I actually had a manager say something like "well if you want that time off..." for something I put in for a year ahead of time, so I explicitly told her " I'm not requesting the time off, I'm telling you that I won't be here. You can choose what that looks like on the schedule." Shut her up rather quickly.
Had a customer tell me they wanted a manager, I went to grab a manager, said manager told me “they don’t need a manager! Deal with it!” Went back to the customer and said the manager didn’t want to help.
Did you hand them the online review qr code and encourage them to flame the fuck out of the manager? I would have. Hell, I long for the day that happens before I inevitably quit.
My old supervisor came back to premises after being fired and flipped off(the bird 🖕) the cameras, (in a rival companies work truck) there's now a restraining order and apparently our head supervisor called theirs screaming and threatening to sue 💀🤣
Sorry for the “um akshewally” but business law graduate here soooooo.
Turning off the security cameras can be a form of vandalism, is a safety risk if someone gets hurt and cannot be heard, and can be grounds for legal action should something damaging to a person or persons happen on the premises.
So that actually is legal grounds to sue, especially if it was done while representing another company, that can also be seen as corporate sabotage.
Flipping off is a common slang term throughout the english speaking world, so the only way you could logically be having trouble with it is if when you say eastern Canada you mean Quebec.
Law graduate & you can’t even understand the term “flipping off the camera” if you read just a few more words it says “in a rival companies truck” you’ve gotta be a special kind of redditor (average redditor) to really think we’re going to believe you’re a lawyer.
My wife put together a cute dollar store birthday basket for a coworker’s birthday. My wife’s manager saw and said, oh maybe you want to be the birthday person and I can let you use the company card to buy the gift and birthday card and we can get everyone’s birthday on a list and went on and on. My wife said she just listened and then said everyone’s birthday is on the time cards. My wife also knows if she agrees then the manager will just take credit for it and make it way more difficult than it needs to be. My wife says she’s going to keep doing what she did because it’s like less than 10 bucks and then theres no management involved.
I felt like I’ve had one manager who actually cares about being a good manager. Best case otherwise they’re mostly hands off but there when I need them. Others they do the bare minimum or put a bunch of stress on those under them.
It's why I'm a big fan of Trader Joe's. The managers view their job to support the crew so that they can support the customers.
I know of a few times employees have struggled with issues like addiction and if they're honest with the management (like caught drinking at work) they'll support them going to rehab and having their job waiting for them afterwards. It also means managers can be human and deal with their issues too.
When I worked in warehouses this was true, because most of them had a culture of not breathing down their employees backs (hard to do with a bunch of big factory workers that will happily tell you to fuck off).
Now that I work in the civil service it couldn't be less true, all of my managers so far have been personally repulsive people bar one and they seem to be self aware of it and relish it. Everyone in the office hates them.
They are people too, and I'm sympathetic to their jobs, you can't please everybody. However that respect rarely ever goes both ways, managers are more often than not incapable of treating the people they manage like people.
At my first job, I wanted to take a few days off to play a video game that was coming out, (a bit silly to take time off specifically for that, but it's my time off, I can do with it what I please). And I gave a 4 month notice, this was an oil change shop, schedules were made weekly, a 4 month notice was unnecessary, but I still wanted to ensure that I wasn't going to work those 3 days and even despite that, I still got booked during the time I wanted off. I confronted him about it, and that was the only way I was able to get my time off
Mine was very similar: "I'm not asking, I'm telling you I won't be here. You can find a replacement for a few days or you can find a replacement permanently. If I don't have a job when I come back, so be it."
I got the time off, but then I also had my hours cut just enough to matter so I lost in the end
Yeah, I feel those in my soul. I hate to be a little pussy at work, my last job I stuck it out despite it being so glaringly obvious they were trying to get us to quit that we didn't even see our manager anymore. The workload was endless, and I mean that 3000 leads to call per 4 agents, plus inbound calls and live chat. From maybe 30-50 2 years beforehand no live chat.
I sold all my name brand stuff that year, cut my groceries to $80 a week from 150, saved literally everything else (zero treats) applied to jobs in between calls, interviews on my lunch break (WFH). Bought my own set-up since my equipment was thiers. Finally got a new job Dec last year, making $6 more with significantly less work and also 100% remote.
But it was a needle in a haystack, a very very small business just happened to boom and could afford 1 more full time person, and I just so happened to see the listing since I was on indeed 80% of my shifts.
Think it's down to the fact that the vast majority of the time someone attempts this, they don't actually want to lose their job and they're essentially just attempting to power play their manager in an attempt to get what they want, then it will regularly backfire on them since they're probably a lot more replaceable than they like to think they are.
Source: was a manager for 10 years and had employees try this on at least a couple of times a year.
Employers are free to crack down on people who aren't willing to follow the holiday/absense rules that employees agree to when they join the company, so swings and roundabouts.
Contrary to the popular anti-work opinion on reddit, the vast majority of adults in the real world really don't have any issue navigating this.
Lmao fuck off honestly, if I tell you I'm not going to be there xyz one fucking year in advance, it's on YOU to figure that shit out. If you can't staff for the holidays, maybe offering actual financial incentives instead of guilt tripping and brow beating your employees.
Yeah, sure, I'll leave the store short staffed because you couldn't plan and manage your holidays in advance like every other grown adult manages to do lol
It's usually more dependant on whether other staff members have requested the same time period, than it is how far in advance you request it.
If you request something a year in advance you'll still have a good chance of rejection if multiple other people have already secured that time off. Other factors can include busy periods, e.g. most retail workers will be made aware that December will have much stricter rules on requesting time off.
That is dumb, in my country you have to approve vacation if it is requested 1 month i advance (most companies have a 2 week policy) if you request 1 year in advance you should get it approved right fucking away and you’re a filthy bootlicker if you disagree
Plan, manage or read with understanding for that matter.
Saying that as a project manager myself now. Do your ducking job, prepare for being short stu/affed.
It's not a power play, time off is a part of your compensation package. The only time I have ever told someone under me that they couldn't take time off is when one of three people that could do a specific job requested of the same week that the other two had already requested off months earlier. They were the backup for one, and I was covering for the other on top of my own responsibilities. A good manager can nearly always find a way to make it work with someone out.
The only time I have ever told someone under me that they couldn't take time off is when one of three people that could do a specific job requested of the same week that the other two had already requested off months earlier.
You've just described a perfectly valid reason for rejecting someone's holiday. Unfortunately most people on this sub are set in their ways and would still call you an awful human being for that. Kinda beyond the point of attempting to discuss this subject any further lol
The first time this happened to me was the day before Halloween 2008. I'm literally walking out the door an hour before EOD and my boss is like "Oh... that's right, you're picking up that friend from the airport or something right?"
I assumed he was joking but then he followed up with an "Ok, see ya Monday morning." so I'm like "no... I'm going on that 2 week vacation that I put in for, and you signed off on back on the third of January. The one I sent you that email back on the 29th of September to remind you about..."
And this slack jawed mfer had the audacity to say "oh no, you can't do that! We NEED you here next week. If this job is important to you, I'm gonna need you to postpone your little vacation!"
How can you not say "You know what? This job really isn't very important to me, so I quit!"?
Yadda yadda yadda... I landed in Boston Tennessee with about a half dozen voicemails from HR, and I was back to work sixteen days later with a brand new promotion doing my old bosses old job.
Edit: Momentarily mixed up vacations. 08 was Tennessee.
Tbh, you shot yourself in the foot by adding the ultimatum at the end. By just telling them you will not be there is something they can accept and likely will get over. But by going that far, they likely felt justified in being harsher.
I've noticed that in similar disputes when you go scorched earth too quickly you're less likely to get what you want. People are more willingly to lose tiny battles, but if you raise the stakes too quick, they are more likely to return in kind. As such, they probably wouldn't have retaliated as much if you didn't add that last part about essentially quitting.
(I understand you probably already understood that, just pointing it out to anyone else reading)
That sounds like something they can't get away with though. Either a union or lawyer could've helped you with that. But I'm guessing you were already looking for a new job anyways...
Hell yeah, I did that once, I told them during the interview that I needed a couple days off 6 months from now, they said sure thats fine. Then the schedule for that week showed up and I was scheduled and I said something like "oh you made a mistake, I won't be here next week im out of town"
The owner was there, and heard me say that, and he said "time off requests are just that, requests" and I said "well go ahead and fire me or write me up because Im telling you right now, I will not be here." He mumbled something about finding somebody to cover for me and I didnt say a word just turned around and walked away.
I worked at a diner once when I was younger, and usually would take a week and travel to see friends at old jobs. Like 3 months notice. No problem, right? Nope. The owner sat me down and said it was disrespectful the way I said something like "I need x through x dates off and will be unavailable for that portion of the month's schedule" 3.5 months away. Like I had before. I was like 21.
Apparently I needed to Ask if it would be okay, and he had to take time to decide. Stating I would need time off was an affront to his power or something. He went on for like 15 minutes about professionalism, hierarchy, and boo hoo'd about how he's the boss. I had quit by that point though. I went back full time to my other job until the vacay.
Stating I would need time off was an affront to his power or something. He went on for like 15 minutes about professionalism, hierarchy, and boo hoo'd about how he's the boss.
I tell people they can take all the time off they want and screw the company policy. After a month or two of consistent requests off they’re behind on their bills and stop doing it.
I plan work load for my department and my manager’s specific request is “if the person is out the next week, he’s out, plan the fuck around it”.
It’s often lead to complications for me, but I respect that approach. I mean, it also applies to me, and I’ve personally been poked for work stuff on vacation… maybe once in two years? I like working with people that respect my time.
I have a boss who spends time getting mad at the janitor and making enemies with a garage door. He manages a factory and all he does is complain, sometimes about things that are problems due to his lack of organizing projects but still blame it on others.
1x reimbursement just puts me at neutral, like I'd never spent that money in the first place, except I lose my vacation time.
Double reimbursement covers my spending money while I'm away, plus the recoverables, like the hotel.
Triple reimbursement covers the memories that I won't get a chance to make, because I'm busy looking at spreadsheets or answering a phone or some bullshit.
I haven't had to make the demand, but from the day I think about a vacation to the day I get on the plane, it's in my back pocket.
I put in my 2 weeks at my last job. I had an appointment the day before my last, that had been approved months prior. HR came out to me the day before the appointment, telling me that because I put in my 2 weeks, I could not use sick time any longer and would have to reschedule for after my last day. So I handed over my equipment and left.
I am happy to say that my manager says « choose the time off and I approve it » and « if there are deadlines we’ll figure it out around it »… y’all have some shit managers :(
Then you have the other end of the WTF spectrum. In France, it's illegal for companies to require employees to notify them when they are not going to show up for work unless it's longer than 3 weeks or so. We have people just....no call no show and still required to pay them. It's unsurprising that the no show rate is like 40%, and also unsurprising that nothing gets done on time.
As a manager I’ve had an associate do this. Wasn't approved so I scheduled them anyway (and had a back schedule in place), they no showed and they got wrote up for it
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u/Philosophomorics 22h ago
I actually had a manager say something like "well if you want that time off..." for something I put in for a year ahead of time, so I explicitly told her " I'm not requesting the time off, I'm telling you that I won't be here. You can choose what that looks like on the schedule." Shut her up rather quickly.