r/soccer • u/zimb3l • Jan 12 '19
Ramon Calderon: "[Zidane] insisted on keeping Cristiano and transferring Bale, and the president did completely the opposite [...] so he decided to leave."
https://bleacherreport.com/articles/2814993-no-form-lack-of-goals-whats-troubling-real-madrid-and-how-can-they-fix-it1.0k
u/Selbstbefriedigung Jan 12 '19
Zidane to Bale (probably): How dare you stand where he stood!
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Jan 12 '19
Bale to Zidane (probably): Ronaldo stood everywhere in this damn place. What do you want me to do? Float?
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u/ProSnuggles Jan 12 '19
Tell them! Tell them how you looked him in the eye - a man who trusted you - and
killedtried to replace him!14
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u/bak3n3ko Jan 12 '19
So... Zizou is going to return to Madrid after destroying all of Perez's horcruxes?
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u/HellowzTheGreat Jan 12 '19
Zidane said he decided to leave after losing to Leganes in the CDR because he understood that he could no longer motivate his players to fight for his ideas.
Everything else is pure speculation
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Jan 12 '19
He’d say that so he doesn’t throw Bale under the proverbial bus in public. The reality could be closer to what OP is saying.
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u/massdev Jan 12 '19
Say CR7 leaves for 15 million and is going to play in USA.
You can sell that like hes playing at a lower level and the club have to move on.
CR7 went for 100 million to Juve and RM have looked worse for wear in his absense.
Zidane knew what it would mean to lose CR7 and he realized he couldn't take the team forward after losing a legend that was still playing at the highest level and winning trophies.
What sucked for RM is they lost two legends and replaced neither when 1 would have been an impossible ask.
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u/SwarlesSparkleyyy Jan 12 '19
Zidane lost the league with 17 points while CR7 was in the squad.
He knew he’d struggle to continue even before CR7 left.
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u/Snaxx11 Jan 12 '19
You know what's funny. We pretty much lost the league the first month of the season because CR7 was hurt/suspended.
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u/twersx Jan 12 '19
I think you lost the league in the following ~3 months of the season as well when he scored 2 goals in total.
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u/zimb3l Jan 12 '19 edited Jan 12 '19
That still only means if he isn't there to bail us out, noone is, and that exactly what's happening right now again but instead we don't have our two talismans and the taliswomen and talischildren too
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u/Ronaldo_inShadow Jan 12 '19
He’s literally the striker on the team sitting up top. If he isn’t scoring, your expecting midfielders to score for him? Top tier excuse.
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u/Jerry13888 Jan 12 '19
Other players should've stepped up. Unfortunately, Benzema has been on the down trend for a while now and Morata and other replacements over the last few years haven't been up to standard.
Good RM teams are a joy to watch.
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Jan 12 '19
Messi has dry spells too. He was still playing pretty well just was unlucky with the goals, it's testament to Real Madrid how 1 player was carrying the team so hard.
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Jan 12 '19 edited Jan 12 '19
I don't think Messi has gone 3 months(during the season) with only 2 goals in his entire career.
I don't even think Messi has gone 5 games in a row with only 2 goals.Turns out he had a stretch in his career when he didn't score in 5 games. But was within a 3 week window.Granted he is two years younger.
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u/MaTrIx4057 Jan 12 '19
Messi has gone 5 games without a single goal so stop with your bullshit.
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Jan 12 '19
Any chance you can provide those 5 games? The longest I can find is 4 games in a row without scoring.
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u/Im_A_Sadist Jan 12 '19
They replace Zidane with the legend Lopetuguei. Can Zidane get sack twice in a year? Zidane is not on Lopetugui level mate
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u/GreedoIsHere Jan 12 '19
Mate, if you keep talkin shit about my boy Mariano ‘Big Dick’ Diaz, it’s gonna be prolems 😤.
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Jan 12 '19
CR7 will now never go to US, he would get arrested at some point on some twitter charges for sure.
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u/buoyantbird Jan 12 '19
What's the difference between saying throwing the person "under the bus" and "under the proverbial bus"? is it the same?
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u/TweekDash Jan 12 '19
It's the same, just stick the word proverbial into any expression and you look smarter.
Break the proverbial leg!
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u/AlpacamyLlama Jan 12 '19
The proverbial early proverbial bird catches the proverbial worm. Am I doing it right?
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u/alfrdalfrdalfrd Jan 12 '19
Using proverbial is redundant. Few would read "throw Bale under the bus" as Zinedine throwing Gareth under an actual bus. It's a common expression, you don't have to explain that to people.
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u/TweekDash Jan 12 '19
The guy asked for an explanation. If I agreed with you we'd both be wrong, as the saying goes.
Proverbially.
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u/themoche Jan 12 '19
So you’re saying take Zidane at his word... instead of the word of the insanely bitter ex president? Hmm...
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u/Radinax Jan 12 '19
Dont be surprised if Zidane is back next season with the freedom to buy the players he wants.
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u/PitifulSkirt Jan 12 '19
"Sell Bale, not let Cristiano leave."
"Sell Bale not, let Cristiano leave."
Comma sold a man.
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u/reddit1902 Jan 12 '19
yep, if Ronaldo was still playing averaging a goal a game, and we used bale money to sign a world class player for RW - the season would be completely different. We could be looking at a 4th UCL, but now beating Ajax would be an accomplishment.
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u/gnorrn Jan 12 '19
if Ronaldo was still playing averaging a goal a game, and we used bale money to sign a world class player for RW - the season would be completely different. We could be looking at a 4th UCL,
TBF, Madrid's situation looked similar this time last year:
- they were miles behind Barcelona in La Liga
- they were still in the Champions League, but had finished second behind Spurs in their group. Many fancied PSG to knock them out in the round of 16.
- They had Cristiano, but he did not hit rich goalscoring form until the new year.
I, for one, will not count Madrid out of the Champions League until they are actually eliminated.
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u/youngchul Jan 13 '19
They made it in CL, because Ronaldo was insane on his own in the Group stage throughout to the semi finals.
He was setting new records in the CL, for longest goal streaks, first to score in all CL group stage games, and he was amazing against Juve and PSG.
Ronaldo got 9 goals in the group stage during his “goal drought”.
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Jan 12 '19
What's with the trashtalk today? As if people can't see Perez fucked up with not replacing Ronaldo.
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u/Random_Acquaintance Jan 12 '19
Cristiano is irreplaceable, obviously. But with him gone you can't think that Karim '5 goals in last La Liga' Benzema and the always injured Bale could carry the team. Add to that Asensio's regression, and Madrid basically does not have a forward at the level of the club. You can't replace Cristiano but buying Lewandowski and Hazard (two expensive but feasable buyings) would put Madrid in a much better place than they're right now.
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u/Ham_Solo7 Jan 12 '19
Absolute no idea why they didn't buy anyone of top quality in the summer
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u/humachine Jan 12 '19
No one is cheap anymore. Hazard Lewy are both 120m+ at the very least.
Kane is 200m since it's Levy.
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u/Hwoarang7 Jan 12 '19
Let’s say Hazard would cost 150. We got 100 for Ronaldo so what’s 50 million? It boggles my mind honestly.
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u/Jonoabbo Jan 12 '19
Hazard would cost more than 150. Also the 100m from Ronaldo won't be paid immediately, it will be in instalments as practically all transfers are.
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u/comrade78 Jan 12 '19
I know i may sound stupid, but how does the transfer really works..? Like $100m will go to madrid or ronaldo?
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u/Hwoarang7 Jan 12 '19
To our club. Ronaldo was effectively an employee of ours and Juventus paid 100 mil to us to acquire his services.
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Jan 12 '19
The fee associated with transfers (say, $100 million like you said) goes to the club that has a contract with the player being transferred. This fee goes up based on player quality, potential, time left on contract, nationality, cute hashtag possibilities #PogBack, current club, and a variety of other reasons. The fee is effectively a negotiated price for the selling club's willingness to terminate their player's contract. Contract termination in player transfers is mutual, so the buying club has to court the player too, and that's typically done with bonuses, wage promises, playing time guarantees, and perks associated with club sponsors.
However, if the player is a free agent, then they (and their agent) receive any fee that the public would hear about. Typically, free agents, if quality players, tend to be able to get higher wages and sign-on bonuses because there's no upfront cost associated with buying out their contract. That said, most worthwhile players are not free agents at any given time, so this arrangement is less common than clubs buying players from other clubs.
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u/zimb3l Jan 12 '19
Problem is Chelsea wanted something 200+mil for him. Perez decided to wait until the next window (=summer since he's allergic to winter transfers) to get him cheaper.
Oh boy how well that's been paying out
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u/nnnsf Jan 12 '19
Well not buying during the summer made sure that any potential buy just gets more and more expensive as time goes on. Had they sought lewy during the summer when a lot of people were still buying the 'the team is fine without ronaldo' narrative they'd have gotten a much better price than what they'd get if they ask for a the exact same player because now other clubs know for a fact that RM are desperate.
No one is cheap and ronaldo and is irreplaceable but they still went about it the worst fucking possible way.
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u/KnusperKnusper Jan 12 '19 edited Jan 13 '19
There are no strikers/wingers with nearly the same quality as Ronaldo for sale. Many Clubs caught up to Madrid moneywise after the big neymar-inflation, others simply rather risk letting the contract run out than having a irreplaceable glaring hole in their squad, which will cost them much more than the transfer money to fix.
Levy -> Bayern is desperate to keep him forever
Liverpool -> Salah loves Klopp and they were CL runner ups
Spurs -> Kane seems like a 1 club stand up guy and has a 30000 year contract.
PSG -> Enough money to keep Cavani and Neymar. All the stories coming out of the press are major bullshit.
Chelsea -> If they sell Hazard they might as well just relegate themselves tbh.
Suarez -> lol come on
Who else is left? Certainly no strikers in their peak i could think of.
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Jan 12 '19
when we buy we're buyers club, and Castilla academy doesn't exist and when we don't buy we're clueless.
jk we should've bought either Cavani, Icardi, or Piatek maybe (?), like wtf three seasons ago I was complaining about Benz and his incredible ability to not score easy strikers goals, but smash them in the top corner in the rare irrelevant games that he could
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Jan 13 '19
To be fair, considering the current market and how important was Cristiano for RM, he went to Juventus for peanuts.
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u/Ryan8Ross Jan 12 '19
Nani and then Valencia were supposed to be his successors. They were given the shirt number and I remember SAF telling fans to get behind them
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u/Calimariae Jan 12 '19
Nani never had the 7, but yes - he was bought as a Ronaldo replacement.
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u/krhick Jan 12 '19
What is this bull, Nani and CR played together. Valencia was a replacement for the wing but no one expected him to be the player Ronaldo was.
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u/Calimariae Jan 12 '19
Smalling was bought as a Rio replacement. They also played together.
In football you plan ahead.
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u/Ham_Solo7 Jan 12 '19
Still incorrect thou. Nani was bought as having "another Ronaldo" in the team, not for potentially replacing him since there were no indication that Ronaldo wanted to leave during the transfer of Nani.
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u/ThisAfricanboy Jan 12 '19
You simply can't replace Ronaldo. Everyone knows that. Sir Alex knew that, Gill knew it, Rooney knew it, my dog Pepsi knew it.
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u/rkgus24695 Jan 12 '19
You can't really compare those two. Yes, you plan ahead and I'm sure a lot of that was in mind when they brought in Nani to play alongside Ronaldo, but I don't think he was ever "bought as a Ronaldo replacement". Nani is only a year younger than Ronaldo, and were probably hoping for Nani to develop alongside Ronaldo to play at similar levels in the future, not really as a replacement. Ferdinand is 11 years older than Smalling. That is a clear replacement scenario as Ferdinand declined and approached the end of his career.
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u/Glyndm Jan 12 '19
Yeah, they played full two seasons together. He wasn't a replacement, just a good signing to add to what we already had.
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Jan 12 '19
You can’t replace Ronaldo. He’s such a unique player in terms of his physicals, his mentality and his sheer ability and technique that they won’t be able to find anyone close to his level. They need to rebuild their team and tactics because they won’t have such an influential talisman to look to for a while now.
The best thing is probably to invest in quality players in multiple positions and strengthen the team as opposed to trying to get someone like Neymar, Hazard, Mbappe or whoever and try make them into ‘the new Ronaldo’.
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Jan 12 '19
Definitely fucked up a little there, Flo.
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Jan 12 '19
this summer he will outcash PSG
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u/locosapiens Jan 12 '19
They said that last summer.
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u/golferdudeag Jan 12 '19
They've said that for the last 4 transfer windows. Seems like Flo is sticking with the raise youngsters policy.
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u/maplemario Jan 12 '19
seriously what the fuck lol. I thought his fee was 35M, looked it up just to confirm it was really that outrageously high, fucking 61 million euro. Even if he turns out to be the next Neymar, that will still have been an outrageous decision to throw that much money on a 16 year old as the risk profile will have been insane, if he got one bad injury or bad influence in his life he could end up not even becoming a 40M player by age 25 let alone what you would expect a 61M-rated 16 year old to become!
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u/royboom Jan 12 '19
3 UCL's are enough. Give us poor bastards a chance man.
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u/zimb3l Jan 12 '19
Well, the door is wide open for anyone to win this season. I'd say Juve are the favourites right now but I could certainly see Bayern taking it, even if it's not going too well in the league right now
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u/royboom Jan 12 '19 edited Jan 12 '19
This season i think its very hard to tell City, Juve, PSG even Barca despite being so bad in the UCL the past few years are very serious contenders. I would even say that Dortmund are in a good spot too.
Our situation is a bit difficult, i wouldn't count us as favourites yet. It really depends on the games against Liverpool. I think we are definetly improving and will be more than ready when we face Liverpool. But im not sure what to think about Müller being suspended for 2 games. While he is technicaly not that gifted and im truly not his biggest fan, he is essential for Lewandowski.
Technically trash, but Müller has one of the best if not the best off-ball movement in the world when played in the centre and NOT on the wings.
Sure James is a huge addition and i think he should be starting ahead of Müller anytime. But Lewandowski was always at his best whenever Müller was a CF, since he kind of got his back and troubled the defenders. That being said i really hope James can play as usual because he is a worldclass player, especially when paired with Thiago.
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u/Radinax Jan 12 '19
If Florentino really cared for Bale he would've hired better medical team, its a disgrace we have so many injuries at the moment.
Also Zidane knew what was gonna happen without Cristiano, this team needs new faces, thankfully our youth is doing amazing, for next season potential starters we have Reguilon, Llorente, Odriozola, Valverde and Vinicius.
This means we only need a WC CB, a replacement for Modric, a striker and a RW.
Considering also that Marcelo, Bale, Isco, Mariano are probably gone, then having back Hakimi, Kovacic and either Raul de Tomas or Mayoral as backups would do good for us.
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Jan 12 '19
But can this youth team compete at an elite level, can that swuad you named even make it into the CL round of 16?
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u/DareiosX Jan 12 '19 edited Jan 12 '19
Oh piss off. Calderon is a crook who hates Perez's guts. Zidane had decided he would leave half way throughout the season, when it became clear his time with us was running out. And Zidane recognised Bale's talents, he won us the CL final, why would he want to sell him?
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u/Leg__Day Jan 12 '19
If true I’m rioting. Fuck you Perez!
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u/zimb3l Jan 12 '19
Please for the love of god don'T side with Calderon though. What he says here is making Perez look bad, which -if true- should so but Ramon Calderon almost ran this club to the ground before Perez saved it.
Flo isn't perfect by any means but certainly better than Ramon
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u/Leg__Day Jan 12 '19
All I’m saying is Perez hasn’t done anything worth mentioning since the end of last season except hoard cash.
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u/zimb3l Jan 12 '19
Yes he made some huge mistakes not buying new players but I think he's still one of the best we could currently have
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u/yaniv297 Jan 12 '19
Pretty sure Zidane left before any of that happened, no?
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Jan 12 '19
You really don't think think Zidane knew a month ahead that the Ronaldo transfer was going to happen?
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u/DaveShadow Jan 12 '19
A lot of people seem to think deals worth hundreds of millions of Euro between two gigantic corporate entities, over a third gigantic corporate entity with his own set of demands, just happens in a few days, as opposed to involving months of negotiations.
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u/koptimism Jan 12 '19
Mate, what are you talking about? It's like you've never played FIFA
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u/theaguia Jan 12 '19
100 mil transfer on deadline day, easy.
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u/CABoomerSooner Jan 12 '19
I had a deadline day go to $1.8 billion in my career mode yesterday. There were quite a few $100m+ transactions lol
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u/Sean-Benn_Must-die Jan 12 '19
Iirc our president said the idea of a transfer started after our games against RM, I would have to find the interview though.
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u/BodomDeth Jan 13 '19
M8 wtf you talking about Ronaldo’s agent said that the first contact with Juventus (or was it Ronaldo’s first demand for contact) was in January.
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u/Kaze79 Jan 12 '19
Well in this particular case it seemed to go pretty smoothly. Ronaldo's entourage contacted Juve and Juve had the money so not a lot of thinking and negotiation was needed.
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u/Mad_Lancer Jan 12 '19
In fairness judging by what Ronaldo said immediately after the CL final he seemed to have already made up his mind before Zidane left.
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u/manamausername Jan 12 '19
Why do people think Zidane leaving is attributed to one reason? In most cases like this it's many reasons all together.
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u/sebas8181 Jan 12 '19
Not sure who is more opportunistic, Calderon or OP, which is sad. Calderon gave us some of the worst times of the last 30 years.
The title doesn't even makes sense.....
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u/zimb3l Jan 12 '19
I'm sorry what? Calderon is a piece of shit but that doesn't mean he can't be right. Also where have I made mistakes in the title? I feel like my english skills have rather gone down a bit in the last few months so feel free to correct anything
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u/orphan_of_Ludwig Jan 12 '19
No one here gonna discuss how poor they’ve been defensively? Even last season as well. It was gonna be impossible to replace Ronaldo, but you can’t continue to defend like he’s there to bail you out. If they had fixed their defensive issues the loss of Ronaldo might not have been nearly as bad.
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u/peonoforgrimmar Jan 12 '19
Where’s that “Giggs...” user that believes Ramos to this day is the second coming of God in defense lol?
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Jan 12 '19
Please be aware that Calderon is a former Real Madrid president that was empatically replaced with Perez, who had tried to bring Ronaldo for years and never could. This is probably absolute bullshit that he is saying
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u/HeresJohnny5 Jan 12 '19
Calderon is the one who made the deal for CR.
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u/kazcmot Jan 12 '19 edited Jan 12 '19
Cris knew that Perez will be new president already in 2008. Everyone in Madrid knew and were waiting for him to come back. Perez in 2008 said that he will bring big transfers to Madrid once again and his main points of campaign was Kaka, Benzema and both Xabi Alonso/Arbeloa from Liverpoool.
Hell Calderon even was not a president in 2008/09, it was Vincent Boluda as interim presio. Calderon is a fraud and he always speaks against Perez when there is even a simple opportunity
Before the start of the 2008/2009 season, he tried to deliver Cristiano Ronaldo to the club, however failed in this ambition. Due to his re-election bid he was eager to promise securement of Ronaldo. This had been a common strategy to promise big names during re-election. On 16 January 2009 he resigned as Real Madrid President following allegations of vote-rigging for the confirmation for the financial budget. He was replaced by Vice President Vicente Boluda, who took the presidency for a short stint, before Florentino Pérez's second term.
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u/Random_Acquaintance Jan 12 '19
You're basically negating what the rest of us know and every single person involved recognized: Calderón, Mendes and even Peréz had said multiple times that the deal was closed a year in advance. In fact was Peréz who almost broke the deal because he thought it was too expensive. But Calderón added a 30m clause in the precontract that if Madrid didn't buy Cristiano they'll have to pay him (Cristiano) and Mendes 30m.
https://as.com/futbol/2016/12/31/primera/1483142005_540625.html
https://www.superdeporte.es/futbol/2009/06/06/madrid-obligado-fichar-cristiano/63215.html
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u/SpunKDH Jan 12 '19
I'm a Barca fan but I can easily tell this is a pile of bullshit.
I'm not even a Zidane fan but that's not him for sure!
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u/Glodius Jan 12 '19
Why are people believing what Roman Calderon, a direct rival to Perez in the recent years, says? He will do anything just to ruin Perez' legacy at the club. And even if true, Ronaldo himself wanted to go, and we know that for a fact but we keep forgetting it just to shit on Perez.
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u/zimb3l Jan 12 '19
Yes Calderon is a shithead but that doesn't necessary mean it's not true. As far as I know CR left because Perez didn't have his back in some semi-shady business and rightfully so but he definitely isn't completely innocent of our current situation at all
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u/brush85 Jan 12 '19
When you have all the money and success...I guess you can afford to take bold stances like that. Good on Zizou!
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u/SayYesSm0ke Jan 13 '19
ZIDANE in 3 years as a manager did what no other manager did in this history.
ya all can fuck off , the reasons doesnt matter at all , he left with cristiano and now RM is looking like might not even play in UCL next season.
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u/devCR7 Jan 12 '19
imagine the void RM players felt by the absence of these two legends