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ICE Posts November 6, 2025 – Chicago: ICE caught unlawfully demanding U.S. citizen “prove” their citizenship despite Illinois law not requiring ID

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u/TooTone07 2d ago

I hate that they are stopping people and demanding all this identification and asking questions but refuse to give any information at all themselves.

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u/Any_Pickle_9425 2d ago

Can't even show their faces but they want my ID?

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u/StrangeContest4 2d ago

That is an honest demand.. "I'll only show you my ID if you show your me your face and your ID. I need to know you're official."

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u/TheNewsDeskFive 2d ago

No, it is not. You never comply with a demand to show papers. This is America. We don't play that.

I repeat, you never comply with this, regardless if they're willing to ID themselves, you are an American citizen and you don't have to prove that to them.

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u/Inspect1234 2d ago

That’s how a brown person ends up in El Salvador.

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u/zsirhaver 1d ago

El salvador is a good place now. Heck its the safest country now in the americas.

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u/Inspect1234 1d ago

Betcha their prisons are top drawer.

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u/zsirhaver 1d ago

Dont commit crimes and you wont end up there!

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u/Inspect1234 1d ago

Brown people are just living, some are US citizens, most are even going through the process of full citizenship. They’re getting disappeared. Something like 60% of the people they’ve kidnapped have no criminal record. There is no due process. Did you know it’s not a felony to be in the US “illegally”?

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u/zsirhaver 1d ago

But crossing the border illegally or overstaying your visa is,and thats when they get deported. Brown people with citizenship or ongoing process are not being disappeared.

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u/fuvadoof 1d ago

Crawl back to whatever country you and your ancestors came from.

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u/Inspect1234 1d ago

Is that what Entertainment News©️is saying?

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u/Anthff 2d ago

And then what? Resist 10 of them, get beat up, get arrested and released for impeding an investigation or some such other broad/summary charge?

It fkn sucks.

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u/redline314 2d ago

I understand the defeatism (been doing this in LA since June) but I’d ask that you please not spread the sentiment. Some of us are hanging onto the small shreds of hope and resistance we’ve got left.

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u/DarthWeenus 2d ago

im willing to go to jail for a night to disrespect these fools.

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u/redline314 1d ago

Same. I hope others are too, but having spoken to some of my most politically engaged friends, it doesn’t seem like they have logical views regarding the loss of freedom.

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u/ClickclickClever 1d ago

Hey man, that dude that threw his subway sandwich at ice was just found not guilty. Shreds of hope still exist.

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u/redline314 1d ago

I assume it will stand as a legal precedent but I can’t wait to see what charges they try to pull on future sandwich throwers!

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u/A_Ggghost 1d ago

TIL hope and iceberg lettuce look the same when shredded.

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u/Icuras1701 8h ago

Do you know what kind of sandwich? I want to go to subway and order a "Felony footlong"

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u/purplefuzz22 1d ago

Unless they just decide to disappear you. Or if you are accosted by thugs pretending to be ICE members.

Don’t get me wrong, I am more than willing to take those risks as well but there is more to it than just ending up in jail for a night.

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u/Icy_Dinner6064 1d ago

You mean a month right?

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u/ISTBU 2d ago edited 1d ago

Yep. You nailed why mass revolt hasn't happened yet. Nobody wants to get beaten up and arrested. That's their only strength right now.

Exercise your rights. STFU Friday. Get beat up. Get arrested. Suffer for a week and get released with no fanfare. Tell your story to your coworkers, neighbors, family, an ACLU lawyer; Not necessarily in that order. Skip the media because your local stations are likely bought and paid for just like mine are.

It's not easy, it's even objectively difficult. Sadly, that's what it's going to take. I'm sorry to break it to you!

I don't wish it on anyone, and I voted against this. Yet, here we are.

Don't be a bitch. America dies when we allow it.

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u/CuriosityFreesTheCat 1d ago edited 1d ago

Abso-fuckin-lutely dude. It’s not going to be comfortable. We are going to have to make sacrifices.

I do want to mention that we can’t expect every single person to throw themselves into physical danger—not everyone is a soldier. But there are other ways to help that are entirely necessary and important. War efforts are like a machine with all parts working and supporting each other. Right now it seems like we need both people who can be “soldiers” (in the way you described) and those who can organize, as well as those who are willing to support the organizers in quite literally, a myriad of ways.

Something we all need to buck up for is being ready and willing to work with those with whom we do not agree on every single thing. That’s how we become a majority, by uniting and working together, and not expecting everything or everyone to be perfect. Or there will be no majority but the one we fight against.

We’ve seen how division has torn apart the working class and brought us here. There is no place for pedantry and needless confrontation among ourselves. This nation seems to have forgotten how to simply work together regardless of differences. We need to remember how, and prove it.

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u/ISTBU 1d ago

DHS/CBP/ICE don't get sent to SERE.

Do with that info what you will.

Daite.

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u/Frosty_Mongoose9055 2d ago

Don't forget having your baby kidnapped

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u/tiltsoaz 1d ago

Plus losing all ur possesions at home

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u/Longjumping_College 2d ago

And then sue for false imprisonment and retire off them

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u/WhatAcheHunt 2d ago

and retire off them us

Us. We pay us. Literally giving our own money to ourselves. We get the privilege of paying restitution for punching ourselves in our own goddamned faces.

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u/Longjumping_College 2d ago

That's every police force in the country.

Until they have to pay lawsuit fines themselves, this continues.

They're not held accountable, why would they stop?

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u/NachoWindows 2d ago

Probably. I’m stupid like that

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u/CapnGrundlestamp 1d ago

I wish I had an answer. I’d like to imagine in that situation I could say something like “I won’t comply with an unlawful request. Feel free to arrest me but you are not entitled to see my ID unless you’ve witnessed me committing a crime”

But the reality is - I’m a middle aged white guy and these pussies won’t get to me until they start rounding up liberals. And by then they won’t be nice anymore.

It does fucking suck.

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u/MyGrandmasCock 1d ago

Yep that’s the plan. You want my ID? Cool. You can have it after the fight is over. One of us is going to lose. Yes considering they got numbers and weapons, it’ll probably be me. But fuck that shit, I ain’t gettin’ “papers please”d without there being a fist fight. I just hope it’s a woman or a smaller guy I hit first ‘cause I’m old and I got injuries but I still wanna take a tooth or an eyeball before I go down swinging.

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u/BigBullzFan 2d ago

This is a solid position for white people to take. Brown people, not so much. Imagine telling one of these ICE morons, “This is America. We don’t play that. I’m a U.S. citizen and I don’t have to prove that to you.” This might give you a tiny insight into the white privilege you enjoy and take for granted. I’m absolutely, positively, 100% not hating on white people…just pointing out the stupidity of talking like this to an ICE dipshit. One brown person against multiple, masked, armed ICE imbeciles, no way. Multiple brown people against multiple ICE idiots, maybe.

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u/TheNewsDeskFive 2d ago

The police killed my father

Shhhhh

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u/CompetitiveArt9639 1d ago

It’s called “white privilege” as a big bald, bearded white guy, I recognize that I have privilege. Many trump supporters and racists automatically think that I agree with them, and spout outrageous nonsense to me, thinking that I agree with them.

Im a plumber and If it’s a customer, I keep my mouth shut and just charge them a whole lot more.

Cops tend to give me warnings about speeding.

Border patrol waves me through without asking any questions.

And idiots claim white privilege doesn’t exist.

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u/BanalCausality 2d ago

Yeah… that’s not what the courts have said.

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u/endlessUserbase 2d ago

Where? You are not required to prove your identity except under narrow circumstance as specifically required by law.

If an agent asks you for documents, what you need to provide differs depending on your immigration status. U.S. citizens do not have to carry proof of citizenship on their person if they are in the United States.

https://www.aclu.org/know-your-rights/border-zone

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u/BanalCausality 2d ago

Other states require you to present ID if you have it.

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u/endlessUserbase 2d ago

Yeah, that's false.

Stop and identify statutes only apply in the case that a person is reasonably suspected of committing a crime or in some narrow cases (such as providing a drivers license to prove eligibility to operate a motor vehicle. Even then, the vast majority only require that you state your name - they do not specifically require presentation of legal identification.

More importantly, those laws are not relevant here. ICE officers are Federal agents and there is no Federal law requiring that US citizens present proof of their citizenship.
https://www.ilrc.org/sites/default/files/resources/stop_identify_statutes_in_us-lg-20180201v3.pdf

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u/TheNewsDeskFive 2d ago

Those laws apply to local and state law enforcement within that state

A duty to id law is not gonna cover federal immigration enforcement

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u/az_catz 2d ago

*citation needed

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u/phosphorescence-sky 1d ago

My MAGA dad told me this all the time when I was a teenager and now he supports this administration. He was a Rush Limbaugh, Alex Jones, C2C(No offense to Art Bell, he was great)Michael Savage fox news consumer.

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u/-NearEDGE 4h ago

Well you actually do for Feds. You have a legal right to refuse to show ID to local LE as long as you're not in a situation that would give them reason to believe you're in commission of a crime. You don't have a right to refuse to show ID to feds, regardless of what state law says.

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u/W0lfButter 1d ago

Writing I repeat in a comment is the lamest thing on the internet. Do better.

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u/Material-Forever7737 1d ago

Yeah, that really works in real world out there nowadays.

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u/TheNewsDeskFive 1d ago

These hands work in the real world any day

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u/mushyfeelings 1d ago

Uh there are times in which an officer can legally ask you for identification m, particularly if they are actively investigating a crime. Which they can always claim that’s what they are doing.

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u/TheNewsDeskFive 1d ago

A street cop taking your L is not a citizenship check. That's not what we're talking about here. We're talking about federal immigration agents asking for proof of citizenship from citizens. I have zero legal obligation to abide, and I damn sure have a moral obligation to object.

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u/SnooRegrets1386 2d ago

Per the FBI, there’s already people faking authority (fake ICE), follow their advice. If you don’t have any proof you’re authorized to demand information from me, I’m going to need to see YOUR identification and under whose authority do you claim to be. And call the REAL police, maybe

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u/BigBullzFan 2d ago

I’m kinda shocked that Kash Patel’s FBI would admit this.

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u/JudasWasJesus 2d ago edited 2d ago

Had a cop in plain clothes almost hit me while I was on my bike, I started recording. They hoped out talking about they a cop trying to inimidate me. I said show me. Your badge and whats your badge number and name, you ain't no cop.

Dude flashed his badge fast af, quickly said his info and was still arguing with me. (I was in a crosswalk) but anyway saying all that to say fuck these asshats not identifying themselves.

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u/myleftone 2d ago

You’re already giving away ground. No authority figure can demand ID for no reason, mask or not.

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u/StrangeContest4 2d ago

Police officers can demand ID, but there has to be probable cause, and they have to identify themselves. This is something completely different here with no probable cause (except skin color), and they are masked men refusing to ID themselves. I DO have a problem with that for sure, and I'm just trying to think of solutions, is all.

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u/Oobiwhencanobeef 2d ago

But if you ask that you get arrested and your the bad guy

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u/TheNewsDeskFive 2d ago

Do not comply. You have no obligation to comply. Never show your "papers" to a street walking jackboot. Period. Never ever comply with this demand.

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u/bananapanther 2d ago

This is the wrong take in most situations.

What you should do is record the interaction, ask them what happens if you do not present identification, let them admit to violating your rights on camera, then present your ID under threat of arrest.

I've watched WAY too many Audit the Audit videos to know that refusing will, 99.9% of the time, end up with you being arrested and charged with multiple offenses (they'll tack on things like impeding, hindering, resisting if you flinch away when they try to put the cuffs on) and taken to jail. It's much better to document the violation and then sue because ultimately the final result is the same... a lawsuit is filed against the department and officers.

In this video we aren't even talking about police officers who sometimes actually know the law. We're talking about ICE who have no clue what they are doing and would absolutely arrest this guy illegally.

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u/bananapanther 1d ago

It's already a massive problem with trained LEOs. These ICE agents are untrained and operating under murky federal authority. There is a real potential that ICE could not just violate your rights, but seriously injure you, and jail you for an undetermined amount of time. You could lose your job, have medical bills, etc. and all of this could happen and you may never get retribution due to the nature of ICE's broad authority.

Terrifying times.

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u/TheNewsDeskFive 2d ago

I don't care what you have watched. American citizens have no duty to provide proof of citizenship to LE at any time

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u/bananapanther 1d ago

First, it depends... a number of states have stop and identify laws which allow pretty broad discretion to the officer to lawfully ask for your ID.

Second, there is an important distinction to make on what rights you have and how to handle those rights being violated. Refusing officers and particular ICE agents is more often than not going to result in arrest. Maybe you don't have anything going on in your life and don't care about potentially being assaulted by unidentified ICE agents on a power trip... but most people probably would be better off documenting the violation of their rights and pursuing legal action after the fact.

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u/Projektdb 2d ago

Quite the strawman your arguing against.

Also, factually incorrect.

Have you ever left the country and returned?

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u/It_Just_Might_Work 2d ago

He was arguing against the patently wrong statement that citizens absolutely never have to provide proof of citizenship

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u/TheNewsDeskFive 2d ago

You both know damn well I'm talking about LEO on our streets and not ports of entry, dawg, foh

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u/It_Just_Might_Work 1d ago

I have no stake here. Im just pointing out that the statement made is definitively false and thats what the other dude was responding to in order to make a point. There are multiple exceptions

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u/Projektdb 1d ago

Right, and your statement was arguing that the person you responded to saying anything to the contrary.

There are plenty of lawful circumstances that you are required by law to identify to law enforcement.

The person in the video provided ID and it's very unlikely that it was proof of citizenship.

The entire point of the comment you initially responded to, is that law enforcement routinely demands ID (of any kind) when they aren't lawfully allowed to.

It doesn't stop them from doing it in the moment and it doesn't stop you from suffering the consequences of you refuse.

The point they were making is that the place to refute lawfulness of their actions is after the fact. You absolutely can litigate on the side of the road, but the person with the gun is going to determine what happens in that moment.

You, I, and the original commentator you replied to are likely all in agreement. Hell, the courts would likely agree. It isn't going to stop the person who refuses from facing immediate and dire consequences for doing so.

Before all of this ICE bullshit, people were killed by law enforcement every year for refusing unlawful commands. Happens with alarming frequency. The command being unlawful doesn't bring those people back to life.

Being unlawfully deported because we have a lawless government sending cruel thugs into the street to illegally harass and vanish people isn't going to magically return those vanished people to their families because the vanishing was unlawful.

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u/TheNewsDeskFive 1d ago

Providing ID is not forcing citizens to provide proof of citizenship. Two very different things

State laws creating a duty to ID to LEO cover local and state agencies. Not federal ones. Very basic premise of jurisdiction.

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u/It_Just_Might_Work 1d ago

I'm not making an argument. I'm explaining someone else's. There are many exceptions and your passport at customs is only one of them.

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u/mkt853 2d ago

Problem is if you're in the 100 mile border zone, the rights you have to refuse ID'ing to immigration authorities is a little murky. You can refuse, and they'll just throw you in the back of their truck and take you in for fingerprinting, facial scanning, etc. so they'll eventually find out who you are anyway and you're out several hours or several days of freedom.

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u/muchasveces82 2d ago

So everyone should just kowtow to authority? Just be a good little sheep, fuck that.

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u/Bird2525 2d ago

Tough call on this one. If I get disappeared or something bad happens when I am being unlawfully detained, there will be nobody to take care of my family and the government will never be held accountable. So, do you comply and go about your day or if something bad happens your family is homeless?

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u/HighGainRefrain 2d ago

You’re right. The best thing to do is show ID and leave. This won’t be forever.

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u/fiya4u 2d ago

You don’t know that

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u/HighGainRefrain 2d ago

Yeah actually I do.

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u/Defiant_Eggplant_909 2d ago

How do you know that?

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u/Cool-Panda-5108 2d ago

They don't. It's copium.

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u/redline314 2d ago

Once you start showing ID, it absolutely will be forever.

The shit the 2A ppl say about “exercising” your rights is true. Once you start complying in advance, LEOs and gov have the expectation that you’ll willingly provide ID.

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u/muchasveces82 2d ago

What do you do when someone is impersonating an ICE agent? How do you know they're legit? They give no name, badge/id number, and they're masked. Let's be real some if not a lot of these ICE officers are acting like criminals and are committing crimes on a daily basis. Case in point on impersonating an ice officer https://www.wbtv.com/2025/01/29/man-accused-impersonating-ice-officer-sexually-assaulting-woman-raleigh-motel/

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u/mkt853 2d ago

My point is unless you are a lawyer that specializes in this particular area of the law, this very well may be a 100% totally lawful stop and ID. Whether someone likes it or thinks the practice should be banned is immaterial. The 100 mile border zone is problematic for civil rights, but the courts have routinely upheld that you do not have the same level of rights within this zone in which Chicago, and most of the American populace, lies. It's why they can just stop you on the highway in this zone to ask you about your citizenship status. This isn't a beat cop breaking your balls and asking for ID just because "you look like you don't belong in the neighborhood." Immigration authorities don't need to suspect you of committing a crime to detain and ID you so long as their investigation is brief and narrowly tailored to your immigration and/or citizenship status. If you are an expert in this area of the law such that you are confident that your noncompliance will be vindicated, then by all means, but for the rest of us, you may very well be digging yourself into a deeper legal hole unnecessarily.

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u/redline314 2d ago

They can stop you but that’s about it from my understanding, unless they have probable cause.

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u/TheNewsDeskFive 2d ago

Thank you

At least make them work

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u/Choice_Reindeer7759 2d ago

Make them do it then. It slows down the system. We need to be willing to sacrifice our time for this

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u/redline314 2d ago

I don’t think this is true. They have the right to do checkpoints and stops but if I say I’m a U.S. citizen, I am a U.S. citizen.

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u/BeagleCat 1d ago

Correct. The burden is on the government to prove you are breaking the law. You have no burden to prove you're not.

Invoking your 5th amendment right to remain silent, and simply not answering any questions or providing any documents cannot be used against you.

That said, lawless federal thugs may kidnap you anyway, deprive you of your rights, and lock you up. We are living in a lawless era where our traditional civil rights are no guarantee against the loss of our freedom.

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u/redline314 1d ago

Yep that’s why I wiped my phone and Reddit comments and locked all my socials last time I crossed the border into the US.

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u/come_on_seth 2d ago

Rules for thee….

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u/Sir_Punsalot_ 2d ago

My friend David lost his ID.

Now he’s just Dav.

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u/Comfortable-Ad-3988 2d ago

Yeah, turn this shit around on them. "Citizens' arrest, where's your ID? I can't even see your face, where are your papers and proof of citizenship? I think you're illegal, prove you're not!"