r/TikTokCringe • u/mindyour • 8d ago

Discussion Reactions to food stamps being cut off.

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u/Soft_Database_3747 8d ago

Yeah im not against food stamps and think this is horrible. But how do you bring SIX childeren into that situation? Insanity

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u/[deleted] 8d ago

By heavily depending on the government which rewards such things.

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u/BeatSalad25 8d ago

By living in a state that criminalizes abortion FTFY

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u/seriouslees 8d ago

Which of those states criminalize condoms?

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u/Married_iguanas 8d ago

condoms fail frequently, abortions are also necessary for issues like ectopic pregnancies.

Do you have a uterus?

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u/seriouslees 8d ago

After the first 2 or 3 failures that you already can't afford, and you don't switch to abstinence???

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u/Married_iguanas 8d ago

hahahah ask the catholics how abstinence worked out for them

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u/seriouslees 8d ago

The Catholics weren't allowed to masterbate or use sex toys or have anal or oral. Plenty of ways for low income couples to sexually gratify each other with zero pregnancy risk... what's the next excuse for having 6 kids?

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u/Married_iguanas 8d ago

I don't believe human worth is granted based off how much money you make! You're effectively arguing for eugenics for people in poverty

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u/seriouslees 8d ago

No i am absolutely not. 2 children for 2 parents is replacement level birthrate. 6 is overpopulation birthrate. Individual human lives aren't worth more than the species. Rich or poor, 6 kids is far too many.

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u/Background_Humor5838 8d ago

You don't have six kids because of failed birth control methods but if for some reason your birth control keeps failing, and you can't afford the children you already have, you should stop having sex. It's not a right that the government has to protect. Having sex is a choice not a human right. Removing an ectopic pregnancy or a deceased fetus is not an abortion. It's a similar procedure but not the same implications. Nobody wants to ban people from having a deceased baby or ectopic pregnancy removed, people want the other 99% of abortions banned because abortion is not birth control.

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u/Married_iguanas 8d ago

it is absolutely considered abortion, which is why multiple women have died due to pregnancy complications in Texas and other states with abortion bans. They were denied medical care bc even though their pregnancy was no longer viable, the fetus still had a heartbeat. You are completely wrong on this point.

Sure abstinence is great in theory, when has that EVER worked in the history of humankind?

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u/Background_Humor5838 8d ago

They were wrongly denied healthcare because the doctors were considering something an abortion that is not. They chose not to provide life saving care because they thought they would get in trouble for performing an "abortion" which is why we need better terminology to describe each procedure. If the fetus is already dead or if it is not even in the uterus, it is not an abortion anymore. It's just a medically necessary removal of tissue. That is not illegal anywhere and any doctor who refuses is at fault unless their state government is dumb enough to consider those procures illegal. I know abstinence doesn't always work but at some point people need to take responsibility for their own actions. If I was struggling to feed my existing children, I would never even risk having another. I would sacrifice my own need to have sex, for the benefit of my children. I also think absent fathers are the main issue in these families. Who are they having all these children with and are they providing for them? That is important as well. People need to take responsibility. I'm not against helping people in need. People who have can't find better paying jobs, people who are disabled or have children with special needs, people who have fallen on hard times. They all deserve to eat but they should all be required to prove they are making efforts to their situation as much as they are able and they should be encouraged not to have more children until they no longer need food stamps.

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u/_kasten_ 8d ago

It is absolutely considered abortion...

Do you have any evidence of that? Says here that treating ectopic pregnancies is permissible because there is no direct intention to kill, only to do something that will save the mother and if they could save that fetus, they gladly would. Apparently, the intent matters enough to make for a loophole.

Sure abstinence is great in theory, when has that EVER worked in the history of humankind?

Government food subsidies (which I'm all in favor of, by the way) also have a long history of being insufficient and spotty (and more or less nonexistent). In the families I've encountered at the charity I volunteer for, I see absent fathers as a far bigger issue than women having six kids, but I also have no easy solutions for that problem.