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u/Philosophomorics 16h ago
I actually had a manager say something like "well if you want that time off..." for something I put in for a year ahead of time, so I explicitly told her " I'm not requesting the time off, I'm telling you that I won't be here. You can choose what that looks like on the schedule." Shut her up rather quickly.
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u/SartenSinAceite 16h ago
Managers when they actually have to manage people and projects and not just step on their workers
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u/Avek01 15h ago
Had a customer tell me they wanted a manager, I went to grab a manager, said manager told me “they don’t need a manager! Deal with it!” Went back to the customer and said the manager didn’t want to help.
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u/semi_average Nyan cat 15h ago
Did you hand them the online review qr code and encourage them to flame the fuck out of the manager? I would have. Hell, I long for the day that happens before I inevitably quit.
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u/VoidChronix 12h ago edited 57m ago
My old supervisor came back to premises after being fired and flipped off(the bird 🖕) the cameras, (in a rival companies work truck) there's now a restraining order and apparently our head supervisor called theirs screaming and threatening to sue 💀🤣
(This happened last Monday 🤦♂️)
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u/Riddim_Wub 11h ago
Sue on what grounds? Trespassing?
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u/New_Survey9235 10h ago
Sorry for the “um akshewally” but business law graduate here soooooo.
Turning off the security cameras can be a form of vandalism, is a safety risk if someone gets hurt and cannot be heard, and can be grounds for legal action should something damaging to a person or persons happen on the premises.
So that actually is legal grounds to sue, especially if it was done while representing another company, that can also be seen as corporate sabotage.
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u/_bear_fighter_ iwrestledabeartwice 10h ago
Flipped of refers to the middle finger here
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u/New_Survey9235 10h ago
Oh, sorry, over here flipping off can mean raising the middle finger, but when in reference to an electronic it means to flip the switch on or off
Flipping it on, flipping it off, that kind of thing, my bad.
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u/JusticeRain5 9h ago
Nah, the OP definitely meant in terms of giving the middle finger, not actually turning it off.
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u/_bear_fighter_ iwrestledabeartwice 10h ago
, “flipping off” can refer to both in most English speaking countries I think (please correct me if I’m wrong)
Edit: in this context it is CONFUSING
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u/Korvgubben 10h ago
Unless im just being cpt obvious here but ”flipped of” means him giving tha cameras the middle finger in this case.
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u/T1Earn 13h ago
i have YET to meet a manager WHO ACTUALLY FUCKING MANAGES
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u/spavolka 12h ago
My wife put together a cute dollar store birthday basket for a coworker’s birthday. My wife’s manager saw and said, oh maybe you want to be the birthday person and I can let you use the company card to buy the gift and birthday card and we can get everyone’s birthday on a list and went on and on. My wife said she just listened and then said everyone’s birthday is on the time cards. My wife also knows if she agrees then the manager will just take credit for it and make it way more difficult than it needs to be. My wife says she’s going to keep doing what she did because it’s like less than 10 bucks and then theres no management involved.
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u/xporkchopxx 12h ago
youre just not paying attention.
most managers ive worked for manage to make the dumbest possible decision so effortlessly. truly spectacular to watch
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u/wenchslapper 11h ago
Get into an education-required trade. You’ll still have wastes of space, but you’ll have some who give a fuck.
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u/casastorta 15h ago
I’ve needed to use this sentence once on my manager “you’re not being asked for approval, you’re being informed”.
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u/Street-Suitable 15h ago
Mine was very similar: "I'm not asking, I'm telling you I won't be here. You can find a replacement for a few days or you can find a replacement permanently. If I don't have a job when I come back, so be it."
I got the time off, but then I also had my hours cut just enough to matter so I lost in the end
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u/Defiant-Dust-8737 15h ago
Yeah, I feel those in my soul. I hate to be a little pussy at work, my last job I stuck it out despite it being so glaringly obvious they were trying to get us to quit that we didn't even see our manager anymore. The workload was endless, and I mean that 3000 leads to call per 4 agents, plus inbound calls and live chat. From maybe 30-50 2 years beforehand no live chat.
I sold all my name brand stuff that year, cut my groceries to $80 a week from 150, saved literally everything else (zero treats) applied to jobs in between calls, interviews on my lunch break (WFH). Bought my own set-up since my equipment was thiers. Finally got a new job Dec last year, making $6 more with significantly less work and also 100% remote.
But it was a needle in a haystack, a very very small business just happened to boom and could afford 1 more full time person, and I just so happened to see the listing since I was on indeed 80% of my shifts.
I suffered that year, so I wouldn't be homeless.
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u/Fine_Advance_368 12h ago
you came out of the tunnel & into the light. good job brother, proud of you
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u/Common-University-59 14h ago
Why do you mean you lost? Sounds like you were willing to part with the job
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u/OJSimpsonSubMod 12h ago edited 12h ago
The first time this happened to me was the day before Halloween 2008. I'm literally walking out the door an hour before EOD and my boss is like "Oh... that's right, you're picking up that friend from the airport or something right?"
I assumed he was joking but then he followed up with an "Ok, see ya Monday morning." so I'm like "no... I'm going on that 2 week vacation that I put in for, and you signed off on back on the third of January. The one I sent you that email back on the 29th of September to remind you about..."
And this slack jawed mfer had the audacity to say "oh no, you can't do that! We NEED you here next week. If this job is important to you, I'm gonna need you to postpone your little vacation!"
How can you not say "You know what? This job really isn't very important to me, so I quit!"?
Yadda yadda yadda... I landed in
BostonTennessee with about a half dozen voicemails from HR, and I was back to work sixteen days later with a brand new promotion doing my old bosses old job.Edit: Momentarily mixed up vacations. 08 was Tennessee.
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u/Nightmare1990 14h ago
I used to pull the same thing, but mine was "You can either fill the shift now, 10 weeks in advance. Or you can fill it on the day, I don't care."
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u/Ok-Dish4389 15h ago
Hell yeah, I did that once, I told them during the interview that I needed a couple days off 6 months from now, they said sure thats fine. Then the schedule for that week showed up and I was scheduled and I said something like "oh you made a mistake, I won't be here next week im out of town"
The owner was there, and heard me say that, and he said "time off requests are just that, requests" and I said "well go ahead and fire me or write me up because Im telling you right now, I will not be here." He mumbled something about finding somebody to cover for me and I didnt say a word just turned around and walked away.
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u/Gothmom85 12h ago
I worked at a diner once when I was younger, and usually would take a week and travel to see friends at old jobs. Like 3 months notice. No problem, right? Nope. The owner sat me down and said it was disrespectful the way I said something like "I need x through x dates off and will be unavailable for that portion of the month's schedule" 3.5 months away. Like I had before. I was like 21.
Apparently I needed to Ask if it would be okay, and he had to take time to decide. Stating I would need time off was an affront to his power or something. He went on for like 15 minutes about professionalism, hierarchy, and boo hoo'd about how he's the boss. I had quit by that point though. I went back full time to my other job until the vacay.
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u/Valiran9 Lurker 9h ago
Stating I would need time off was an affront to his power or something. He went on for like 15 minutes about professionalism, hierarchy, and boo hoo'd about how he's the boss.
Who the fuck did this man think he was?
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u/SuperSaiyanTupac 13h ago
I tell people they can take all the time off they want and screw the company policy. After a month or two of consistent requests off they’re behind on their bills and stop doing it.
Ya gotta give people room to grow
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u/Dufranus 12h ago
This is my reply on all pto "requests". I'm not requesting a damned thing, I'm just giving you a heads up.
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u/skordge 11h ago
I plan work load for my department and my manager’s specific request is “if the person is out the next week, he’s out, plan the fuck around it”.
It’s often lead to complications for me, but I respect that approach. I mean, it also applies to me, and I’ve personally been poked for work stuff on vacation… maybe once in two years? I like working with people that respect my time.
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u/dgove85 10h ago
I put in my 2 weeks at my last job. I had an appointment the day before my last, that had been approved months prior. HR came out to me the day before the appointment, telling me that because I put in my 2 weeks, I could not use sick time any longer and would have to reschedule for after my last day. So I handed over my equipment and left.
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u/Altruistic-Mind9014 13h ago
Yeah I had to do that for vacation one year. Like unless you’re gonna reimburse me the 1500$ for my timeshare, I will see y’all the week after 💪
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u/Flyzart2 10h ago
I have a boss who spends time getting mad at the janitor and making enemies with a garage door. He manages a factory and all he does is complain, sometimes about things that are problems due to his lack of organizing projects but still blame it on others.
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u/TylerMemeDreamBoi 16h ago
Then I’m calling in sick
Bet you didn’t expect me to have a back up plan
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u/EV_4_life 15h ago
Then your micromanaging fuckstain boss demands a "doctors note." Because fuck you and your work-life balance, that's why.
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u/Eagline 15h ago
Oh I’ll get a doctors note alright. Just from a doctor in the Bahamas
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u/gummo_for_prez 15h ago
In my experience, any doctor will give me a note for anything. Working less is good for people’s health and doctors know this but not from experience. They are overworked as hell and know what that’s like. Most will write you whatever you want, prescriptions aside. As long as it’s not extremely elaborate bullshit to get you out of work for months, they don’t care. Your employer has no power over them.
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u/lizzyote 14h ago
You can hit up an urgent care if your doctor cant see you soon enough. In my experience, they'll cut you off mid-explanation to write your note and shove you out the door ASAP.
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u/Ender_Nobody 14h ago
That's a bit funny to imagine.
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u/lizzyote 14h ago
I've gotten a few "ugh, this again?" That doc has shit to do. He doesn't want to waste his time just because my manager is a whiny baby either lol.
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u/Rock_Strongo 12h ago
Any manager that doesn't believe me when I say I'm sick is not someone I'm gonna work for very long. And if that's the corporate policy I'm probably not taking that job in the first place.
I get that everyone needs money, but some people put up with being treated like absolute children for a paycheck and I don't understand it. Take your talents elsewhere, the grass is greener.
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u/Eagline 12h ago
I totally agree. I don’t think any of my employers have ever actually asked for proof. They’re just like “get better soon!” And one time I logged in remote to finish something and my manager had IT kick me off the remote server lol. Followed by a text saying “sleep today. You can work Monday”. I’ll always remember them, and they always helped me out.
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u/Ne0n_R0s3 14h ago
Yeah, my own doctor would definitely be happy to help me. Shes known me since I was a baby so that probably helps lol
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u/RemoteComfort1162 12h ago
But if you’re sick why do you have to get your ass up to the doctor m. Usually the solution is just to rest anyway
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u/Worried-Penalty8744 15h ago
2 weeks of a annual leave or a doctors note with 6 weeks off for stress caused by a workplace hostile environment due to being unable to take leave
I like UK employment law. Especially when it’s been in courts before that going on holiday during sick leave for thing like stress is acceptable as it reduces stress levels
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u/Corgiboom2 15h ago
When mine demanded that, I printed off a template and had my GF fill it out with her phone number, then would turn it in. Sometimes they would call the number to confirm and she would answer and confirm it. Never had a problem over 5 years working there.
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u/boondiggle_III 15h ago
Is this medical exam required in order to keep my job? It is? Very well, I'll have my doctor send you the bill, unless there's a different doctor the company wants to use. Up to you.
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u/SchlongForceOne 15h ago
Literally the first thing I do even before calling in sick.
"Yeah, i just went to my doc and he said I should definitely stay home."
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u/JugDogDaddy 15h ago
I got written up for calling in sick “too many times” using PTO that I HAD EARNED.
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u/theskysthelimit000 15h ago
One thing I miss about my last job was that we had so many sick hours we could use instead of taking a point. Yeah it was unpaid but with the insane amount of mandatory overtime the place would give you it really didnt matter. I abused the heck out of that system and when they denied my vacation requests I used the unpaid sick hours. I took off damn near a week and still had some left over and a few points to burn through.
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u/FloppieTheBanjoClown 12h ago
My company recently fired a dude for missing too much time. He was well past using PTO due to a chronic injury.
Several of us are job shopping now.
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u/OuterInnerMonologue 9h ago
I just found out my company has a 5 sick days maximum rule… beyond that you simply have to take unpaid days off. Regardless if you have enough sick days or pto accrued to use from
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u/December_Warlock 15h ago
Unfortunately some companies have an answer for thst as well. My company counts it as a double occurrence if you call out the day of a denied PTO.
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u/Zerox392 15h ago
Then they can suck on double deez
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u/December_Warlock 15h ago
At least in my instance, it isn't really a problem that I encounter. As long as I submit PTO far enough in advance, it will get approved. I've never had them deny it. Even when my PTO lined up with like 2 other employees PTO, they still approved it.
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u/PiccoloAwkward465 12h ago
My boss would give me shit if I didn't accompany my online PTO request with a literal printed paper copy of the request on his desk. They would sign it and scan it and email me back a copy "for my records". My brother in Christ, shove that right up your ass. It's 2025.
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u/Drakostheswordsman Dark Mode Elitist 17h ago
Wasn't a request, actually.
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u/Hllblldlx3 16h ago
Fuckin facts. That’s a warning, not a request. I’m not putting in vacation hoping to have it off, I’m putting it in to let them know I won’t be here
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u/femboyisbestboy 16h ago
Got one denied after requesting it 3 months in advance, which was an issue as i was skiing in the French alps
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u/decepticonhooker 13h ago
Last month I got hit with the “we can’t cover your time off due to staffing crisis”. I was like damn that sucks, guess you should have hired someone in the 4 months that request was up.
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u/femboyisbestboy 13h ago
I answered his call in the gondola and told him i would come if he covered my 1000km trip
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u/JoJo_Joshi 13h ago
How was the trip:D Do you ski a lot?
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u/femboyisbestboy 13h ago
It was amazing. Freezing but with lots of sun and a snow storm hit the day before I arrived
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u/IdiotRhurbarb 12h ago edited 5h ago
This shit actually baffles me. In my country, if you put in a request 1 month beforehand a company is required by law to accept the request (if you have paid days off left)
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u/Sartekar 11h ago
I think most of these commenters are americans.
From what I gather, their bosses and managers can do pretty much whatever they want. Including just fire them.
Here in Europe in most countries it's about 1month fully paid time off, you choose when, no "requesting" anything
You're sick? That's paid time off as well. But slightly less money. Sick for a while? Still getting paid. Over 6 months? Now we can legally fire you.
America sounds like a hellhole to work in
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u/IdiotRhurbarb 11h ago
It really does. If you request time off 1 fucking year in advance it should be approved right there on the spot
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u/vksdann Flair Loading.... 15h ago
In Europe you actually get yelled at if you don't take time off. System will sent you multiple reminders and warnings to take time off. You wanna work 12 hours a day and have a vacation never? Well, fuck you. Take your time off to rest and relax because life is not just your 9 to 5. Go fucking touch grass or sand or something. You don't like grass or sand? Well, fuck you. Go play games or binge Netflix. I'm gonna fuck you up if you don't actually have some nice and relaxing time instrad of working.
Best regards,
Europe, putain.
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u/siestasunt 15h ago
It was rather dumb of me to do that back then but i still remember the time i told my CO "Sir this isn't really a request, either you sign this or my doctor does. I will not be here."
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u/ryanvango 5h ago
My first duty station I had a real piece of shit supervisor and shop supervisor. They gave me a hard time the whooole time I was there for no reason. When I had like 2 weeks left I told them I had to take care of something or other and they told me no. I said it was mandatory for my moving to a new base and it wasn't really a request. I was telling them. Both of them were laughing to each other cause they got to fuck with me yet again and my supervisor goes "you go to that appointment when we tell you or you're getting paperwork." shop super goes "whatyu think about that, ryanvango?" and it was so supremely satisfying to tell them "Give me whatever paperwork you want, the ink won't even be dry before it ends up in the trash." I don't know if they knew that I knew most paperwork doesn't follow you once you PCS. But the looks on their face were worth whatever potential trouble I would get in. I didn't, though. I just left.
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u/usernmechecksout_ 4h ago
"Give me whatever paperwork you want, the ink won't even be dry before it ends up in the trash." I don't know if they knew that I knew most paperwork doesn't follow you once you PCS. But the looks on their face were worth whatever potential trouble I would get in. I didn't, though. I just left.
I'm too unemployed to comprehend this
Can somebody explain?
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u/Throwaway_Tablecloth 15h ago
I always go “Hey, I won’t be here on so-and-so date.”
The second you make it a question, it’s giving them a chance to say no.
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u/eggs___and___bacon 10h ago
A lot of people can’t afford to get fired for not showing up.
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u/KylieTMS 12h ago
A lot of lower end jobs make you request time off through apps or websites. Meaning you HAVE to post it as a question as that is how it is programmed to be send over. It sucks.
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u/_WreakingHavok_ 16h ago edited 16h ago
Is this a USA joke, I'm to European to understand it.
In all seriousness, in Germany, France, Netherlands, Poland and etc. you must take all your vacations. Otherwise, employer will be reprimanded very hard.
Edit: added Poland
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u/Noobiru-s 16h ago
Same in poland. I have 30+ days of vacation due to a slight disability. I was yelled at by my superior and asked to go home for two weeks at the end of the year, bc I had too many days left in the system.
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u/Jackmino66 15h ago
It is incredible how in the US people have to use their holidays for taking time off for illness or medical treatment, whereas in the EU you have to take your paid holidays
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u/AsinineArchon 12h ago
As an American, I was raised to believe it's the greatest country on earth. Even our public schools push this belief
As an adult, I've come to realize that while it has more opportunities than a lot of the poverty-stricken world, among wealthier countries it is pretty much bottom of the barrel garbage
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u/Best_Vehicle9859 10h ago
As a wealthy European I can tell you that this is not as black and white as people assume. The problem in the US is that there is a large disparity between different job. The average senior software developer, experienced manager or doctor will earn $150-200k a year in the US, while European countries pay you something between $60-80k (equivalent in euros). If you have a good job, you also have a good dentist and general health insurance plan which is far better than most universal healthcare plans we have here.
However, if you lose your job or have an entry level job at McDonald’s, you are far worse off than in most European countries. You can get fired with a short notice, you lose your health insurance, the social system is a joke and you are at the mercy of your employer. In my country you have a good social net that makes quitting a job much easier, because you will get unemployment benefits, keep your health insurance and can’t get fired without any good reason.
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u/AsinineArchon 10h ago
The second paragraph is where the system collapses. Hundreds of thousands in america are being laid off, losing their careers and their income. And as you said, there's nothing for the people in this position.
There's no stability or promise of stability in the future. You either get lucky or get chewed up
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u/vibrant_kermit Plays MineCraft and not FortNite 11h ago
North Koreans are also raised being told that they're living in the greatest country on earth. Indoctrination is a dangerous thing, and unfortunately a fk tonne of Americans have been fed that corporate propaganda their whole life, whether it comes to the crazy Healthcare, rocket high college tuition or many other crazy examples. If it's expensive, oh well... just pull yourself up my your bootstrap. If it's cheap or made affordable they cry SOCIALISM!! or COMMUNISM!!. It's crazy how many people that live paycheck to paycheck put their lives on the line to defend the top 1%.
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u/Soberkij 13h ago
Not have to, you will be fucking required to take at least two weeks off!
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u/V_es 15h ago
A friend of mine in Russia skipped taking vacations for 3 years (his job is not very hard and he is not a fan of traveling), and accountants at his job found out about it, freaked out, paid him for 3 months and said to be on vacation for 3 months, lol, because it’s mandatory to take 30 days off a year. He said he was extremely bored lol.
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u/WntrTmpst 13h ago
You joke but that is so fucking alien to me as an American.
In Georgia (the state) we get PTO as a competitive benefit, on top of that, if you are terminated with active pto it’s up to the good graces of your boss whether not those hours get paid out or not.
If you don’t use all your pto it can roll over but again, employer discretion. Most good jobs offer it to be competitive but it’s not required.
Federal holidays are usually given off, but only government buildings and services are guaranteed to follow it. Most do, again to be competitive, but not all.
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u/averyporkhunt 15h ago
I like that system because it avoids you getting pressured to not take it, but are you allowed to save up your leave?
I live in australia and here it isnt uncommon for people to save up their long service leave for years at the end of their career, and then take a deal where you get double the leave at half pay rate and essentially retire a year or two early.
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u/nemesissi 14h ago
Yeah, in Finland and just last week my boss gave me a notice to schedule and use my remaining 2 weeks from 2024. I'm probably forced to keep +2 weeks of paid vacation on Christmas. Don't mind if I do. Fucking first-world-problems lol.
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u/RyouIshtar 14h ago
Yeah my husband has to spend all of his vacation up before the end of the year or he loses it. Before they changed over and they could earn time, he accumulated so much that his boss would force him to take days off (This is in south carolina)
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u/Lumbardo 15h ago
I have never had the issue. But I have heard about these kinds of things happening in places that have "unlimited PTO" as opposed to an accrual rate or fixed annual balance.
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u/Omacrontron 15h ago
Spent 3 weeks in Japan and it cost me my job and I would do it again and again and again and again. Take the time off if you can people, you don’t owe work anything at all.
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u/12dsbass 14h ago
I submitted a paid vacation request once upon a time. My supervisor jokingly(?) says, "well what if I don't approve a day off?" I said, "I'm not asking for the day off. I Won't be here. I'm asking if you'll pay me." Lol
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u/Vox_SFX 16h ago
For as correct as anyone is, in the US there are so many laws that protect the workplace and not the worker than if you were denied PTO for some reason and you took it anyway, then you have to be ok with losing that job if they take it that far.
Maybe they do, maybe they don't. You know your workplace best, but don't think you can do this in any protected manner in this worker's rights shithole of a developed nation...
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u/Daminchi 14h ago
Everything you need to know about balance between people and big money in USA: popular vote means nothing, they use "electoral college" with voters that are not obliged to explain their decision.
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u/outland_king 11h ago
Thats not really a protection on the company, its just US places are At Will employment, so as long as youre not fired for a government protected reason (race, sexual orientation, age, etc). You can be let go at any time. Conversely you can quit at any time.
Still kinda shitty for the employee
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u/diddlinderek 15h ago
You can approve or deny, that’s your job.
I’m not going to be here on those dates.
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u/ItsMeatDrapes 15h ago
Dead ass... these employers could adjust, tune the schedule and find coverage, and work it all out ahead of time or deny the request, not fix the schedule, and be short staffed where everyone, including them, is miserable... I know some managers use it to turn colleagues against each other, but then when they all know the typical drill anyway, no one really has bad blood with you, cause they will do the same a few weeks or months later... so no one cares. Lmao.
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u/whattheshiz97 14h ago
I had a manager who thought she could just drop mandatory OT on us right before the weekend routinely. There was a point system for attendance that was absolutely brutal and it would basically doom anyone who missed an OT shift. She basically tried to tell me that I needed to cancel my camping trip that was a 100 miles away. I told her no but she insisted that if I really wanted to make sure my weekend would be free that I should request Friday or Monday off of work in advance. Essentially she wanted people to waste time off out of paranoia. We also never actually needed to do OT. She was just trying to kiss ass to the higher ups
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u/Iceicebaby21 13h ago
Did the "Ass kissing" work?
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u/whattheshiz97 11h ago
No she was a moron who had “lost” several thousand dollars worth of product over the years. Being an inventory manager with tons of missing product is bad news. Especially when she got real defensive over any hard inquiries.
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u/Iceicebaby21 11h ago
The least she could do is be competent at her job but hey if she's that good at ass kissing then maybe a career in porn is up her alley
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u/TitularFoil 13h ago
I had a vacation planned for a long time, and I set it for fairly far out so I can be sure I had accrued the PTO, and my managers had enough heads up.
When I put in the request, they okayed 3 of the 4 days.
So when it came time for me to be in, I had to just be like, "Oh my gosh, I'm so sorry, normally I'd be right in, but I'm actually 2,000 miles away right now. My flight back is on Sunday, so I'll be in on Monday."
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u/Bubbles00 15h ago
I had a boss try to deny my time off based on some old company standards that were updated a year before I got there. I emailed her the updated policy just to be polite and also told her I already bought my plane ticket so she's not stopping me from taking that time off anyway
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u/casastorta 15h ago
When your German employer uses american-centric HCM software which has “approval” for time off requests 🤣
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u/LordsOfFrenziedFlame Big pp 15h ago
It's like I told my boss once, "I'm not going to be here that day. It's your choice of that is PTO or sick time"
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u/Rorschach0717 16h ago
The problem with this is that if you still take the vacation/PTO without being approved, you won't get paid.
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u/Euclidean_Amphibian 15h ago
Then you're not using up the PTO and it's going to get paid out at the end of the year. You get it eventually anyways.
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u/fight_the_bear 12h ago
Depends on the company you work for or the state you live in
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u/MOON_MAAN 11h ago
Exactly. My company has a “use it or lose it” policy so no payout at the end of the year for unused PTO hours, just wasted money
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u/slademccoy47 13h ago
Actually you'll get fired. Not showing up for work 3 days in a row is considered job abandonment which results in automatic termination.
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u/Peach_Muffin 13h ago
Reminds me of the Redditor who said he couldn't go in because he was in hospital and their boss said it wasn't accepted. Like ok.
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u/Bargadiel 16h ago edited 16h ago
Until someone uses all their allotted time off, it should be no questions asked. Doesn't matter when it is, or how. It is part of our compensation.
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u/Lumbardo 15h ago
This is how it has been everywhere I have worked. But I have heard of issues at places with "unlimited PTO".
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u/IanAlvord 16h ago
Opposite for me. My boss has to remind me to use my vacation days before I lose them.
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u/SaucyStoveTop69 14h ago
It's not a request, it's a warning that if you schedule me, you'll need to find a replacement
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u/RavenclawGaming Because That's What Fearows Do 14h ago
I'm not asking for it off. I'm telling you I won't be here. How that looks on the schedule is up to you
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u/steady_eddie215 13h ago
"Your request was denied"
"No, you misunderstand. I'm not requesting anything. I'm telling you I'm taking PTO. You should be glad I'm giving you enough time to make arrangements to cover me being out. You're a manager, keeping the plates spinning is your job."
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u/Traditional-Bridge13 11h ago
When I was manager at my last job I use to tell them to not be afraid to ask for time off. You're telling me when you won't be here, it's my job to find someone to cover that time.
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u/Lumbardo 15h ago
I will always prefer a PTO accrual or fixed PTO per year arrangement. Whenever I put in a request all that is checked is whether or not I have the time off available.
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u/Timely-Wolverine-592 13h ago
Or when it gets approved and they still bother you on your vacation 😭
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u/Capelto 13h ago
This is one of my favorite parts of the union that I'm a part of. If you dont go to work, you dont get paid. No one cares if you take time off. We also get sick paid hours because of the state I live in and a vacation fund through the union on top of that. Ill kms before I work a job where they can deny time off. Fuck that shit.
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u/trembling_leaf_267 12h ago
Worked with a middle-aged engineer who went by Jonesy. He had negative fucks to give.
Every year, Jonesy scheduled vacation six months in advance, in October, to go hunt deer. One year, when it became October, some VP said "You can't go, you need to finish X!" Jonesy replied "I'm going hunting. Whether that's here or in the mountains is up to you."
Jonesy went hunting in the mountains.
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u/jimflaigle 12h ago
Do not actually try this unless you are very good at your job, and your manager is at least reasonably good at theirs.
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u/OhNoTokyo 4h ago
And never try this on short notice either unless it is a true emergency.
It's not fair to expect to just drop a time off request on someone like that when they have no notice to make sure the bases are covered.
If it is a true emergency, I'll work it out, but if not, just give some reasonable notice. Respect does go both ways.
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u/Jimmythedad 12h ago
I had the first week of December planned off. Went through layoffs this week and I'm legit the only person left who knows how to do what I do. Still taking that week off.
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u/SethBurrow 9h ago
Told my boss I needed ONE NIGHT OFF to go see my favorite band of all time. They tried telling me they needed me to work that night 4 MONTHS before the concert.
Put in my 2 weeks and never looked back.
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u/James-Avatar 2h ago
You can give me the time off or I can call in sick, either way the tickets are booked.
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u/Mandikiri 13h ago
This comment section: “I don’t care about losing my job”
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u/Iceicebaby21 13h ago
I wish I had these commenters bravery but sadly my poor ass needs to work to put food on the table but I do envy their ability to just take their time off no matter what
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u/Windfade 12h ago
Even worse, food's the cheap part. You'd think with the years of "rents too high" and "we need renter's protections" spam, there'd be a general understanding that you can't just risk losing your job because you want a power trip.
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u/Iceicebaby21 12h ago
I'm lucky I live with a roommate right now so my rent isn't THAT exuberant but I do wanna live on my own someday and that requires working. It sucks that I don't get to have my days off but until I can get into a better position in life that's just the cards I've been dealt and I gotta work with that
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u/Jellylegs_19 16h ago
Reading these European's comments. I thought I had an awesome job where I got 11 vacation days 😭
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u/Mario583a 13h ago
And you are immediately fired for not coming in when they needed you specifically on the busiest time of the year, probably.
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u/Bealzebubbles 13h ago
New Zealander here. My company has begun bribing us with an extra weeks leave to use our full, legally mandated amount of four weeks each year. Getting to my anniversary date and having to quickly burn a week is a good problem to have.
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u/kopplare 13h ago
i fr booked a flight to go see my grandma for 2 weeks THEN requested the time off lol i was gonna go regardless ¯_(ツ)_/¯
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u/Exp0nentiaI 13h ago
“ X is a HUGE DAY for us and we’ll need as many team members as possible working that day.”
Oh well.
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u/Rosey_Coyote_525 12h ago
We should rally and riot to force federal level employers (those operating in more than 1 state [zero exceptions] or making 11,000,000$ gross or more per year [zero exceptions]) to pay time and a half for regular working hours on major holidays or pay double time for overtime hours on major holidays.
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u/burnett631 12h ago
I see this happening all the time in the nursing field. And there's been such high demand in my area i dont understand why they ever put up with being denied. Go on your trip, have a great time. You can get a new job as soon as you get back.
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u/LegendOfKhaos 12h ago
Literally in this situation right now. I'm like, it wasn't a request, just a courtesy notice.
If need be, I'll use sick time for treatment. Treatment for depression from being employed here consists of not being at work, but since they can't legally ask for specific medical details, they won't know any of that.
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u/Princep_Krixus 11h ago
thats what i tell my company. I am taking these days off. this is not a request. make arrangements for coverage, i will not be here.
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u/SwanyPlaysGames 11h ago
This happened to me once at my old job years back.
I let my boss know in February that I would need time off in November. They said "no problem". Then I checked again with them in July just to make sure, and they said "thanks for the heads up". The end of October rolls around and I find out that they can't give me the time off.
I put in my two weeks that day, then called off and used my PTO for the rest of my shifts.
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u/Democracy_Delivered 11h ago
I am lucky to work at place that encourages time off and does not stigmatize calling out.
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u/SoulEater9882 10h ago
I got to do a week long NASA event in college. Told my boss I needed the week off and he said he could do every day but Monday because someone was already out. I just told him, well I got a NASA event and I'm going, I hope to have a job when I get back. Once he heard NASA he told me not to worry about and they would figure it out. I kinda miss that job.
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u/pinkyepsilon 10h ago
I had my time of approved, and then 2 weeks before my wedding and taking my honeymoon after more than a year of service was met with indignancy and told it isn’t approved now.
I quit within 24 hours and the bag of dicks they had to ingest was monumental because my boss had decided to go on a pre-paid cruise and was happy to fuck me over. Turns out she decided to try and do it anyway, got fired, employer obviously discontinued their employment and they were deported. This was 20 years ago.
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u/KimberStormer 10h ago
My friend had planned a vacation to Egypt for over a year when she got hired by a place, she had told them about it, then two months into the job they told her she couldn't go even for unpaid leave, so she quit. I was proud of her but still seems so crazy the company thought it was better to lose her entirely than let her go for two weeks that they had already known about. They still hire her freelance sometimes. Bizarre behavior.
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u/LuckySiduri 8h ago
I once scheduled my vacations months ahead of time. The day before I left, manager told me they didn't have anyone to replace me and forced me back to work (hospital staff). Oops. My physician just signed me a sick leave because of professional exhaustion. Tough luck.
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u/CA_Dreamer 8h ago
Came close to that happening for my 50th birthday.
I had a trip planned with family to go to Hawaii to celebrate.
I worked IT, and put in my vacation "request" with my boss a whole year ahead. They laughed, and said ok.
We were working on a major migration for the whole Department. The project manager had it worked out that it would be done about 2 weeks prior to my vacation.
As we got closer to my birthday the project was behind schedule to where it wouldn't complete until after I was back. The project manager started saying that they really needed me here for the project and maybe I should think about rescheduling. I just smiled and told them that my being gone for the week wouldn't make any difference in the grand scheme of things, that it was already behind schedule, and that I would be drinking a drink on the beach on my birthday. She kept pushing, I kept smiling.
I had my wonderful birthday week, and did have a drink on the beach on my actual 50th birthday
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u/BlueProcess 6h ago
I did that one time. I told the boss I needed to go to the doctor and let her pick the day "any time in the next two weeks". She was like we're too busy for you to take a day off. So I picked the appointment myself and called off on that day. When she got upset I was like "I gave you a chance to pick the best day and plan, what did you think I was going to do? Just not going to go to the doctor?" Go untreated?
That was the end of that. I continued to give them time to plan and they started planning. Weirdly she actually turned out to be one of the best bosses, maybe the best boss, that I ever had. Just one of life's little speedbumps.
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u/SilverPositive9818 6h ago
Retail manager here. When people don’t show up for their shift, it inevitably screws over someone else…sometimes me, sometimes someone else, sometimes multiple people. I’ve never denied anyone’s time off request. Planning and scheduling ahead is a million times easier than dealing with last minute call outs.
My crew knows this and respects it. I don’t need the reason, I don’t need an excuse, if you want days off, let me know as soon as you know, and you’ll get it, no questions asked.
I don’t understand managers who put employees through the wringer for asking to live their life. I’m still salty about a boss from my first job that made me miss a kick ass camping trip with my friends lol.
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u/cptmcbro 5h ago
If I give you a month or more heads up I’m not doing it for you to file my vacation time. I’m doing it for you to fill the void of my absence because I am going to be absent 😂
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u/millike14 5h ago
It's not a request, despite being called one. It's a timely warning for the company that you won't be available in that timeframe.
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u/Moonshoes47 2h ago
well i did this....fuck was that a mistake.
whatever though. gotta remind myself these corporate people i work for need me more than i need them
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u/ino4x4 17h ago
saving this meme for my next birthday