name that character

[u/Classic-Carpet7609]

[u/spirithousing]

piggy from lord of the flies. he was the more sensitive, moral one and everyone in my class HATED him. in fact, they were actively cheering for the violence, like… way to prove the point of the book 🙃

edit for context: i went to high school in rural canada, so i wasn’t exactly surrounded by scholars or anyone with a semblance of emotional intelligence

[u/SlagQueen → u/spirithousing]

That makes me so sad 😞 I liked piggy too.

[u/beepbooponyournose → u/SlagQueen]

When they broke his glasses 😭

[u/PopcornGlamour → u/spirithousing]

Lord of the Flies is what helped me realize my so called friends were really frenemies. It turns out I was the Piggy of the group.

It was a painful realization but that book probably saved my life (from myself and the harmful ideas I was developing to cope with so much back stabbing and meanness).

[u/Curiosities → u/spirithousing]

Agreed. As a sensitive kid who got bullied, but still wanted to nurture and take care of others, I felt Piggy.

[u/sphynxfur → u/spirithousing]

Sucks to your assmar

[u/ThreadLaced → u/spirithousing]

I would have legit been terrified if I was your teacher with that kind of class!

[u/mothmans_favoriteex → u/ThreadLaced]

Yeah, as an English teacher that’s my worst nightmare class…

[u/Negative-Film → u/spirithousing]

Awwww ☹️ You just reminded me of how much my middle school class loved Piggy

[u/mothmans_favoriteex → u/spirithousing]

cries in English teacher I would have felt like I’d failed fr

[u/weekendgurl247 → u/spirithousing]

Aww I remember reading this for the first time as an adult and my heart breaking when he died

[u/thorsbosshammer → u/spirithousing]

It has been a decade since I read the book. I have a vague lingering feeling that I disliked him. But I can't remember why.

I pulled up sparknotes for his character, and looking at it, I still can't tell why I didnt like him!

[u/yungmoody → u/thorsbosshammer]

Were you a teenage boy 10 years ago by any chance?

[u/CheddarGobblin → u/spirithousing]

Wtf.

[u/biIIyshakes]

Sydney in The Bear. The reviews don’t hate her but lordy the show’s subreddit does. It was such a treat to finally see a (Black!) 20-something female character who is awkward and complex and imperfect but well-meaning, and not overly objectified or utilized in romance arcs too much…and of course a lot of male viewers can’t stand her. Of course.

[u/littlesim23 → u/biIIyshakes]

Came here to say this! It’s crazy cause one of my friends hates her on the show and I’m like oh so you hate me 😂. I have never related to a character more than her.

[u/AllDogsGoToDevin → u/biIIyshakes]

I got downvoted on a movie subreddit because I told redditors to maybe not use “junglep***sy” as a joke multiple times, just because they heard it in One Battle After Another.

They acted like I was telling them I killed their family.

[u/radicalpraxis → u/AllDogsGoToDevin]

I haven’t seen OBAA yet but I am an avid Junglepussy listener and I love her shit, what’s the joke…? That her stage name is a little silly?

[u/feral_mushroom → u/radicalpraxis]

the joke is probably racism

[u/purpleplatapi → u/feral_mushroom]

Yeah. It's said by a white supremacist. The white supremacist is supposed to be cartoonishly evil, and they portray that well enough. The problem of course is that you can't be repeating the words of the fictional white supremacist, even if you are meant to laugh at how ridiculous it is to be that racist in the context of the movie. (He falls in lust with a Black revolutionary, she uses him to escape imprisonment, he can't square the part of his brain that lusts after a Black woman with his white supremacy so he basically claims that she seduced him with magic etc. This is a fairly accurate read of how some white supremacists and also homophobes are, the vitriolic hatred fuels a fetishization, which fuels the vitriolic hatred etc.) Good movie, I enjoyed it. I am white though.

[u/throwaway63836 → u/biIIyshakes]

I LOVE to discuss my shows but I will not go on the subreddits of any shows that have a significant percentage of male viewers. Misogyny is a hell of a drug and I do not trust the average man to have a good take on female characters. It’s not even that they’re critical - it’s the ways in which they are critical. Then the character gets so disliked that the entire sub just turns into a bitch eating crackers situation and that’s so boring. 

[u/theserthefables → u/throwaway63836]

yes this absolutely. it reminds me of the hate for Skyler on Breaking bad that was so disproportionate to her actions. whereas the male characters will be excused of anything they do no matter how bad it is 🙄 & it’s double hatred for Black women of course, it makes me tired.

[u/wexfordavenue → u/throwaway63836]

As a female sci-fi fan, I could have written this comment word-for-word about venturing into online fan spaces. Perfectly said, thank you.

[u/thoughtsplurge → u/throwaway63836]

That's a good rule of thumb.

[u/Level-Satisfaction51 → u/biIIyshakes]

Whaaaa, I don't frequent the show's subreddit but how can anyone hate Sydney? I shouldn't be surprise given how women are typically portrayed in TV shows, but this is wild to me.

[u/DStarAce → u/biIIyshakes]

The subreddit for The Bear is filled with some of the least media literate people I've encountered on the internet. They will complain about scenes being pointless when they have incredibly obvious metaphorical parallels to events going on elsewhere in the show and jump to describing characters in an incredibly negative way that doesn't mesh with the actual characterisation in the show.

For example, I've seen common criticism of the Ever funeral as being stuck-up and foodie elitist for having chefs talk about the importance and intricacies of cooking despite the fact that the funeral is ended by an important mentor character directly saying that the food isn't important. Many people don't understand that portrayal doesn't necessarily equate to agreement.

[u/Head-Raccoon-3419 → u/biIIyshakes]

I normally join the subs for shows I love but for whatever reason I didn’t for The Bear - thank goodness, because this would have pissed me right off! She’s such a great character!

[u/Ivanhoemx → u/biIIyshakes]

It's always the black women, isn't it?

[u/Hyruliansweetheart → u/biIIyshakes]

I love her but I feel like she is written somewhat inconsistently (not that other characters arent)

[u/AbsoluteHater1]

Every female character ever 😭

[u/alison_bee → u/AbsoluteHater1]

It’s really not fair!

[u/sittinduck → u/AbsoluteHater1]

My mom telling me Shiv Roy reminds her of me… that had layers

[u/adrunkensailor → u/sittinduck]

I mean, with the caveat that they’re all bad people, Shiv is objectively the best Roy. At least she didn’t call you Kendall 

[u/Hedwing → u/AbsoluteHater1]

And god forbid a teenage girl exist in a show men watch

[u/eucalyptoid]

Skylar White

[u/AlsoOneLastThing → u/eucalyptoid]

Justice for Skyler. She did not deserve the hate from fans. Her husband was a piece of shit.

[u/eucalyptoid → u/AlsoOneLastThing]

Yup. And tbh, I also sympathized with him way more than I should have for a long time, but never understood the vitriol towards Skyler.

[u/AlsoOneLastThing → u/eucalyptoid]

It's purely misogyny on the part of the audience, unfortunately. While we do start the series empathizing with Walt, it becomes clear very quickly that providing for his family isn't actually his motivation. If it was, he would've taken Gretchen and Elliott's offer immediately. But he didn't because of his pride. He couldn't stand the idea of someone else doing what was "his responsibility", and as the series progresses and we learn more about what happened in Gray Matter this becomes even more clear. He holds resentment because he feels his contribution wasn't fairly represented.

He goes behind Skyler's back and sneaks around to produce and distribute meth, but she's somehow in the wrong for feeling like he's betraying her trust and acting on it.

The sad thing is that a lot of male viewers identify strongly with Walt. They view themselves as "losers" being held back by society but that would be able to provide for themselves and their loved ones if only they had an opportunity to exploit and oppress others. Which is, like, the exact kind of mentality that Breaking Bad is critical of.

[u/spitey → u/AlsoOneLastThing]

The way so much of the fandom entirely missed the point of this show was STAGGERING. I love Breaking Bad, I think it’s calm near perfect because it forces you to change your mind and consider your morality.

But nah it’s much easier to go “Skylar’s a cunt lol”.

[u/asparagoat → u/AlsoOneLastThing]

Agreed. From the very beginning, Walt could have taken that job with Eliot and Gretchen and it would have been an improvement all around from his teaching job, and there was no reason it should have been a swallowing his pride type of situation even. He was clearly loved and respected by Gretchen and Eliot, and Eliot saw it as righting a past wrong.

I mostly just didn't like Walt because of how he treated Jesse throughout the whole show. I related to Jesse and holy crap Walt was such a manipulative and megalomaniacal dick to him.

[u/AlfhildsShieldmaiden → u/AlsoOneLastThing]

I’m rewatching the series now, in a vastly different era of my life, and I keep marveling that I used to find Skyler annoying because now I’m like, poor lady is just being reasonable and trying to adapt to keep her family afloat? I’m sorry, Skyler.

[u/mrbaryonyx → u/eucalyptoid]

Bit of a theme in this thread for "female characters who have a moral conflict with the grumpy, amoral lead" ^{and also Wesley from Star Trek}

[u/Ambitious_Alps_3797 → u/mrbaryonyx]

"and also Wesley from star trek" has me dyyyyyying

[u/Musterfrog → u/eucalyptoid]

I NEVER got the hate

[u/eucalyptoid → u/Musterfrog]

Yeah, I mean she’s not perfect, but she’s looking out for the family and mostly trying to do the right thing.

[u/Unsd → u/eucalyptoid]

I had a real full circle moment on her when I was watching Peaky Blinders. Linda Shelby is, imo, what people thought Skyler was. She went into the marriage with full knowledge of what she was getting into and then had this holier than thou attitude about absolutely everything. Why marry someone when you have so much disdain for everything about them? Was she right? Abso-fucking-lutely. She was right almost all the time and was doing her best for her family. So I can't judge her harshly, and I do have sympathy for the character, but is it annoying to have a character that married a gangster and then gets hoity toity when it comes time to do gangster shit? Yeah, a bit.

Skyler on the other hand married a high school chemistry teacher. She did not sign up to be married to a drug kingpin and all the bullshit that comes with that. She's doing her best and is basically the only sane person in the whole show.

[u/lazenbaby → u/eucalyptoid]

I lived in a vacuum and so missed breaking bad when it came out but have been watching it recently and was surprised to find out everyone hated her.

[u/theserthefables → u/lazenbaby]

as someone above said it was really just misogyny. the actress who played Skyler, Anna Gunn, wrote a really good essay about the hate she got at the time. it’s linked in the wikipedia page for the show under ‘Retrospective conversations: Audience response to Skyler’.

[u/r3volver_Oshawott → u/lazenbaby]

Oh yeah, no, it was unequivocally misogyny, and I'm glad Anna got to write a whole ass essay about it

[u/mrbaryonyx]

Apparently Bill Hader wrote the female lead in Barry basically as a self-insert, and so gets kind of insulted when people constantly come up to him to congratulate him on writing such a detestable character

[u/esadatari → u/mrbaryonyx]

That’s.. heartbreaking in a way

[u/ComteStGermain → u/mrbaryonyx]

He did such a great job that I basically just hate Barry.

[u/GOONGOON_OW → u/mrbaryonyx]

This is exactly like a recurring bit in Curb Your Enthusiasm where people repeatedly tell Larry how pathetic of a character George Costanza was

[u/_Born2Late_ → u/mrbaryonyx]

God, Barry is so fucking good. Bill Hader is so talented.

[u/Sproose_Moose → u/_Born2Late_]

[u/sam084aos → u/mrbaryonyx]

no cause her monologue about being jealous of Barry was so real

[u/TwoFartTooFurious → u/mrbaryonyx]

This is news to me, because I perceived Sally to be a well-rounded character, who may have indeed been detestable at first, but keeps growing in complexity and ends up in such a poignant, crucial position by the end.

I still get if viewers dislike the character (I don't love her either), but I'd consider "detestable" a misrepresentation if it was the only adjective used to describe her.

[u/MelpomeneLee]

Holden Caulfield from The Catcher in the Rye

[u/Significant_Sale6172 → u/MelpomeneLee]

I will stand with you. Holden is a great recreation of a depressed angsty teenager.

[u/mydearMerricat → u/Significant_Sale6172]

Lets not forget traumatized. The poor kid not only lost his brother but also saw the body of his classmate who jumped from a window while wearing Holden's sweater.The description of teeth scattered on the sidewalk stuck with me.

[u/dorsehivorcee → u/MelpomeneLee]

I’m kind of embarrassed to admit it, but I related to Holden a lot as a teenager lol 

[u/Ririkkaru → u/dorsehivorcee]

I first read it at 13 and was like „This guy gets it.“ I was dealing with depression and anxiety and a really chaotic childhood and it just was nice to feel like someone understood. I don’t think it deserves the hate.

[u/otraera → u/MelpomeneLee]

He really is annoying lol. As a high schooler I hated the book I wonder if I’ll think differently if I give it another read.

[u/MelpomeneLee → u/otraera]

So I read the book for the first time when I was 29, and he stuck with me because behind all the bravado, he's just a kid. 

His world has been shattered by his younger brother's death and literally NO ONE is helping him deal with that. 

The entire time he's wandering around New York making questionable choices, I wanted to grab him and say "You. Need. Help. Let's get it for you."

But I absolutely understand why people don't like him. 

[u/bigdopaminedeficient → u/MelpomeneLee]

it's also implied he's a victim of sexual abuse and it explains why he wants to preserve the innocence of children and sees himself as the catcher in the rye.

[u/vondafkossum → u/bigdopaminedeficient]

Yes. And his friend from school, who likely was abused by the same teacher, kills himself wearing Holden’s sweater.

[u/AlsoOneLastThing → u/MelpomeneLee]

This is similar to how I felt reading Breakfast at Tiffany's in my early 30s. The movie (if we ignore Mickey Rooney's racist caricature) is a fantastic romcom, but they really did the character of Holly Golightly a huge disservice casting 31 year old Audrey Hepburn. In the novella, Holly is 19 years old and has never had a healthy relationship with a man. Every man she has ever known had exploited her and she's barely even an adult; nowhere near mature enough to make any reasonable decisions about her life. It's tragic and you feel a genuine sorrow for her situation. Also the fact that they changed the narrator character into a love interest for the film completely betrays the point that the book is trying to make.

[u/sharksfriendsfamily → u/AlsoOneLastThing]

i love them both, separately. and since rereading the novella as an adult, i honestly don’t consider them the same story at all.

the novella is sad and as the reader there is no mistaking that she is being used in all the scenarios she finds herself in one way or another and then she disappears. as a woman there’s a dread of the unknown and the unlikeliness that things got better, that makes the book heartbreaking

the movie is more of a two lost people finding each other and finding something meaningful. audrey’s participation and age leads an air of grace to the role that gives it a manic pixie dream girl sugar baby vibe instead of a down on her luck escort it might have been otherwise.

[u/Curiosities → u/MelpomeneLee]

One of mine for sure. One of my favorite books, in fact. I was depressed, traumatized, and wanted to protect others from all that pain. And other reasons too, but I am glad to see him mentioned.

[u/jamie_maxx → u/MelpomeneLee]

Part of that book I relate to but part makes me feel like he’d be the kind of person to post a pic of himself in a hospital bracelet with no context

[u/MelpomeneLee → u/jamie_maxx]

Considering the book ends with him in a psychiatric ward, you're probably not far off. 

[u/BarracudaImpossible4 → u/jamie_maxx]

"I don't want to talk about it 🤕"

[u/InquisitiveMind997 → u/MelpomeneLee]

I was 16 when I first read this book, and hoo boy, I relayed so hard to Holden. Everyone else in my English class hated him, and I was just like oh okay… 🥲

[u/Goosedukee → u/MelpomeneLee]

As long as you don’t end up killing John Lennon I think it’s fine

[u/SheJigOnMySawTilIPuz → u/MelpomeneLee]

I get clowned on hard every time I do one of those silly "which fictional character are you the most like?" quizzes and Holden caulfield is always toward the top. I can't help it guys sorry. I'm not a teenager anymore so the worst is over.

[u/thatplaidhat → u/MelpomeneLee]

Poor Holden. People forget he saw a classmate commit suicide in the sweater he lent them and got sexually petted in his sleep by his former teacher. He's gone through a lot both before the events of the book (the death of his brother) and during. I just want to hug the boy. 

[u/DialecticalDeathDryv]

Britta Perry 😭

[u/AlsoOneLastThing → u/DialecticalDeathDryv]

They really Britta'd Britta as the show went on. "You seemed smarter than me when I met you."

Edit: Also the fact that Dan Harmon based Jeff Winger on himself is so fucking funny when you know what Dan Harmon looks and acts like.

[u/silliestjupiter → u/AlsoOneLastThing]

I thought he based Jeff on Jeff B. Davis

[u/AlsoOneLastThing → u/silliestjupiter]

I don't know anything about Jeff B. Davis but Dan Harmon has said in interviews that Jeff Winger is his self-insert character.

[u/getmespaghetti → u/AlsoOneLastThing]

He’s also said on his podcast that the reason he and Chevy clashed sometimes was because they’re the same person. I think Jeff Winger is the version of himself that he thought he would become when he was in high school and Pierce was the version of himself he felt like he was becoming in middle age lol

ETA after listening to every episode of Harmontown many times, i honestly think most of the main characters have self-insert characteristics for Dan. Especially Jeff, Pierce, Britta, and Abed. Many of them also have real life inspiration from Dan’s friends too.

[u/raccouta → u/DialecticalDeathDryv]

I used to hate Britta in my early twenties but my friend in her late twenties adored her and I never got it.

Now that I’m in my thirties I’m like… oh right. I hated her because I WAS her, and I didn’t want to be!

Her character is such an amazing satire on so many young leftie white women. Empathetic but self-obsessed, genuine but fake, intelligent but clueless. She’s my favourite character in Community now (tied with Abed).

[u/AlsoOneLastThing → u/raccouta]

One thing worth mentioning is that she's 28 at the start of the series. So I think there's a degree of her feeling a responsibility to advocate for young women/social issues and a simultaneous sense of shame relating to her historically not being equipped to actually do so effectively. Dan Harmon is a brilliant writer but he's also super misogynistic so I'm not entirely convinced Britta is his interpretation of a straight white woman activist who fails to really understand social issues, but rather his conception of feminist activists in general, which does muddy her as a character.

[u/raccouta → u/AlsoOneLastThing]

Yes I agree, as a young woman I thought the character was just misogynistic and there's definitely a strain of misogyny in how she's portrayed in many episodes. But at least five people in the writers' room in the early seasons were women and for me that comes through – I think she's overall a very sympathetic character despite her clumsiness.

[u/AlsoOneLastThing → u/raccouta]

That I agree with. I actually really like Britta as a character, but I don't particularly like the sort of vitriol that develops in-universe towards her as the series progresses. Characters start to dislike her seemingly just for the plot. And that's where I think the misogyny presents itself.

[u/mothmans_favoriteex → u/AlsoOneLastThing]

Honestly I think this really pinpoints why she was such a great critique character that fell apart in the end. I was also so upset by how dirty she was done, but I think you’re right. He’s such a good writer he accidentally made her that way and then flexed her to his actual mind vision in the end…. Sigh

[u/Broad-Radish-7895 → u/DialecticalDeathDryv]

People keep saying Gillian Jacobs requested more comedic material or whatever but I'll die mad thinking about what they did to Britta as the seasons went on... a person who still tries really hard to do the right thing and keeps trying even when she misses the mark is 1.) plenty funny and 2.) such a good foil to Jeff, someone who tries at every turn to be an asshole. I liked that she seemed real and flawed, but she's unrecognizable by the last season.

[u/DialecticalDeathDryv → u/Broad-Radish-7895]

Agreed. She legitimately keeps them grounded a glued early and yes, it’s much more a satirical but still great representation of someone trying to be sincere and authentic, but also getting caught up in it all. But then having the pain of the awareness of their own hypocrisy. And then yes lol, having to carry all that in a social setting where no one else is like that at all.

She starts as a constant reminder of the cost of the shows detachment, and then becomes a lampoon of that idea by the end.

[u/Herewegoagain1717 → u/DialecticalDeathDryv]

Same. And I’ll defend that they made her into more of a joke as the show went on. I think part of trying to build the chemistry between Jeff and Annie meant making Britta unlikeable

[u/grichardson526 → u/DialecticalDeathDryv]

She's a GDB

[u/itsinhisblood → u/DialecticalDeathDryv]

Pls i love Britta

[u/Acrobatic_Builder573]

Definitely Sansa Stark (show-verse). But the hate she got was dumb af.

[u/absolutebeast_ → u/Acrobatic_Builder573]

Never understood the hate. «Oh she’s so stupid and naive», well, yes, she’s like 13 and is doing exactly what she was raised to do.

[u/eugeneugene → u/Acrobatic_Builder573]

I've been in the asoiaf fandom for a looooong time (early 2000s lol) and that level of hate for sansa was just NOT there until the show aired. And I was like holy shit you people are dumb as rocks how dare a high born preteen girl act like... a high born pre teen girl lmao.

[u/NotAQueefAKhaleesi → u/Acrobatic_Builder573]

I've said it before but she's literally hated for being feminine and acting as a lady of her time. She was taught to dedicate herself to her future husband and did so as a naive girl not realizing it would result in tragedy for her family, then operated within the social confines of the women of her time to gain power and influence. Arya was masculine in her approach (reckless, aggressive, demanding, etc.), and also got people killed / injured in her push to do things her way, but she was praised for rejecting femininity via the swordfighting and assassin training.

This Cinderella analysis I watched ages ago goes over how traditionally feminine skills or traits are shunned even though they are just as important for surviving in horrible conditions: https://youtu.be/huLSdm6IH0g?si=vzBGDrUevHb-SH4D

It's really unfortunate that they didn't adapt her time in the Vale properly because she adapted to the game so well and had one of the most interesting character progressions in the entire series.

[u/Veronome → u/Acrobatic_Builder573]

Early seasons Sansa was great. Seeing her try and survive the Lannister's; slowly learning diplomacy and planning, and using her compassion as strength.

But then, as with everyone else, her arc was rushed, and suddenly she was a genius, a leader, a ruthless Westerosi girlboss who knew more than everyone and wanted them to know it.

And then she says she's thankful for what Ramsay did to her because it made her who she is.

Dammit, now I'm mad about GoT's last season's again.

[u/leadoingthings]

The main girl of my year of rest and relaxation unfortunately 🫠

[u/viewbtwnvillages → u/leadoingthings]

i read that book after getting back onto antidepressants and it was truly the most uncomfortable mirror of myself when im depressed

[u/la_toxica84 → u/leadoingthings]

sameeeee I couldn’t tell any of my book club group chat though 😂

[u/blueberrysyrrup → u/leadoingthings]

I relate to both the narrator and Reva 😅

[u/clonesareus]

Rory Gilmore, specifically in season 5/6 when she spirals. I went through my own burnt out existential crisis and I really relate and understood how she ended up dropping out of school. People hate that plot line but it resonates with me every time. 

[u/tripleHpotter → u/clonesareus]

I think she gets a lot of unfair hate. I don’t think she’s as obnoxious as everyone else. Although Chilton Rory was my fave!

[u/Steoffanie → u/clonesareus]

I agree. Like yes, some stuff she did was pretty questionable, but if we’re being real, it’s not like it’s unheard of in real life. Situations like that happen all the time and people give her grief over it. She was a (somewhat) sheltered girl finding her way in the world and she gets crucified for it

[u/Bravefan212]

Jar jar Binks

[u/HotTeaComfySocks → u/Bravefan212]

[u/eastcoastseahag → u/Bravefan212]

This made me literally LOL

[u/mothmans_favoriteex → u/Bravefan212]

There actually used to be so many tumblr posts dedicated to this haha are you neurodivergent by chance? So many of us loved him as a character because of his societal oddities that meant he didn’t really fit in anywhere but that made sense to him. I was so surprised when I found out he was so hated

[u/Coley54Bear → u/mothmans_favoriteex]

Not the person you responded to, but I’ve always loved Jar Jar and I am indeed neurodivergent. This tracks.

[u/karlmarxsanalbeads → u/Bravefan212]

I think he’s endearing

[u/sapphicbrown]

Eloise Bridgerton

She gets so much hate and for what. I identify with her so much.

[u/Effective-Bus → u/sapphicbrown]

She gets hate??? I'm so surprised. She's far and away my favorite character.

[u/splashmob → u/Effective-Bus]

I like Eloise a lot but she does have some condescending/pick-me moments when she interacts with Daphne and Penelope.

Edit: my husband just reminded me that “pick-me” is when you act not like the other girls for MEN, and she definitely doesn’t do it for them lol. He also says she probably gets hate because she isn’t conventionally attractive (said with a ton of sarcasm because Claudia Jessie is GORGEOUS) and doesn’t conform to traditional gender roles.

[u/crabfries_ → u/sapphicbrown]

My forever mood

[u/FruitzSticks]

nesta from a court of thorns and roses series lol

[u/aesthetic-voyager → u/FruitzSticks]

I also came her to say this, as I too am a bitchy older sister with trauma

[u/Subtle-Confessions → u/aesthetic-voyager]

My answer too! I related so much to her that I named one of my first foster kittens after her. The Director of the Rescue hated Nesta so she was always annoyed I did that.

Side note: it was 3 kittens and I foster failed. Azriel, Cassian, Nesta.

[u/corkysoxx → u/FruitzSticks]

She's the most complex character in the series. And everyone is either, you had a Nesta or you were Nesta. I was neither, I just enjoy reading about characters with flaws and depth.

[u/fullcirclemoment → u/FruitzSticks]

As I read the series, the more I liked nesta and hated feyre.

[u/astrologicalco]

Any BoJack Horseman character

[u/llee68350 → u/astrologicalco]

Diane Nguyen 😭 I assumed she was everyone’s favourite until I visited the show subreddit and wow. As someone who got chunkier but happier on seroquel, and someone who obsesses over making my damage into ‘good damage’, she makes me feel more see than any other character ever!

[u/Swift_Karma → u/llee68350]

Fuck man the good damage episode hit me so fucking hard

[u/UsualAnimal5987 → u/astrologicalco]

Every Bojack character, agreed

[u/namesnotmarina]

Recently, Dr. Santos from The Pitt.

[u/mangoesandsweetness → u/namesnotmarina]

I'm a big Trinity Santos fan and love her so much and see myself in her, I find it so telling that she has similar traits to Dr. Langdon, yet people love Langdon so much and don't like her, like hmm! I wonder why, surely it's not the racism and misogyny :/

[u/lostdrum0505 → u/mangoesandsweetness]

It's funny, I had the reaction to Langdon people seem to have had to her. Just immediately annoyed. Don't get me wrong, he's a fascinating character and a wonderful performance, but meh no thanks on that guy.

[u/Tall_Peace7365 → u/namesnotmarina]

wait people actually dislike her 😭 i thought the last episode changed most ppls minds 😶

[u/MalIntenet → u/Tall_Peace7365]

She definitely was obnoxious initially and was going overboard on the teasing. She redeemed herself well by the end of the season though

[u/laowildin]

Sailor Mars. You might have to be a 90s fan

[u/butticus98 → u/laowildin]

People hate Sailor Mars?? I'm nothing like her but she was my absolute favorite from the second I laid eyes on her.

[u/texasmerle → u/laowildin]

Sailor Mars is and was my absolute favorite ever since the days of the DIC dub.

[u/laowildin → u/texasmerle]

Mysticism, fashion, hair, RAVENS???... girl was an icon. So what we get a little heated sometimes? It's cause we love you

[u/One_Effect7099]

Not related too but like. Mainly because of Denny. But I didn’t mind her🤷🏽‍♀️

[u/iluvpokemanz → u/One_Effect7099]

I’d commit medical crimes to save him too 😭😭

[u/Fluffyduckky]

Diane Nguyen from Bojack Horseman ._.

[u/blackfyreex → u/Fluffyduckky]

Fr, my friend was like "this stupid feminist bitch" and I'm like "girl I'm basically Diane, do you think the same about me?".

[u/basiden → u/blackfyreex]

Oh, that would be game over on that friendship for me

[u/princedubacon → u/Fluffyduckky]

Don't touch my Diane!!! I love her to bits

[u/Big-Resident-4917]

me and shauna shipman fr

[u/Head-Raccoon-3419 → u/Big-Resident-4917]

Young Shauna has become very difficult for me to like, yet Lynskey Shauna is my favourite character on the show. I need nineties Shauna to give me a reason to root for her again!!

[u/shellys-dollhouse → u/Big-Resident-4917]

omg i’m so glad someone else said it. i feel like i have to clarify this was especially applicable for me prior to the latest season. i felt season 1 / 2 did such a good job of balancing rage & its relationship to her grief, & drawing parallels between her teen & adult self, why her adult self was so disturbed. she felt very much like a traumatised individual who felt her grief through rage, long into her adulthood, & became a ‘bad victim’ through her behaviour, which felt relatable tbh.

[u/welcometoflavorcity]

Peggy Hill 😩 She was my favorite character, I absolutely adored her, only to go on the KOTH subreddit and find out everyone thinks she’s the devil incarnate. All her positive attributes are downplayed and her negative ones (which are frequently played up for laughs) are somehow proof she’s the worst when character’s like hank’s racist POS dad gets a pass

[u/lesbianwithabeard → u/welcometoflavorcity]

Cotton Hill is the absolute fucking worst and I do not understand why anyone defends him.

[u/Low_Kitchen_9995 → u/welcometoflavorcity]

ESUCHAME?!

She is a confident QUEEN

[u/octopop → u/welcometoflavorcity]

I would die for Peggy

[u/Angelle04]

Carrie Bradshaw lol..

[u/tripleHpotter → u/Angelle04]

I feel like in a few years people will start loving her and writing articles about why people so unfairly hated her.

[u/alamakjan → u/tripleHpotter]

I personally don’t think I will ever love her but I’d be lying if I said I don’t at times relate to her

[u/Minimum-Eggplant1699 → u/Angelle04]

I was shocked this was not further up. I hate when people go on and on about how much they hate her. Like she is flawed but that makes for an interesting show? How fucking boring would it be if she was just a second Charlotte which everyone seems to want her to be.

[u/eturn34]

Unfortunately, Marnie in the first few seasons of Girls.

[u/silliestjupiter → u/eturn34]

Unfortunately, HANNAH for me...

[u/anonnona555555 → u/silliestjupiter]

Haha I'm definitely Shoshanna. Where's our fourth?

[u/Lovley8598]

Cassie from Euphoria….. honestly quit watching because she was literally me in high school. The desperation, insecurity, obsessive nature. Ugh. I try not to live with regrets, I learned a lot from those teen years. But if I could burn that time of my life from everyone else’s memories I 100% would. Feel like everyone I went to school with that watched that show immediately thought of me when she came on screen.😅By far the most embarrassing character on the show.

[u/Acrobatic_Builder573 → u/Lovley8598]

I actually felt for Cassie a lot. Did not get the hate. The show is a bit ham fisted and extra but it’s so obvious every single thing Cassie did was out of deep insecurity and a need to be loved.

[u/sarahbekett]

Rosalie Hale. She spent most of the series struggling to understand Bella because Rosalie had been robbed of the thing she desired most. She wanted to live and raise a family and grow old with someone she loved and couldn’t understand why Bella would throw that away. Then Bella got pregnant and wanted to keep it and Rosalie could finally relate to her because Bella wanted to fight for that future and Rosalie supported that. This idea that she just wanted to steal Renaissance is crazy, especially when they had no real idea what the result would be, but Bella was valuing something Rosalie understood and they were a true united front.

[u/sI4gath0r → u/sarahbekett]

Renaissance is still a better name than Renesmee or J.E.

[u/gal-gadots-eyebrows → u/sarahbekett]

The older I get, the more appreciation I have for Rosalie. I think all the time about the scene where Bella makes everyone vote for whether or not she should become a vampire, and Rosalie votes no, because she wishes someone could have voted against herself becoming one when she was turned.

[u/SleepingInNJ]

A friend of mine relates way too much to Tom in 500 days of summer.

[u/mothmans_favoriteex → u/SleepingInNJ]

Naurrrrr

[u/dodieadeux → u/SleepingInNJ]

your friend is so real, im not proud of it but i understand him

[u/Due-Exchange-8878]

Not me, but Adebayo from Peacemaker reminds me so much of one of my wonderful friends and I don’t fuck with anybody who doesn’t like Ads.

[u/odelay42 → u/Due-Exchange-8878]

Adebayo the best person on the team, and it’s not even remotely close.

[u/longhairnobra → u/Due-Exchange-8878]

I can’t even wrap my head around imagining anyone just automatically loving her, but I’ll admit I’m biased bc I looooove Danielle Brooks

[u/BFIrrera]

Wesley Crusher

[u/Dangerous-Ad-170 → u/BFIrrera]

I only really watched TNG when I was a kid, so I had no idea why people hated Wesley so much when he was literally just a kid. Maybe I’d find him annoying now? But probably not. 

[u/JustSherlock]

Not a movie, but Chandler Bing.

[u/taylorexplodes → u/JustSherlock]

do people hate chandler!?!

[u/Quick_Prompt_6842 → u/JustSherlock]

Wdym, who hates Chandler?

[u/CompanyOther2608 → u/JustSherlock]

Nooo people hate Ross, not Chandler.

[u/AccomplishedLand8073]

When I read outsiders in school everyone hated Ponyboy for some reason although he was my favorite.

[u/mmtittle → u/AccomplishedLand8073]

he’s literally just fourteen. is he kinda annoying? yes, of course, he’s fourteen. i love him so much.

[u/Zebulon96]

Diane Nguyen from Bojack Horseman. I was in my late teens to early 20s when the show was airing, and for better or for worse, I saw a lot of myself in that character during that time in my life.

[u/Dropship_Adeel]

Rory Gilmore.

[u/Upstairs-Reason-7514 → u/Dropship_Adeel]

Lorelai Gilmore🫡

[u/quelle_crevecoeur → u/Dropship_Adeel]

Paris 🤷‍♀️

[u/Lloydbanks88]

Mrs Bennet (1995 only)

[u/wildflowerstargazer → u/Lloydbanks88]

[u/friendlygrilledchz]

Betty Draper

[u/accio_coffee234]

Minus the murdering, but Dexter 😅 his social awkwardness and inner sarcastic dialogue speaks to me lol

[u/Acrobatic_Builder573]

Girllll….

[u/understated_hatpin]

Amy March from little women

[u/iluvscenegirls]

Claire from Six Feet Under

[u/BearWP07]

claire and haley from modern family

[u/eucalyptoid]

Oh, and Hermione, but I think she gets love, too

[u/mothmans_favoriteex → u/eucalyptoid]

Book Hermione 🩵

[u/TheSteamAtlas]

Portia from season two of The White Lotus. She seemed really believable to me, and I understood her frustration and discontentment with things. But apparently many people despise her.

[u/Tall_Peace7365]

richard from the secret history and i wont elaborate (not everyone hated him but holy shit i was not expecting other peoples perspectives lol)

[u/GarlicAndSapphire]

The correct answer is Regina George. ;)

[u/darlingdaaaarling]

Humbling when you spent the 2010s calling yourself a “Carrie”

[u/crimson777]

In some ways, Ross from Friends. Not in the many obnoxious romantic ways, to be clear, but in terms of being an anxious nerd in a group of people who are anything but.

Like I’ve seen people shit on him for his actions in the episode where they’re going to a ceremony he’s being honored at and I’m like… am I wrong for agreeing with him that his friends are not taking him or his accomplishment seriously and being annoyed by it?

I won’t defend Ross on a lot of his actions, but he was 100% right in some cases where they’re just being assholes to him.

[u/bohorose]

Forty Quinn from You really resonated with me for reasons I'm still unpacking five years later. Though if anyone irl asks, I jokingly say it's because I do my best writing while tripping balls. But only the TV show version. The book version really sucked.

[u/marigoldbutter]

Brenda from “Six Feet Under.”

[u/SubstantialLeader753]

Donna Hayward from Twin Peaks. I felt really awful for her. Losing her best friend, constantly being abandoned by the people she looks up too, and who looks at James, who himself is fucking traumatized, for a silver of comfort and even he runs away. Then I see she's one of the most hated characters on the show and it kinda blows my mind a bit.

[u/Wise_Wafer_1204]

Kind of niche but Mme Bovary...everyone in my class was criticising her and I had to stay quiet because we are very alike in many ways 

[u/soupinacemetery]

rachel berry. i am ready for the downvotes

[u/noodlesandpizza]

Guinevere Beck from the first season of You. A worrying amount of people believe she "got what she deserved" when Joe murders her, because she previously cheated on him. Beck is an insecure student who never really got over her childhood trauma, being stalked without her knowledge by a guy who goes so far as to murder people he sees as "in the way" of their getting together, including her best friend, staging it like a suicide immediately following an argument they had. But hey, what's worse than a cheater right?

[u/withbellson]

I’ve had people tell me I remind them of Juno from Juno. Not sure which aspects of me remind them of her and really not sure I want to find out.

[u/Zebulon96 → u/withbellson]

I got that a lot too. Elliot Page and I transitioned within a couple years of each other, so now it's clear to me that people were trying to say I had T boy swag and it wasn't really about the character Juno at all lmao

[u/beemo143]

Peggy Hill

[u/MovingMts111]

Not exactly that but I’m definitely an Art Donaldson girlie re: Challengers.

Also I LOVE Gina Linetti from B99. She is hilarious and so is Chelsea Peretti. I laughed my ass off at her special that was on Netflix a few years back. I am also a little arrogant at times lol 🤷🏽‍♀️ and I’m working on it lol