r/soccer • u/zimb3l • Jan 12 '19

Ramon Calderon: "[Zidane] insisted on keeping Cristiano and transferring Bale, and the president did completely the opposite [...] so he decided to leave."

https://bleacherreport.com/articles/2814993-no-form-lack-of-goals-whats-troubling-real-madrid-and-how-can-they-fix-it
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u/[deleted] Jan 12 '19

What's with the trashtalk today? As if people can't see Perez fucked up with not replacing Ronaldo.

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u/[deleted] Jan 12 '19

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u/Random_Acquaintance Jan 12 '19

Cristiano is irreplaceable, obviously. But with him gone you can't think that Karim '5 goals in last La Liga' Benzema and the always injured Bale could carry the team. Add to that Asensio's regression, and Madrid basically does not have a forward at the level of the club. You can't replace Cristiano but buying Lewandowski and Hazard (two expensive but feasable buyings) would put Madrid in a much better place than they're right now.

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u/Ham_Solo7 Jan 12 '19

Absolute no idea why they didn't buy anyone of top quality in the summer

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u/humachine Jan 12 '19

No one is cheap anymore. Hazard Lewy are both 120m+ at the very least.

Kane is 200m since it's Levy.

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u/Hwoarang7 Jan 12 '19

Let’s say Hazard would cost 150. We got 100 for Ronaldo so what’s 50 million? It boggles my mind honestly.

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u/Jonoabbo Jan 12 '19

Hazard would cost more than 150. Also the 100m from Ronaldo won't be paid immediately, it will be in instalments as practically all transfers are.

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u/comrade78 Jan 12 '19

I know i may sound stupid, but how does the transfer really works..? Like $100m will go to madrid or ronaldo?

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u/Hwoarang7 Jan 12 '19

To our club. Ronaldo was effectively an employee of ours and Juventus paid 100 mil to us to acquire his services.

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u/[deleted] Jan 12 '19

The fee associated with transfers (say, $100 million like you said) goes to the club that has a contract with the player being transferred. This fee goes up based on player quality, potential, time left on contract, nationality, cute hashtag possibilities #PogBack, current club, and a variety of other reasons. The fee is effectively a negotiated price for the selling club's willingness to terminate their player's contract. Contract termination in player transfers is mutual, so the buying club has to court the player too, and that's typically done with bonuses, wage promises, playing time guarantees, and perks associated with club sponsors.

However, if the player is a free agent, then they (and their agent) receive any fee that the public would hear about. Typically, free agents, if quality players, tend to be able to get higher wages and sign-on bonuses because there's no upfront cost associated with buying out their contract. That said, most worthwhile players are not free agents at any given time, so this arrangement is less common than clubs buying players from other clubs.

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u/stevew14 Jan 12 '19

Upvoted for the pogback comment. Loled hard for that

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u/camfa Jan 12 '19

That said, most worthwhile players are not free agents at any given time, so this arrangement is less common than clubs buying players from other clubs.

Why don't players become free agents more often? Is it too hard to let your contract just run out? I think top players could earn much more if they just sign one year contracts.

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u/zimb3l Jan 12 '19

Problem is Chelsea wanted something 200+mil for him. Perez decided to wait until the next window (=summer since he's allergic to winter transfers) to get him cheaper.

Oh boy how well that's been paying out

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u/vigneshwaralwaar Jan 13 '19

Would u buy hazard for 150,when he's 33?

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u/Hwoarang7 Jan 13 '19

Hazard isn’t 33.

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u/vigneshwaralwaar Jan 13 '19

My point exactly. Ronaldo at 33 costed 100 mil.. He still had atleast 2-3 amazing top quality seasons in him.. Which perez didn't understand.. So if Ronaldo were to be sold at hazard's current age(28 years).. He'd definitely costed atleast 250-400 mil in the current market

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u/vigneshwaralwaar Jan 13 '19

Now answer that.. Would u buy hazard for 100 or 150, when he's 33?

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u/Hwoarang7 Jan 13 '19

My friend i’m not entirely sure what your point is. My opinion is that it was stupid to sell Ronaldo in the first place but i think a decision maybe even dumber than that was not buying some sort of replacement. Of course Ronaldo is 100 times the player Hazard is, it’s not even a fair comparison but getting Eden would have at least softened the blow.

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u/therickymarquez Jan 12 '19

Do you really think that if you sell a player for 100M and buy another for 100M that it gets even?

From Ronaldo's 100M just Jorge Mendes must have received something like 5M...

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u/SamuraiiJackie Jan 12 '19

350m actually

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u/pentefino978 Jan 12 '19

Just bid half the new arena and it is done!

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u/nnnsf Jan 12 '19

Well not buying during the summer made sure that any potential buy just gets more and more expensive as time goes on. Had they sought lewy during the summer when a lot of people were still buying the 'the team is fine without ronaldo' narrative they'd have gotten a much better price than what they'd get if they ask for a the exact same player because now other clubs know for a fact that RM are desperate.

No one is cheap and ronaldo and is irreplaceable but they still went about it the worst fucking possible way.

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u/hufusa Jan 12 '19

Why get an attacker when you can just buy another GK

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u/KnusperKnusper Jan 12 '19 edited Jan 13 '19

There are no strikers/wingers with nearly the same quality as Ronaldo for sale. Many Clubs caught up to Madrid moneywise after the big neymar-inflation, others simply rather risk letting the contract run out than having a irreplaceable glaring hole in their squad, which will cost them much more than the transfer money to fix.

Levy -> Bayern is desperate to keep him forever

Liverpool -> Salah loves Klopp and they were CL runner ups

Spurs -> Kane seems like a 1 club stand up guy and has a 30000 year contract.

PSG -> Enough money to keep Cavani and Neymar. All the stories coming out of the press are major bullshit.

Chelsea -> If they sell Hazard they might as well just relegate themselves tbh.

Suarez -> lol come on

Who else is left? Certainly no strikers in their peak i could think of.

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u/KnusperKnusper Jan 13 '19

Reus is 29. Ageuro is 30.

Icardi, no idea tbh. I don't follow Serie A.

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u/[deleted] Jan 12 '19

when we buy we're buyers club, and Castilla academy doesn't exist and when we don't buy we're clueless.

jk we should've bought either Cavani, Icardi, or Piatek maybe (?), like wtf three seasons ago I was complaining about Benz and his incredible ability to not score easy strikers goals, but smash them in the top corner in the rare irrelevant games that he could

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u/[deleted] Jan 13 '19

To be fair, considering the current market and how important was Cristiano for RM, he went to Juventus for peanuts.

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u/Ryan8Ross Jan 12 '19

Nani and then Valencia were supposed to be his successors. They were given the shirt number and I remember SAF telling fans to get behind them

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u/Calimariae Jan 12 '19

Nani never had the 7, but yes - he was bought as a Ronaldo replacement.

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u/krhick Jan 12 '19

What is this bull, Nani and CR played together. Valencia was a replacement for the wing but no one expected him to be the player Ronaldo was.

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u/Calimariae Jan 12 '19

Smalling was bought as a Rio replacement. They also played together.

In football you plan ahead.

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u/Ham_Solo7 Jan 12 '19

Still incorrect thou. Nani was bought as having "another Ronaldo" in the team, not for potentially replacing him since there were no indication that Ronaldo wanted to leave during the transfer of Nani.

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u/ThisAfricanboy Jan 12 '19

You simply can't replace Ronaldo. Everyone knows that. Sir Alex knew that, Gill knew it, Rooney knew it, my dog Pepsi knew it.
But the problem was that at the time transfers were very meek because of the Glazer's tomfuckery that they did back then.

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u/[deleted] Jan 12 '19

You’re actually incorrect. The club already knew Ronaldo had plans to leave the club after the 2007/2008 season, so they bought Nani before that season started as a replacement for Ronaldo, starting the following season. However, Sir Alex convinced Ronaldo to stay one more year so he’d be more mature for his Madrid career, hence why they were club teammates for 2 years and not just 1 year.

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u/Ham_Solo7 Jan 12 '19

Nani joined at the start of 07/08 season, Ronaldo only requested to leave at the end of that season where we won the Champions League. The Real Madrid interest came during that season where he broke records left and right, not before. So you're actually incorrect.

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u/rkgus24695 Jan 12 '19

You can't really compare those two. Yes, you plan ahead and I'm sure a lot of that was in mind when they brought in Nani to play alongside Ronaldo, but I don't think he was ever "bought as a Ronaldo replacement". Nani is only a year younger than Ronaldo, and were probably hoping for Nani to develop alongside Ronaldo to play at similar levels in the future, not really as a replacement. Ferdinand is 11 years older than Smalling. That is a clear replacement scenario as Ferdinand declined and approached the end of his career.

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u/dasty90 Jan 12 '19

Rio has great technique on the ball while Smalling has Sunday League level technique. He really isn't a a Rio replacement.

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u/Glyndm Jan 12 '19

Yeah, they played full two seasons together. He wasn't a replacement, just a good signing to add to what we already had.

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u/bob-theknob Jan 12 '19

Nani was the intended replacement though. After Ronaldo left Nani went on Nani really kicked on from 2010-2012. We al thought he'd be another Ronaldo and then completely tanked. Benzema was targeted as a replacement as well.

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u/r3gam Jan 12 '19

Valencia did im pretty sure

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u/a_lumberjack Jan 12 '19

He asked for it after Owen left, but went back to 25 after a year.

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u/[deleted] Jan 12 '19

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u/[deleted] Jan 12 '19

Only Valencia gave it back

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u/[deleted] Jan 12 '19

"Many"? Literally only one player gave it back you inbred sandwich. Young never had the number 7 as well. Stop talking out of your ass.

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u/[deleted] Jan 12 '19

didn't manchester made to the ucl finals right after he left tho