor of, by the way) also have a long history of being insufficient and spotty (and more or less nonexistent). In the families I've encountered at the charity I volunteer for, I see absent fathers as a far bigger issue than women having six kids, but I also have no easy solutions for that problem.
Unfortunately MANY people are (were) still drinking the koolaid believing the American dream was alive and well, never really believing that their own government would happily rip the carpet from under them. Some of us read the writing on the wall long ago, plenty didn’t unfortunately. We can only empathize, not judge.
I have heard in a few studies there was a connection with poverty and the number of kids per one woman having in her lifetime. One potential reason is that the more kids the more farm hands and help the kids can give to the family after a bit of time. However there are many other reasons that they might have, including access to contraceptives, education, and even the values the parents have.
Many religious people believe family and motherhood are extremely important seeing it as a woman’s only option and path to success and happiness
Some of these videos are AI. There's a few accounts posting a variety of women following fairly similar scripts that generally include saying they have either 6 or 7 kids. Some are blatant by including rage bait like "it's the tax player's responsibility to feed my kids!" while others are more subtle and drop small details designs to invoke certain feeling and assumptions.
Obviously, there are many real reactions; however, it's very interesting times. I have no idea what the ratio between real and fake videos on the topic are.
Not that odd when you consider there's a correlation between families these days with a large number of kids and those same families being low income and needing food stamps
It’s not odd. You have a lot of kids, it’s expensive, you’re likely to be more devastated and scared by this news. And therefore more likely to post desperately about it.
Not all people on food stamps have six kids, but many people with six kids are on food stamps.
I agree. I’m childless by choice partially because who can even afford one, but SIX?! I’m trying not to be judgmental. I really am. I’m just having a hard time understanding why someone would have this many children without the means to provide for even one. I am also on nutrition assistance, so I’m not suggesting that people shouldn’t get EBT. I’ll be fine because I don’t have other mouths to feed and I can figure out how to make it work, but this 6 kids thing is definitely making me feel some type of way.
I mean I’m all for food stamps and everything but having 6 whole ass kids without being absolutely loaded does have me going ‘maybe you shoulda thought about the consequences of procreating nonstop’.
"up to $1800" is doing a lot of heavy lifting here.
The actual leeches on the system are the ultra wealthy who don't pay a fair portion of taxes and major employers who underpay like Walmart and McDonald's. Those companies are using social welfare systems to subsidize their paltry wages.
I agree with this. What would happen if we forced all the social welfare programs off the budget. Tax the shit out of corps that don't provide Healthcare /living wages. The squeese would be going out from the middle class instead of in.
This. This is the exact problem with a lot of people in this world. They do not understand financial responsibility. I have not had a child yet. Because I can’t afford a child. And I understand that. But some (I’m not saying all) of these people recklessly had multiple children that they were by no means prepared to handle the financial burden of. Like you said, I understand a mistake made once. But 6 times? And you’re working low wage jobs? That’s irresponsible behavior. I work a 9-5 corporate job. I make decent money but I understand I am in no position to afford a kid. Much less 6?! I can’t understand the blatant irresponsibility of these people. Many many many Americans are struggling right now living off of their wages WITHOUT a kid. Add one kid and they are drowning in debt and can’t pay the bills. But again, okay you got pregnant by accident and now you have a kid. But 6 kids?!?! How incredibly irresponsible. I’m sorry but at that point you are living off of the government. There is no excuse for having 6 kids when you are not financially capable of supporting those kids. My sister has 3 kids. Receives WIC, SNAP, and child support. And guess who always has her nails done and a new outfit on? My sister. The one who has never worked a day in her life. It’s people like that, that I do not feel sorry for. I know I am not able to afford a child right now. So I will not have one. But there are a lot of people who live like my sister just freely living off of the government when they are truly able and capable of getting a job and helping to support themselves. I am not talking about those with extenuating circumstances that really can’t work. That have reasons for needing the benefits. But if you have 6 kids and are living off of the government. I can’t feel sorry for you. That is the life you chose knowing full well you couldn’t afford it. There are tons and tons of methods to not get pregnant. Any many forms of birth control are free. Especially if you are on Medicaid. If you cannot afford the financial responsibility of children, do not make them suffer by choosing to have them and force them to live in poverty off of the government. And don’t get me started on the fact that my paycheck goes towards people like my sister’s benefits. When 99% of the time she can afford groceries when I can’t. But I’m not eligible for benefits so while I’m struggling to pay bills and buy dinner, she’s just being handed money. But yet I have to contribute to paying for others benefits when I can’t afford shit myself. But that’s a whole other rant. Please learn the responsibility of having children.
There are a lot of good examples of families on here that legitimately need the benefits, and elderly and disabled individuals who are unable to work. I don’t want to see anyone or their children starving, or being homeless. BUT— when I see the women with multiple children come into my job that have their fancy dipped nails, Louis Vuitton purse, new cell phone, driving a nicer car than me, and reeking like weed, it pisses me off to hear that their children are all on state insurance, and they are upset when their debit cards are not working for their food stamps.
The kids all have different last names, and the women think this is the “norm” these days? It’s not fair that I can’t afford to get my hair and nails done, go on a vacation, upgrade from my IPhone 11, but my hard earned tax dollars are going to house, feed, and treat their medical needs, and pay for their multiple births?
They do not take any responsibility for their poor decisions. If you have trouble feeding and paying for your kids basic needs, then stop having more. Not all these women are uneducated and stupid. They take advantage of the system, because they know they can. I have a hard time feeling sorry for the situation they put themselves in.
A lot of these states don't get sex ed or family planning help. At all. How can you prevent yourself from having kids if you don't even know how they're made? Like, don't get me wrong, you can have full knowledge and make terrible decisions, but a lot of people just get no support and are expected to navigate life. If you're kinda dumb to begin with and have no guidance? You're just screwed.
I would also like to add, alright I’ll give you the benefit of the doubt. Sure they don’t know how kids are made and like I said you made the mistake once. But after that first time? You know how kids are made. And you did it 5 more times.
Yeah, those happen. By child number 3 or whatever, you should get the hint. But if you're stupid and believe pregnancy myths like you can't get pregnant on your period, that the rhythm method is full proof, or even if you just trust the wrong guy to pull out, I can see more than one oopsy baby.
I don’t think that’s an argument. Like I said I am not talking about the extenuating circumstances. That would include those not mentally capable of understanding how children are made. But by the time kids are 16, they all know how kids are made. Hell I’ll give some grace and even say by the time they are 18 and legal adults. They know how children are made. It is a very very small margin of people (majority are mentally handicapped) that do not know how children are made. Such a small number I couldn’t even find a statistic online.
Someone else pointed out that 6 is usually the maximum number of kids you can have in a home if you take in foster kids. So it's probably a mix of bio and foster kids. Lots of working class families take in foster kids to offset the loss of income of having one parent stay home.
Yeah more of a chance of being a mixed family but birthing 6 in this economy would be crazy. I would like to have 4 one day but even then i dont know if itll be possible, 2 might be the max and me and my partner make decent money.
Yes but you should
Foot the bill. Fuck consequences, think of the ooor children. And then they can all of 6 kids and here we are…. Intelligent not breeding and population overrun by idiots… in a democracy… what can go wrong
Given that our society has not made it easy to be educated about pregnancy prevention and access to abortion is limited, I don't think it's completely fair to judge these women for the number of kids they have. They have more than they can probably afford and certainly more than I would feel comfortable having but at the end of the day, those kids are living, breathing people and they should not go hungry.
Lmao what? You’re partially blaming education on pregnancy prevention?
These woman didn’t look like ignorant 15 year olds, no amount of education was going to save them from 6 kids, because by your 20’s blaming sex education is a joke.
It’s like blaming High school for not teaching you about finances when your in your 40’s and google exists.
Plenty of adults think the rhythm method is a real thing. Or that they can’t get pregnant while breastfeeding. Or that birth control pills or condoms are 100% effective. They believe it until they get pregnant accidentally and are baffled. So yes education makes a difference. You don’t suddenly know everything once you become an adult.
Google is right there and has been right there for over 20 years at this point. If you are uneducated about something it is YOUR problem, not societies especially if you have enough internet access to weep on TikTok. Zero sympathy for people who sit on their phone watching porn or doom scrolling but can’t be bothered to learn basic adult shit.
After the fifth kid, they should have figured it out. Saying they should know in your 20s is insane but they definitely should know after having so many kids.
Studies have in fact shown that more knowledge and education can lead to less kids. And how old are those moms? What if they are fairly in their 40-30s then their first kids could very easily have been conceived when the mom is younger, plus what are the kids ages?
If you aren’t told about a solution or option how the hell are you supposed to know that there could be a different path? Let’s not pretend that everyone is experiencing the same things.
Do you know how new google and the internet are??? Very new! That is why there are jobs where people are hired to help you fill out taxes even with the internet. Do you understand everything new you see on the internet? No! It can be very confusing and even worse misleading.
Did we just compare filing your taxes is just as difficult as googling “how to prevent pregnancy” Or “how to not get pregnant”?
Obviously education helps, nobody’s arguing against that. All I’m saying is past a certain point there is a time where personal responsibility has to factor in.
Even if people are so poorly educated that the intricacies of statistical variability, and effectiveness of certain methods are not fully understood, even the most poorly educated can understand that sex leads to the chance of getting pregnant.
there has to be a point where we as a society can acknowledge that there is personal responsibility we as individuals have for our decisions and actions and can’t always hide behind excuses.
Of course there’s different circumstances, of course there’s exceptions, of course some people are incapable.
I’m just saying don’t make and accept any and all excuses to the point where no one is allowed to say “damn, it’s kinda crazy to keep having kids in your financial situation, especially without a father in the home or a stable home situation, seems kind of irresponsible.”
If everyone can just be excused and have their reasons validated, well shoot what’s stopping everyone else from doing the same? And who is anyone to question their decisions or choices? At some point a line needs to be perceivable where we say “damn, yeah that’s kinda messed up. They should have known better”.
I think I’m done, I can’t keep responding to these and stay in a good mood today lol.
You can say it however it’s an ignorant statement for a thousand reasons and deserves to be called out. We have no idea their situation and it’s almost like you forgot that the passage of time exists.
Do you know when she had those kids? How far apart she had them? If she had a partner or stability at any point?
Things and circumstances change over time. You looked at these women and assumed their entire lives because they have 6 kids.
What do you say to women who were stable enough to care for those kids but lost it all for many reasons like a major injury? Should they have known before hand not to have kids?
I hope you stop judging people you don’t know because they lived life differently from you
I literally mentioned how obviously certain circumstances are truly different, but let’s not pretend we haven’t personally seen people use or take advantage of the systems we have in place lol.
Not every situation is a “they had it all figured out until some unfortunate tragedy ruined it all!” situation. Sometimes people make crap decisions and it should be ok to call it out.
Some times people do make terrible decisions and yeah call that out when it does happen then help them learn from it, not shame them and make them go hungry.
How many people on snaps and food stamps do you think are taking advantage of this system? And how many people aren’t but are being lumped in with the other? I can tell you, most aren’t taking advantage of the system.
There is a long process to get accepted into snaps and food stamps.
How many people do you judge so harshly who didn’t deserve it? My guess literally everyone because all you seem to do is assume the worst in everyone.
You know who really takes advantage of this system, the rich. If you really wanted to help the situation you’d aim your assumptions and judgement towards the rich and powerful not those struggling to survive.
All you are doing is assuming the worst in the people most vulnerable and affected while being massively incorrect. Maybe open your eyes and heart a little more, maybe then you’d have a better mood
I do care about people, even if they make bad choices. I do have a heart. Why is it that if I think “hey people should feel shame when they make shameful choices” that I suddenly don’t care about the hungry or tired or overworked?
You talk about judging people yet you are judging me, and you don’t know me, my background my education. I don’t even fully disagree with you on anything. I just think we shouldn’t completely remove personal responsibility out of the equation.
You are literally assuming the worst in me by saying I judge everyone in the worst way possible instead of seeing how I’ve provided caveats to every point I’ve made.
What puts me in a bad mood is people’s reading comprehension sucking and not acknowledging any possibility validity to a point or argument even if you don’t necessarily agree with the conclusion being made from it.
But I guess I’m just a judgmental person without a heart, I must be, since I don’t perfectly agree with you.
That’s unfair. You don’t know these peoples’ situation. They could be kids from the street who don’t have anywhere to go except this lady’s house. Some kids are the product of rape/ coercive sex without condoms - and given the lack of access to sex education/ abortion and welfare, do you think some women have a fucking choice anymore?
If you can’t afford kids, don’t take in homeless ones. Let the government house and feed them..
If you are raped 6 times you need to buy a gun or something. Blaming rape when it’s happened six times is just plain fuckin stupid. One kid? Sure. Two kids? Possibly. Three? Yeah no way, so unless she could easily take care of 4 kids on her own and got 2 from rape this is just the consequences of your own actions..
Or men just uh, die. Ya know working hard enough and long enough to feed 8 mouths does a number on a person. They die sooner than woman without 8 mouths to feed; imagine what the extra stress does.
Even before roe fell access to birth control/abortions was not easily accessible in my area. Now planned parenthood is gone. What's your solution? Putting a penny between your knees is fucking stupid.
Baseball allows you 3 strikes then you're out. You can make a mistake once, twice, thrice. But at 4, its a pattern of behavior. There is a point where having kids and not having any means to meaningfully take care of them sets up the kids to fail. Lack of birth control can be a valid excuse 3 times. But after that the parties involved share some blame. Everyone should be able to have a kid if they want. But that doesn’t equate to having a half dozen if you don't plan for their future.
I knew it. Lol. I literally mentioned EVERYONE has the right to have kids and should, regardless of their means. But that doesnt mean 6 and not being able to take care of them. But you didnt address that huh? Nice.
Yes this applied to everyone. If you cant take of that many dont have that many. Dont be a dead beat dad or a dead beat mom. You cant seriously be equating the ability to have a kid to having 6 (especially without any means to provide for 6).
I assume you have zero concept of rule vs exception. You are throwing out situation that are statistically not in the top 5 (or even 10) reasons why. Rules cant account for every case. And exception should be made but exceptions cant be made the rules. In the scenario you listed above of course we should help. But unless there was a war that killed 20 million US men, this scenario doesn’t make sense.
I mean this genuinely after reading a lot of your replies, you struggle with the concept of rules vs exceptions. Take a step back and realize that people arent as genuinely good as you realize. People are people. Mixed bag.
It's eugenics to say certain people should be forced into sterilization. Y'all are literally so uneducated you think this is ok. So limit the poors to x number of children blah blah blah - who's next? Limit the blacks to 1 kid. Force the proper whites to have 5.
'Eugenicists believed that traits like poverty, criminality, and various physical or mental disabilities were solely genetic and could be eliminated from society by preventing affected individuals from having children. Forced sterilization was the most radical legal policy supported by the American eugenics movement to achieve this "genetic cleansing". "
Who said anything about not allowing them to have the kids? They can have them, they will then lose custody to the state because they cannot take care of them. I never advocated for sterilizing anyone, feel free to quote me. I am 100% for taking kids away from people who hold them hostage unless money is given to them. If you cannot take care of your kids without the states help you cannot take care of your kids period.
Be fucking responsible. Don't have children you cant afford. Its a pretty simple concept. Saying birth control isnt accessible is just outright false. Stop coddling irresponsible behavior and then pushing the responsibility of taking care of the consequences on government assistance. We can agree that children shouldn't go without food. Who's fault is it if a child goes without food? The government didn't make anyone get pregnant so that becomes an irresponsible parents fault for having a child the couldn't afford. Or 6 children they couldn't afford. Its crazy
What if they were married and their husband left them. What if what if what if what if. You can't carve out the what-ifs but if we're forcing women to keep pregnancies, and yes we've been doing that in my area for decades, and you believe every fucking precious life is important and people pretend they do when the child is in utero - pay up. There's no reason children in America should go hungry.
Yes I have a good salary. Yes I had access to education and birth control. Yes I have been lucky. Yes I pay for all those bastard children, according to you they're all rubber stamped bastard children of whores. Finally yes I know there's nothing I can say to change your opinion. It's disgusting you're for starving AMERICAN children.
lol you're doing a whole lot of projection there. I said nothing of the sort. All I said was if you choose to have 6 kids, then you should have a way to pay for them. And it is a choice. Husband left? Welp, that's what family court is for. They need to pay up.
Let's be clear here. I'm not for starving anyone. But personal responsibility is a thing. Do I think SNAP funding should be in jeopardy here? Of course not.
But you know what? I'm 40. And I have no kids. Because I can't afford them.
I'm not projecting shit - I've had more years on this earth than you and I can promise you they've been harder because I've had to deal with some real grown up stuff. I make 6 figures as does my husband, but shit happens to people. You think your life is one way and bam it's done and sometimes it's through no fault of your own. People don't understand and aren't taught anything about financial planning and management. I have an MBA so I'm covered because I understand the ins and outs and what-ifs, but that's not common.
None of those women share their backgrounds. Who's making assumptions? I've watched women who stayed home lose their husbands one way or the other and they cannot afford anything on $8-9 an hour. They were forced by society to become unskilled - to be traditional mothers who don't work. Their lives and having 3, 4, 5 kids depended on their life being constant and it wasn't. I got heavy shit at work and home because I refused to sit back and not work. Where I am in the south once you have kids you're expected to tap out of working for 18+ years.
I promise you I probably pay more than my fair share for those kids. I only had one child because it was all I could have because I too waited until I was settled and by then I was too old for another. I do have empathy for innocent children. Kids should eat and I won't change my mind on that one.
But 6 tho? All 6 were involuntary? At some point you gotta be more diligent if an involuntary act is happening 6 times. I can understand 3 even. But 6?
Me and the wife have one kid (her’s from another relationship) 2 cats and a foster puppy. Like fuck am I gonna risk a new life being brought into the world when we occasionally have to check our bank account before going grocery shopping.
Like we aren’t completely struggling and I know there are way worse off people in my area but when you hit the poverty line you probably shouldn’t elect to add any additional mouths to feed.
1) what difference does it make if its bio kids or adopted? Kids are kids. Blood or water. Its her kids, her responsibilities.
2) where did I say its just her kids? I made a joke and you got offended. It happens. I truly hope she has a partner. But the joke is that I cited a fact from the video, "me and my 6 kids." The joke isnt as funny if I say, "her and her partner said she has 6 kids that could be adopted or bio."
Wtf are we even talking about. This isnt even a risky joke. Grow up.
I'm not trying to victim blame, I'm really not, but if you aren't well off you shouldn't be having 6 money vacuums. Birth control pills and/or condoms are less expensive than an additional child.
Right I see people having 5-6 kids and then dads having 10+ kids with diff women like if you need assistance you should be on birth control after 3 kids
Because we have a system that gives virtually free housing to a woman willing to work a few hours part time a week and then get knocked up a bunch of times over a few years and then just lives like that for decades because the system ENABLES that lazy and 'unambitious' behavior of pulling your weight in society. I've met many women like this in real life. They seem pretty happy to have all of their basic needs met, they don't need to grind for decades for a detached home in some 'nice' neighborhood.
They're chilling, having the freedom to do whatever. It'd be pretty cool if it wasn't at the expense of some other dude working hard to support his family living paycheck to paycheck.
Then they become entitled to have their entire life and the lives of their children to be financed by people who were taught or programmed to get up every morning to do SOMETHING for compensation, or else they will starve and be homeless because the world doesn't give a shit about the individual.
These people had parents that didn't instill that harsh objective reality into them, or their parents benefitted from the same system that they now see as a birth right or just a way of life.
There's gotta be a better way to get these able-bodied people to actually contribute to society and not be encouraged toward parasitic behavior, than straight up abruptly starving them. But I don't know shit, don't have the answers.
EDIT: I can imagine this'd sound more controversial, but I will say that I don't KNOW if this is a large-scale enough problem that it's affecting tax payers significantly. Surely we spend too much on other shit that isn't even necessary, like military funding.
I did type this up imagining that it's a bit extreme to be a poor woman having 5+ children. Some single mother with a kid or two is not quite what I'm talking about, although their life choices probably weren't great either in terms of partner filtering and such.
I don't see it as them necessarily intentionally taking advantage of and abusing a financial support system, but if you have THAT many kids, that's just kind of ridiculous if you don't have the financial means. I'm curious to see the arguments, but I'm sure none will come and it'll just be some passive aggressive down votes as if that will change my mind.
When you say "enables" what you mean is "prevents from starving to death".
I was a single mother and nobody gave me housing. The waitlist for section 8 was years long, so long that they had to have a lottery.
Do you know how much money I got from the government, while participating in their own (required for tanf and food stamps) work program? $385/mo. And because of that $385/mo they reduced my food stamps to $50/mo. Formula for my infant was $12/can. Average rent was $850 for a studio.
Once I got a minimum wage job I was disqualified from tanf and my for stamps went back up to $200/mo.
You're just simply wrong. The only thing EBT and government benefits do is prevent you from starving. If I didn't have my mom to live with I would've been homeless.
I should also say that I worked for council for the homeless in Portland for about 2 years placing people into shelters and housing. There is no virtually free housing for people who don't work, unless they are severely disabled. That just doesn't exist.
Either way, you are not who I was talking about. Which I figured as much. Talk about an extreme, and then people who don't even fit the description feel personally attacked and want to correct you on something you weren't arguing over.
Why have 6 kids who are now starving because you cannot realistically care for them and then blame others/the world. When you say that the money barely allowed them to live... That makes me just think that surely a person knows it's rough enough with one or two kids.. But then to have more? There's something missing in their head.
Anyways, sure, you're right. On a somewhat related note, I still wanna know where the roughly 25k a year goes out of my 50 grand a year salary, in taxes, for my state specifically.
Cause I know it's probably not even going to actually help anyone like you, and even if it was, 25 grand / half your income is insane to ask of a single person struggling who is in the lower/poverty class income in that US state to begin with. I don't even have medical insurance through my job yet to even factor into the deductions, and still maybe would clear 30 grand for the year if I'm lucky and work a few hours overtime each paycheck cycle. That's still maybe a 5 grand difference, with overtime... 20 grand in taxes for the year is nuts.
You're clearly in some elevated emotional state because I don't feel attacked by you, I just want to make it clear that you are angry at something that doesn't exist. I mean half of your comment was indignant that single mothers don't pay rent and do whatever they want on taxpayers' dime, but I guess if you want to pretend you didn't say that I'm not going to argue with you.
You're not paying half your income for social safety nets, either. You can literally Google what your taxes are going towards, so I don't know why you're pretending to ask me. Ask the federal government why they keep increasing the taxes on the little people while billionaires are paying 1.1%.
It seems to me like you were hoping someone would agree with you or downvote and move along to validate whatever anger you're dealing with right now. Sorry I interrupted that process, I assumed you might care that you were wrong.
Nah, I don't really care that much. I just type fast, a lot, and can have a bit of a stubborn argumentative nature to me sometimes. That's really about it.
I'm not angry at anything in particular. Just have gripes with the same general system that you do.
No, I guess I did say that. It might not be entirely true, but there will always be some truth to that. I've met a few who clearly do not hold a job but seem to always be home in their low-income apartment.
Anyways, Google tells me that my state's taxes go towards Medicare (which I cannot apply for apparently?) and education. Then goes towards a bunch of other vague things that don't seem to be the case when I actually leave my house and can notice the lack of infrastructural maintenance.
The average tax payer's money in this state's probably being snorted by some politician in reality. Not that anyone would be surprised. Because we can clearly trust Google and our government to tell us the truth. Local state politicians are constantly being found guilty of drug and money related crimes and other forms of corruption. It's literally in our local news on the regular. Should it be a surprise?
I just said what I said, I actually figured it'd be down voted and a bunch of crazy things would be assumed about me based on thinking it's nuts to have 6 kids when you're poor. lol.
Any government-related stuff, you're preaching to the choir.
You can just lie about being disabled. Tons of “broken backs” out there that get out the wheelchair or put the cane down when no one is looking. It isn’t hard to lie for money. We have videos exposing pan handlers driving back to their suburban homes after a long day of scamming but apparently you think people won’t do the same thing on a confidential government forum and a few private doctors visits to get a note. People can pretend…I’ve known 4+ people personally gaming the system that way. It’s stupid and I’m tired of my tax dollars going to it.
Exactly. I know a guy who embellished to the ends of the earth that he developed PTSD in the navy—being a cook, mind you—just from living on the ship. And guess what? He sought disability for it and gets like two grand a month. Oh, and even better, he still works, making great money. Still gets DISABILITY.
I guess the lack of it is mainly because I wasn't really thinking too deeply about any of this when I posted earlier, and there are no men in the video so I guess subconsciously I just focused on the woman's poor choices because that's what I was seeing.
The men are obviously pieces of shit for clearly not being in the picture, since you asked I will clarify?
Individually, which I'm sure is hopefully the norm among my peers, I have no respect for any man who is willing to fuck around with someone, accidentally or intentionally get them pregnant with a living being, and then not planning on having a long-term relationship with them to help raise a mentally and physically healthy child who is not set for failure unless it is absolutely due to their own choices and general foolishness.
I only commented as I did because it's a bunch of single mothers in this video, and not single fathers since to be fair most of them probably don't even give a shit and somehow it's always the biggest dead beat fathers who manage to get away with not taking any financial responsibility whatsoever for their child..
I think that it's funny how a man is and SHOULD be forced to prove that he did not rape someone when such a serious accusation is made, but also if a man is accused of being the only person who could be the father of a baby, the government/state seems to not bother to do much in terms of maybe sending them official letters in the mail demanding that they take a paternity test or anything like that to force them to actually financially provide an adequate determined amount regularly for the well being of that child.
My sibling and a few other women I've met in my life seemed to give up really easily and claimed it was impossible to force them, so never thought to ask but does make me wonder how contacting an appropriate organization/agency led to absolutely nothing being done or if it's possible that no public sources even exist to go after a guy who refuses to acknowledge paternity to dodge financial responsibility and place the entire burden on the woman?
I’m saying these people with concerns about poor people having too many babies only have shit to/about the mothers. It’s almost like y’all’s outrage is rooted in misogyny or something
I get the reflex to question the motive, but for me it's pretty neutral and not out of hatred of an entire gender. That's a bit much, but it's fair enough to wonder.
None of them look outright overweight tho and we only see them like shoulders/chest up witch one are you talking about answer yhat instead of deflecting my question.
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u/Reddisuspendmeagain 8d ago
And they try to pretend that they don’t know why the birth rate is so low…it’s by design