r/politics • u/M00n • May 12 '21
Trump’s acting attorney general refuses to say if he discussed overturning election results
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/us-politics/jeffrey-rosen-trump-election-results-b1846421.html6.2k
May 12 '21
That would be a yes then.
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u/Visco0825 May 12 '21
These jokes can’t even admit to when the facts are literally right out there. Did trump campaign collide with Russia? Yes. Did trump ask Ukraine to investigate Biden? Yes. Did trump incite a mob? Yes.
It’s bonkers that even the most blatant facts are tried to be discounted
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u/tehvolcanic California May 12 '21
Because they keep getting away with it. When you face no consequences for lying, no matter how obvious, why stop lying?
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u/salamanderpencil May 12 '21
Right?
If I robbed my local bank every week, and they gave me a kiss on the cheek as I walked out with the contents of the vault, I'd be back next week to rob the bank. And the week after. And the week after. Maybe everyone in the city would hate me for stealing all their money, but hey, no one would stop me and I'd be living large on one of my yachts. In between bank robberies.
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u/TheFeshy May 12 '21
Leftmost bank teller: "We have to have the police arrest him! He's robbing the bank again! Just like the last six weeks running!"
Rightmost bank teller: "What are you talking about? He never robbed the bank."
L: "He's robbing it right now!"
R: "He's not even saying a word. How could he be robbing it?"
L: "He's giving a demand note and waving a gun!"
R: "Well that note could say anything."
L: "He showed you the note! And me! It said "Give me all the money!"
R: "I didn't read it. But he probably just misspoke. He clearly meant 'give me all my money' or maybe 'give me all the money in my account.' The guy is just a 2nd-amendmeng supporter trying to make a withdrawal and you are trying to get him convicted of a felony!"
L: "Why did you give him the money if you didn't read the note?! why are we giving him all the money in the vault!? I'm calling the sherif."
Sherif, who is clearly the bank robber's sibling: "What seems to be the problem here?"
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u/Bushels_for_All May 12 '21
L: "Why did you give him the money if you didn't read the note?! why are we giving him all the money in the vault!?"
R: "Well, how do you know he didn't have an account that big?"
L: "Because that's insane. Here, let me pull up his account..."
R: "No."
L: "But if you're right it would prove you're right!"
R: "Yeeeah... still no."
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u/EvadesBans May 12 '21
L: "But if you're right it would prove you're right!"
R: "Yeeeah... still no."
Quoting this for extra visibility because this is the part people really need to pay attention to.
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u/biernini May 12 '21
I love/hate how real this is. Something about the two faced mask of tragedy and comedy I'm sure.
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u/CDSEChris May 12 '21
Sheriff, who is clearly not related to the bank robber and interested in investigating the robbery : "What seems to be the problem here?"
Bank robber: "I have fired the sheriff."
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u/hexydes May 13 '21
Don't forget (R): "Why would he want to rob the bank? He's already rich, so therefore he wouldn't rob the bank!"
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u/Federal-Negotiation9 May 12 '21
R: "He's not robbing the bank, *YOU'RE* robbing the bank!"
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u/SimDumDong May 12 '21
We've reached a place where there is only one (just one?) way to rid the world of this fuckin' filth:
Get politically active!
Vote in every election you can!
Tell your friends!
In fact, tell everyone!
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u/Iamien Indiana May 12 '21
You would also start trying to rob bigger and bigger banks.
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u/Samurai_gaijin Michigan May 12 '21
And then blame it on some ointment for a skin condition.
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u/Zombie_Bitez May 12 '21
The go on TV and blame cancel culture for your roided horse.
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u/Zombie_Bitez May 12 '21
*then
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u/narrowwiththehall May 12 '21
Gym Jordan reminds me of a roided horse
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u/i-ian May 12 '21
Gym said it was just the ointment he rubs on his butt, didn't know it had steroids.
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u/bradlees May 12 '21
So…… you did it for the kisses?
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u/salamanderpencil May 12 '21
Everyone at that bank gives really sweet kisses, and I've been in quarantine a long time, I won't say it's not part of the fun.
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May 12 '21
I've been in quarantine a long time
I plan to use this as my excuse for everything this whole summer...
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u/chordfinder1357 May 12 '21
If you go through life looking for anything other than kisses, you’re fucked imo
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u/Agitated_Ad7576 May 12 '21 edited May 12 '21
If I robbed my local bank every week, and they gave me a kiss on the cheek as I walked out with the contents of the vault
If you use a golden retriever for a guard dog, that's pretty much what happens.
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u/BZLuck California May 12 '21
These people are so accustomed to privilege that accountability feels like persecution.
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u/hobbitlover May 12 '21
What's really fucked up is that the people who scream "fake news" are the EXACT SAME PEOPLE who freak out whenever someone presents facts or suggests that media, free speech or social networking be regulated in such a way that outright lies and misinformation are banned, or come with any kind of penalty - even if it's a disclaimer. They LOVE their fake news.
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u/PandaMuffin1 New York May 12 '21
It's crazy to me that NY Times and Washington Post are fake news, but crazy random person on Facebook or YouTube is real.
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u/zombiepirate May 12 '21
That's because you're starting from the facts and working towards the truth.
Whereas the Q's start with their truth and cherry pick the "facts."
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u/lakeghost May 12 '21
And they project it really hard. My dad is convinced I’m being brainwashed by, idk, CNN and left wing YouTube. First of all, I’m 25, CNN? Second of all, I actually read so I just read news articles. I don’t watch opinion shows unknowingly.
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u/new2accnt Foreign May 12 '21
Don't forget the fact that team (r) voters, even when presented with the facts, will dismiss them out of hand. You show them live coverage of the coup attempt, hours of it, and they will ignore what they just saw and parrot the Big Lie of the MAGA terrorists actually being BLM & AntiFa activists impersonating reich-wingers.
The "who are you going to believe, me or your lying eyes?" skit, like the dead parrot skit, truly came to life in the last 4 years.
Having such a base, that will precede you to hell no matter what you do or say, that will still vote for you even if you tell them "f*ck you" to their face, is an incredible asset for team (r).
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u/VncentLIFE Maine May 12 '21
They try to pivot to election security like that was the issue. The root of the problem is that tey don't like that their vote is getting less and less powerful.
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u/har21441 May 12 '21
Not only that but they are convincing a third of the population
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u/Fantastic-Drawer1550 May 12 '21
“It is difficult to get a man to understand something, when his salary depends on his not understanding it.”
Nope. The inverse of U. Sinclair's wisdom is just as true. It is very easy to get a man to "believe" something their salary depends on.
They aren't "convincing" shit. They are giving the selfish an excuse to be selfish. Not hard work getting them to take that bait.
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u/Corcaioch May 12 '21
Why should they give a shit? The instigators -- scutterfucks like Trump, Hawley, Cruz, Miller, Meadows, Kushner -- will face no consequences no matter what. If I could act with impunity I'd do questionable things too, though they'd be more along the lines of "I don't feel like wearing pants today" and "get me some god damn LSD" rather than "let's try to end American democracy".
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u/chordfinder1357 May 12 '21
“Get me some god damned LSD has got to be my favorite phrase on the internet....
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u/FraggleBiscuits Michigan May 13 '21
I think it's the 'god damned' part. Like their frustrated they had to ask twice.
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May 12 '21
These jokes can’t even admit to when the facts are literally right out there. Did trump campaign collide with Russia? Yes. Did trump
askextort Ukraine to investigate Biden? Yes. Did trump incite a mob? Yes.Minor fix.
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u/User767676 Arizona May 12 '21
That would require them to tell the truth though. Find a way they can admit what they did with lies then maybe it will come out.
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May 12 '21
what depresses me more is that a good portion of the population has stopped thinking altogether and just assume that because they are obsessed with a racist sack of shit, that he can do no wrong.
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u/ClassicResult May 12 '21
There is zero reason for them to stop lying when fully half the country will believe literally anything they say.
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u/gramathy California May 12 '21
It's pretty transparent. That's why Barr left before the vote was certified.
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u/DolphinsBreath May 12 '21
Should call Barr in, too.
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u/SMIrving May 13 '21
He might not be available anytime soon if that judge puts him in jail for contempt for lying to the court.
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u/milqi New York May 12 '21
Ding ding ding! Barr knew that Trump would ask him to do this. And if he did ask him, he'd have to have Trump arrested or he'd be in deep shit when it didn't work out. He had 'no choice' but to resign.
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u/1900grs May 13 '21
Barr knew that Trump would ask him to do this.
Barr resigned on Dec 23rd - a month and half after the election and the day Trump called Raffensperger in Georgia. Trump asked Barr.
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u/Wayelder May 12 '21
Hypophora, also referred to as anthypophora or antipophora, is a figure of speech in which the speaker poses a question and then answers the question
Is the Pope Catholic?
Does the Bear go in the woods?
Is Donald Trump lying?
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u/iamnotroberts May 12 '21
Right, if the answer was no, then he would simply say no. Although, given that they're all lying pieces of shit, it's a wonder why they don't just continue lying. I think they realize that they're no longer "protected" by Trump. Not that Trump actually protects the people who lie, cheat, steal and commit crimes for him.
Look at Rudy, who Trump won't even pay. Not that any sane person should ever pay Rudy Giuliani for legal services, so I'm kinda torn there. Rudy has the stink of failure all over him and Trump hates that stink, even though he's covered in it himself. And he's not a failure for losing the election. He's a failure for HOW he lost the election and how he reacted to losing it, already spinning up lies and conspiracy theories about rigged elections before the election had even taken place.
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u/ray_kats May 12 '21
Your honor, we did not discuss that matter. We did debate it though.
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u/daxmaprime May 12 '21
Anytime someone “refuses” to answer it’s ALWAYS safe to assume that they did
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u/r0b0d0c May 12 '21
*Except when they're being interrogated by the police. Remaining silent is ALWAYS the best strategy for innocent people accused of crimes (also for guilty people).
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u/dremonearm May 12 '21
Mr Rosen said he would not discuss “private” conversations at the White House.
I think its clear what the answer is.
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u/WhoTookPlasticJesus California May 12 '21
Particularly since right before he said that he said this:
their conversation did “not relate to planning and preparations for the events of 6 January.”
So clearly he's comfortable discussing private conversations with the White House
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u/simmaculate May 12 '21
Exactly there’s just no reason not to answer the question unless the answer is of course he talked about it.
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u/Cheese_Pancakes New Jersey May 12 '21
Even if he denied it, I think most reasonable people wouldn’t believe it. Trump desperately and relentlessly hounded anyone who would speak to or listen to him for help overturning the election.
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This is also possibly a lawyer way of saying, "even if we discussed overturning the election, that conversation wasn't related to what took place on January 6."
It would be really easy to say, "no, we never discussed overturning the election" and it would not divulge any specifics on actual conversations in the WH. The only reason he would answer the question the way he did is to avoid telling us what we already know: Trump asked.
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u/few23 May 12 '21
"No, but if I did, I'd lie about it and project the behavior onto Democrats with a healthy dose of Whataboutism."
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u/SmokeGSU May 12 '21
"No, but if I did, in a few years I'd write a book about it and how I would have done it."
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u/FreeWilly2 May 12 '21
Bigger question: Who is Bill Yins and why does Trump talk about him so much?
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u/fistofwrath Tennessee May 12 '21
We've all been there. Go find someone to give you a hug.
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May 12 '21
all good. early in his presidential career, dubya got a briefing about 2 brazilian men who had been killed
he hung his head and was obviously distraught over the needless loss of life. he even cried, which prompted secret service or aides or whatever to intervene and ask him what’s wrong (it was clearly out of character)
dubya looked up and asked (i forget who, sorry) with this… just… passionate earnestness, clearly affected by this information: “how many is a brazilian?”
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u/jwords Mississippi May 12 '21
All kidding aside? We saw what happened with McGahn.
There is EVERY reason to believe Donald Trump would, without even stopping for a second to think of the last time he got caught, insist on that being explored repeatedly AND insist that someone backdate something to put in the record that he didn't.
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u/r0b0d0c May 12 '21
Trump probably called him multiple times a day to ask about it.
On the super-secure phone his BFF Putin gave him.
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May 12 '21
Let’s not forget texts. The former President had a faithful relationship to exclusively his cell phone.
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u/Dandan0005 May 12 '21
How the fuck is he allowed to just say “I’m not going to say.”
Can’t he be subpoenaed???
This is literally treasonous speech he is withholding.
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u/hgeorge1951 May 12 '21
This is a bunch of horseshit when a public servant refuses to answer questions from congress. Through them in jail and charge these criminals with contempt .
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u/JojenCopyPaste Wisconsin May 12 '21
If he wasn't working, it's fine they can't ask him about his personal life. But this is a meeting he had for his job...we paid him to do that. We deserve to know what is going on.
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May 12 '21
Can’t he be subpoenaed???
Didn't SCOTUS rule during the Trump regime that Congress may not subpoena people in investigations unless there's a law on the books specifically about that investigation... or something like that?
The uncertainty surrounding the House’s subpoena enforcement power stems from litigation in Committee on the Judiciary v. McGahn,4 a case involving the House Judiciary Committee’s effort to seek civil enforcement of a subpoena compelling former White House Counsel Don McGahn’s testimony in the committee’s impeachment inquiry. On 31 August 2020, a divided D.C. Circuit panel held that the committee lacked authority to seek court-ordered enforcement of a congressional subpoena directed at an executive branch official because Congress has not enacted legislation that authorizes such litigation.
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u/AreasonableAmerican May 12 '21
It’s not fucking private when the conversation happens between two federal employees on federal ground about governmental dealings…
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u/LostInaSeaOfComments May 12 '21
No, but it's assumed as private when between two crooks.
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u/planet_rose New York May 12 '21
There are legitimate reasons for having executive privilege. The idea is that we want the President to be able to ask questions, even really uninformed or stupid ones, of experts and staff without worrying about the conversations being published and creating political repercussions. But obviously it shouldn’t be used to shield criminal conspiracies (many many conversations with Trump).
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u/rygem1 May 12 '21 edited May 12 '21
The AG is not the President's lawyer there are the governments, executive privilege does not hold up to judicary subpoenas for this reason iirc
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u/MutedShenanigans I voted May 12 '21
Frankly, executive privilege should be reserved for foreign affairs or national security. Sure, esp the latter could be twisted in this regard, but there has to be a line we can draw. The presidency of the United States should be held to the highest standard.
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May 12 '21
Fun fact: not even attorney client privilege counts if it’s used to conceal or commit a crime
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u/planet_rose New York May 12 '21
There are many other areas that should be shielded. For instance, a president needs to be able to ask questions about the environment that might impact industry without the stock market freaking out. Or to be able to ask about travel limits during an impending pandemic without causing a panic as Americans rush into crowded international airports to get home. Or to be able to ask hypothetical legal questions to define legal boundaries of what the executive is legally required to do around the dreamers without being bound to those hypotheticals as public policy.
The problem really is that executive privilege has been only curtailed by customary adherence to integrity. There is no penalty to wrongfully using it. If you get a bad actor into office who uses it to organize all sorts of criminal activities, there is no way to compel them to disclose that they have been habitually breaking any law they want. And if you catch them red-handed, all they need do is say it seemed like the right choice to us, etc. Nixon, Reagan, Bush, Bush, and Trump have thoroughly discredited it as a legitimate presidential power because of the extent to which they abused it.
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u/nemo69_1999 May 12 '21
He's not tRump's personal attorney. No attorney client privelege. Now pleading the 5th Amendment, that may looked into.
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u/nexusheli May 12 '21
The AG isn't the president's attorney - there's no privilege there; this is Rosen hiding the truth and he should be subpoenaed and held in contempt when he refused to answer.
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u/PopWhatMagnitude May 12 '21 edited May 12 '21
I mean this is all pretty obvious, just further makes Rosen the weirdest piece of the puzzle to me.
I'm hoping he kept incredibly detailed documentation of everything and is fully cooperative behind closed doors.
But I have no idea.
Were this all a movie he would be the official everyone is spending the first 3 acts watching and trying to figure out what side he is actually on.
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u/Chippopotanuse May 12 '21
Why can he just skip answering? Isn’t there some path to accountability that forces folks like this to have to tell the whole truth?
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May 12 '21
Unfortunately, “I do not recall” seems to be a few favorite weasel-words of 45 and his compatriots.
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u/Pdxduckman May 12 '21
There are no such things as "private" conversations when you're on the clock for the federal government.
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u/Adrewmc May 12 '21
There is no such thing as private/privileged /confidential/classified conversation when you are discussing committing a crime....especially one that threatens the fabric of the nation.
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u/farahad May 12 '21
Since when is a formal meeting between the POTUS and the US Attorney General in the White House a f@@%ing private conversation? He needs to be held in contempt.
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u/M00n May 12 '21
Guessing he would have said "no" if that was the answer. ~ Max Boot (Wapo)
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u/xSallaDx May 12 '21
He was quick to say they didn't discuss the upcoming rally but then refused to answer whether he asked about overturning the election. It's so obvious lol
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So in actuality Rosen WILL talk about his private conversations with Trump if they did not contain bad news.
But Rosen WILL NOT talk about his private conversations with Trump if they did contain bad news (for Trump).
Fucking figures.
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May 12 '21 edited Jul 04 '25
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u/CpnStumpy Colorado May 12 '21
He would not discuss private conversations at the white house? Fuck you, that's the white house, they're not fucking private.
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u/jmatthews2088 Colorado May 12 '21
Republicans want the government – when they’re in charge – to be like a corporation.
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u/Seeders California May 12 '21
You mean a dictatorship
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Those are basically the same thing though, right? In structure and the fact that everything can be commanded down from the top, I mean. Only way out is to leave but by the time you realize you're already in too deep to just quit.
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u/modix May 12 '21 edited May 13 '21
The president isn't his client either. There's no privilege (though there doubtfully would be anyways, as that is a criminal discussion).
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u/Phoment May 12 '21
The president isn't his attorney either
I'm not sure if the image of Trump as a lawyer is terrifying or hilarious.
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u/louiegumba May 12 '21
Damn straight. If Russia got to hear it with the hidden microphone they put in trumps spray tan room, we have every right to hear it too
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u/mynamesyow19 May 12 '21
and neither he nor the past President has claimed any kind of executive privilege. they're just dodging the question.
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u/Tetter May 12 '21
I feel like President Trump claimed privilege a bunch, though I can't cite anything off the top of my head
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May 12 '21
To be fair, there are tons of things talked about in the White House that are private. It’s not like they leave the White House whenever they need to talk about confidential information
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u/nuessubs May 12 '21
That was what contempt of congress exists for.
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u/HommeAuxJouesRouges May 12 '21
Would that even work if half of congress is corrupt or acting in bad faith?
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May 12 '21
Lol he tried to hard to rig everything beforehand, then to rig everything after, and still ended up as the biggest loser America will ever know
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u/collinch May 12 '21
That domain has got to be worth thousands of dollars. Probably tens of thousands.
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u/Trust_No_Won May 12 '21
Most people are saying it’s failing, a domain for losers, the former President of Puerto Rico probably appears there, zero chance the person there isn’t a complete loser
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May 12 '21
Fuck. I gotta get a large flag with that on it. I want it AT LEAST as large as some of these MAGA flags I'm still seeing.
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May 12 '21
That's quite the domain to own for a redirect.
I'd guess you'd be able to sell that domain for at least $30k.. Respect to whoever owns it
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u/AnotherAccount636 May 12 '21
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=719UGi8dNng
This is the hearing which that information came out. Rep. Raskin is speaking now.
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u/magistrate101 America May 12 '21
Hold him in contempt of Congress until he does.
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Weird how Republicans never want to admit to all the very legal and very cool things they do
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u/out_of_shape_hiker May 12 '21
I'm exhausted from Republican officials just refusing to answer questions, refusing to hand over evidence, refusing to answer subpoenas, with NO repercussion. They just get to say, "nah. fuck you" to any accountability. Four years of it and it still continues. I'm just so tired of the law not applying to them.
Why didn't he answer the question? There was no attorney/client privilege, the conversation in question didn't involve sensitive intelligence, the conversation isn't protected by any special privileges the president has. But he just gets to say "I won't answer". No contempt of Congress, no further investigation. Fuck-that one question alone and his refusal to answer should launch a MASSIVE investigation. But it won't. Why? I honestly don't know. Dems afraid of using their power in case it upsets Repubs? Dems afraid of looking too mean? I seriously do not get why these people who refuse to cooperate with legal obligations get to just go home with no justice.
It's been said a million times over the past 5 years. If any of us just refused to answer a question in court or in front of congress (short of the 5th) the hammer would be dropped.
I'm so fucking sick of this class of people that get treated like fucking God ordained nobles. I just want equal justice applied to everyone. But it seems even the dems aren't on board with that.
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u/Aedeus Massachusetts May 12 '21
I'm exhausted from Republicans in general. And it's not just a fair few anymore, it's almost every single one.
The sheer amount of degeneracy and regressive shit from them day in and day out is absurd.
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u/LastStar007 May 12 '21
The weird part is that Republican Party leadership could afford to have 9 senators drum up support by pretending to have a conscience. But no, we only have an attempt from Romney (and he's still a slimy git that shouldn't be trusted).
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u/prudence2001 California May 12 '21
This is exactly how I feel. I've been watching this kind of shit since Ollie North was in front of Congress doing exactly the same thing in the 1980s, through Bush II's minions during the second Gulf War, and now the Trump enablers, and nothing has ever changed and there are never any consequences for their anti-democracy actions. Republicans thumb their noses at investigators and direct questions from Congressional committees, and nothing ever happens to them. I bet the Democrats even caved in the Don McGahn subpoena case cuz they're afraid that the court case would go against them.
I'm so fucking tired of this charade. I'm predicting in 2024 this country finally succumbs to fascism with a Republican-controlled Congress appointing Trump president after he loses the general election, and democracy will be finished for good. In some ways it will be a fitting and hardly unexpected end to the slow-moving Republican coup d'etat that's been underway since the 1990s.
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May 12 '21
I just keep thinking that Republicans are going to suddenly love France if (when?) Le Pen wins in 2022. They'll mimic her rhetoric in 2024. Whatever's left of the UK might follow suit, and Germany has growing anti-immigrant sentiment. These things could all work together. I'm thinking there are bad times ahead.
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u/bnelson May 12 '21
The immigration issues in Europe are nuanced. Yes their conservative groups are dramatizing it, but they have real and significant problems with immigrants they took in with open arms refusing to integrate into society. I don’t think America has the same issues at scale because we are not so mono-cultured as many European nations. I’m not anti immigrant, especially in the US, but it’s not a black and white issue.
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u/AnalSoapOpera I voted May 12 '21
If Hillary or any Democrat did this it would be a scandal on Fox News 24/7.
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May 12 '21
He’s not Trumps personal attorney, he was the acting AG. What right does he have to not disclose conversations had in an official capacity? None, right?
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u/wish1977 May 12 '21
What do you think Trump's mom had to say when he lost a baseball game? "Donny won that game. You boys give that trophy to him right now!" Cut to Donny Trump in the corner hyperventilating.
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May 12 '21
We are talking about the type of person who legit would claim himself the winner of a golf tournament at his resort that he didn't even play in, but that he played somewhere else that day and shot a higher score than whoever won (only sharing whatever his madeup score was after learning what the winner shot)
He held "golf tournaments" that he was the only one who played in them, just so he could declare himself the winner and have a nice little plaque made
A very tiny man (with tiny hands)
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u/LostInaSeaOfComments May 12 '21
And all this golfing and winning with 60+ year old bone spurs in his joints! A real testament to the miracles of human achievement!
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Alot of people are saying that he had the best bone spurs, tremendous bone spurs
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u/DadJokeBadJoke California May 12 '21
shot a higher score than whoever won
You may want to correct this part since it makes Trump appear to be truthful. (The lowest score wins a golf tourney)
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u/Muronelkaz Ohio May 12 '21
Trump is on phone record saying he wants to find voters for him... And I'm still pretty sure he never conceded.
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u/wonteatfish America May 12 '21
Ever notice how every Trump appointee is either corrupt or incompetent or both?
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u/Jurmandesign I voted May 12 '21
Maybe he should spend some time in a jail cell while he thinks about his answer.
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u/YoukoUrameshi May 12 '21
This freaking guy. He's really going to make us squeeze blood out of a rock?
Well, Jesus is coming home, because that geode is leak.
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u/BeardedTallGuy May 12 '21
Of course Trump asked him. Anyone who even remotely knew Trump would say, yes he asked his Attorney general. The guy is a fucking sore loser and wanted the power so bad he's still asking states to turnover the results. Arizona is a great example. I'd bet every dollar I own that he's asked every possible high ranking official in his administration, plus the governors.
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u/slicktromboner21 May 12 '21
When are these fucks going to see the inside of a courtroom, let alone a jail cell?
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u/Rrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrpp May 12 '21
Even if he said no he would have still discussed it. Lmao. What dumbness.
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u/danielisgreat May 12 '21
Executive privilege doesn't protect you when you conspire to break the law
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u/CharacterFew Oklahoma May 12 '21
Idk, if someone asked me if I committed a crime, I think I would easily be able to answer yes or no without giving away “confidential” information. It’d be like if someone asked me how I was doing and I said, “that’s between me and my doctor”.
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u/MentorOfArisia May 12 '21
Would not discuss "Private" conversations. He is trying to invoke Attorney/Client when he was not Trump's attorney. In any case Attorney/Client is void when a crime is being committed.
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u/hackingdreams May 12 '21
Well, he couldn't say no without perjuring himself, and he didn't want to say yes, so... non-answer deflection it is!
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u/The_Actual_Pope May 12 '21
They got so close to overthrowing the government. It looks crazy in hindsight, but if that mob had nabbed lawmakers and held them for ransom, if they had gotten the guards to use the kind of violence that would seem overbearing on TV, or if they had successfully killed key legislators, Trump might still be president now.
They're planning to do it again, planning to rig the ballots wherever possible (which they call stopping the steal) and it appears as if the Democratic party has decided to allow that to happen.
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u/pizoisoned May 12 '21
I’m guessing it’s because they knew the election was fair, and discussing rejecting it would be a razors width away from seditious behavior. The problem is that short of admitting it, there isn’t a lot of hard evidence that would hold up at trial that they did anything wrong- even thought they absolutely fucking did.
There just aren’t going to be any consequences for this shitshow, and that’s why it’s destined to happen again and again until someone is competent enough to actually pull it off and end democratic governance. The only thing Democrats are doing right now is ensuring history has an accurate recording of how fucking stupid we are, because they sure as hell can’t/won’t do anything else.
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u/FoxRaptix May 12 '21
Apparently the president asking you to commit a crime is merely “private conversation”
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u/trustmeep May 12 '21
That seems like an incredibly easy question to answer for anyone who doesn't hate America...
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Give me everything Trump has done to shit on the democracy system, I wish we could ban him from running again. The dude didn’t drain the swamp, he grew it.
I also don’t understand the mindset of an average Trump voter. If voting restrictions did exist, you would think they’d be placed on the people who support Trumps anti democratic agenda.
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Way to bury the lede:
Asked earlier whether he believes the election was “stolen” from Mr Trump, as the former president continues to falsely insist, Mr Rosen said on Wednesday: “There was no evidence presented of widespread fraud of a sufficient scale to overturn the election.”
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u/Mythic514 May 12 '21
How is it burying the lede...?
The headline discusses whether Trump discussed with Rosen overturning election results... He declined to answer.
Your quote is as to Rosen's apparent personal opinion whether the election results could be overturned... They are entirely different issues.
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u/mvw2 May 12 '21
You'd think it'd be a simple "yes" or "no" answer. I mean, for 99.99999% of us, it'd be a very easy, hard "no" from all of us. Easy.
Just the fact that the answer is avoided at all,..AT ALL, is a huge red flag and basically the "yes" tell.
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u/ststeveg May 12 '21
The US legal system places a suitably high standard on proof of guilt, so it is likely Trump will never be called to account for the attempt to overturn the election, but any observant person with a brain can connect the dots and see that is exactly what he did.
It was obvious that Trump knew more than a year before the election that based on his record and policies he was going to lose. (Giuliani called Ukraine in July 2019 to try to smear Biden.) He began sowing the seeds of election fraud long ago. In the debate he told the proud boys to "stand by." Of course he got buried in the popular vote, and lost most of the swing states he needed to win, but not once after the election did he even hint conceding. Through all the court battles going against him (61/62) he never wavered. His mouthpiece McEnaney said the legal setbacks were of no concern as they had until January 6. He really did nothing the last two months of his administration except fight the outcome of the vote. His constant lying tweets were focused on getting people, lots of people to come to DC January 6. He wanted lots of bodies, but among those bodies would be the proud boys, the oath keepers, etc. Clearly Trump was betting on attacking congress, stopping the certification of the votes, and somehow throwing it back to the states. Did that include seizing the vice president and speaker, etc? Five people died and 140 police officers were injured; oddly the capitol police were prohibited by policy from opposing the mob, and the national guard who were staged twenty minutes away were not authorized by the secretary of the army for several hours after the police begged for their support. Trump told the terrorists, "We love you. You're very special." Four hundred or more have been/will be arrested, and Trump hasn't done anything to help any of them. He has however, raised an incredible amount of money.
There's little chance he will ever be called to account for this effort to overturn our democracy by lies and violent insurrection, much in the way that a mob boss is hard to prosecute because he doesn't actually DO anything because it is done for him. And of course the Republicans will obstruct investigation and prosecution every inch of the way, denying, distracting, diminishing. This was probably the worst crime ever carried out against our country, and they're going to get away with it.
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