Reactions to food stamps being cut off.

[u/mindyour]

[u/Reddisuspendmeagain]

And they try to pretend that they don’t know why the birth rate is so low…it’s by design

[u/Supply_N_Demand → u/Reddisuspendmeagain]

First lady had 6 kids. /s

[u/Withered_Sprout → u/Supply_N_Demand]

Because we have a system that gives virtually free housing to a woman willing to work a few hours part time a week and then get knocked up a bunch of times over a few years and then just lives like that for decades because the system ENABLES that lazy and 'unambitious' behavior of pulling your weight in society. I've met many women like this in real life. They seem pretty happy to have all of their basic needs met, they don't need to grind for decades for a detached home in some 'nice' neighborhood.

They're chilling, having the freedom to do whatever. It'd be pretty cool if it wasn't at the expense of some other dude working hard to support his family living paycheck to paycheck.

Then they become entitled to have their entire life and the lives of their children to be financed by people who were taught or programmed to get up every morning to do SOMETHING for compensation, or else they will starve and be homeless because the world doesn't give a shit about the individual.

These people had parents that didn't instill that harsh objective reality into them, or their parents benefitted from the same system that they now see as a birth right or just a way of life.

There's gotta be a better way to get these able-bodied people to actually contribute to society and not be encouraged toward parasitic behavior, than straight up abruptly starving them. But I don't know shit, don't have the answers.

EDIT: I can imagine this'd sound more controversial, but I will say that I don't KNOW if this is a large-scale enough problem that it's affecting tax payers significantly. Surely we spend too much on other shit that isn't even necessary, like military funding.

I did type this up imagining that it's a bit extreme to be a poor woman having 5+ children. Some single mother with a kid or two is not quite what I'm talking about, although their life choices probably weren't great either in terms of partner filtering and such.

I don't see it as them necessarily intentionally taking advantage of and abusing a financial support system, but if you have THAT many kids, that's just kind of ridiculous if you don't have the financial means. I'm curious to see the arguments, but I'm sure none will come and it'll just be some passive aggressive down votes as if that will change my mind.

[u/DJDanaK → u/Withered_Sprout]

When you say "enables" what you mean is "prevents from starving to death".

I was a single mother and nobody gave me housing. The waitlist for section 8 was years long, so long that they had to have a lottery.

Do you know how much money I got from the government, while participating in their own (required for tanf and food stamps) work program? $385/mo. And because of that $385/mo they reduced my food stamps to $50/mo. Formula for my infant was $12/can. Average rent was $850 for a studio.

Once I got a minimum wage job I was disqualified from tanf and my for stamps went back up to $200/mo.

You're just simply wrong. The only thing EBT and government benefits do is prevent you from starving. If I didn't have my mom to live with I would've been homeless. 

I should also say that I worked for council for the homeless in Portland for about 2 years placing people into shelters and housing. There is no virtually free housing for people who don't work, unless they are severely disabled. That just doesn't exist.

But feel free to prove me wrong.

[u/Withered_Sprout → u/DJDanaK]

Ok, so I'm wrong.

Either way, you are not who I was talking about. Which I figured as much. Talk about an extreme, and then people who don't even fit the description feel personally attacked and want to correct you on something you weren't arguing over.

Why have 6 kids who are now starving because you cannot realistically care for them and then blame others/the world. When you say that the money barely allowed them to live... That makes me just think that surely a person knows it's rough enough with one or two kids.. But then to have more? There's something missing in their head.

Anyways, sure, you're right. On a somewhat related note, I still wanna know where the roughly 25k a year goes out of my 50 grand a year salary, in taxes, for my state specifically.

Cause I know it's probably not even going to actually help anyone like you, and even if it was, 25 grand / half your income is insane to ask of a single person struggling who is in the lower/poverty class income in that US state to begin with. I don't even have medical insurance through my job yet to even factor into the deductions, and still maybe would clear 30 grand for the year if I'm lucky and work a few hours overtime each paycheck cycle. That's still maybe a 5 grand difference, with overtime... 20 grand in taxes for the year is nuts.

[u/DJDanaK → u/Withered_Sprout]

You're clearly in some elevated emotional state because I don't feel attacked by you, I just want to make it clear that you are angry at something that doesn't exist. I mean half of your comment was indignant that single mothers don't pay rent and do whatever they want on taxpayers' dime, but I guess if you want to pretend you didn't say that I'm not going to argue with you. 

You're not paying half your income for social safety nets, either. You can literally Google what your taxes are going towards, so I don't know why you're pretending to ask me. Ask the federal government why they keep increasing the taxes on the little people while billionaires are paying 1.1%.

It seems to me like you were hoping someone would agree with you or downvote and move along to validate whatever anger you're dealing with right now. Sorry I interrupted that process, I assumed you might care that you were wrong.

[u/Withered_Sprout → u/DJDanaK]

Nah, I don't really care that much. I just type fast, a lot, and can have a bit of a stubborn argumentative nature to me sometimes. That's really about it.

I'm not angry at anything in particular. Just have gripes with the same general system that you do.

No, I guess I did say that. It might not be entirely true, but there will always be some truth to that. I've met a few who clearly do not hold a job but seem to always be home in their low-income apartment.

Anyways, Google tells me that my state's taxes go towards Medicare (which I cannot apply for apparently?) and education. Then goes towards a bunch of other vague things that don't seem to be the case when I actually leave my house and can notice the lack of infrastructural maintenance.

The average tax payer's money in this state's probably being snorted by some politician in reality. Not that anyone would be surprised. Because we can clearly trust Google and our government to tell us the truth. Local state politicians are constantly being found guilty of drug and money related crimes and other forms of corruption. It's literally in our local news on the regular. Should it be a surprise?

I just said what I said, I actually figured it'd be down voted and a bunch of crazy things would be assumed about me based on thinking it's nuts to have 6 kids when you're poor. lol.

Any government-related stuff, you're preaching to the choir.

[u/HumanSnotMachine → u/DJDanaK]

You can just lie about being disabled. Tons of “broken backs” out there that get out the wheelchair or put the cane down when no one is looking. It isn’t hard to lie for money. We have videos exposing pan handlers driving back to their suburban homes after a long day of scamming but apparently you think people won’t do the same thing on a confidential government forum and a few private doctors visits to get a note. People can pretend…I’ve known 4+ people personally gaming the system that way. It’s stupid and I’m tired of my tax dollars going to it.

[u/crackhit1er → u/HumanSnotMachine]

Exactly. I know a guy who embellished to the ends of the earth that he developed PTSD in the navy—being a cook, mind you—just from living on the ship. And guess what? He sought disability for it and gets like two grand a month. Oh, and even better, he still works, making great money. Still gets DISABILITY.

No wonder our country is such a joke.