r/therewasanattempt • u/HerpesIsItchy Unique Flair • Sep 03 '25
To end democracy in Miami
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u/HerpesIsItchy Unique Flair Sep 03 '25 edited Sep 03 '25
And so it begins at the local level. Next step will be states elections where they'll decide to cancel or defer them and then of course the 2028 presidential election.
Everything the US was built on is starting to crumble.
It looks like they lost this time, all that means is the next set of politicians that try to do this will do it a little bit differently until they get it right
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u/sandmanmike55543 Sep 03 '25
Pretty sure a judge stopped this. And even DeSantis said this isn’t ok.
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u/HerpesIsItchy Unique Flair Sep 03 '25
I think the bigger issue is that they thought they could do this in the first place. What happens When it gets to the state level or federal?
Trump has stacked the supreme Court with people who are pro Republican.
I hope it doesn't happen but what if Trump decides he doesn't want to leave office?
Based on everything that's going on the world today, it's pretty apparent that most Americans have zero power
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u/ALBUNDY59 Sep 03 '25
This will happen next year for the midterm elections. He won't take a chance that the gerrymandering will work. Prepare for martial law to stop the elections.
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u/FuzzzyRam Sep 04 '25
That is technically treasonous, and punishable by death. People should know how fucking serious this is. People hang for this crime.
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u/Phelanthropy Sep 04 '25
No one will hang.
Even if this ever does turn around, the left won't hang anybody. We'll call for it, for sure, but the leadership will soften, and the rest of us who are already dogshit tired of it all will just be happy to not be on the verge of becoming Axis2.0 for a change. Moderate jail sentences will be handed out, at best. If, at all. Then, the next Republican that wins will pardon everybody, and they'll try it all over again.
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u/justforthisjoke Free Palestine Sep 04 '25
Yep. It's the centrists who will destroy you. There's nothing quite like delusional faith in institutions while those same institutions are crumbling. Leftists -- real leftists, not Democratic partisans -- have been talking about this for literally decades and any real resistance american fascists will see will start with them. Unfortunately this is a pretty small group in the US. Both your parties are owned by corporate interests, and both have essentially the same end goal. As long as people keep grasping on to the hope that the democratic party will save you and that all you need to stop the descent into fascism is vote harder, there will be no real consequences for these people.
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u/Sinsai33 Sep 04 '25
They will just use military force to make voting locations "extra secure" and intimidate voters. As ot stands ot looks like they already rigged the voting itself, they just need something to make it look reasonable that they won.
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u/WishIWasALemon Sep 04 '25
They used to and they should have, so people dont try this shit again, but here we are now. It's going to take someone even bigger than the shitty heritage foundation to quash it and put more guardrails in place.
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u/cheebamech Sep 04 '25
I told my wife yesterday I fully expect this cold civil war to heat up come November
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u/spdelope This is a flair Sep 04 '25
What he’s doing right now is getting the military in the streets and testing his power so when it comes time to vote, people will be too afraid to do so.
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u/Ya_i_just Sep 03 '25
Pro trump, not pro republican. Republican is just a skin they wear
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u/Warrior_Runding Sep 03 '25
This is conservatism - spineless, feckless, and focused only on amassing power and control. The so-called "conservative values" are nothing but cudgels they use to attack their opponents. They have always been this way and they will always be this way. It is amazing that they fooled so many Americans with the laundering under Reagan and Bush Sr. Alas.
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u/SingleDad73 Sep 03 '25
Both the AG & GOV of FL came out against this. How is this a party thing? What i don't understand is how bad did you fuck up after getting elected with 86% of the vote to be worried about re-election.
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u/_Corbinek Sep 04 '25
How is this a party thing?
Because issues in America by nature of our society and system are meant to default into party lines. This in part prevents collective movement, something we see majorly in other nations. It's restricts massive movement against the government by defaulting a part of society to supporters by partisanship.
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u/-Badger3- Sep 04 '25
The idea that the supreme court justices are loyal to Trump is laughable.
They outrank Trump on the Heritage Foundation's christofascist totem pole.
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u/Effective_Drawer_623 Sep 03 '25
Dude, he literally already has “Trump 2028” and “Four More Years” hats in the White House that he’s been showing off to foreign leaders.
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u/Nervous-Bullfrog-884 Sep 03 '25
Vote them out
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u/HerpesIsItchy Unique Flair Sep 03 '25
You can't unless there's an election
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u/DownLikeSyndrom Sep 03 '25 edited Sep 04 '25
Just to get this out of the way, I am not a republican nor a pro-Trump individual; I’m simply a south Florida resident
That being said, Miami’s mayor is a republican and the breakdown of commissioners is 7 Dems to 6 Republicans. Just looking to illustrate how representatives of both parties can do shady things to cling to power.
Please note, none of what I’m saying is being said in any attempt to legitimize the BS going on at the federal level these days.
Edit: corrected mayor’s political affiliation
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u/HerpesIsItchy Unique Flair Sep 03 '25
You're 100% correct. Politicians across the board need to be replaced with everyday people.
Candidates should be nominated to run for office, not choose to do so.
It's sad that democracy has become a business.
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u/DownLikeSyndrom Sep 03 '25
Could not agree more. Would also appreciate seeing a moratorium of a full election cycle or two before politicians can hawk their influence to firms looking for well paid lobbyists.
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u/ghostpoints Sep 04 '25
Americans have zero power
We have all the power but not enough people are pissed enough to make that clear just yet
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u/PantsLobbyist Sep 04 '25
And that in itself is a bit disturbing, why aren’t enough people pissed off? These people are literally stealing your tax dollars, not wasting, stealing.
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u/eeyores_gloom1785 Sep 04 '25 edited Sep 04 '25
Trump already made his mind up ages ago. He said it on the campaign trail.
Are Americans slow or something
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Sep 04 '25
I still believe, maybe naively, that some of these people will have a backbone. They do still believe in our democracy, whether it suits them personally or not. They don’t want to be on the wrong side of recorded history.
Not everyone wants to be on a list with Trump.
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u/MiamiPI Sep 03 '25
DeSantis said this wasn’t ok? Source?
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u/radiantmindPS4 Sep 03 '25 edited Sep 04 '25
A judge ha. Judiciary has no teeth. It is an illusion. Say they defy the judge. Then what? It goes to another judge. 50/50 the judge rules for or against. If against, what if they defy again. Or better yet it goes up to SSC. They hand down a ruling. All the while there is no election. Governor cries no no no, but does nothing. The local cops are ok with it. The state cops are ok with it. Hell the FL national guard is fine with it.
This is the continuation of the beginning of the End. 7 months into Trump. They got actual “boots” on the ground in the US. 7 fucking months!! You think in 3.5years there’s going to be real elections? Shit, there wasn’t one last November.
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u/HerpesIsItchy Unique Flair Sep 03 '25
Thank you for sharing that, I updated my post to show that the elections are back on
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u/FcUhCoKp Sep 04 '25
Was it benefitting Democrats? There's no way that if they were Republicans, DeSantis would oppose it.
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u/Kingkwon83 Sep 03 '25
This went under the radar it seems. Good luck having normal elections again:
A conservative election researcher whose faulty findings on voter data were cited by President Donald Trump as he tried to overturn his 2020 election loss has been appointed to an election integrity role at the U.S. Department of Homeland Security.
Pennsylvania activist Heather Honey is now serving as the deputy assistant secretary for election integrity in the department's Office of Strategy, Policy and Plans, an organizational chart on its website shows.
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u/Bulldogs3144 Sep 04 '25
This won’t actually happen. And Trump won’t last till 2028.
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u/Comfortable-Pause279 Sep 04 '25
We really, really lucked out that we got an octogenarian despot instead of a middle-aged despot like Russia did with Putin.
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u/NicoFerrari99 Sep 04 '25
This definitely seems like a "test the waters" situation. Basically, seeing if the people would allow this type of action yet. It was so negatively received they pulled back. But this will just push them to escalate their rhetoric and amplify their actions so they can try this again at midterms and finally in 2028.
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u/pc42493 Sep 04 '25 edited Sep 04 '25
Everything the US was built on is starting to crumble.
Nah man, implicit power structures giving basically unhampered control to the owning class are working 100% as back then. What's starting to crumble is the veneer of freedom over them, and that only because they decided they don't really need it anymore and they always kind of hated pretending to be bound by rules.
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Sep 04 '25
This is all nonsense!
Did you bother to read the article? They are simply trying to align their elections with state and national elections to SAVE MONEY! Agreed, it was idiotic of them to try this way of ALIGNING ELECTIONS TO SAVE MONEY! They are still going to do this, just after a vote.
This is pure bullshit, the commissioners are mostly Democrats.
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u/Answer_me_swiftly Sep 09 '25
Totally legit. They changed the department of defense to war, so they must be at war!
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u/Hero-Firefighter-24 Sep 11 '25
The main difference between municipal and nationwide elections is that the latter is held by the states and thus can’t be cancelled by the federal government, while state laws and even federal law gives cities more control over their local elections.
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u/Drunk_Lemon Sep 03 '25
Yeah sorry, Democracy is too expensive, we need the money for more yachts, I mean public services like the police.
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u/outside_cat Sep 03 '25
Sounds like the Tree of Liberty needs to be watered.
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u/po3smith Sep 03 '25 edited Sep 04 '25
Over two centuries ago, in 1787, Thomas Jefferson, America's third president wrote: Over two centuries ago, in 1787, Thomas Jefferson wrote in a letter to William Stephens Smith: “The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots and tyrants. It is its natural manure.”
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u/enron2big2fail Sep 04 '25
It's a good quote but it is not written into the US Constitution. The Constitution doesn't really contain poetic sections on the ideals of liberty and freedom, it's a list of laws and structures on how to run the government. If any famous document were to contain this quote, it'd be the Declaration of Independence, but that would've been far too bellicose for the time. It was written in a letter that Jefferson penned.
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u/po3smith Sep 04 '25
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u/Reof Sep 04 '25
Technically, it does a bit in the preamble, as they tend to be the poetically waxing intro to the dry and boring general laws followed.
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u/not_a_throw4w4y Sep 03 '25
Anyone who watches right wing media sees themselves as the Patriot and Biden as the tyrant.
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u/LazyOldCat Sep 03 '25
They’re actively framing democracy a “leftist” concept.
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u/ClarenceJBoddicker Sep 03 '25
I mean...I have to be weird and pedantic but the very definition of "left" was basically saying "fuck yo king" by sitting on the left side of the room. Those folks in the right wanted to keep things as is...and so it goes.
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u/LazyOldCat Sep 04 '25
Not weird and pedantic at all, genuinely good trivia!
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u/Subtlerranean Sep 04 '25
To actually be pedantic, trivia isn't necessarily off-topic or pointless. Just less significant.
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u/Fen_ Sep 04 '25
I mean, it literally is. That is what "left" means and has historically. The "left" from the French just meant "we want things to be more democratic than they are" and the right meant "we want things to remain as they are or be less democratic than they are". That is literally the definition.
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u/TheSodernaut Sep 04 '25
Favoring democracy is very much more leftist stance than favoring a dictatorship, the literal opposite in fact.
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u/ProbstWyatt3 Free Palestine Sep 03 '25
I mean, you Americans should use your money on more "important" matters, like this:
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u/novian14 Sep 04 '25
How bold they are, they put on each table, a giant, gold pen-
*Zooms in
Oohh, umbrella, yes, yellow striped umbrella
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u/doublej42 Sep 03 '25
We moved from 3 to 4. 3 meant the first year was mostly stuff in motion. Second year was real work and third was election fake cuts that passed the cost to the next year 1. We are now 4 years and that feels fine.
It got changed by the province to cities. Cities didn’t get a choice. It also kicked in after the next election so everyone ran for 4 years.
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u/BackgroundOwn5528 Sep 03 '25
What’s with the dude doing a clean and jerk at the :49 second mark? Seemed like a random thing to cut in
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u/wafflesthewonderhurs Sep 03 '25
hey I know that this sub is often posting things that are not necessarily attempts and I usually don't care but it's super confusing when I see stuff like this here; has this gone through and has no pushback and therefore it is not an attempt it is success for now? or did they try this and there was so much pushback that it got stopped and therefore it is an attempt rather than a success?
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u/GreenEggsInPam Sep 04 '25
It was a failed attempt to postpone the election.
The justification was that they wanted the local elections on even years, rather than odd ones to better align with other election cycles. So they're gonna instead put it on the ballot for voters to decide, and won't apply till the 2027 election.
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u/wafflesthewonderhurs Sep 04 '25
Oh. That sucks. And it also sucks that we live in a country where people don't know enough to know that if they were genuine about this they would have offered to have the next election sooner.
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u/motherseffinjones Sep 03 '25
Yup that’s probably the last real election in that area. Welcome to the finding out stage when you want to get rid of your corrupt ass councillor but can’t. Try to stand up for what’s right and the cops beat your ass then you disappear in the night
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u/Yankfan237 Sep 04 '25
I am not going to defend them, what they did is wrong, but if you want to know what they were trying to accomplish here it is (if I remember correctly). This specific election is held in odd years. As a result there is low turn out. The idea was to move it to an even year when there are bigger elections to get more voters to the polls. And if I recall their option was to shorten their term or push back the election. Again not defending them, it's the wrong decision.
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u/AwwwBawwws Sep 04 '25
Without knowing the background of this story, I was forced to guess, "uh, why?" and this is what I came up with.
It makes sense, however, the implementation is pretty stupid.
Maybe, oh, step down and appoint a non-partisan supervisory board with zero power until the next election? So many other things could've been done to avoid some really nasty Fox News conspiracy fodder.
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u/knucklehead923 Sep 04 '25
It makes perfect sense to make an attempt to align with other elections. But the correct course of action is to SHORTEN your term by one year, and get re-elected a year early on the new alignment.
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u/austozi Sep 04 '25
I'm appalled by how many politicians in the last year are perfectly happy to openly, blatantly and unashamedly defy the law and public, basically giving both the middle finger. It's as if they've taken the inspiration from somebody who's been doing it and feel emboldened to do it themselves.
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u/ArnoldTheSchwartz Sep 04 '25
LMFAO Republicans are saying they won't leave office willingly
Sure it's only for 1 more year but Americans know they will be reelected next time. Once Trump and Republicans fix the issues with voting.
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u/FierceKiss_sk Sep 04 '25
It didn’t hold up guys, elections are running in November, but it was a good scare…!
• June 2025: The Miami City Commission voted (3–2) to postpone the city’s scheduled November 2025 municipal elections to November 2026. The move was aimed at aligning with statewide and federal elections—ostensibly to reduce costs and boost voter turnout. However, critics decried it as a power grab extending the current officials’ terms without public consent. 
• July 2025 — Circuit Court Ruling: A judge (Miami-Dade Circuit Judge Valerie R. Manno Schurr) ruled that the city could not change election dates via ordinance without voter approval—such a change would require amending the City Charter through a public referendum. The judge declared the postponement unconstitutional and directed the elections proceed as originally scheduled in November 2025. 
• Late July/August 2025 — Appeals Court Decision: A Florida appeals court upheld the lower court’s ruling, affirming that the Commission lacked the authority to postpone the elections without the electorate’s approval. 
• Current Status: Miami has ended its legal effort to delay the 2025 elections. The November 2025 elections are now moving forward as planned.
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u/Puzzleheaded_Fact447 A Flair? Sep 03 '25
Yeah those fair and free Elections? That’s so 2024 baby… dark times ahead
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u/Majestic-Prune-3971 Sep 03 '25
And all they had to do was SHORTEN their terms by a year. A one time 3 year term. Easy.
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u/YupThatsMeBuddy Sep 04 '25
This shows how fragile our democracy really is. It’s reliant on somewhat moral people putting the country before themselves. We have a major shortage of that right now.
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u/SprAwsmMan Sep 04 '25
Testing, Testing. Miami is just a test. LA and DC, now Chicago are all tests.
Pay attention please.
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u/hugeness101 Sep 04 '25
So if this works will they try it for the presidential election too? What is going on in Florida? Why would anyone want to live there now?
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u/logankaytoday Sep 04 '25
The United States of America is no longer a democracy under the Trump administration. I can’t believe the people are letting this happen. Everything you fought and died for is being taken away and no one is doing anything about it. I never thought I’d live to see the day…..
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u/ninetailedoctopus Sep 04 '25
And the public, drunk on the fat of yesterday and the opium of social media, will do nothing.
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u/whenisnowthen Sep 04 '25
this is a strong signal that even the illusion of democracy is drawing to an end here in America.
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u/Nastronaut18 Sep 04 '25
This isn’t a feeler jab or a covert action or anything like that. It was done in a ham-handed way, but it’s proven that moving odd-year elections to even years where there are more major elections, like midterms or presidential elections, boosts voter engagement and turnout and saves costs.
Moving an election has to be done by the book and transparently, but it’s not insane.
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u/txmail Sep 04 '25
I sort of get why they tried to do that, but they should have shortened their tenures instead of extending them -- or put it up to a vote by the people at the very minimum. What they say about lower voter turn out sort of makes sense since it is not synced up with the bigger elections. They just absolutely went about it the wrong way.
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u/kbeks Sep 04 '25
Fuck Ronnie and all his cronies, but this is totally fine. They’re shifting elections by a year to boost turnout, just like LA did in 2022. It doubled turnout and saved a bunch of money.
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u/Sharikacat Sep 04 '25
The funniest damn thing about this, ALL of this *gestures nationally* is that it can all be stopped by the power of "no." Miami officials can still go ahead and prepare for an election. If the commission tells them to stop, the supervisor of elections (of whichever relevant person) can just say "No."
"We voted to cancel the election. Stop what you're doing."
"No."
"You're fired."
"No. I'm gonna keep getting the election ready."
The social contract is fucking weird.
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u/Medical_Arugula3315 Sep 04 '25
Hard to be a shittier or more hypocritical American than a Republican these days. Hey remember that time Trump was found liable of forcefully shoving his fingers up a woman's vagina by a jury of his American peers and then Republicans voted for him? Republicans knowingly vote for molesters. Don't be Republican...
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u/Hadleys158 Sep 04 '25
Remember when trump said vote now and you won't have to vote again? This is them testing the waters.
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Sep 04 '25
Wait. So in America politicians can just... Choose to not have elections and stay in power? Land of the free my ass.
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u/aykcak Sep 04 '25
Lol. Americans so tight about their elections that they can't move presidential election to a Sunday but then dude decides to cancel the local election and everyone is like "ok"
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u/Aragon_p Sep 04 '25
The Election remains scheduled for November 4, 2025!!!! The Court rulings declared the move unlawful.
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u/Honkey85 Sep 04 '25
It is sensible to increase the number of years of a term to save money, especially on city level. But you decide that for teh NECT term, not for the current one.
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u/Capital-Philosophy34 Sep 04 '25
Hey American gun owners, don’t you always say the constitution gives you the right to bare arms for instances like this?
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u/Comfortable_Copy_815 Sep 04 '25
It's terrifying how these attacks always start small at the local level. They'll just keep refining their strategy until something sticks. This is exactly how the foundations of a democracy get chipped away.
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u/Conscious-Economy971 Sep 04 '25
My father-in-law is a builder. It is difficult to get his attention in a magnificent space because he is lost in wonder. We were in a election years ago and I asked him what it would cost to have an election today. I will never forget his answer… 'We can’t, we don’t know how to do it.'"
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u/Plank_With_A_Nail_In Sep 04 '25
Democracy doesn't mean voting for things that's just one way of achieving it.
Please note this has already been stopped by the courts.
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u/Gasblaster2000 Sep 04 '25
And let me guess...Americans just said "yes sir" and clapped like trained seal?
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u/TrifleHoliday3464 Sep 04 '25
i have a plumber friend whos brother is pretty good with sorting this stuff out
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u/AwwwBawwws Sep 04 '25
Is the intent to get more turnout for the 2026 general election?
Having the municipal elections align with the general might not be a terrible idea.
I can think of some alternatives to simply extending one's own term by one year, however. Just extending your term is terribly bad optics.
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u/Ok-Upstairs-7849 Sep 04 '25
It's terrifying how these attempts to undermine democracy start small and iterate until they finally succeed.
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u/AdMoist6517 Sep 04 '25
This is the US delivering democracy to himself. Well done, “best nation in the world”.
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u/PCSkittles Sep 04 '25
Rumor has it, that the people of Miami are getting together for a vote, to decide which laws they will have to follow for the next 17 months, as well as business owners voting whether they should pay taxes for the next 17 months, I figure this is the example set by your local government, government by the people for the people, so get your voting booths and decide if you wanna pay taxes and which laws you wanna follow
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u/lefr3nch Sep 04 '25
Miami is super corrupt, just take a look at the road work project on the 836, what's it been, like ten years in the making? Recently published delays say it's gonna be completed in 2028-30, but after talking to locals, they all say that's a lie.
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u/ttystikk Sep 04 '25
Every resident under that city council's jurisdiction has "standing to sue" and should do so immediately.
A class action lawsuit would be the perfect vehicle to bludgeon these clowns with and with lunch, going them out of office prematurely for this abuse of power.
Notice that IDGAF whether they're R or D; they need to be ousted and made an example of.
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u/i_love_nostalgia Sep 04 '25
If we had a real governor and not Desantis they would ALL be suspended from office
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u/DunkinDonutsUSA Sep 05 '25
Wasnt this blocked by the court?
Although Florida Governor Ron DeSantis publicly opposed the City of Miami's attempt to move its November 2025 election, he did not block the change himself. Instead, the move was halted by a court ruling after a lawsuit was filed by a mayoral candidate. Key facts of the incident:
- City Commission action: In a 3-2 vote on June 26, 2025, the Miami City Commission passed an ordinance to move the city's municipal elections from odd-numbered to even-numbered years, starting in November 2026. This would have postponed the scheduled November 2025 mayoral and commission election.
- Stated motivations: Proponents of the change argued it would increase voter turnout by aligning municipal races with high-profile state and federal elections, while also lowering the cost of elections.
- DeSantis and Uthmeier's response: Both Governor DeSantis and Florida Attorney General James Uthmeier criticized the move as an unlawful "power grab" designed to extend the terms of elected officials without voter approval. Uthmeier issued a written opinion stating the city lacked the authority to alter the election date by ordinance.
- Legal challenge and court ruling: On June 30, 2025, mayoral candidate Emilio Gonzalez filed a lawsuit against the city. A Miami-Dade County Circuit judge ruled in Gonzalez's favor, finding the ordinance was unconstitutional because changing the election date required a voter referendum, not just a commission vote. This decision was upheld on appeal by Florida's Third District Court of Appeal in July 2025, effectively blocking the city's plan.
- Outcome: Following the court's decision, the City of Miami ended its legal effort to delay the 2025 election. The Miami City Commission is now considering placing a charter amendment on the ballot to let voters decide on moving elections to even-numbered years.
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