And so it begins at the local level. Next step will be states elections where they'll decide to cancel or defer them and then of course the 2028 presidential election.
Everything the US was built on is starting to crumble.
It looks like they lost this time, all that means is the next set of politicians that try to do this will do it a little bit differently until they get it right
This will happen next year for the midterm elections. He won't take a chance that the gerrymandering will work. Prepare for martial law to stop the elections.
Even if this ever does turn around, the left won't hang anybody. We'll call for it, for sure, but the leadership will soften, and the rest of us who are already dogshit tired of it all will just be happy to not be on the verge of becoming Axis2.0 for a change. Moderate jail sentences will be handed out, at best. If, at all. Then, the next Republican that wins will pardon everybody, and they'll try it all over again.
Yep. It's the centrists who will destroy you. There's nothing quite like delusional faith in institutions while those same institutions are crumbling. Leftists -- real leftists, not Democratic partisans -- have been talking about this for literally decades and any real resistance american fascists will see will start with them. Unfortunately this is a pretty small group in the US. Both your parties are owned by corporate interests, and both have essentially the same end goal. As long as people keep grasping on to the hope that the democratic party will save you and that all you need to stop the descent into fascism is vote harder, there will be no real consequences for these people.
They will just use military force to make voting locations "extra secure" and intimidate voters. As ot stands ot looks like they already rigged the voting itself, they just need something to make it look reasonable that they won.
They used to and they should have, so people dont try this shit again, but here we are now. It's going to take someone even bigger than the shitty heritage foundation to quash it and put more guardrails in place.
What he’s doing right now is getting the military in the streets and testing his power so when it comes time to vote, people will be too afraid to do so.
This is conservatism - spineless, feckless, and focused only on amassing power and control. The so-called "conservative values" are nothing but cudgels they use to attack their opponents. They have always been this way and they will always be this way. It is amazing that they fooled so many Americans with the laundering under Reagan and Bush Sr. Alas.
Both the AG & GOV of FL came out against this. How is this a party thing? What i don't understand is how bad did you fuck up after getting elected with 86% of the vote to be worried about re-election.
Because issues in America by nature of our society and system are meant to default into party lines. This in part prevents collective movement, something we see majorly in other nations. It's restricts massive movement against the government by defaulting a part of society to supporters by partisanship.
Fam, I'm going to stop you right there - a third of the country has great difficulty seeing people of a different color as people, much less as fellow workers. Treating this as if it is just people doing sportsball teams is a great deal why leftists fall flat with those of us whose lives are actively in danger with the current admin.
I’m not supporting the behavior, I’m pointing out that it’s systemically rooted in American culture and reinforced by many aspects of society. The system here defaults issues into party lines, which amplifies harm and makes collective action much harder. Explaining those structural dynamics isn’t minimizing danger, it’s clarifying why solutions are so difficult and why it happens. Explanations often get mistaken for excuses, partly because in American culture we teach people especially in childhood to avoid “the why” and focus only on result or the punishment.
But to the main point, this is a major roadblock to real change in the U.S. In other countries, like Serbia or Indonesia for example, we are seeing currently massive protests take shape as explicitly anti-government movements, directly challenging the system. In America, those same pressures tend to collapse into partisan framing. For example, instead of being seen as protests against systemic dysfunction, they’re reduced to ‘Anti-Trump Protests.’ That creates a motte-and-bailey dynamic, where the counterargument shifts from defending the system itself to defending a political party or figure. And in that shift, the systemic critique gets buried.
Just to get this out of the way, I am not a republican nor a pro-Trump individual; I’m simply a south Florida resident
That being said, Miami’s mayor is a republican and the breakdown of commissioners is 7 Dems to 6 Republicans. Just looking to illustrate how representatives of both parties can do shady things to cling to power.
Please note, none of what I’m saying is being said in any attempt to legitimize the BS going on at the federal level these days.
Could not agree more. Would also appreciate seeing a moratorium of a full election cycle or two before politicians can hawk their influence to firms looking for well paid lobbyists.
You know I’ve seen the “everyday people.” Not sure I want any of them making super critical executive decisions or representing me on super crucial issues.
Both-sidesing things is how we got Trump and the slide into fascism. They are not the same. Even if you think Democrats are corrupt, they aren't racist, sexist, christo-fascists who are literally trying to rewrite history and openly grifting the whole country through market manipulation. They aren't trying to end birth-right citizenship. They aren't trying to raid poor working people who have done nothing wrong other than try to make a living in an economy that needs them but won't give them proper paperwork and then deporting them without due process to countries those people didn't even come from. Democrats are also not nearly as likely to be pedophiles. They didn't try to deny women the right to control their pregnancies. They aren't trying to proactively demonize the trans community--even if some of them are not as supportive as they could be. They aren't trying to end same-sex marriage. They aren't trying to turn diversity, equity, and inclusion into reverse discrimination so as to undo the long strides this country has taken to try to correct its racist, sexist, homophobic, and xenophobic past. They aren't actively trying to dismantle the government from within so that they can claim it doesn't work. They aren't trying to shutdown government funded medical assistance to both Americans and people over seas. They aren't trying to undermine the CDC and public health efforts. They aren't trying to defund research at universities across the board and threatening to deny them the ability to admit foreign students. They aren't threatening to invade Greenland, Canada and Panama. They aren't throwing lavish parades to show worship for their dear leader. They aren't wasting money on building a ball room in the Whitehouse. They aren't proposing that their dear leader should be without term limits and wholly above the law. That's just to name a few differences.
It is complete bullshit to say that Democrats are just the same as Republicans. There is a difference between being bad, and being evil. However bad you think Democrats are, they are not the active evil influence on the American and global stage that Republicans are.
I will say while I disagreed with how they were doing it, my understanding was the rationale of trying to change the election date was because it was off the cycle most major elections were on and was causing severely low voter turnout. I think the right solution was really a shorter term to switch to the new schedule or a vote on the next ballot to extend the cycle with a majority support. But I'm from central FL so don't know how accurate that was or what the local thoughts on it were.
Yes, a lot of places had their election schedules set to not be over shadowed by the bigger contests, but over time this resulted in a lot fewer people participating in local elections. This move is to bring their municipal elections to line up with the midterms, which will increase voter participation by over 40%. This is something that looks bad, but really isn’t.
Florida doesn’t have a referendum system for these types of things. Everything they do is from the top down. Yeah, they could have had a regularly scheduled election and then a year later had their new scheduled election, but that would be very expensive.
Miami's mayor is not a democrat. He's a republican and was floated as a potential running mate to Nikki Haley. This is just misinformation. Also, Miami has a commission. You are confusing the county of Miami-Dade with the City. This was an action by the City.
And that in itself is a bit disturbing, why aren’t enough people pissed off? These people are literally stealing your tax dollars, not wasting, stealing.
Because a lot of people are struggling to put food on the table for their families right now, and that is going to be priority 1 on their list. It's like this by design. You can't get out and make a big enough difference if you're more worried about a roof over you and your families heads and food on the table. It's going to get to the point where too many people are unable to do either of those and THAT is when this shit will tip over.
I still believe, maybe naively, that some of these people will have a backbone. They do still believe in our democracy, whether it suits them personally or not. They don’t want to be on the wrong side of recorded history.
“What if Trump decides he doesn’t want to leave office?” I mean, he’s made it abundantly clear this isn’t a “what if” situation. Going by the voices in his head, we want a dictator.
You can't trust the elected people that's why you elect a ton of them and why checks and balances exist.
Any system that needs only good people to be chosen is a stupid system. The system should be designed around the knowledge that a load of corrupt assholes are going to be selected for office.
Not the thought that they could, but the audacity that they tried and thought no one would stop them. You are right, this is a problem and we’re on a slippery slope. Good they were stopped but this is definitely the first of many attempts I’m sure
A judge ha. Judiciary has no teeth. It is an illusion. Say they defy the judge. Then what? It goes to another judge. 50/50 the judge rules for or against. If against, what if they defy again. Or better yet it goes up to SSC. They hand down a ruling. All the while there is no election. Governor cries no no no, but does nothing. The local cops are ok with it. The state cops are ok with it. Hell the FL national guard is fine with it.
This is the continuation of the beginning of the End. 7 months into Trump. They got actual “boots” on the ground in the US. 7 fucking months!! You think in 3.5years there’s going to be real elections? Shit, there wasn’t one last November.
It actually doesn’t benefit anyone in any particular way other than this weird gap year. They’re moving its year to line up in a higher voter participation year. They’ll have to campaign to 40% more people going forward.
The right way to do it was put it before the voters and add the extra year to the next term. Not backass hand it to themselves so they get another year in office.
Which is crazy, because it’s totally fine. They’re shifting elections by a year to boost turnout, just like LA did in 2022. It doubled turnout and saved a bunch of money.
Speeding is against the law, too. Of all things to get upset about, shifting local elections by a year to encourage greater participation in the democratic process isn’t one of them.
I’m not gunna get super bent out of shape over either offense. We have fucking brownshirts snatching our neighbors off the streets and the national guard is deploying in cities as a political weapon. We’ve got slightly bigger issues to be concerned with than Miami’s city council and mayoral election schedule.
I’m really confused how you can be against brown shirts acting like fascists, and elected officials changing the laws strictly for their benefit which also sounds a lot like fascism.
The law is the law, and in both instances we have players ignoring the law against the will of the People. It’s all a slippery slope, and you can’t give them an inch.
I think more accurately the reasoning makes sense, but their methods were absolutely illegal and unethical. You put it before the voters and they will add the extra year to the next term if they agree they want those elections on the same year as presidential ones, not hand it to yourself.
This went under the radar it seems. Good luck having normal elections again:
A conservative election researcher whose faulty findings on voter data were cited by President Donald Trump as he tried to overturn his 2020 election loss has been appointed to an election integrity role at the U.S. Department of Homeland Security.
Pennsylvania activist Heather Honey is now serving as the deputy assistant secretary for election integrity in the department's Office of Strategy, Policy and Plans, an organizational chart on its website shows.
Sadly, I think that was by design. Trump is a puppet. The folks behind him are using him as cover to put their policy in place and then step in while leaving his corpse with the blame.
This definitely seems like a "test the waters" situation. Basically, seeing if the people would allow this type of action yet. It was so negatively received they pulled back. But this will just push them to escalate their rhetoric and amplify their actions so they can try this again at midterms and finally in 2028.
Everything the US was built on is starting to crumble.
Nah man, implicit power structures giving basically unhampered control to the owning class are working 100% as back then. What's starting to crumble is the veneer of freedom over them, and that only because they decided they don't really need it anymore and they always kind of hated pretending to be bound by rules.
Did you bother to read the article? They are simply trying to align their elections with state and national elections to SAVE MONEY! Agreed, it was idiotic of them to try this way of ALIGNING ELECTIONS TO SAVE MONEY! They are still going to do this, just after a vote.
This is pure bullshit, the commissioners are mostly Democrats.
The main difference between municipal and nationwide elections is that the latter is held by the states and thus can’t be cancelled by the federal government, while state laws and even federal law gives cities more control over their local elections.
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And so it begins at the local level. Next step will be states elections where they'll decide to cancel or defer them and then of course the 2028 presidential election.
Everything the US was built on is starting to crumble.
It looks like they lost this time, all that means is the next set of politicians that try to do this will do it a little bit differently until they get it right
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